The Water Cooler

12:47 AM

@Lilienthal Make sure to not enter the address in the "To" field as you vent out. If you accidentally hit Send, the half-complete rant will make you look an idiot. Actually, I made it a habit to enter the address at the end in my "regular" emails as well.

Walfrat

6:47 AM

@MaskedMan And don't forget to start by adding the attachments ... before even writing the mail :P

Raoul Mensink

@Walfrat I love gmail since it says jo idiot you wrote attachment. Then add one

Raoul Mensink

7:04 AM

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Q: How to leave a good impression on a candidate who breaks down and ends up crying during an interview?

Imagine you are interviewing a candidate (for an internship*) who becomes nervous enough that they break down to the point of tears, resulting in a "no hire" because they cannot communicate their technical skills. You believe they might have sufficient technical skills but they were not able to d...

@enderland you bully!

enderland

11:50 AM

@RaoulMensink that scenario nearly happened to us today

Raoul Mensink

@enderland like I said bully!

i am assuming it was a girl

Richard U

12:09 PM

@Lilienthal one of the first things I was taught about job hunting was never even entertain a counter offer, and they gave a laundry list as to why. I thought it was beaten into everyone's head, apparently not.

Raoul Mensink

I don't see the Point of an Company doing so. Someone who wants to leave will leave one way or another.

Richard U

@RaoulMensink The reason a company would do this would be if the person was a key person who is literally the only one who knows what is going on. Usually, the tactic is to placate the person who wants to leave until you can bring other people up to speed. We just had an example, but in this case the guy was smart. Working one day a week for a huuge rate while he kept his new job.

Sometimes, it's a negotiated slow departure. But once that bell has been rung it cannot be unrung

Raoul Mensink

@RichardU thats a failure on company's side. which sadly happens to often :

enderland

@RaoulMensink nah. a lot of people are just really young and super nervous

you can't really solve this problem in an interview

Raoul Mensink

wel that happens i suppose. though I often dont understand why. You just have some more "grinding" to do.

enderland

12:22 PM

and some people who are self aware enough to realize they are "stuck" but also super nervous?

Raoul Mensink

my first one I ended up going over my holydays. Needless to say I got the Job :P

Richard U

@enderland I am an excellent interview, primarily because as a youth I would blow every last damn one of them.

enderland

Yeah, practice helps

Richard U

@RaoulMensink I've seen it time and time again. They let one friend of mine go, and literally could not replace him. He gave them a ridiculous consulting rate and they couldn't afford him. This current guy tried to pull the same thing, so they are actually paying him. He said, well, if they're going to pay me THAT much.... suffice it to say he's making more working 16 hours a week than he was making 40

@enderland. I had PLENTY of practice, LOL! Right decisions come from experience, experience comes from wrong decisions

Raoul Mensink

cool

enderland

12:35 PM

@RichardU yeah. the question I asked came from being super close to seeing this happen to us and I realized it'd be an awkward/difficult situation to deal with

I've my own ideas on how to address it but I am also curious what other folks come up with :-)

Richard U

12:49 PM

@enderland I think I'll pass at that question: Human emotions are very difficult for me to process.

My first sweeping downvote of a question and all it's answers. Not arbitrary, but all of it was just that bad

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Q: Professional looking Gmail, which one should I pick? Please help!

I believe Gmail is the best free email service out there. I don’t want to get my own domain name but I want my email address to look professional. I understand that firstname.lastname@gmail.com is probably the most professional looking email address anybody can get but it is not available for me....

professionalism resume communication email

enderland

1:04 PM

you've got to be getting close to enough rep to vote to delete too :P

Kaz

@RichardU I'll take Outlook over Gmail any day. Thanks to its' corporate customer (& Revenue) base, Microsoft has limitations on data-mining its' customers emails that Google does not.

Richard U

Google's slogan of "Don't be evil" still allows for all sorts of nasty neutrality, and everything shy of evil.

enderland

@RichardU I'm pretty sure they changed that

Richard U

@enderland in practice, at least.

Christopher Estep

1:38 PM

Google became evil when they killed Google Reader for no good reason while they (at the time) left Orkut up.

Not to mention Google+. That's so awful they could call it Google++ :)

enderland

buzz!

google has a tendency to half-ass stuff

like hangouts, which have gotten progressively worse as long as I remember

Christopher Estep

2:02 PM

agreed. I was really ticked when they forced Hangouts on people who were using the elegantly simple Google Chat.

Richard U

It's the old, "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.

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Stack Exchange

2:19 PM

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Q: Question Edited by another user, adding info that wasn't there before?

This question Employer asked me to leave the job in 30 days If you look at the edit history, you'll see that it's been edited by user58078, and the edit was approved. The problem as I see it is that this information wasn't given by the OP, so where did it come from and why was it approved?

discussion

enderland

2:31 PM

@ChristopherEstep I still use the old hangouts in gmail

#neverHangouts

welp. rep capped

Raoul Mensink

I had that yesterday T_T

enderland

I repcapped on Programmers like 5 days in a row because of this:

167

A: Does TDD make defensive programming redundant?

That's ridiculous. TDD forces code to pass tests and forces all code to have some tests around it. It doesn't prevent your consumers from incorrectly calling code, nor does it magically prevent programmers missing test cases. No methodology can force users to use code correctly. There is a sli...

Raoul Mensink

Well it is a hnq qeustion on a high vote rate site

enderland

@RaoulMensink PSE is not high vote rate, normally

Raoul Mensink

last I saw a Report of vote rates it was 3th

so I disagree, might have changed by now

enderland

2:41 PM

it gets a lot of questions on HNQ

but it's hard to get votes from the site regulars comparatively speaking

Christopher Estep

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Q: How can I limit or avoid social faux pas when I have a disability that makes it hard

I have Asperger's syndrome which makes it difficult for me to navigate the social aspects of the workplace, and I understand that other conditions such as depression, anxiety, et cetera can also cause difficulty in interacting with others at the workplace. I have tried several approaches in the ...

professionalism socializing disability

good question. I'd also be interested in how someone with Asperger's would help compensate in interviews. I don't have it but I know someone who does.

Raoul Mensink

" I'd also be interested in how someone with Asperger's would help compensate in interviews" help compensate? @ChristopherEstep

Richard U

@ChristopherEstep Personally, I studied sales techniques, body language, learned when to lean in to express interest. Every last movement and tone I have in an interview has been rehearsed to death. Oh, facial expressions too

enderland

@RichardU I've probably studied this less than you, but I find this really insightful as peoples subconscious cues give away a lot normally

Christopher Estep

@RaoulMensink Yes, help themselves compensate for the social deficiencies inherent in Asperger's Syndrome.

Raoul Mensink

2:49 PM

@ChristopherEstep Right, makes sense now thanks!

Kaz

@enderland Yeah. It's a strange dichotomy. On the one hand, subtle & subconscious social cues go completely over my head. On the other hand, having had to explicitly study people and body language and effective communication just to function effectively in the world, it means I consciously notice a lot of things that most people don't.

Richard U

@enderland Someone told me that because I studied it all so hard for so long that I am now better than most at it.

@kaz me too

Raoul Mensink

@Kaz I am pretty sure it still is an official term in europe (Response to your comment)

enderland

@Kaz one thing I think everyone should learn is basic body language

I'm but a novice in it, but you see people making obvious gestures (like, for example, touching your neck is a huge sign of insecurity/weakness/fear)

Kaz

@enderland Yeah. And then of course, it's one thing to know a lot about body language, it's quite another to consistently manage your own. Especially in social interactions when my brain is *already* rather preoccupied.

Richard U

2:55 PM

I get tired after a full day because my "default" affect communicates "angry person", when I'm not. I have to maintain an affect that shows that I am not angry.

enderland

@Kaz yeah

@RichardU I am an introvert, which means when someone says something, I think about it - but I give off an "angry face" that hardcore communicates "enderland thinks you are a moron" apparently :(

Kaz

3:26 PM

hey @RichardU, nice to see you back on Code Review

Masked Man

5:10 PM

One of the benefits of learning body language is that I can easily tell when the other person is faking it. I also happen to have a keen interest in reading about psychological sales tricks. The result is that no salesperson has ever sold me any crap that I wasn't explicitly looking to buy.

"Predictably Irrational" is a good book to read.

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Richard U

5:41 PM

@Kaz Thank you.,

enderland

6:21 PM

I edited this slightly to try to focus it to be a bit more on topic, as it's picking up close votes. — enderland ♦ 4 hours ago

Hmmm. I feel like this question is borderline on topic

how can it be edited to be more on topic? my edit apparently wasn't enough :\

Richard U

Uh oh, someone is upset that they're getting called on the carpet for being messy!

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Q: Offensive email is endorsed by the whole office, bosses included

In my office, we take dinnerware-related tasks in weekly turns that consist of getting dirty dishes and cutlery around the office, stuffing them in the dishwasher and organising them in cupboards, making sure nothing comes out dirty (and keeping that in the dishwasher, if it happens). We're 20-so...

professionalism unprofessional-behavior

@enderland I was very introverted before my stroke. Now I'm an extrovert

Aaron Hall

6:37 PM

Hmmm... the "hey!" guy's phone isn't "hey!"-ing any more. I wonder if someone finally told him... I'm just glad it wasn't me.

puzzlepiece87

6:49 PM

@Lilienthal More of your favorite questions: http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/141767/would-the-one-ring-work-if-it-was-worn-on-the-toe-instead-of-the-finger

That was my eyeroll for the day.

Richard U

that post was just prescioussssssssss

puzzlepiece87

Too bad we can't throw it into the fire, destroy it.

Christopher Estep

7:23 PM

@enderland I don't think it's that your edit wasn't enough, but a result of close lemmings.

Richard U

7:55 PM

@ChristopherEstep wanna see if we can get it reopened?

I think a few folks here feel that they've been cheated if they haven't used up all of their close votes in a day.

I think the most I ever did was 10

Christopher Estep

8:13 PM

I already voted to @RichardU

I'd love to abolish the review queue, at least for Close. Every question that's got a close vote or two doesn't need to be considered across the board.

Richard U

8:37 PM

@ChristopherEstep I agree. Once it gets in the queue, boooom! I doubt that many people bother to read the questions. When I go through the queue and am not sure it should be closed, I skip it, if I know it shouldn't I vote leave open, though I'm not sure if that has any effect

Rory Alsop

@ChristopherEstep - not lemmings. I make time to read every review item that I see. And that one was not good, in my opinion.

@enderland's edit may have helped

If I see an item that I think should be left open I vote that way, and if it should be closed I vote that way.

You may not like that this one was closed, but no need to assume people are voting blindly

(just realised you may be talking about a different question... Sorry)

Christopher Estep

9:02 PM

@RoryAlsop It's not directed at you specifically. But looking at dupe closes, it's obvious that there are many who don't even bother to read beyond the title because the question isn't even CLOSE to being a dupe. It happens too many times.

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