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1:26 AM
@Jan I was quite surprised to learn that none of my textbooks, give a mechanism for the hydrolysis of the osmate ester using sodium bisulfite..so I guess it's not such a waste.
hmm +200 rep..tempting..
shall give it a go, once I finish all my assignment lol
 
Jan
Magical unicorn points gamification works ;)
 
damn you real life..
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9:25 AM
@Jan Weren't you moaning about 'no-reference' to the 'Waksman-discovered-streptomycin' thing?
 
9:42 AM
@Jan I've got PLENTY of those o:)
@THELONEWOLF. You honestly had nothing better to do, huh? ._.
 
user228700
10:20 AM
@AaronAbraham -_______-
 
How to learn inorganic chemistry
Please someone help
 
11:02 AM
@koolman Usually, you should be just reading your textbook
 
user228700
11:24 AM
@koolman Try to understand as much as possible. Baki sab try to memorize.
 
@Kaumudi,do u think koolman will understand hindi
 
user228700
@THELONEWOLF. He/she might. He/she is from India and Hindi is our national language.
 
I didn't knew that
Koolman is also indian
 
user228700
Yeah, way too many Indians here :-P
 
Still Aaron hide the fact from me that he is Indian
@Kaumudi and u know he is
 
11:38 AM
@Aaron it's not easy to draw a line here.
 
Jan
11:50 AM
@AaronAbraham That was almost years ago =D
 
sigh
When I read Worldbuilding.SE, I don’t know whether their grasp of science or technology is the more appalling.
 
Jan
I found Exp. Biol. Med 1944, 55, 66 which does the job.
 
@Loong But it's a fun hobby to try to match pseudo-science to your daydreams.
 
user228700
@THELONEWOLF. Yeah, Ik. Dude, he's bored af. Let him be :-P
 
Hmmmmm........
 
Jan
12:15 PM
I meant years ago as in a rhetoric something but I’m bad at labelling them, I just use them.
 
hyperbole?
 
@THELONEWOLF. Whoa Kamerade! I've got far better things to do -_- And @Kaumudi, you ought to know better, than to egg this guy on ಠ_ಠ
@Loong Ja eine hyperbel ;)
@Jan So, found the elusive source? (Waksman-Streptomycin thingy)
@M.A.R. Go on 3:)
@Jan, did I use the right article before hyperbel?
 
@AaronAbraham yes, but it should begin with an upper-case letter: die Hyperbel
 
@Loong Whoops...sorry; sorta like uppercase as in Zeit right?
Deutsch is a chewy language ._. ; but it's nourishing :D
@ortho o/
@Kaumudi I sense a revolution coming to Chem.SE :O
 
Jan
@Loong As I said, I never know, I just believe trustworthy people when they suggest a name ;)
@AaronAbraham The article I mentioned before ;)
 
12:30 PM
._.
Hey @Jan, I've got a couple of Pharmacology doubts, can you clear them?
You are Waksman's protegee after all ;P
 
@M.A.R. :D
 
Tries to change @Aaron to English mode, fails, restarts @Aaron
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Rebooted
 
Jan
I’m nobody’s protegee.
 
12:36 PM
@Jan :O
 
@Jan Nice, that's even harder
 
@Jan What about Herr Dube? and Herr Carell?
 
Jan
I’m not their protegee.
 
@AaronAbraham it's already happening
 
Oh...then WHAT ABOUT YOUR ZINC PORPHYRIN DISPLAY PHOTO! YOU SAID IT WAS IN HONOUR OF YOUR MASTER!!!
 
Jan
12:40 PM
It’s not like a zincporphyrin can protect me =D
 
@Jan You know I hate French -_-
Protéger -_-
@orthocresol The Periodic Table putsch, I believe ;)
 
@orthocresol That name is creepy.
 
hilarious
 
12:53 PM
Well, two pages.
Let's see how far this goes.
I hope for the best for all the founders and users, and hope they find a way not to drown in a sea of ''calculate the velocity of m'' questions.
 
I'll probably get round to the HW post later today
 
Well, I'm about to go AFK in some minutes
 
:(
You can see it on Wednesday then.
 
I spent two days preparing pharma. notes, and I always listed Zidovudine and Azidothymidine separately whenever I dealt with anti-viral drugs. I finished up on the notes today, googled 'zidovudine' and 'AZT' for the structures...and they turn out to be the same thing -_-
This User is currently punching a pillow with @M.A.R.'s display photo pinned to it in an attempt to lose some steam
 
The said user above has an odd sense of humor.
 
1:12 PM
@M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
 
1:26 PM
@M.A.R. o/
 
I think advising someone to taste a chemical they found on their ground is 100% reckless. — John Snow Dec 21 '14 at 6:47
 
@Loong If it counts as experience, then it's fine by me! I'm currently 17 years into my quest for picking up Wisdom ._.
@Jan If a substance can bind to a lipid, would it be safe to assume that its lipohilic?
 
Jan
What’s your current definition of bind?
 
@Jan What definitions are there? O.o
 
Jan
The chemical one and the biochemical one.
 
1:40 PM
What's the latter about?
 
Jan
The former means to form a chemical bond. The latter means to associate with each other in a non-bonding interaction.
 
Darn, that should've struck me earlier :/
What do you think this "bind" implies?
> Congo red is used in microbiological epidemiology to rapidly identify the presence of virulent serotype 2a Shigella flexneri, where the dye binds the bacterium's unique lipopolysaccharide structure.
 
Jan
That’s clearly a non-bonding interaction, and in such cases your assumption above is correct.
 
@Jan Am I trustworthy? :3
@Jan So Congo Red's lipohilic, right?
 
Jan
@AaronAbraham Yes, that’s the assumption.
 
1:46 PM
@Jan Alrighty!
I'll ping you when I'm done typing out the other question I have. Hopefully you'll have the time to take a look at it ;)
@Jan, Would you happen to know if curcumin is lipohobic too?
Yes, I know it's water-soluble, but Congo Red's water soluble too :(
 
Jan
!!img/curcumin
 
Crap ^^ I meant lipohilic
 
Jan
Decide for yourself :p
 
@Chemobot That was fast :O
 
1:54 PM
lipophilic
greek philia, to love
;)
 
@orthocresol IT WAS A TYPO! -_-
 
you made the same typo quite a number of times lol
so I assumed it was intentional
 
I didn't realise it..
 
sorry if you just typo'd it the same way lots of times :p
 
._.
Nah, I'm used to frequent typos ._.
 
1:55 PM
happens to everybody
during one of my physical chemistry tests, i forgot how to spell evaporate :D
 
Jan
@orthocresol Actually, philia is a noun. So it is (the) love, not to love. :p
 
i spent almost 5 minutes trying to decide whether it was evapourate
 
There was that type when I spelled "Analogy" with an unnecessary 'r' ... "Analorgy" ._.
 
........
 
@orthocresol I HAD PRECISELY THE SAME ISSUE!!!
 
1:57 PM
@Jan The more you know!
 
But that was a long time ago
 
Jan
@AaronAbraham Inb4 @ortho quits again …
 
that's it, I resign as mod
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Jan
I was thinking ‘the chat’ but that’s also funny =D
 
moderating chat is part of the responsibilities of a mod
i'm not willing to do this any further
 
1:59 PM
@AaronAbraham lipophilic and biding to lipopolysaccharides is completely different things
 
WE ARE BACK ON TRACK
 
@Jan Well, I see two -OH groups and two carbonyls, so the H-bonding might help it dissolve in water, but it's got two aromatic rings so that might give it a lipophobic tendency ._.
@Mithoron Tell that to @Jan ;P
 
Jan
@AaronAbraham And there we are ^^
 
@Jan, Oh come on! JUST TELL ME! You've got a PhD from LMU, and you know I'm still in highschool -_- PLEASE!
 
"lipophilic" is for general solubility not subtle interactions with complex biomolecules
 
Jan
2:02 PM
Which is why I’m supporting your learning rather than passing you answers on silver tablets ;p
 
Ah crap ^^^^^^ I meant lipophilic ._.
@Jan ಠ_ಠ
@Jan You know you could help "support my learning" by telling me if polymeric ethylene glycol is conductive ;P
 
Jan
But that I don’t know myself.
 
user228700
@AaronAbraham Oh, Ikr?
 
O.o
@Jan So, about Curcumin..... 3:)
PLEASE!
 
user228700
@AaronAbraham I am so glad I didn't take Bio :-P
 
2:07 PM
@Jan I'll quit my anti-semitic rants if you do o:)
@Kaumudi Bio isn't all that bad...
 
Lipopolysaccharides (LPS), also known as lipoglycans and endotoxins, are large molecules consisting of a lipid and a polysaccharide composed of O-antigen, outer core and inner core joined by a covalent bond; they are found in the outer membrane of Gram-negative bacteria, and elicit strong immune responses in animals. The term lipooligosaccharide ("LOS") is used to refer to a low-molecular-weight form of bacterial lipopolysaccharides. == Discovery == The toxic activity of LPS was first discovered and termed "endotoxin" by Richard Friedrich Johannes Pfeiffer, who distinguished between exotoxins,...
 
@Kaumudi However the NCERT textbook is 10 rungs below mediocre -_-
@Mithoron ?
QUICK EVERYONE! ORTHO'S GONNA RESIGN AS A MOD! :O
WE MUST PERSUADE HIM OTHERWISE :O BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
 
Jan
You’re pretty late to the party … that was like ten minutes ago 8D
 
@ortho! DON'T DO IT! I...I...won't spell "analogy" that way again!
@Jan Nah, I saw it before, but the gravity of the situation only just dawned on me :'(
Oh wait, we've got @Loong as the other Mod.... whew; It's alright @ortho, you can resign now ^_^
!!img/congored
 
No result found.
 
2:14 PM
Dafuq -_-
 
Jan
!!img/congo-red
 
No result found.
 
SERIOUSLY?
 
Jan
Damn xD
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA @Jan
X'D
 
Jan
!!wiki/Congo red
 
Congo red is the sodium salt of 3,3′-([1,1′-biphenyl]-4,4′-diyl)bis(4-aminonaphthalene-1-sulfonic acid) (formula: C32H22N6Na2O6S2; molecular weight: 696.66 g/mol). It is a secondary diazo dye. Congo red is water-soluble, yielding a red colloidal solution; its solubility is better in organic solvents such as ethanol. It has a strong, though apparently noncovalent, affinity to cellulose fibers. However, the use of Congo red in the cellulose industries (cotton textile, wood pulp, and paper) has long been abandoned, primarily because of its toxicity and tendency to run and change color when touched...
 
hm?
!!img/congo red
 
2:15 PM
DAFUQ!
 
Jan
Ah, so that was why.
I like hyphens. And trains .__.
 
LOOONG!
@Jan Oh
I see
I like trains too o.o
 
@Chemobot "tendency to run and change color when touched" ;-D
I just imagined this.
 
Jan
What a scared molecule congo red must be ;D
 
@Jan :D
Now, the answer @Jan ಠ_ಠ
 
Jan
2:22 PM
As I said you had it.
 
@Jan I said It could either be Lipophilic or Hydrophilic ._.
There're good reasons for both arguments ._.
 
Jan
Anyway, trying to understand what \futurelet does blew my mind so I’ll have breakfast now.
Hydrophilic and lipophilic are not a dichotomy.
 
No?
!!img/führer
 
........
Um?
 
2:26 PM
!!img/congo%20red
 
!!img/blütfahne
 
No result found.
 
Then how the heck did'ya find a result for Führer????
sigh
 
2:28 PM
When I grow up I'm going to create a chemical and name it Robert'); DROP TABLE students;--
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!!img/Reichardt's dye
 
:-)
 
Jan
I do find it amusing that phenylalanine is considered the Führer =D
 
Maybe because it sounds phonetically similar
 
Jan
2:30 PM
Except it doesn’t.
 
The first bit does
 
@Jan EXACTLY!
!!img/hippalectryon
 
No result found.
 
It doesn't recognise it's own creator?
That's scary O.O
So @Jan, I can ask @Chemobot, for just about any molecular structure? 3:)
 
Jan
Not the slightest ô.o. German pronunciation of Phenylalanin has an /e/ sound as first vowel, English has an /i/ sound. Führer will be pronounced with /y/ in German or /ʉː/ in English. Completely different if you ask me.
(Other English dialects will use a different u sound)
 
2:35 PM
!!img/titin
 
No result found.
 
@Jan Just tell it to me already!
Prwetty Pweese?
 
@Jan Oh, not the vowel bit. Just the very first f sound...
 
Jan
@orthocresol :D
 
I mean, we're not talking logical explanations here :D
We're trying to figure out why someone called phenylalanine Fuhrer...
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3:04 PM
Anyone into biochem/pharmacology
?
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Q: Why can Curcumin cross the Blood-Brain Barrier, but not Congo Red?

Aaron AbrahamI've read that both Congo Red and Curcumin are able to inhibit the clumping together of amyloid $\mathrm{β_{42}}$ in the brain, which would otherwise result in Alzheimer's disease. Apparently, Congo Red cannot cross the Blood-Brain Barrier while Curcumin can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood%...

 
!!wiki/Eschweiler-Clarke
 
!!wiki/Eschweiler-Clarke reaction
 
The Eschweiler–Clarke reaction (also called the Eschweiler–Clarke methylation) is a chemical reaction whereby a primary (or secondary) amine is methylated using excess formic acid and formaldehyde. Reductive amination reactions such as this one will not produce quaternary ammonium salts, but instead will stop at the tertiary amine stage. It is named for the German chemist Wilhelm Eschweiler (1860–1936) and the British chemist Hans Thacher Clarke (1887-1972). == Mechanism == The first methylation of the amine begins with imine formation with formaldehyde. The formic acid acts as a source of hydride...
 
Nice :)
@orthocresol last night I dreamed someone give use a good answer for (urea to methanal) using E-C reaction. Unfortunately I don't remember what it was
 
3:29 PM
I took the liberty to add the safety tag, just to be safe ;) — Klaus Warzecha Dec 31 '14 at 11:30
 
@9-BBN If it was in a dream, it probably wasn't a good answer.
93 messages moved to Chemobot
 
lol @orthocresol
 
@orthocresol I guess too
 
Is it possible for people other than user A and user B to join a chat room called "Room for user A and user B"?
 
Yes
 
3:35 PM
@pentavalentcarbon Yep. If you are the room owner of a room, however, you can simply set the room to be private.
 
@pentavalentcarbon but people can still see the content
 
@pentavalentcarbon so don't say @orthocresol is an idiot even if you think it :P
 
That's what I thought, that none of the content on the site could ever be fully, truly private.
Makes sense.
 
Moderator chat rooms are private and invisible to non-mods, but that's not exactly private either since all mods (and community managers) can see it. I believe that SE has repeatedly rejected requests for private user messages.
 
Also makes sense.
I wouldn't mind private messages but I can see why they wouldn't want them. Too many problems associated with it for a site like this.
 
3:38 PM
If you want a private chat ask the mail
 
No, because then their address is revealed to the entire world, because this part isn't private.
 
You can do it in a comment and remove the comment after
You can also create a mail for that
 
By having nothing invisible to the outside world, there's no way to create a fully-private communication chain.
 
pentavalentcarbon@gmail.com for example
 
That's an interesting idea but maybe more trouble than it's worth.
 
3:40 PM
@pentavalentcarbon not really
you can use RSA encryption
 
That is indeed one of the too-many email addresses I have...
 
I have a GPG key but I need to remind myself of how Alice and Bob work all the time...
 
lol
 
x)
 
3:42 PM
like, it blows my mind that it works
It's like the variational method. How could this be true?!
 
What true means ?
 
I mean that something so simple and easy to prove is so powerful.
 
I will rename me as hexacoordinate carbon :P
 
I think that exists too.
 
I know
 
3:46 PM
might be gas-phase only?
 
oooooooooo
 
$\ce{[C(AuPR3)6]^2+}$ exists IIRC
 
damn, that paper uses QTAIM which I know little about but I'll take their word for it
 
IIRC ? what does it mean ?
 
3:49 PM
the organogold one seems neat, is the R-group something big?
> if I remember correctly
 
thanks
 
"Just" phenyl groups, actually!
 
big to me, but not as big as stuff that gets added sometimes
 
hmm, yeah. We've been learning about some higher analogues of alkynes and they stick the hugest groups ever on those things to stabilise them.
 
3:57 PM
@pentavalentcarbon i don't have the tool to encode in RSA... can you send me?
 
pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/om700388b "Ar*-Pb-Pb-Ar*, Ar* = C6H3-2,6-(C6H2-2,4,6-iPr3)2)"
 
@pentavalentcarbon pastebin.com/raw/BFAQcFMc
 
MP2 on an organometallic complex ಠ_ಠ
@DHMO "testing"?
 
@pentavalentcarbon nice
 
4:05 PM
:D
 
!!img/ortho cresol
 
@orthocresol ^ 3;)
 
That was my old display picture.
 
I had a feeling ;P
!!img/para cresol
 
4:17 PM
 
Jan
What actually made you turn into a seal @ortho? I can’t remember …
 
@Jan I can't remember either :D
 
Jan
The seal of silence must have been placed above the answer.
 
Well, seals have a lot of fat in them...
 
4:19 PM
@pentavalentcarbon Was that supposed to be rude? If so.... X'D
 
IRL I'm actually a rather small guy.
Maybe it was my desire to become fatter so that I could survive the winter.
 
No, I was thinking of it's a solid at rt...I don't know where I was going with it tbh
 
Jan
Caught another late answer. Only missing ten late answers to break even with Todd! \o/
 
I sense a copycat in the midst...
 
!!img/Jan
 
4:28 PM
 
As expected :3
!!img/cis-platin
 
Darn, he's/its good ._.
 
Which of NH3 and Cl have the best trans-effect ?
 
Cl-
 
4:34 PM
@Hexacoordinate-C I haven't studied the trans-effect yet...
Cl-
 
Hmm, I could have sworn it's NH3, but it's actually Cl-.
 
It is ^_^
 
I remember an exam where the first question was how to make cis- and trans-platin
 
!!img/ph13
 
No result found.
 
4:36 PM
@Hexacoordinate-C What exam was that?
 
Inorganic chemistry
 
!!img/hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane
 
Jan
Okay, peoples, I shall be off again. We’re having a Glühwein and Feuerzangenbowle evening to celebrate November xD
 
@pentavalentcarbon I love the symmetry :D
@Jan ._.
 
4:39 PM
@Jan can you repeat please
 
That's a terrible picture, it's wrong
 
Jan
!!wiki/Glühwein
 
Mulled wine is a beverage of European origins usually made with red wine along with various mulling spices and sometimes raisins. It is served hot or warm and may be alcoholic or non-alcoholic. It is a traditional drink during winter, especially around Christmas and Halloween. == Origins == Wine was first recorded as spiced and heated in Rome during the 2nd century. The Romans travelled all across Europe, conquering much of it and trading with the rest. The legions brought wine and viticulture with them up to the Rhine and Danube rivers and to the Scottish border bringing their recipes with them...
 
Jan
!!wiki/Feuerzangenbowle
 
Feuerzangenbowle (German: [ˈfɔʏɐtsaŋənˌboːlə]) is a traditional German alcoholic drink for which a rum-soaked sugarloaf is set on fire and drips into mulled wine. It is often part of a Christmas or New Year's Eve tradition. The name translates literally to fire-tongs punch. The popularity of the drink was boosted in Germany by the 1944 film comedy Die Feuerzangenbowle. It is a traditional drink of some German fraternities, who also call it Krambambuli, as the red colour is reminiscent of a cherry liqueur of that name which was manufactured by the distillery Der Lachs zu Danzig (in Gdańsk). ��2...
 
Jan
4:42 PM
1 hour ago, by orthocresol
93 messages moved to Chemobot
 
@orthocresol good luck to move them again
 
Ah, yes...*that*
 
...
-_-
 
@Hexacoordinate-C ?
 
4:48 PM
@getafix Ok, you can view my latest comedy of errors.
 
Does anyone happen to know if there's a difference between 'Anxiolytic drugs' and 'Anti-depressant drugs'?
They kinda sound the same ._.
@Jan @orthocresol Ideas?
 
Anxiety $\neq$ depression
 
Anxiety=depression?
I doubt it :/
 
$\neq$ is ≠
 
ah
But when it comes to naming drugs...I'm not sure if that piece of logic holds ._.
 
4:56 PM
Why?
Anti-anxiety is not the same as anti-depression.
 
Science is full of weird conventions ._.
I won't take any chances...
 
well just read the wiki page then
 
Jan
5:14 PM
I’m not a pharmacist. I could ask my dad but not before he didn’t get the next thesis chapters for correction xD
 
0
Q: Is there a difference between anti-anxiety and anti-depression drugs?

Aaron AbrahamI've recently come across two terms "Anxiolytic drugs" and "Anti-depressant drugs". I wanted to know, how they differ from each other, if they do. I mean, sure, "anxiety" isn't the same as "depression" but do the effects of these drugs differ widely? For example, Chlorodiazepoxide is classified...

Darn, Health.SE is....empty
 
6:10 PM
@orthocresol YAAAY
I came back to find your meta post, but I couldn't.
Halp me please
Regardz
mar, kthxbye
 
@M.A.R. That's cause I lied
 
This is outrageous.
I should rant on meta about evil chemistry modaratorz
 
Downvoted thingy of the day, meta.SE
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Q: I must be a dirty reputation warrior to have some reputation?

xxxI've answered a question better than someone so they attacked me by down-voting all my answers using two accounts! That made me so angry but something inside me is telling me not to fight back and I can't take a decision! I feel like a group of people are fighting inside me (dignity, manners, pow...

 
 
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10:00 PM
!!greet/DSVA
 
Welcome to The Periodic Table DSVA! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, follow the instructions in this answer. Happy chatting!
 
hey
wow, I haven't been to an actual chat for years:-D
 
It's fun, but it tends to be not-serious.
 
10:19 PM
ah, there are too many serious things out there, having a little fun is fine. And it's nice to talk to other chemists
other than the ones in the lab:-P
 
talking to other people in the lab? ew
No one's here right now because most of the chatters are in Europe and Asia
 
10:34 PM
@DSVA Anyway, I have to run. Feel free to stop by the chat any time. To ping me (or anyone else, type @ then their username, like I did for you. I am better at responding on here than on reddit too :)
 
:-D thanks! Have a nice day
 

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