The Bridge

@Retrosaur Badges don't signify power. If you took two seconds to understand how the site worked instead of just coming in here to troll, annoy, and berate users, you'd realize that.

Johann

this a community and you ruined it

Retrosaur

@Fluttershy I'm not talking about the badge, I'm talking about the badge as his profile pic

Johann

4:21 AM

yeah

did you see that

Retrosaur

Yes, godwin's law has been invoked

Oh no, how did I communicate between parallel universes?

Johann

he

Retrosaur

Only god knows! - Albert Fink

Fluttershy

@Retrosaur You mean the one that's making a pun out of his earning the Marshal badge on the Site? That one? The one that has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with being humorous? That the one you're talking about?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Retrosaur Yes. Yes I would.

Retrosaur

4:21 AM

@Fluttershy A pun? What

kalina

@Fluttershy yes he is

Johann

this is an alternate universe where the chatroom is exactly the same

Retrosaur

But there's an escape pod

I'm completely confused

Johann

it is a pun because marshal rhymes with peanut

you guys

jk

is the topic on here EVER about gaming

Anna Lear

@Johann yep

Johann

4:25 AM

when

Fluttershy

When it isn't forced.

2

Johann

i have been on here for a day and all of two minutes have been devoted to gaming

the other stuff was history lessons and getting banned

isnt the point of chat a place where the rules are kept less tightly

to give people more freedom

Anna Lear

@Johann I see that you're new to Arqade and this chat. You might want to give it more time (or decide that it's just not for you) before you come in here and say folks here are doing it all wrong.

kalina

@Johann around the time that games are announced/released there are usually bursts of conversations relating to them

Fluttershy

@Johann If by "other stuff" you mean when you and Retrosaur and Scootaloo pretty much destroyed chat.

kalina

4:26 AM

@Johann there are no rules that a normal person having a friendly conversation will ever break on chat.se

3

Johann

so this is basically a social desert

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina Well, maybe profanity, depending on who happens to be around and your typical vernacular.

Johann

ok i defend @Scootaloo

kalina

@Johann no, this is the most active channel on the network as far as I know, but right now a lot of people are avoiding chatting here because of the noise that has been introduced

2

Johann

well ill shut up

kalina

4:28 AM

and while that may come across as me being bitchy or unfriendly, it is borderline horrific that regulars that have chatted here for years are avoiding being here

sadly a lot of people assume I am being bitchy when I do as much as disagree with them

user20683

@kalina you don't seem bitchy to me

kalina

a few of us told you early on what you were doing wrong and you chose to ignore it, so it escalated into this

@WorldEngineer awwww <3

user20683

@kalina also I think he's left

kalina

its fine, it's perfectly normal for me to talk to myself

user20683

@kalina I generally try to do that in-person, it looks weird on the internet

kalina

4:31 AM

it's fine, it's perfectly normal for me to look weird too

FEichinger

I take it, it's quiet again?

Sheesh.

Fluttershy

@WorldEngineer You haven't been around the Bridge long enough. =P

@kalina <3

kalina

@Fluttershy <3

OrigamiRobot

@kalina is more like a lovable scamp.

user20683

@FEichinger my apologies for being hesitant. It will not happen again.

FEichinger

4:32 AM

@WorldEngineer Huh?

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot @kalina and @OrigamiRob sittin' in a tree.

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy ಠ_ಠ

user15026

@Fluttershy hahahaha

user20683

@FEichinger I should have dealt with him earlier

OrigamiRobot

I love climbing trees

FEichinger

4:33 AM

@WorldEngineer Oh, it's alright.

kalina

@WorldEngineer we're normally quite resistant to moderator intervention to be fair

FEichinger

We tried a lot of things to calm this down on its own. It didn't work, so it came to this. No biggie.

user20683

@kalina as a non-gaming mod, I was taking the cautious approach

kalina

it's all good

FEichinger

The only thing we didn't try, because it just isn't really doable is a mass-ignore.

user15026

4:34 AM

@WorldEngineer same

FEichinger

Ignore is great on a personal level, but for people being obnoxious like hell to everyone, it just doesn't work.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@WorldEngineer yeah, the problem is that it was an entirely social problem - he wasn't actually breaking any rules. He was just being profoundly stupid. Which... isn't something you can really ban someone for. :/

kalina

@FEichinger think @StrixVaria will disagree with you on that one, I think he put them all on ignore ages ago

StrixVaria

Ignoring people is the best.

user58869

i can't sleep

StrixVaria

4:35 AM

Amazingly, I only have 4 people on ignore right now.

kalina

@axrwkr me either, its 5-30am

FEichinger

@kalina As I said, it's great on a personal level. You don't have to watch it anymore. But it doesn't get anything done about it, which such stuff requires.

Anna Lear

@LessPop_MoreFizz If stupidity leads to being disruptive and antagonizing folks in chat, a chat suspension is totally appropriate. (Not saying that happened here, necessarily - way too much for me to even try to catch up on. But in principle.)

Fluttershy

@kalina I thought that said "answer me"

kalina

@Fluttershy lol

StrixVaria

4:36 AM

@AnnaLear He was disruptive enough that people abandoned this room and made a new one without him.

To me, that is suspension-worthy, even if he doesn't do anything explicitly against the rules.

FEichinger

@AnnaLear The thing is, if we begin applying flags to that, it comes down to "QQ they banned me because they don't like me!" That doesn't really help us here either.

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria @OrigamiRob DIDN'T EVEN SAY GOODBYE! sad

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy ಠ_ಠ

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AnnaLear Yeah, this is true, but it was hard to pinpoint a moment at which that was obviously the case. Most of the disruption came in the form of just being aggressively oblivious to the existing culture. Which - happens pretty often. Not a week goes by that we don't get a new person to wander in and try to 'start an on topic discussion' while willfully ignoring the ongoing conversation.

StrixVaria

kalina

4:37 AM

@FEichinger it's best to leave flags out of it unless a flag is required

LessPop_MoreFizz

It's not a good reason to suspend them though - usually social cues work better and they get the message soon enough, either to join the conversation that is happening or leave.

@StrixVaria I didn't think you were a goon.

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's not the only place that spammed the crap out of that gif.

Anna Lear

I don't want to be too flippant about this, but it's after midnight and it's my day off, so please forgive me.... Chat is awesome and I love it, but it's sort of like comments - a second-class SE citizen. If someone can't chat for a bit (even if the suspension turned out to be a mistake)... oh noes?

FEichinger

@kalina Without direct flagging, we need someone to decide. Which makes it even worse. That gives a specific target.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria It's where that gif came from. :(

StrixVaria

4:38 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Having never been to the SA forums, I wouldn't know that :P

kalina

@FEichinger yeah but in the middle of all of what just happened, four flags were raised for things that wouldn't normally result in a ban

and that shows a bit of a lack of integrity

plus, they're network wide, so everybody gets spammed with them

FEichinger

@kalina Hey, I raised precisely one flag there, and that was for an insult directed at me.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria Once upon a time, there was :smug:. And then there came :smugdog:. One day, someone gave :smugdog: sunglasses. And a meme was born.

Scootaloo

@StrixVaria and FEichinger: For what its worth I do feel pretty bad about what happened. I noticed things blew up in the "Escape Pod" too, but there were only two messages by me in that room.

kalina

@FEichinger is calling somebody a white knight an insult?

Fluttershy

4:40 AM

@kalina Yes.

Anna Lear

@kalina it can be

FEichinger

@kalina I explained it in the Escape Pod.

StrixVaria

@Scootaloo I didn't see the beginning of it, but you eventually admitted your mistake, while the other participant was being much more stubborn.

kalina

ok well I wasn't sure on the meaning so I ignored the flag

FEichinger

in Escape Pod., 27 mins ago, by FEichinger

@SaintWacko Just to clarify that: "white knighting" has become the new in-term for taking popular opinion stance you disagree with.

StrixVaria

4:41 AM

Ok, it's way later than I wanted to stay up, but Bridge drama is entrancing for some reason.

I have to go to bed.

kalina

@StrixVaria nn

OrigamiRobot

noite

kalina

bridge drama is always fun

FEichinger

o/

Scootaloo

@FEichinger Just to clarify: are you saying I was white knighting? or was that for someone else?

Fluttershy

4:41 AM

So Poker Night at the Inventory 2 is only $5... Preordering would get me a copy of Poker Night 1. Bridge... Should I do this thing?

kalina

@Scootaloo no, the other guy said @FEichinger was

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Scootaloo No, @FEichinger was accused of white knighting by retrosaur.

Though I'm not sure retrosaur knows what that phrase actually means.

user15026

@Fluttershy yes

FEichinger

@Scootaloo Our dear special prince @Retrosaur found it appropriate to accuse me of white knighting. I assume for my lengthy rant.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Do you like poker?

Fluttershy

4:42 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz He's from 4chan. They have a pretty awful definition there.

@LessPop_MoreFizz I do.

user15026

Remember I am a bad influence always

Fluttershy

@AshleyNunn This is true.

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz You never did tell me what beer you ended up with

Scootaloo

Is it possible for someone as notorious as @Retrosaur to redeem himself? or is it kind of too late for that?

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn Absolutely.

Fluttershy

4:43 AM

@Scootaloo Based on what happened a few minutes ago, my vote is for the latter.

Ullallulloo

@Fluttershy I did.

hats

Scootaloo

Well I recall reading:

kalina

@Scootaloo everybody around here is very forgiving over time, it's a case of whether or not people want forgiving

user15026

@FEichinger but you love me for it

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn Oh, yes, I do!

user15026

4:44 AM

@Scootaloo Don't do this. We have dealt with this.

Fluttershy

@Ullallulloo I don't play TF2, though... So hats don't really do much for me. Unless... Can I sell those hats?

OrigamiRobot

:8882768 ProTip, don't bring it up.

kalina

:8882768 the context made this fine

Scootaloo

@AshleyNunn Removed.

Fluttershy

@Scootaloo ping!

Scootaloo

4:44 AM

@Fluttershy ?

Fluttershy

I dunno. Everypony else was doing it.

Ullallulloo

@Fluttershy Yes, probably for about $4 total.

OrigamiRobot

@Scootaloo He just wanted in on the pings.

Fluttershy

@Ullallulloo So I'd get most of my money back... Hm...

kalina

@Scootaloo to be fair, you've not really done anything tonight by yourself, which is why out of the three you're the one that hasn't been banned

Ullallulloo

4:45 AM

@Fluttershy Plus the PN1 items could go for a little, and you get BL2 items.

Scootaloo

@kalina I guess that is a good thing?

Fluttershy

@Ullallulloo I really want the Gunzerker hair. I also wish they hadn't screwed the Siren over.

Anna Lear

@kalina Johann isn't either. He just left the room.

kalina

@Scootaloo well it means you're doing better than you did yesterday

@AnnaLear he was earlier for a period of time

Anna Lear

ahh k

Fluttershy

4:46 AM

@kalina About 2 minutes.

FEichinger

@AnnaLear He was released from it because the flags were inappropriate.

kalina

@Fluttershy no there was one before that as well

Fluttershy

Oh.

@FEichinger But were they, really? We've established that flagging stupidity for being disruptive was appropriate.

Scootaloo

Well before Retro (whatever his name is) gets it back I think I'm going to hit the road. Bye.

kalina

@Fluttershy well, in addition to that we established that one of those flags was acceptable so he shouldn't have been unbanned

LessPop_MoreFizz

4:47 AM

@AshleyNunn More fin du monde.

kalina

but shrug, it's dealt with

FEichinger

@Fluttershy No, we didn't. We established that a suspension is in order in such a situation. I disagree that our current means are appropriate to achieve that.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Saving the exotic stuff for later in the week.

@Scootaloo 'nite

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz yummmmy

kalina

@Scootaloo nn

Fluttershy

4:48 AM

I wish I had exotic beer. =(

kalina

I wish I had enough hand-eye coordination left to skin up

user15026

@Fluttershy invites you to Canada for semi-interesting beer

Fluttershy

Skin up?

FEichinger

@kalina We're back to slutting up again, yeh?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FEichinger Even if a suspension is in order, a flag is a poor way to go about it in such a situation. Since so much is dependent on context, better that a mod do it. Flags are really more about 'get this out of my chat right this second.'

FEichinger

4:49 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Exactly.

kalina

@Fluttershy sorry I forgot you avoid the subject

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy We've been over this

kalina

@FEichinger yes totally

user15026

@kalina There are methods that require less coordination

kalina

let me just edit another mass effect save so I can simultaneously date the entire crew

FEichinger

4:49 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz But on the other hand, having a mod decide on a suspension for a non-bannable offense, not exactly the type of things I'd want to unload on mods either.

kalina

@AshleyNunn there are but that requires walking all the way downstairs

Fluttershy

@kalina It's not really something I actively avoid. It's just one I don't really feel the need to communicate.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn @Fluttershy Come to New York when I am back there, and I can introduce you to many exotic beers.

kalina

@Fluttershy meh, they're all talking about beer

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FEichinger But that's the point of mods. They're exception handlers. They're there to handle the things that aren't cut and dry and easy for the existing flag system to take care of automatically.

kalina

4:50 AM

@FEichinger I actually think badp enjoys making those choices

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's a long drive. =\ You could've just brought me some when you were like 5 minutes from my house!

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz You tempt me so

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Alternately, hop down to Memphis, I think I have a decent read on where good beer is at this point and I will be here a few months.

I think Memphis Beer Week is later this month or something

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz A few months? I can probably manage that... Maybe... It's a considerably shorter drive...

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's a longh time :(

kalina

4:52 AM

eugh, I still have shaping of the world on loop

and tomb raider is still paused

I'm so bad at this

Fluttershy

@kalina It's a decent game. But as soon as I learned all DLC was multiplayer-only, I gave up on it.

kalina

@Fluttershy I like the bow

FEichinger

@LessPop_MoreFizz I agree, but I think it's one step too far. This isn't jut "not cut and dry", it's wrong by definition and only right in context. Which means: A lot of meta to deal with. Waiting half an hour could sometimes be better in that regard.

kalina

it's sad that's the most memorable mechanic in the game for me

although I quite liked the enclosed room where you released all of the gas and then threw a lantern in from the next room

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Till end of May at least.

kalina

4:54 AM

I approached that completely wrong, and spent about 15 minutes wandering around looking for a button or a door I could open

FEichinger

@kalina That describes the past hour awfully well, when you think about it.

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz o.O