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12:00 AM
of using less starting materials to build more molecules lol
speaking of which, what is your favourite esterification method?
 
I don't think using ethyl acetate is a problem in such exercises. It also is really cheap
 
uhhhh.... methyl sulfate?
I don't have a favourite esterification. all my research has been in computational and cat. chem., so I haven't tried a wide variety of organic synthesis conditions personally.
DMS is super useful chemically, but it's extremely toxic. Wikipedia says it's considered a good candidate for use as a chemical weapon
 
Jan
Dimethyl sulphide?
 
Dimethyl sulfate
but that will only give methyl esters
 
Jan
Oooh ^^ Don’t use misleading abbreviations ;)
 
12:12 AM
sorry @Jan
what's a good way to methylate hydroxybenzoic acid to both the ether and the ester without using dimethyl sulfate?
 
I like NHS esters or using HBTU or TSTU, but that's more a thing for expensive substances and small scale:-D
 
@DSVA it's nice because it will give both methyl esters and ethers on a hydroxybenzoic acid, which is nice if you want to make the methoxybenzaldehyde using DiBAlH
 
@gannex of course, but it's bad if you want to have something else than methyl:-P
 
@DSVA but I wanted a methoxybenzaldehyde from a hydroxybenzoic acid in this case... idk, as I said, I haven't tried much organic chemistry in the lab
 
@gannex yeah my answer was more about "what is your favourite esterification method?"
 
 
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4:58 AM
Does any body have any idea what this user is really asking for with this bounty?
http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/66618/15410
"Need a answer describing all the properties of neutrons..."
 
 
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8:19 AM
Guess the atom with the highest (first) ionization energy (don't cheat!)
 
 
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9:38 AM
@ringo it's called too broad I suspect. ;)
 
10:04 AM
@paracresol If you find the username offensive, you can mod-flag one of their posts and explain.
 
yeah yeah...this is highly possible..
good luck trying to get the argon to bond to these heavy elements though...
 
@Secret Hey, it's supposed to be secret
 
@M.A.R. I'd rather not try...considering what happened the last time I flagged something airing anti-Christian sentiments @Jan @ortho
 
@paracresol ''airing anti-Christian sentiments'' is a bit different from allegedly mocking an important figure in a religion
But I'm interested; what happened?
 
^ A comment war (based on a certain something ortho said) that dragged in a Mod from another SE... Jan was there to spectate (and fire the occasional broadside....at me -_-)
@M.A.R. It happened during your...*ahem*... sabbatical ;)
 
10:11 AM
@paracresol Yes, that's implied by the fact that I don't know about it. TELL ME ALREADY
@paracresol Oh, linky
 
@M.A.R. The other Mod ended up deleting all the ~90 comments that followed ortho's comment ._.
^ However he did leave the original comment ;)
 
So there was two mods fighting?
 
No...
 
Which question was the comment war in?
 
Ortho ignored the feud... and the other Mod was fighting me ._.
@M.A.R. In this chat room ;D
 
10:14 AM
@paracresol You're a very bad story-teller
 
Your chatroom :3
 
@paracresol Who was the other mod?
 
ArtofCode
Or something like that ._.
 
Oh
I'm even more interested
 
Dec 11 '16 at 16:41, by orthocresol
The Bible is contradictory in a lot of places.
I ended up flagging that^
...and now I regret it .-.
Dec 11 '16 at 16:36, by paracresol
@Jan Google's atheist...
Dec 11 '16 at 16:36, by paracresol
...or Jewish.
Dec 11 '16 at 16:37, by Jan
@paracresol ಠ_ಠ
3:)
 
10:18 AM
Oh you didn't need to link
I found the conversation myself
 
^ How? O_o
I mean, what did you search for?
Nov 12 '16 at 11:38, by M.A.R.
@Aaron it's not easy to draw a line here.
^ You said that 13 times so far...and then stopped ;)
 
@paracresol I assumed you learned your lesson
@paracresol I have my own ways
 
@M.A.R. Assume away :D
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Q: Why should a tumor look like a crab?

M.A.R. Origin of the word "cancer" The disease was first called cancer by Greek physician Hippocrates (460-370 BC). He is considered the “Father of Medicine”. Hippocrates used the terms carcinos and carcinoma to describe non-ulcer forming and ulcer-forming tumors. In Greek this means a crab. The...

^ upvotes :)
It kinda does look like a potato to me 0:)
 
@paracresol Wow, that was a question from when I was a dolt
Now I'm a troll
 
@M.A.R. What do you mean "was"? ಠ_ಠ
@M.A.R. Elbonian?
 
10:30 AM
@paracresol Up to you to decide
 
@M.A.R. I used to read Dilbert...until a couple of years ago :(
Applauds
@M.A.R I've got a trove of antisemitic memes... wanna see? 3;)
 
Nope
Stop distracting me, I'm reading the latest meta.SO drama
Also this
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Q: Did the @POTUS Twitter account use a picture from Obama's inauguration for its cover image?

DonyorMThere's an image going around Facebook claiming that the @POTUS Twitter account is using an image from President Obama's inauguration. Is this true? Where is the original image from?

 
^ Seen it ;)
@M.A.R. sighs ^
 
@Para I don't feel like being angry or upset about people, and someone might take offense at these pictures.
 
^ IT'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
 
10:39 AM
I would appreciate it if you not post any further images.
 
:'(
@M.A.R. Is that safe? ^
 
@paracresol Come on, so much interesting chem trivia out there and you resort to politics?
 
^ The last one isn't politics ;)
 
It's nuditics
4
 
10:41 AM
I don't think it's that NSFW, but people might change my mind
 
@M.A.R. You're a regular at the English language learners.SE right? Then that one ought to interest you ;)
 
@paracresol Hah, this one's actually nice
 
@M.A.R. Told ya ;D
 
@paracresol Abiding by the nearest-noun law, the validity boils down to whether "family" is singular or plural:
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A: My family *is* or My family *are*?

ImanIn American English, collective nouns are almost always treated as singular. In British English, it often depends on whether the speaker/writer sees the noun as a unit or as individuals. That seems to defeat the purpose of collective nouns, but that is how it is. http://www.usingenglish.com/foru...

> In American English, collective nouns are almost always treated as singular. In British English, it often depends on whether the speaker/writer sees the noun as a unit or as individuals.
 
@DHMO Quit ruining jokes -_-
 
10:44 AM
@DHMO And it's considered plural in that case
 
@M.A.R. no, it's considered singular in that case, because otherwise "them" would be referring to "my family" because of the law of the nearest noun
@paracresol contronyms!
 
@DHMO I would like to see this law of the nearest noun in a reputable grammar
 
@M.A.R. interesting. I've never checked it online.
 
10:46 AM
@M.A.R. I bet you'd absolutely love the next one 3:)
 
@DHMO I'm searching CGEL. Thing is, a lot of this is pseudo-grammar and hence inconsistent and not trust-worthy
 
@M.A.R. I think if I can't validate it then I might just forget it and forgo it altogether
 
^ Wise choice ._.
 
@M.A.R. You can stop the search. I think I formed it from conflating the rule saying that verb agrees with the nearest noun when the subject is two nouns connected by "or".
 
@DHMO There's no such rule in grammar
 
10:49 AM
 
That's prolly taught because students think stuff is ambiguous
 
@M.A.R. I see
 
^ -_-
I saw that -_-
 
And it usually is.
 
10:50 AM
The problem is that English learners aren't good with implicatures, and can't rule out the options easily
 
@M.A.R. what about the rule that clauses modifies the noun of proximity?
 
So you end up with so-called rules that are correct 80 percent of the time, but fail at some cases.
Just like chem, and just like octet
 
@DHMO ...clauses modify ... ;)
 
@paracresol you got me
 
10:51 AM
@DHMO That's more or less correct
 
Watching like a hawk
 
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A: How to identify the modified noun in multiple attribute clauses?

deadratYour question doesn't seem to be so much about what a clause modifies, but about how to determine the antecedent of a relative pronoun, (the noun referred to by that pronoun), in this case, "which." There are several considerations in making that determination. Proximity. The modifying clause...

 
@M.A.R. can you fill in this blank? Grapes or a lemon __ good for me.
 
^ "a lemon" or "lemons"?
 
10:52 AM
That depends.
Without further context, both ''is'' and ''are'' can be correct, I believe
@paracresol Doesn't matter
 
@paracresol *triggered*
 
^^ That really gets me...for reasons I don't quite get...
 
AFK, I feel a bit sick
 
:O
@M.A.R. That should help^
 
10:57 AM
oops, I forgot to ask the question for which I came here
How should you make t-BuOH from t-BuCl?
@M.A.R. what's a grammar rule that you thought to be true and later turned out to be false?
(Don't criticize me for prescriptivism lol)
 
^^^ If that wasn't tertiary, I might've been able to help ._.
 
@paracresol If that wasn't tertiary, I wouldn't have asked it here ._.
 
I know :3
 
@DHMO Hmm, the who–whom argument comes to mind.
Also the subjunctive in ''be'''s case.
The problem is usually not that the rule is false. It's that it's inaccurate.
Rules should reflect how native speakers of that language speak, not the other way around.
 
you just did i told you what not to do lol
 
11:25 AM
@DHMO ?
 
@paracresol Freedom of speech gives you the right to be an asshole, but doesn't mean that other people must tolerate it.
 
how do you make t-BuOH from t-BuCl?
 
Put it in water and heat the crap out of it.
 
Good day
Does sample loop only exist in gas chromatography?
 
@orthocresol and get i-PrMe?
 
11:40 AM
Huh why?
 
oops
I meant methylpropene
 
Well don't heat it then
 
does it work?
 
And google for hydrolysis of t-butyl chloride there are lots of lab procedures
Don't seem to need heating
Some base might help to mop up the HCl.
Heating favours the elimination product so might not have been the best suggestion
 
12:00 PM
@orthocresol is there a way to form t-BuOH from the elimination product?
 
 
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1:32 PM
@DHMO you could add water back again, but I guess it wouldn't be a great reaction
maybe an alternative method of hydration would work better
 
> tert-Butyl alcohol is derived commercially from isobutane as a co-product of propylene oxide production. It can also be produced by the catalytic hydration of isobutylene, or by a Grignard reaction between acetone and methylmagnesium chloride.
catalytic hydration of isobutylene
 
yeah, on industry you don't really care so much about overall yields
you can probably recycle the isobutene easily
 
just like in the Haber process where the yield is only 15%
 
something like that, and you recycle the unused nitrogen and hydrogen
but in a lab setting you would want something that works better
not that you would want to synthesise tBuOH in a lab..
 
@orthocresol heh?
 
1:35 PM
these molecules you are curious about, they are always just bought..
 
I see
 
sometimes there are expensive stuff that are easier to make, so you do them in the lab..
but small carbon building blocks are generally nearly always bought
 
what have you synthesized?
 
not much, some rubbish, i'm not supposed to disclose it anyway
Loong would know what I was trying to do, but I never quite got there
 
heh? alright then
 
1:38 PM
some aromatic stuff to bind to proteins
brb.. gotta cook lunch
 
1:53 PM
@orthocresol do you intend to make yourself?
 
@DHMO I'd buy that.
 
> Together with many other compounds, o-cresol is traditionally extracted from coal tar, the volatile materials obtained in the production of coke from coal. A similar source material is petroleum residues. These residue contains a few percent by weight of phenol and isomeric cresols. In addition to the materials derived from these natural sources, about two thirds of the Western world's supply is produced by methylation of phenol using methanol. The alkylation is catalysed by metal oxides:
I see
 
 
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3:21 PM
> Condition the analytical column with mobile phase for about 30’
does this mean "30 seconds"?
 
3:39 PM
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A: English notation for hour, minutes and seconds

Andrew LeachIt's not particularly common for expressions of time. It's similar to degrees-minutes-seconds: instead of decimal degrees (38.897212°,-77.036519°) you write (38° 53′ 49.9632″, -77° 2′ 11.4678″). Both are derived from a sexagesimal counting system such as that devised in Ancient Babylon: the sin...

 
@CowperKettle It's probably minutes.
Ninja'd
The prime symbol ( ′ ), double prime symbol ( ″ ), triple prime symbol ( ‴ ), quadruple prime symbol ( ⁗ ) etc., are used to designate units and for other purposes in mathematics, the sciences, linguistics and music. The prime symbol should not be confused with the apostrophe, single quotation mark, acute accent, or grave accent; the double prime symbol should not be confused with the double quotation mark, the ditto mark, or the letter double apostrophe. The prime symbol is very similar to the Hebrew geresh, but in modern fonts the geresh is designed to be aligned with the Hebrew letters and the...
 
anyway, that's yucky
 
@Loong and commonly used here
Is it just me, or has the level of HW crap hit the rock bottom?
It seems they're more stupid than before
 
Can anyone answer this question?
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Q: Addition reaction of 1,3-cyclobutadiene with Cl2

B. PasternakCould someone maybe explain how the addition reaction between 1,3-cyclobutadiene and $\ce{Cl_2}$ works, and what the reaction products are? For 1,3-butadiene I know how it works with $\ce{HCl}$, but here I am completely lost and I cannot find it anywhere in my notes or on the internet.

 
@orthocresol thank you
 
3:53 PM
come on it's quite easy
 
The asker is Boris Pasternak
I thought he were long gone
 
I like digging up old questions
 
@CowperKettle How did you know?
 
What can this mean: double weight?
Mentioned later as first weight and second weight
What can (could?) this all mean? O_O
 
4:16 PM
How is the carboxyl ion stabilised by mesomerism?
 
as in when a carboxyl group dissociates into COO- and H+
yes, I don't get that
 
resonance distributes the charge
click into the discussion
 
so, the bonding cannot be expressed by a single structure, so two structures / lewis structures are necessary to represent the bonding
 
yes
 
4:19 PM
why does this distribute the charge?
 
because the result is an average of the two forms
so the charge is shared between the two oxygen atoms
 
the average molecule has a charge distributed between two oxygen atoms?
which makes both less negative, which means they are less likely to attract a proton?
 
@CowperKettle I've got nothing
 
@frostedcake this is true, but it's also due to the repulsion between negative charges
more separation = less repulsion
 
Sorry I don't think I quite get it, what does less repulsion then mean?
 
4:23 PM
it means it has a lower energy
just like two negatively charged ball has less energy when separated
 
@frostedcake Electrons are like a burden. If I lift 10 kilograms, I will feel uneasy soon. But if we both carry 5 kgs . . . you get the idea
 
which makes it less reactive?
 
yes
because it has less energy
@M.A.R. i hate analogies
 
aha, which means it is less likely to react with the proton, which means it is more likely to stay dissoviated
 
Analogies hate you as well.
 
4:24 PM
*dissociated
 
@frostedcake ionized
@M.A.R. it's like a mutual relationship
 
yep, thanks
:)
 
@DHMO But you can rebuild the relationship when you differentiate between oversimplifying something, and using analogies.
 
@M.A.R. :p
@M.A.R. have you synthesized anything?
 
@DHMO Are you kidding me?
 
4:29 PM
@M.A.R. why do you think so?
 
The stupid educational system we have here doesn't have anything about synthesizing something.
Do milkshakes count?
I also make nice coffee.
 
oh, sorry, I forgot that you're still in high school?
 
@DHMO You don't remember? We basically have nothing called organic chemistry in school. Where could I have gone to synthesize something?
 
@M.A.R. bad memory
 
@DHMO Yah. So if you haven't synthesized stuff, you can be sure that I haven't either.
 
4:31 PM
@M.A.R. a meth lab ._.
 
@DHMO a bit unrelated. Plenty of high schoolers have synthesized cool stuff
 
@M.A.R. ya, like I've done Fischer esterification
 
@Cowper Greetings comrade o/
 
Namaste, para!
 
@paracresol And grow a beard and become Trump's DEA chief?
@CowperKettle Dobry Vecher or Voucher or something
 
4:33 PM
@M.A.R. I can't let the priest catch me with a beard ._. It'll have to wait :(
@CowperKettle Quit the Namaste ;P
 
@paracresol O.O Huh?
 
@paracresol you're indian?? :o
 
@paracresol He's like a localized bot. I wonder how much he can stretch the greetings
Can he greet Neptunians correctly?
 
@M.A.R. My school's Catholic (I'm not though). Walking around the campus with a face radiating manhood...would invite suspension X3
@DHMO Quit rubbing it in -_-
 
@paracresol namaste
 
4:36 PM
@paracresol why?
Hindi Russi bhai bhai
 
@Cowper @DHMO I'm not one of those super idiotic-chauvinist "India is greastest counntry in world, veryy verry prowd of indianess" sorts of Indian ._. As of late, I haven't been feeling particularly patriotic -_-
 
@paracresol wait, I never knew you're an indian
because of the name "Aaron"
 
@paracresol Language is not about the government, it's about culture
Nothing bad in being proud of your language
I know that Modi is called a moron by many
But that does not relate to language
 
Incidentally, our country's gonna celebrate Republic Day tomorrow...another day of our prick PM delivering propaganda
Sighs
 
My sister rants about Modi cause she can't get cash easily
 
4:39 PM
Republic Day honors the date on which the Constitution of India came into force on 26 January 1950 replacing the Government of India Act (1935) as the governing document of India. The Constitution was adopted by the Indian Constituent Assembly on 26 November 1949, and came into effect on 26 January 1950 with a democratic government system, completing the country's transition towards becoming an independent republic. 26 January was chosen as the Republic day because it was on this day in 1930 when the Declaration of Indian Independence (Purna Swaraj) was proclaimed by the Indian National Congress...
@Cowper Let me get back at you...
@CowperKettle True (in most cases)
But India has over 200 languages...with about 20 or so major languages
Indian states have been created on linguistic lines....
Hindi has the largest number of takers...
...compared to the other languages
 
can an amino group be reduced?
 
But it's still just ~40% of the population the speaks it
@CowperKettle We (from South India) use far more colourful words to describe Modi ;)
@CowperKettle My language isn't Hindi, it's Malayalam ;)
Malayalam /mʌləˈjɑːləm/ (മലയാളം, Malayāḷam ? [mɐləjaːɭəm]) is a language spoken in India, predominantly in the state of Kerala. It is one of the 22 scheduled languages of India and was designated as a Classical Language in India in 2013. It was developed to the current form mainly by the influence of the poet Thunchaththu Ezhuthachan in the 16th century. Malayalam has official language status in the state of Kerala and in the union territories of Lakshadweep and Puducherry. It belongs to the Dravidian family of languages and is spoken by some 38 million people. Malayalam is also spoken in t...
 
@paracresol (0:
@paracresol Ah, sorry!
 
@CowperKettle You should see the cash issue over here...ever since Modi announced demonetisation ._.
@CowperKettle No problem :D
 
@paracresol I was surprised to hear that in a month's time it's still not settled
 
On 8 November 2016, the Government of India announced the demonetisation of all ₹500 (US$7.40) and ₹1,000 (US$15) banknotes of the Mahatma Gandhi Series. The government claimed that the action would curtail the shadow economy and crack down on the use of illicit and counterfeit cash to fund illegal activity and terrorism. The sudden nature of the announcement—and the prolonged cash shortages in the weeks that followed—created significant disruption throughout the economy, threatening economic output. The move was heavily criticized as poorly planned and unfair, and was met with protests, litigation...
 
Fun thing to watch
Stop talking stupid politics
 
@CowperKettle It was a stupid decision...of course it wouldn't settle in a month :P
Our President used to be a sensible guy...but lately he's been acting spineless
Sighs
@DHMO Surprise! ;D
 
lol
 
@DHMO I'm Christian -_-
 
4:48 PM
@paracresol I thought you're catholic
 
Um...
I'm not ._.
@Cowper I wonder what Kompromat you guys have (on Trump) 3;D
 
@paracresol they are performing this so-called demonetization yet people from other countries cannot get a bank account if they are not Indian citizens. This is beyond comprehension. And I remember the banknote exchange in Russia in 1992 - it was sudden and shocking but was over in a couple of weeks
 
@CowperKettle That's Russia...your country is organised ....this is India...it's situation is hopeless
@M.A.R. Iran \o/
 
@paracresol Hmm?
 
@M.A.R. Trying to find another country to get all patriotic about ._.
I did Russia a couple of years ago...so that isn't an option... sorry @Cowper ;P
 
4:54 PM
How can you be patriotic about another country?
That's contradictory
 
^ Can't I ?O_o
 
It's kinda weird.
You're taking life seriously, but you're not taking life seriously.
 
@M.A.R. Yes we can!
 
@M.A.R. Though I'm usually very patriotic when Germany's in question ( Winks at @Jan @Loong @Martin)
 
@CowperKettle OK OK, I'm right besides you, you don't need to shout
 
4:56 PM
Tobriz is quite far
 
I believe the romanization is ''Tabriz''
 
ah
47 hours in a car
 
@CowperKettle Don't get any ideas -_-
@M.A.R. RUN!!1
 
@CowperKettle 'cause it's pronounced /tæbrɪz/
 
It's Tebriz in Russian
 
4:58 PM
@M.A.R. Tay-briss?
 
Thai breeze
 
@paracresol I'm not gonna run from a kettle
@paracresol tab-reese
 
@M.A.R. Would you run from a pair of @Cowper's glands?
 
This conversation is getting weird.
 
@M.A.R. I see
Thoughtful
 
5:01 PM
I liked that movie. Don't ruin it.
 
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A: What gives milk its characteristic white color?

paracresolThere is no "pigment" that makes milk white. According to Wikipedia: A pigment is a material that changes the color of reflected or transmitted light as the result of wavelength-selective absorption. Going by that definition of a "pigment", then there is no (white) pigment in milk. In fact...

Wohoo!! \o/
@DHMO Oh, this question!
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Q: Do amino groups need to be protected during a Clemmensen reduction?

JeffreyIn class, we learned about the Clemmensen reduction of carbonyl groups to the corresponding hydrocarbon. This is all well and good, except that it would also seem that the conditions used in the Clemmensen reduction might also affect other groups, such as the reduction of nitro groups to amino gr...

 
@paracresol ya
 
And no... I seriously doubt whether anything can reduce an amino group...
^ I think you already feel the same ;)
 
ya
 
5:18 PM
Aaaaand @Cowper's gone :'(
Farewell comrade o/
NEVER!!!
 
Jan
5:49 PM
@CowperKettle Nice station.
@M.A.R. I played in that (school) play; it was one of the first that I remember.
 
 
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7:51 PM
Why it has been put on hold
-1
Q: Number of mercury atoms

user123733The mercury content of a stream was believed to be above the minimum considered limit $1\text{ppb}$. An analysis indicated that the concentration was $1.68\ \mathrm{ppb}$. We have to find how many $\ce{Hg}$ atoms are present in $15\ \mathrm{L}$ of water, the density of which is $0.998\ \mathrm{g ...

I have shown enough effort @Jan
 
Jan
@user123733 No, you haven’t. Slapping a random calculation by itself isn’t necessarily ‘enough effort’.
 
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