The Nineteenth Byte

flawr

5:00 PM

"The picture fell, but I nailed it!"

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ How is that one? ^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

not as good as the plain "Nailed it!"

flawr

hmm, unfortunately it is too short =/

"Nailed it, but is it going to hold?"?

Kritixi Lithos

"It's Hammer Time!"

How's that? ^

flawr

Haha=)

I think we've had that before=)

better something with "string"

"No strings attached!"

^ I think this one suits the challenge best

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah, I think so too

El'endia Starman

5:06 PM

Likewise.

flawr

Great, submitted=)

Let the golfing begin.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

cool

flawr

Thanks for the advice!

Nathan Merrill

started another game of Factorio: going for the achievement where you hand-craft as few items as possible :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Nathan Merrill

5:12 PM

it took forever to get to the blue constructor

but I'm starting to get things moving

New Main Posts

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Q: No strings attached!

Intro There are 3 nails in the wall. You've got a piece of string that is fixed to the picture frame with both ends. To hang the picture, you entangled the string with the nails. But before letting the picture go: Can you predict whether the image is going to fall, just by looking at how the str...

flawr

Wouldn't it be worth to expand the tag description of decision-problem a little bit, and include e.g. our definition of truthy and falsey. (also setting that as the default output)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah, I think so

flawr

Do we need a meta post for that?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

idk, I'm not the best at meta posts

Nathan Merrill

5:24 PM

@flawr I don't think so

flawr

@NathanMerrill Even when defining the truthy/falsey as default output?

Nathan Merrill

I can't think of a way to present a decision-problem without saying "output true or false"

and if the default simply expands "true" to "truthy", I think that that is so inconsequential

in essence, I think setting it as a default is so inconsequential that I probably wouldn't even include it, but it isn't an issue if it was because its inconsequential

New Main Posts

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Q: Output a pretty box

Your challenge is to exactly output the following box: .................................................. .................................................. .. .. .. .. .. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity

El'endia Starman

@NewMainPosts A wild Minkolang answer appeared!

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Saw and upvoted=)

Nathan Merrill

5:40 PM

Minkolang sounds like a pokemon

like, maybe it evolves into a Lickitung or something

Pavel

Guys I need help I just realized I don't know how to properly define 'builtin compression algorithm'

El'endia Starman

Ah shoot, it's invalid. Probably due to one of the little golfs I discovered while writing up the answer.

Nathan Merrill

its not "builtin" that's hard to define, its "compression"

Pavel

IK

halp

flawr

@Pavel Why don't you just omit that ban, it is not necessary.

Pavel

5:43 PM

Ok, fair enough.

Nathan Merrill

I feel like an advanced turtle-graphic golflang would do rather good here

ais523

@NathanMerrill There is such a language (Charcoal), but I don't know how it works

Pavel

V would probably do well

ais523

the "surround" bulitin that someone used seems like it would be useful in other cases too

I've found myself wishing for it in Prolog for a very different reason (that of handling edge cases in 2D problems)

muddyfish

@ais523 I mostly use it for formatting things to look table-like

@ais523 what reasons would they be?

ais523

5:56 PM

so for example, one question we had was about noughts-and-crosses

the most natural way to find identical symbols that are lined up is to concatenate the rows of the grid, then look for arithmetic progressions

but that also finds lines that "wrap around" the grid unless you put a bunch of padding around it

noughts-and-crosses is sufficiently small (3×3) that you can get enough padding using Windows newlines, but that doesn't work on similar larger problems

El'endia Starman

@flawr That was pretty cool. The signing on the right was definitely better; more crisp and more idiomatic.

muddyfish

I've actually had that problem in a golf - that builtin would have been extremely useful then, had I written Pyke

El'endia Starman

6:18 PM

Numberphile did a video on sandpiles!

Sandpiles - Numberphile

►

The pictures at the end are jaw-dropping.

I want to see this animation made into 3D. (From this gallery.)

Business Cat

That's freaky

Martin Ender

6:50 PM

@orlp I just watched A Link to the Past, Ducktales and the mystery game tournament. All very entertaining. :)

mbomb007

Developer Survey: Which fictional programmer am I most inspired by? Answer: Neo, The Matrix

Dennis

I wonder what the due process for changing a Community Ad is. I'd like to update the TIO ad with something a bit more similar to the new landing page, but I'm not sure if that should be an edit to the old ad, a new ad replacing the old one, a new ad in addition to the old one (probably not), or something else.

The language list is also severely outdated.

muddyfish

@Dennis you could ask on mother meta

DJMcMayhem

7:13 PM

(Not so) Fun fact: out of 161 sites on stack exchange, we had the tenth highest closure rate of 2016: 43.42%

Business Cat

That's only the tenth highest?

Hooooly

DJMcMayhem

Sauce:

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Q: 2016: a year in closing

A moderator asked me for data on the percentage of questions closed across all sites. This doesn't strike me as information that needs to be restricted to moderators, so for your idle enjoyment I present: Questions asked, closed and reopened for all sites in 2016 Site Name ...

discussion questions closed-questions statistics reopened-questions

Dennis

I guess that a natural consequence of disguising PPCG as a Q&A site.

DJMcMayhem

Interestingly enough, Christianity was second at 75.52%. something @El'endiaStarman might be interested in

Dennis

Yowza.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

7:18 PM

what's #1?

Business Cat

Ugh, it's not even sorted

Dennis

Well, sorted by what?

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Anime, 92.23%

Zgarb

It's apparently sorted by site ID

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

woah

Business Cat

7:19 PM

Well for all intents and purposes, it's unsorted

DJMcMayhem

@BusinessCat yeah, I used vim to sort them by percentage. It's easy to sort it by whatever I want in vim

Fantastic tool really

Business Cat

92.23% ?!

On Anime/Manga

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

that's a lot

Dennis

From where I'm standing, nothing is easy in vim. :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@BusinessCat ninja'ed

@DJMcMayhem how?

DJMcMayhem

7:21 PM

:sort! /\v.{65}/

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

woah vim has sort command TIL

DJMcMayhem

Sorts every line in reverse ignoring the first 65 characters of each line

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ah

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yeah, it's crazy powerful too. You can use regex to determine what to sort

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem what are you testing in the formatting sandbox?

*were you maybe

I see it on meta.se recently active

DJMcMayhem

7:25 PM

Oh, uh something weird with edits

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

what?

DJMcMayhem

Uh, kinda hard to explain. I'll show you my Meta post in a few minutes

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ah, ok

Kritixi Lithos

the meta post takes a minute to load

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

the formatting sandbox? of course it does, it's massive

Kritixi Lithos

7:28 PM

so much "junk"

DJMcMayhem

Fwiw I was testing the non-buggy behavior to verify that the buggy behavior is wrong

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ah

DJMcMayhem

Except that now it isn't working, haha

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

DJMcMayhem

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Q: Keep my comment when I load a new edit

I was just in the "First posts" review queue, and as I was writing a longish comment on one of the posts, I saw the An edit has been made to this post. Click here to reload bar at the top. Since I wanted to see if my comment was still accurate/relevant, I clicked on it. Unfortunately, this...

feature-request bug comments review

Dennis

7:35 PM

That reminds me: I've been wanting to complain about the This post has been deleted. thingie for quite some time.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem ah, I see

Mitch Schwartz

@DJMcMayhem i don't always correctly anticipate how i will be perceived. but i think also that people on this site could be more critical of their perceptions

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Dennis I get it for when you don't have enough rep to view deleted posts, but yeah it's a nuisance when you know it won't change much by refreshing

Dennis

It's more than that. When I delete an answer, I post a comment after deleting it because that way it will show up in the recipient's inbox.

Martin Ender

@Dennis Wait, it won't if you do it the other way round?

Dennis

7:40 PM

Briefly. Only until the post is deleted.

El'endia Starman

@DJMcMayhem That's higher than I would've expected, but it makes a lot of sense. We're a very popular destination for people who put zero effort into figuring out the site.

Dennis

That's what I've been told anyway.

brb abusing my sock

DJMcMayhem

@El'endiaStarman with "Truthy questions"?

(I know a tad about C.SE)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Dennis D: #sockrightsmatter

@Dennis mods can comment on deleted posts?

Dennis

Why not? They could also undelete the post, comment on it, then re-delete it.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

7:42 PM

true

Kritixi Lithos

Socks are humans too... or are they? >_>

Dennis

@MartinEnder Hm, deleted 5 minutes ago and it's still showing. I'll wait until the rep is subtracted, then I'll click the notification to see if it actually shows something.

Either was bad intel or I'm misremembering things.

Pavel

@KritixiLithos socks, by definition Are not humans.

orlp

7:58 PM

@MartinEnder sorry, I was busy at my grandpa's funeral

Martin Ender

@orlp my condolences :(

El'endia Starman

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, mostly. We get a lot of people thinking that we're like all the other Christianity-focused forums out there.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman didn't we have a challenge about these things at some point?

El'endia Starman

@flawr We did; it focused solely on the state of an infinite-grid sandpile after n grains dropped in the center.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman ah right.

oh I even answered it...

muddyfish

8:10 PM

@El'endiaStarman what are the differences between Christianity.SE and other places?

El'endia Starman

@muddyfish Primarily that we have a strict Q&A format and that any group that calls themselves "Christian" is Christian for the purpose of the site.

The first reason is common to SE sites and the differences between them and typical forums. :P

muddyfish

What would other places be like then?

I'm not sure what other use a forum would have

El'endia Starman

I dunno; I don't go to those other places.

muddyfish

apart from possibly a social area

flawr

@StewieGriffin How was your pizza?

betseg

8:39 PM

Native speakers: how do you pronounce schedule?

Pavel

Skeh-jool

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

sked-jool

@muddyfish mostly a specific sect of christianity

or s/sect of christianity/set of beliefs/

Business Cat

I cringe when people pronounce it "sheh-jool"

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ye

skeh vs sked is more of an accent thing than anything else I think

muddyfish

@betseg ske-duel

Business Cat

8:43 PM

It's understandable depending where you're from

Sch is pronounced like sh in German iirc

betseg

Yes. I learn German as the second foreign language.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ah

Pavel

ske-Joule

Like the unit

Stewie Griffin

@flawr Very nice :)

Realized my submission was wrong though :(

I have a new one now, 82 bytes...

The sad thing is: I think it's very well golfed, but I stop at 82 :/

flawr

@StewieGriffin with or without pineapple?

Stewie Griffin

8:51 PM

Without :(

Anonymous

Good

Business Cat

Pineapples are heresy

flawr

Pineapple on pizza is divine.

Stewie Griffin

Pineapple are reserved for Hawaiian pizzas...

Mistah Figgins

pineapple is a disgrace to the word apple

Anonymous

8:54 PM

People who eat pineapple on pizza are not to be trusted

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@StewieGriffin why is that sad

Mistah Figgins

i agree except for the part where it has to be on pizza

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Mego TIL don't trust flawr

flawr

@MistahFiggins do you prefer apple on pizza?? O_O

Anonymous

I like pineapple by itself. I can respect food that tries to eat me back. But pineapple on pizza is blasphemy.

betseg

8:56 PM

^

Stewie Griffin

In Norwegian, pineapple is called Ananas... Norwegians that aren't fluent in English tend to ask for "an anus", when asking for pineapples abroad...

flawr

@Mego Let's ask christianity.SE to judge that XD

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> tries to eat me back

what kind of messed up pineapple do you have

muddyfish

I like pineapple. I have it nearly every day

Mistah Figgins

@flawr umm... no, definitely not...

flawr

8:57 PM

@StewieGriffin It's called ananas in the whole civilized world!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@StewieGriffin can confirm many norwegians around here

muddyfish

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it's extremely acidic

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ah

Mistah Figgins

@muddyfish I'm good with the flovar of pineapple, but its the texture that gets me

Stewie Griffin

@flawr And everyone asks for anuses?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

8:57 PM

I know that, just didn't think that's what he was referring to

muddyfish

I also like it on pizza as long as it's not dry

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@StewieGriffin well, so do some hispanics but yeah pretty much

flawr

@muddyfish You mean like a pizza-soup?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

it's less norwegians more mexicans, I live in so cal

Anonymous

@muddyfish That's not why. Pineapple contains enzymes that try to break down the inside of your mouth while you eat it.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

8:58 PM

.... wat

muddyfish

@Mego that as well

flawr

@Mego I mean it is nothing but fair.

Mistah Figgins

@muddyfish That's not a turn off for me. (I may or may not eat lemons raw at times)

betseg

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ did you ever put a slice of pineapple on your tongue? Don't do that for long. It feels strange as the pineapple eats you.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I have not

Anonymous

8:59 PM

Pineapple

The pineapple (Ananas comosus) is a tropical plant with edible multiple fruit consisting of coalesced berries, also called pineapples, and the most economically significant plant in the Bromeliaceae family. Pineapples may be cultivated from a crown cutting of the fruit, possibly flowering in 5-10 months and fruiting in the following six months. Pineapples do not ripen significantly after harvest. Pineapples can be consumed fresh, cooked, juiced, or preserved. They are found in a wide array of cuisines. In addition to consumption, the pineapple leaves are used to produce the textile fiber piña in...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I am mildly allergic to pineapple so I avoid it

muddyfish

@flawr no

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

it causes awful hives

Business Cat

Wtf, we do we eat these

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr mmm pizza soup is good

Anonymous

8:59 PM