The Bridge

10:18 AM

@MBraedley You'll actually still be able to dial 7 digits until November. Right now dialing 7-digits will just give you a warning that you need to dial 10.

@Frank Bad? Dude, that was brilliant.

I'm so proud of you.

fredley

@Wipqozn @Flu is 28/Pony, I don't think that image is appropriate

Better:

Wipqozn

@fredley It's appropriate given @Sterno is, like, a million years old.

fredley

@Wipqozn Relative age difference doesn't come into it

Wipqozn

10:44 AM

Age of Wonders 3 Expansions Announced. Release date of September 18th, 2014

cc @Arperum @I'mNotSureWhoElse

@fredley It does now, just for the sake of my joke

fredley

@Wipqozn Your jokes are bad, and you should feel bad

Wipqozn

@fredley You're just jealous.

I personally think the expansions is a little underwhelming.

Sterno

I think your face is underwhelming.

FEichinger

You do realize you're just setting up for a "Your mum was underwhelming last night!" joke there, right?

Just thought I'd point that out before we get there.

Sterno

No one can stop "your mom" jokes. They are infinite.

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Arperum

10:51 AM

@Sterno Your mom can though, since she is also infinite.

fredley

@Arperum @Sterno's mom doesn't want to stop them though

Arperum

@fredley That's what she said.

Wipqozn

@Sterno Your mom is infinite!

OH BUUURRRRNNN

Sterno

@Wipqozn so slow

Arperum

1 min ago, by Arperum

@Sterno Your mom can though, since she is also infinite.

Wipqozn

10:52 AM

@Sterno Sorry :(

Sterno

Just like a turtle.

Feeds

Sterno has added Wipqozn to the list of this room's owners.

Sterno

Here, have room ownership so it can be taken away as punishment later.

Wipqozn

Also, one of our five featured articles today for the news site I work for is about a Moose Sex Project.

2

Sterno

That starred scifi question... ugh.

MBraedley

10:53 AM

@Wipqozn stop bringing up my mistakes and let me be bitter

Wipqozn

@MBraedley No. I refuse.

Arperum

@Wipqozn I assume the other articles are also about Moose?

Wipqozn

@Arperum Obviously, jeez. I am Canadian. All of our top stories are about Moose.

Well, moose and hockey.

Sterno

0118999881999119725... 3

Wipqozn

@Sterno I keep meaning to watch that show.

FEichinger

10:56 AM

@Wipqozn The Moose Sex Project wouldn't happen to involve hockey sticks, would it?

God, I hate where my mind is going ...

Sterno

@Wipqozn I'm mixed on it. It has a few good bits but quite a few boring ones too.

MBraedley

You know you're not awake when you've forgotten you took your watch off to take a shower.

Sterno

@MBraedley You know you're @OrigamiRobot if you can't remember if you washed your hair.

Wipqozn

@MBraedley You should probably just go back to bed.

@Sterno It's funny because that's what happens to him.

Arperum

@FEichinger I hate you for making my mind make the same fucked up drive through hell.

MBraedley

10:58 AM

@Wipqozn I wish I could. Need to get a lot of work done today.

FEichinger

@Arperum ♥

Wipqozn

@FEichinger Nah, it's just about protecting some land to make it easier for Moose to do whatever it is Moose do, including moosing other moose to make baby moose.

Sterno

I think this is relevant to today's conversations

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FEichinger

@Sterno ... Dammit.

Lazers

0

Q: When should i buy Sword of the Occult or Mejai's Soulstealer?

Both items are great when they have some stacks, but when you buy them they have 0 stacks and are not really gold efficient. Sword of the Occult is 30% gold efficient with no stacks. Its gold efficiency increases by 15% per stack, becoming gold efficient at five stacks and reaching 404.3% gold ...

league-of-legends

Sterno

11:01 AM

Wipqozn

@Sterno You know, as I was in the process of clicking it I thought "oh fuck, it's probably a rebecca black video", but it was too late. I already started the clicking motion. There was no going back.

Sterno

Apparently you can tell how smart a man is by looking at him

fredley

@Sterno ~~tell~~ guess badly

Sterno

@Wipqozn It was worth waiting 6 months for

Martin Sojka

@fredley A bad guess is still better than tossing a coin.

fredley

11:03 AM

@MartinSojka orly?

Arperum

> 'The strong halo effect of attractiveness may thus prevent an accurate assessment of the intelligence of women.'

fredley

@Arperum Oh it's the Daily Mail. Disregard.

Arperum

That alone is enough to invalidate the whole "research"

fredley

DM science coverage is worse than awful

Sterno

Resting Bitch Face is like a double-whammy

FEichinger

11:04 AM

> DM ~~science~~ coverage is worse than awful

FTFY

Arperum

ALso: copying url shizzle into your copy paste is worse then Hitler

Martin Sojka

Yes, really. If I can badly ("only" 51% of the time) guess if a specific share will raise or fall, I'll make a profit.

FEichinger

@MartinSojka While that's statistically how it goes, it's not quite how the economy works.

Bad example, I'd say.

Sterno

Kickin' in the front seat Sittin' in the back seat Gotta make my mind up Which seat can I take?

Martin Sojka

There are a few hidden assumption in that (like that the amount of raising and failing will even out, that transaction fees are negligible and that you have essentially unlimited starting capital or alternatively can buy any part of a share, no matter how small), but otherwise ...

Sterno

11:17 AM

Spurious correlations might be my new favorite website.

Lazers

0

Q: no minecraft servers connecting

There are NO servers working AT ALL in minecraft. They say pinging for a while and then says can't connect to server. I tried going back to 1.7.9, nope. I tried to add a different server, nothing. The servers I'm trying to join are hypixel, Phanatic MC, and I also have a server of my own that isn...

minecraft minecraft-server

0

Q: Nintendo DS Lite glitchy screen

I have loved my DS and taken good care of it for 5 years. Nintendo consoles are build to last, that's for sure. But a few minutes ago I was playing Animal Crossing: Wild World on a flashcard [trying to be very specific so I might be able to get help]. The screen started getting all scrambled and ...

technical-issues ds hardware

MBraedley

11:33 AM

Okay coffee, do your job: wake me up

Lazers

0

Q: Will Minecraft run decent on a Mac Mini?

I am thinking about getting a Mac Mini for doing some basic tasks like typing, video editing etc. The cheapest one with 4gb of RAM seems good enough to me, but how well will it run Minecraft? I use the 1.7.2 version mainly because a private server I frequent has not updated. I have heard mixed re...

minecraft os-x performance

Wipqozn

Oh hey, it's @GraceNote. I haven't seen you here in a while. Is that because you not so secretly hate us?

Sterno

You can take @GraceNote's lack of response as "Yes, I hate you, @Wipqozn."

Probably because you never finished EOU

Wipqozn

@Sterno Yes I did!

Sterno

Including the bonus stuff?

Wipqozn

11:48 AM

I just never finished the post-game content... I'm on floor 30.

Sterno

See? You are a complete failure.

Wipqozn

Man, @GraceNote, I'm so sorry I let you down.

Grace Note

Hm?

Sterno

You might be further than me in EO3 now. I think I only got to strata 3 in that one

stratum 3?

strat* 3

Grace Note

I haven't been around because I've been nose deep in text files for over a month.

Wipqozn

11:50 AM

@Sterno that's where I am in EO3 as well. I haven't played that too much in the past week. I'm on the second floor of Strata 3.

@GraceNote Sounds either exciting or boring, depending on the subject of the text files and why you were reading them.

Sterno

Probably all about the Moose Sex Project.

Grace Note

Reading? Haaaaah

Wipqozn

@Sterno It's an important project to Canada.

@GraceNote Oh, do you mean you were literally turned into data and hung out with the fileS?

that's pretty cool.

Grace Note

Every byte that I write out is part of my very soul.

Wipqozn

That's deep.

I guess you could say it's..........NOSE Deep!

HAHAHA cc @Frank

Origami Robot

11:54 AM

That's not even a pun!

Feeds

Sterno has removed Wipqozn from the list of this room's owners.

Grace Note

Alright, to make up for Wipqozn... being Wipqozn, I'll just leave this here then. Don't even worry about anything like "understanding the lyrics".

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot No, but see, she said she was nose deep in stuff.

Grace Note

(Other than, I guess, that "Yadon" is "Slowpoke")

Wipqozn

@GraceNote I'm such a lovable scamp.

Origami Robot

11:57 AM

@Wipqozn Right, you just made up a figure of speech to reference her not-quite-as-made-up figure as speech.

I expect better from you.

I will never be less disappointed in you.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Well that's just silly.

@GraceNote That song gives me a bit of Beetlejuice vibe.

Grace Note

...I don't even know how to respond to that.

Origami Robot

@GraceNote He is referencing the song at the very end.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot See? @OrigamiRobot gets me.

Grace Note

Too bad you became an eternal disappointment to him.

Origami Robot

12:00 PM

Eternal, unkownable, eldritch disappointment.

Sterno

Winona Ryder's hair is ridiculous in that movie.

Wipqozn

@GraceNote eh, not a bad thing. I never need to worry about disappointing him less than I already have. It's a good thing, really.

Grace Note

Anyway! Writings must resume!

Origami Robot

►

Lazers

0

Q: Desmond's Family Tree Assassins Creed

Okay, so i read somewhere (cannot find the link at the moment) that Altair, Ezio and the Kenways (including Connor) are not directly related to each other except through Desmond. Is there any family tree or something to show how he is related to them? And if the Kenways are on Desmonds fathers si...

assassins-creed-series

Sterno

12:02 PM

Oh, I figured it was this one

►

Wipqozn

@Sterno It is.

I just didn't want to hurt @OrigamiRobot's feelings by saying he was wrong.

StrixVaria

@Sterno I was also thinking of that one.

Wipqozn

I just assumed everyone would be too lazy to check.

Origami Robot

My song is way better.

Rapitor

o/

Lazers

12:16 PM

0

Q: Which is the PC RPG game most similar to tabletop RPG with very high developing characters and story possibilities?

Well, first of all I haven't played RPG games for several years, so maybe now games like the ones I want are common, but it's good to ask. I mean, although PC RPG games where nice to play I always had the feeling that I never was able to develop my characters and the story as I would really want...

sanctuary-rpg

Frank

Yep. @Wipqozn's the worst.

Wipqozn

You guys are all just jealous.

Frank

Of a turtle? You wish.

Wipqozn

Oh! so my first night the weekly Netrunner night was pretty radtastic.

It;s a weekly Fantasy flight Games night, but netrunner is the most popular game played.

A lot of great guys and gals there. Got to try out my new (and first) deck. I won two games, and came really close to winning a third with it actually. Was a good first night.

I can't wait until next week. I'll probably go earlier than the start time next week, because people actually start getting there up until an hour before.

FEichinger

@Lazers ... Close vote? Really?

Wipqozn

12:25 PM

@FEichinger I don't see anything wrong with some casting a close vote on something which is going to be deleted.

not everyone is completely familiar with how the site works, and some users might think it's quicker to get it closed than it is to get it deleted (likely due to not knowing how spam flags work).

FEichinger

@Wipqozn I am confused as to what it is trying to achieve.

MBraedley

@Lazers Why are you trying to be a regular user? Did I miss something?

FEichinger

@MBraedley I'm editing out the onebox from the transcript, because phone numbers and crappy "wow gold codes".

StrixVaria

@MBraedley You missed mod abuse.

Wipqozn

@FEichinger I'm not sure, but it doesn't really hurt anything for someone to have casted a close vote.

MBraedley

12:27 PM

@FEichinger It still exists in the history of the post. Better to just remove it.

FEichinger

@Wipqozn I'm not saying it shouldn't have been cast.

@MBraedley The history is not indexed, as far as I know. Which is really my primary concern - no need to let Google see it.

Not to mention that people may want to see the post that got deleted. Imagine the mod abuse screams if I had indeed outright deleted it.

MBraedley

@FEichinger It's @Lazers, I don't think many would care too much about his posts being deleted, when appropriate.

Wipqozn

@MBraedley I don't think it's a big deal either way.

I've already seen the post, so it doesn't matter if no on else sees it, since I believe in a Wipqozn-centric universe.

All of your lives revolve around me, right?

StrixVaria

→ 1 message moved to The Android Hell: This Is The Part Where All The Robots Scream At You.

Origami Robot

12:50 PM

@Wipqozn Really?

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Yeah. Netrunner is the most popular FFG game in Halifax. I know X-WING is supposed to be popular too, but I didn't notice if anyone was there playing it last night. I was rather focused on netrunning though. There was a table of Game of Thrones the Card Game players though.

There were 14 people there for netrunner last night, with Game of Thrones LCG having 6 I think.

My zeus I hate clickbait titles. also people who click them. That cat opening doors video just showed up in my feed, from some clikcbait website with the header "He left his cat in front of the closed door. He never expected to catch this on camera!" Then why was he recording it?

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn No, X-Wing is garbage.

Wipqozn

Oh, I know, because he was expecting it and this is just stupid clickbait.

Origami Robot

I'm just surprised because there is zero chance I would pick Netrunner over something like BSG.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot A coworker of mine is really into it, but doesn't really grab me. I looked into it a bit and it caught my interest, but that only lasted for about an hour.

I like the idea of it, but it looks like it might be alittle too lacking in tactics for atactical wargame for me.

No obstacles either.

Origami Robot

12:59 PM

@Wipqozn I believe that game is fundamentally flawed in the same way, but worse, than things like Warhammer is.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot BSG meaning Battlestar Galactica?

Origami Robot

Yes

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot I liked warhammer, but it's way too damn expensive.

@OrigamiRobot The night is mostly meant for the LCG and X-WING.

Origami Robot

37 mins ago, by Wipqozn

It;s a weekly Fantasy flight Games night, but netrunner is the most popular game played.

MISLEADING

Wipqozn

In fact I think that's exactly what it's meant for, now that I tihnk about it.

LET ME CHECK

Origami Robot

1:00 PM

Anyway, I mean the unit movement in X-Wing is horrible.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot It looks super tedious.

Warhammer could be tedious too, but X-WING looks 100 times worse.

Origami Robot

There is soooo much room for human error and nudging to get the edge and ugh

Wipqozn

Although Warhammer mostly suffers from too many troops where as X-WING has a whole bunch of tools you need to move anything.

Origami Robot

The part that makes it worse than warhammer is when your ships are going to collide, you have to back the piece up over the cardboard path

Wipqozn

Nope, I was right the first time. It's for all FFG games, but people mostly just use it for their LCG and X-WING.

@OrigamiRobot Oh right, because you do movement at the same time.

Origami Robot

1:03 PM

Like, it would work great as an electronic version, but ugh

Wipqozn

They have a a tournament coming up this Sunday for Netrunne r, and the sunday after too. They seem to have a few a month.

Origami Robot

And if someone bumps the table, well, hope you had fun meticulously setting things up

Wipqozn

I might start goin to those too.

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, that's never fun.

Origami Robot

I just can't get into other TCG/LCG games. Part of it is that I'm already invested (time, knowledge, and financial-wise) in MtG. The other part is I just don't find any particularly fun.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, that's understandable.

Origami Robot

1:07 PM

Netrunner could be very fun, but the starter set just didn't give me that feeling.

Wipqozn

I only started looking around at other card games when I had the desire to get into one again, but didn't really feel like getting back into Magic. It's been years since I played, so I didn't feel any investment in it anymore.

Origami Robot

How to win: Play the virus deck.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot I've seen some people claim the starter set isn't a good representation of the game, but honestly I thought it gave a pretty solid idea.

So if you didn't like the starter set I don't think you'd like the game.

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn It did seem solid until we found the virus deck.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Thought it was too powerful?

Origami Robot

1:10 PM

Vastly.

I realize there are a lot of outside variables here, but I don't really have good justification to look into it more.

Wipqozn

Yeah, anarchs are far from OP (and are considered the weakest runner faction right now, due to a weak economy), but no reason to pick up another game to eat up your money.

Origami Robot

I also don't like the deck restrictions.

X number of card out of faction allowed

That's why I could never get into SolForge

Wipqozn

I personally like that, but I can certainly understand why it wouldn't appeal to everyone.

Especially if you come from a lot of magic where no such restrictions exist.

Origami Robot

The restrictions in Magic come from resource management, which plays into how to build a deck

Netrunner just tells you "You can't do it"

It just seems like the most uncreative way to solve the "How do we stop people from playing all the best cards in one deck?" problem

Martin Sojka

Hmm? Didn't MtG have a restriction of "not more than 4 of the same card, aside basic lands, in the deck" or something like that?

Origami Robot

1:17 PM

Yea, and I say all this, but my favorite format is one where you can only have a single copy of each non-basic land card.

StrixVaria

I think the "resource management" is one of the worst parts of Magic. Having a random percentage of your games be stupid because you got no mana or lots of mana is dumb. Yes, I know you are going to say that you have to build your deck to help cope with those situations. It's still dumb.

Origami Robot

It's not the too much vs not enough part that I think is good, that obviously sucks.

StrixVaria

I would rather focus on the strategy of the deck than having to waste slots in my deck coping with the random shuffle fucking me over.

Oh, the idea that you have limited resources to spend each turn is great, if that's what you mean.

Origami Robot

Random shuffling is going to fuck you over in some fashion in any card game like this

StrixVaria

If you always got an ideal mana draw, then Magic's mana system is really good.

But I like the idea of games that guarantee an "ideal mana draw" by just having some static resource situation for both players.

Origami Robot

1:20 PM

In VS, every card could be used as a "mana" source.

That game had a really cool resource system.

Martin Sojka

You could modify Magic for that by allowing everyone to set up two basic lands of their choice on the board before the play begins, though that might need some rebalancing.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I really like systems like this.

I played a casual variant of Magic where decks had no lands, but you could play any card face down as a land that produced any color mana.

It was obviously completely imbalanced, but it definitely solved the mana screw/flood problem.

Martin Sojka

The decks would then need fewer lands and mana-giving cards then.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria You had your resource row and non-creature cards could still be played from that row and count as mana, but you couldn't cast creatures fromt hat row

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria You might like the Game of Thrones Card Game then. From what I understand, the amount of gold you get to spend per turn (the resource) is determined by you via "Plot Cards." Basically you have a deck of 7 plot cards, and at the start of every turn you choose a card from the plot deck and use it to start your turn. The plot card determines various things about your turn, including the amount of gold you get to spend that turn.

Origami Robot

1:23 PM

But the deck I played had a bunch of creatures that got more powerful if you revealed creatures from your resource row. It was neat.

Wipqozn

It's more like having a second and special hand than another deck, since you always get to choose waht you want from it. There's no drawing or randomization aspect. once the deck runs out, you just put all the cards back in the deck.

fredley

Hospital fun level: 0

StrixVaria

@fredley I spent close to a week in hospitals over the past month. Sucked.

fredley

Especially with someone screaming in the next cubical over

@StrixVaria that sucks.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Oh right, and you live in the USA so that probably cost you a few thousand dollars.

Origami Robot

1:25 PM

I've just come to accept that not drawing the right cards will always feel bad whether it's land or not.

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn I have good insurance.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Oh right, you work for Google.

fredley

I have national insurance, yay socialism

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn The bill if I didn't have insurance was over $35,000

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I have a Legacy deck with zero lands that can win on turn 1. :D

StrixVaria

1:26 PM

The health care system in this country is completely fucked.

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Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Holy fuck.

@StrixVaria It really is.

fredley

@StrixVaria How does anyone get better?

Wipqozn

I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad.

@fredley Be rich!

only rich people deserve to be healthy. Didn't you know that?

5pike

@fredley Don't get sick

fredley

@Wipqozn Darwin approves

StrixVaria

1:27 PM

@fredley They're not allow to decline care, so you either go to collections and make payments for the rest of your life or declare bankruptcy or something if you can't afford it.

Plus if you don't have insurance the price is lower.

fredley

@StrixVaria sensible

StrixVaria

Because insurance companies collude with health providers to maximize profits for everyone.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria The important thing is healthcare is run as a business in the USA.

Because: money.

So long as the corporations are happy, so are the politicians they're paying off! yay!

fredley

@StrixVaria is it the same for pregnancy? Cos otherwise how is babby made?

Wipqozn

@fredley that's why strix was in the hospital for a week.

fredley

1:29 PM

@Wipqozn IAMA ware

Wipqozn

Maybe it's to encourage poor people from having babies, so they don't spread their poor genes.

Poor people are basically genetically inferior to rich people, right?

Origami Robot

If you don't have the "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" gene, what good are you?

fredley

@Wipqozn Darwin still approves

Wipqozn

@fredley That crazy Darwin. He's such a character.

fredley

@Wipqozn Classic Charles

Frank

1:42 PM

@StrixVaria I think it's actually higher.

Every single hospital has a chargemaster, who's only job is to attach totally arbitrary numbers to everything.

StrixVaria

@Frank You wind up paying more out of pocket due to not having insurance, but usually the hospital will cut you a break on the price because their prices are outrageous and they know it.

Frank

@StrixVaria For those that understand those prices aren't set in stone.

Insurance companies are just wise to their game and go, "Heh, no. Be serious, if you want us to pay you at all."

Martin Sojka

Every time I hear about the hospital costs of places like the USA, I'm happy to not having to care about that.

Wipqozn

@Frank I feel like @StrixVaria would have a better idea of how the hospitals in his country work than us, given we don't live there.

Frank

@Wipqozn Probably. I've read a crapton on their shady dealings, so that's what I'm basing it on.

StrixVaria

1:45 PM

@Frank That's not how it works, though. The insurance companies talk to the hospitals beforehand and agree on a price that is different from the price that the patient sees. So even though the bill I got said $35k, my insurance company is not going to have to pay that full amount.

They don't wheel and deal every time someone makes a claim.

Frank

@StrixVaria So what's the purpose in even sending you a bill?

StrixVaria

@Frank To scare you? I don't know.

Lazers

0

Q: Does my friend have to download all the mods or just me?

I want to play modded survival with my friends and I have the mods, do they have to download all of those or do I just have to have them?

minecraft mods minecraft-server

Martin Sojka

That peace of mind is not cheap, mind you. About 300€/month in my case.

Origami Robot

To show you how much "value" you're getting from the insurance.

StrixVaria

1:46 PM

I think that the insurance company still writes it off as if they had spent $35k on me even though they didn't actually need to put out that much money.

I'm sure there are tax reasons.

Powerlord

Best quote I've seen so far today:

> That's only ironic in the Alanis Morissette sense.

Wipqozn

@Frank "Looks how much money we saved you! Never cancel with us. Also, this is why public health care would be bad, becaus then all this would be coming from your taxes!"

Frank

@Wipqozn Except not really, because we charge ten to twenty times the actual cost of the item.

StrixVaria

Plus, that $35k is just hospital costs. Every physician who came in to see my wife or the baby during that time will be sending a separate bill.

Yay capitalism.

Wipqozn

@Frank Yes, that's probably why they put it so high too.

Frank

1:48 PM

@StrixVaria Well, yay insurance, anyways.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria That's completely fucked.

Frank

It'd be interesting to see if you could extract the actual amount your insurance paid, versus what you got.

Wipqozn

Every time we have a conversation about American Bridge folks hospital experiences my opinion of your health care system becomes eve worse, and it's already really bad.

StrixVaria

I am sure that number is a closely guarded secret.

LessPop_MoreFizz

HI CHAT.

Origami Robot

1:50 PM

@Wipqozn The solution is to not go to the doctor. That's what I do.

Frank

And I wonder who's doing most of the screaming about Obamacare.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot That does help ensure those non-rich genes don't get spread around!

badp

@Wipqozn but you're still going to be paying those taxes anyway!

Wipqozn

@badp but the they might not be able to put as much into the military!

Martin Sojka

@Wipqozn Given the demographics of the people who oppose free access to abortions, I don't think that argument makes sense ... But then, a lot of "those people" make no sense to me.

Frank

1:53 PM

Time to derail this conversation.

Origami Robot

I've been to the doctor maybe 2-3 times in the past 10 years.

Frank