The Nineteenth Byte

9:01 PM

Hmm, actually, come to think of it, in my experience, French words are the prime offender in not being pronounced the way they're spelt. Spanish, Portuguese, and German, I can approximate them. French? Not a chance. :P

DJMcMayhem

^

Fatalize

French pronunciation is much more consitent with regards to spelling than English. But it has a lot of rules to understand how to pronounce things

DJMcMayhem

They take the last 4-5 letters and make them silent

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hallo

DJMcMayhem

Hai

flawr

9:02 PM

@El'endiaStarman Sure, different combinations of letters result in different sounds, but once you know all of them it is really easy to write down words that you heard but never read.

Rainbolt

My mispronounced words were mostly from video games. From Baldur's Gate I got "melee" (mee-lee).

Adnan

hello

flawr

And vice versa.

Rainbolt

Or maybe that was smash brothers that taught me that word...

flawr

@Fatalize ^ i agree

El'endia Starman

9:03 PM

@Rainbolt I learned the right pronunciation because of Smash Bros Melee. :P

Conor O'Brien

@El'endiaStarman I can approximate french well :P

Rainbolt

I also said bosghetti as a toddler, kinda like the vampires in "What We Do in the Shadows"

Jonathan Allan

For review - added a leader board to codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/90593/53748 - it is descending (since it's cops n' robbers style) and removes those answers with "cracked" in the header...

accepted :)

flawr

@DJMcMayhem I'm learning a lot=)

Nathan Merrill

@DJMcMayhem I always thought it was ignore every other consonant

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

9:23 PM

Would compiling brainf*** to another language be consider an interesting challenge

Whoops

I mean vice versa

Compiling a language down to brainf***

Nathan Merrill

been done I believe, but it largely depends on the language

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Like write a compiler in any turing complete language subset (except brainf*** and deriviateives) which receives source of that same language to convert into valid bf code which performs identical.

@NathanMerrill i know there is a C to bf compiler

@NathanMerrill but some languages could be interesting to see. I don't know if it owuld be a good fit for this site

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman though in French they are pronunciation rules compared to English where it's just... idk

Nathan Merrill

I don't want to compile any language I want to write in

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Doorknob may I please point out the starboard and issues with a certain user. I didnt think the spam or offensive flags were warranted, but I just wanted to inform you of it.

El'endia Starman

9:26 PM

@Downgoat Well, English has them too. It's just that we (ahem) "borrowed" words from a bunch of languages, so the pronunciations come from those languages.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill maybe the compiler does not necessarily have to be written in the language to be compiled down from?

Bald Bantha

I don't know what people will think of this so I'm just throwing it out there on the sandbox

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Esolang Interpreters Using a programming language from this version of this list, write an interpreter for the next language on the list. For example, an interpreter for LOLCODE would have to be written in LOLA. This is codegolf, so the lowest score in bytes wins.

Nathan Merrill

@RohanJhunjhunwala then it largely depends on the language you choose to compile

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman wat English has pronunciation rules? TIL

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill I wanted it to be a pop-con sort of challenge, but it seems that there isn't much love for pop-cons

Nathan Merrill

9:28 PM

when you think "popularity-contest", think "human-judged"

if it requires human judgement for accuracy, its a good popcon

if its a challenge about making the most popular X, its off topic

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

So you would say that it does not seem to be a good fit?

Nathan Merrill

not as a pop-con

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Perhaps if I defined a language X to be compiled?

Downgoat

@RohanJhunjhunwala pop cons are fine but they result in under defined challenge

paticularially art contests

Nathan Merrill

and make it a code-golf, sure. You just have to find a good language that isn't too hard or too easy to compile

Downgoat

9:30 PM

is there a meta on art contests?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill it would be a language of this sort

<self-promotion>
https://github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.L.O.S
</self-promotion type:shameless>

Downgoat

> type:shameless

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I would probably modify some of the features

Downgoat

how to valid HTML?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Like randomness

@Downgoat cause <self-promotion> is a valid html tag?

Nathan Merrill

9:31 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala maybe. Realize that SILOS doesn't have a huge amount of people that understand it, so you'll need a great post to sell it

its not valid XML

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Thinking of it: The swiss french does have some difference to the french french, most germans probably won't understand most swiss german dialects and the official german in switzerland is different from the german german. Then the "italian speaking part" has dialects that even italians across the border do not understand.

(And then there is romash.)

Nathan Merrill

the attribute goes on the opening tag like type="shameless"

:)

Downgoat

^^

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill I would strip it down in features. No randomness modified IO (i.e read a single byte value) etcetera etcetera. It wouldnt necessarily be exactly SILOS just some turing complete syntax with a minimal amount of features (while still being readable)

flawr

Too bad there is no swiss english.

Nathan Merrill

9:34 PM

realize that parsing is a big enough task

those convenient "split" functions you were using to parse?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Yeah string parsing is nonexistent in most languages

Nathan Merrill

that said, its not infeasible, and you may get a couple of participants

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Because I would love to see a way to compile something readable into bf

But I need to still flesh out this concept

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Esolang Interpreters Using a programming language from this version of this list, write an interpreter for the next language on the list. For example, an interpreter for LOLCODE would have to be written in LOLA. This is codegolf, so the lowest score in bytes wins.

Releasing Helium Nuclei

> 5,994 questions

i hope 6000th one will be nice

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

9:42 PM

I must have the 6000'th question

I'll theme it too

El'endia Starman

@DJMcMayhem There are actually a number of words there that I was corrected on. At least my excuse is that I'm deaf... :P

Nathan Merrill

@NewSandboxedPosts I want to be the one that writes Marbelous in Manufactoria

flawr

deaf is another word: I just recently noticed it is not pronounced deef

Geobits

10:25 PM

You mean with the double-e sound from been?

flawr

@Geobits or beef, right=)

Or weak

Geobits

Been and beef don't really use the same sound though. Joke failed.

trichoplax

How are they pronounced over there?

Geobits

Beef with the long e, like bean or seen. Been more like ben or bin, depending.

Leaky Nun

@Geobits neutralization of vowel in been to schwa?

trichoplax

10:35 PM

@Geobits Ah - we have "bin" as a regional accent, but I generally hear (and say) "been" as "bean"

Geobits

The only time I hear been as bean is if someone is overexaggerating a terrible accent.

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Syxer

So I may have made an interesting mistake just now

Geobits

@LeakyNun Hmm. I thought a schwa was more of an 'uh' sound.

Conor O'Brien

@Syxer oh?

Leaky Nun

10:36 PM

@Geobits oh, so it's neutralization, but to the short /ɪ/ sound instead of completely to the schwa

Conor O'Brien

@NewMetaPosts did you get up late today?

Geobits

Yeah, pretty much. But also very commonly as you'd say Ben. Probably even more common than bin.

Syxer

@ConorO'Brien Out of curiosity if I could find any secrets about FNAF (yes, I'm a nerd), I golismero'd www.scottgames.com.

There were 1905 subdomains found in the brute-force subdomain resolver.

Conor O'Brien

o_o

Syxer

My computer is screaming

Downgoat

10:38 PM

;_; to get into AP comp sci i need to know java

Syxer

@Downgoat welcome to my life

trichoplax

@Syxer Have you tried moving the mike away from the speaker?

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat They don't teach it to you? :P

DJMcMayhem

@Syxer what are they?

Syxer

@DJMcMayhem I'm not posting that in chat lol

DJMcMayhem

10:39 PM

Email it to me?

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Q: Exploded view of a string

Don't you love those exploded-view diagrams in which a machine or object is taken apart into its smallest pieces? Let's do that to a string! The challenge Write a program or function that inputs a string containing only printable ASCII characters; dissects the string into groups of non-sp...

code-golf string

Syxer

They're all legit - no randomly named ones or anything.

Conor O'Brien

I'm in comp sci principles. it's beautiful. the teacher said we can use any language we want for the final project

Syxer

Stuff like manage, investor, miami, ibmdb, etc.

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien they do in the "intro to programming" classes but im trying to jump straight into AP comp sci

if i can't get in ill take comp sci principles

Geobits

10:40 PM

@ConorO'Brien So naturally you're using the most terrible esolang you can find, right? Right??

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat ah

Syxer

Lots of town names and such.

@Downgoat Do you know any OOP based languages?

Conor O'Brien

@Geobits I would, but it's being sent to college board. the people grading wouldn't have any idea what it was :P

Downgoat

@Syxer JS? Cheddar? Swift?

> • Write, run, test, and debug solutions in the Java programming language, utilizing standard Java library classes and interfaces from the AP Java subset;

Syxer

@Downgoat Sorta, probably not, and no.

Downgoat

10:40 PM

god so much java

Syxer

You'll be fine.

Downgoat

:D

Syxer

People with no programming experience went into APCS in my school and made a 5.

Geobits