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10:01 PM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan new challenge xd
 
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Q: Visualize chain rule

Leaky NunDefinition The chain rule with two functions state that: D[f(g(x))] = f'(g(x)) * g'(x) Or, alternatively: D[f1(f2(x))] = f1'(f2(x)) * f2'(x) The chain rule with three functions state that: D[f(g(h(x)))] = f'(g(h(x))) * g'(h(x)) * h'(x) Or, alternatively: D[f1(f2(f3(x)))] = f1'(f2(f3(x)...

 
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@aditsu here -- any idea how to golf __0<\G,>| (A between B and C)?
 
10:18 PM
April 1st anyone?
 
More like July 27th
 
That's tommorow
Whats happening tommorow?
 
I'm from the future.
 
but does that mean I'll have to be extra careful about all links?
dQw4... That one right?
 
I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
10:30 PM
@LeakyNun Ouais, je ferais confiance Tux sur le francais; il est francophone :P
@muddyfish That's the VEVO one yeah. Although clever people use mirrors of it
 
@quartata oui, je sais qu'il est francophone
 
Does anyone experience vastly slower internet on their Android phone/tablet compared to their PC on the same connection?
 
@HelkaHomba If I'm using Tor, yes
 
@LeakyNun Sometimes I wish I could see into other people heads and see what it's like to think in a language other than English
 
Someone just downvoted three of my challenges at once
 
10:31 PM
@LeakyNun Don't worry about it, if it's serial voting it'll get reverted in a bit
 
@quartata lol
@quartata how does this work?
 
@quartata Meh... 3 votes isn't detected I think
 
@muddyfish I mean just normally. Speedtest on Android for me has gotten up to 30Mbps so I know it can but it normally hovers from 2-5
 
@Zizouz212 More will be though
 
Unless the same user voted before
 
10:32 PM
I'm not sure whether to blame Google or Comcast
 
@LeakyNun Cron job that detects patterns in user voting (i.e someone up/down voting one person over and over again)
 
@quartata alright
 
@HelkaHomba I would definitely blame Comcast.
 
@quartata when you learn another language you basically can think in that language, so
it's not like i think in cantonese and then translate everything into English
I think in English directly
 
10:33 PM
Yeah, but you have to have learned that language really really well.
I don't usually get much of an opportunity to use any of my languages other than French
 
@quartata sure
 
That being said, I didn't mean "ok how do I translate this... let's see what is I would make"
I meant more just idle thoughts being in a different language
 
@quartata I want to ;) but my PC gets fine speeds at the same time
 
@quartata Peux-tu penser en francais?
 
Unless Comcast is selectively slowing down my phone's connection...
 
10:36 PM
@HelkaHomba does it occur on all networks?
 
@LeakyNun Si je parle en francais oui
 
@quartata that would be interesting, but I think the most interesting part would be other people's thoughts, not the language.
 
@quartata exactement
 
@NathanMerrill not sure
 
Like, I think very verbally. I wonder if everyone else does too.
 
10:36 PM
that seems like the next test to me.
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I don't think so, because each language has their own logic and their own way of thinking. For example, in French, the adjective usually comes after the noun, which would make you think of the noun before the adjective, in some sense.
 
@TùxCräftîñg here you go: http://pastebin.com/CLJVz8k2
I made some assuptions:
- I changed `p` and `P` for inc/dec pointer to `t` and `T` to avoid the conflict.
- Popping from empty stack produces error to `STDERR` and terminates program.
- Doubling forumla: `(cell * 2) mod FFFFFF`.
- Input (`O`) overwrites the value at the pointer with that char code. The ASCII value is also taken `mod FFFFFF`.
- While loops use the function on top of the stack without popping it.
that took longer than I expected it too....
 
but even if it didn't occur on other networks, I'd still consider it to be a bad network setting on your phone
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Same. That's why it's interesting to me; how different the "structure" of the thoughts are
Like, a lot of languages have idioms to them that are learnable but I think it would be interesting to see how deeply rooted some of those idioms are in thoughts of native speakers
One abstract thought could be "thought" in very different ways depending on a language's idioms
Ugh, gotta make unit tests for this new Cinnamon Gum feature. :/
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I definitely don't think everyone thinks verbally/audiotorially; indeed I wouldn't be surprised if visual thinkers were more common. Hmm... maybe there's some statistics on that
 
I can read the french you posted but I couldn't write it anymore (I stopped studying French last year)
 
10:45 PM
@quartata Except that it would be really hard to objectively measure.
 
@muddyfish Juste essaie et apprends par faute :)
 
Wouldn't need to be, most people have enough metacognition just to say "Hmm I think I think like this"
 
I'm pretty sure recent psychology says that the question "What kind of learner/thinker are you" is fundamentally flawed
everybody learns better if you make a visual
not just a percentage of the population
 
Except the blind.
2
 
lol, true
 
10:48 PM
:31311369 Not very visual
 
Yeah, I think the way people use the question "What kind of learner are you" is flawed because I don't think prechewing knowledge like that really helps make the thought process easier
 
I'd love to be learner by osmosis
 
@flawr Braille is mostly about the position of the dots, no? I could see people visualizing that
 
I think actually doing makes you learn - codegolf makes it easier for me to create an algorithm in my head (not a very efficient one though)
 
That's the difference between "visual learner == I learn by looking at things" and "visual learner == when I learn something I think about it visually"
@flawr hehehe
 
10:49 PM
oh no, I just realized python also has % formatting... brb removing that from cheddar :P
 
@Downgoat It's OK, it's good for golf
 
@quartata Still, you can't learn everything by thinking about it visually
 
@Downgoat remove str.__mod__ or something
 
@flawr Well, no.
 
@quartata It is about the position, but when you read it, you feel the letter, pretty much the same as you read a printed letter, where you don't think about the shape.
 
10:51 PM
@flawr Yeah that's true, I'm sure it eventually becomes instinctive. But what about learning it?
 
@Quill is it possible to have mocha/istanbul ignore some files?
 
@quartata I did a few years ago=)
 
.mochaignore?
 
(Not very fast tough)
 
@flawr I just mean that visual thinkers would most likely think about the dot positions visually
Also whoa that's cool you learned Braille?
 
10:53 PM
The backdraw with braille (compared to reading printed stuff) is that it is difficult to skim through or get the big picture.
 
Yeah, you'd have to be pretty good just to swipe your fingers across it and get it immediately
And since most people go blind later in life they aren't exactly learning Braille "natively"
 
Everything, everytime, but every day
because logic
 
@quartata I never met a blind person who could do this.
 
@flawr Would be pretty damn cool
 
I think my sleep patterns are breaking down - It's midnight and I haven't even considered going to bed yet.

Damn parents leaving me home alone and not telling me when to go to bed
 
10:55 PM
@quartata Sure, for learning this is the way to go, but as soon as you're actually reading stuff a little bit quicker you just feel the letters or even the words.
 
Also, what teams are you guys on?
 
What kind of teams?
 
Pokemon go
 
@muddyfish What teams are there?
 
instincts, valor and mystic
literally if you google team theyre all there
 
1 hour without an answer to my challenge :o
 
@LeakyNun I didn't find it very interesting
 
@muddyfish oh, alright, thanks for the feedback
 
@quartata If you're interested, I recommend this site: english.fakoo.de/braille-learn.html
 
Tanglea - really?
 
11:00 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why did you close the string-stdlib PR?
 
@flawr this doesn't exactly go to your tactile memory..
 
@muddyfish My impression is that it's not slimy, just viny. I may be wrong
 
And I should not have googled that
 
Gotta be better than Grime and Koffing
 
@LeakyNun Sure, that's what I said.
@muddyfish Flying spaghetti monster?
 
11:03 PM
@flawr Doesn't fly
 
Ermmm
 
@Mego Seems to be working now.
 
@HelkaHomba Sitting spaghetti monster?
 
Oh man, this new CG feature is gonna be great.
 
11:06 PM
Ȟ͓̰̾ͮ̃E̼̼̫̜̮ͅ ͖̮͎̥̃̒ͭ̏̚͟ͅC͖̯̱͒̓͆͐ͅǑ̷̥̥̲̯̰́̆ͣ͊̾Mͦ҉̼̮̝̜̪̥ͅE̝͕̠͕̭̹ͭ̉S̝ͧͧͤ̐ͣ͋
 
@Dennis Can you pull Cinnamon Gum?
 
Done.
 
Awesome, thanks.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ cinnamon-gum.tryitonline.net/…
3 bytes
decompressed it's i`g
exciting times
This will allow for a lot more variety
 
@Downgoat Congratulations!
@flawr geometry series?
 
11:17 PM
@LeakyNun on?
 
@Downgoat on your Cheddar answer
is it the first?
 
@Downgoat What exactly does vfuse do? The code looks like it casts everything to a string or something
@LeakyNun No
 
@quartata oh, alright
 
cheddar> input.chars.map((l,i,a)->a[i-1]=='^'?' '+l:l=='^'?'':l+' ').turn(3)
["   denifednud   denifednug       denifednul    denifednuN denifednuP    denifednu+ ", "abcdenifednu +efdenifednu  + hijkdenifednu  - Mdenifednu Odenifednu  (Agdenifednu )"]
wat
 
@Downgoat Congratulations anyway
 
11:18 PM
@quartata same as .join("\n") vfuse = vertical fuse
it goes with fuse which basically does .join("")
@LeakyNun oh thanks :D
@LeakyNun my second answer that isn't just showing off a single built-in
 
Why isn't it a method though?
 
@Downgoat Consider making quick-ref?
 
@quartata What's the point of a method in which has no args?
@LeakyNun ref of what?
 
Because having it as a field looks weird?
 
@Downgoat eh, all the methods
 
11:20 PM
@quartata I like it that way
it looks neat
@LeakyNun >_> that'll take a while but im looking at doing stdlib docs soon
 
@Downgoat alright
Consider answering catalogs?
Oh, you answered some catalogs already
@Downgoat Eh, what's the difference between : and |>?
 
@LeakyNun I've had to make the range operator which was previously :, to |> because : caused bugs with ternaries
@LeakyNun speaking of that I need to update cheddar's showcase >_>
 
@Downgoat i was about to mention the showcase
 
@Downgoat link?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ voici
 
11:33 PM
@LeakyNun merci
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ de rien
 
@Downgoat some of them are out of date and wrong :P
 
yes, I'm fixing right now
idk what to do for len 1
 
@Downgoat merged to the wrong place
@Downgoat just do a number :P
 
@Downgoat do turn for len 7 :p
 
11:39 PM
what to do for length 5?
@LeakyNun len 7 is variable assignment which imo is pretty important >_>
perhaps for a larger one
 
@Downgoat no, len 8 is variable assignment
 
@Downgoat link to it?
 
@LeakyNun outdated assignment
7 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ voici
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ alright
 
current is var a=3
 
11:41 PM
@Downgoat vfuse
 
maybe .chars and .bytes
 
@Downgoat fn.id :3
 
@Downgoat no ternary operator?
 
alternatively, false
 
@LeakyNun oh yes
good idea
 
11:43 PM
@Downgoat I thought there was an is operator?
 
@Downgoat oh i just saw it here
I didn't scroll down
 
uhh
@Downgoat
cheddar> "asdf\n3422"
"asdfn3422"
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ try literal newline
 
@LeakyNun doesn't work in repl :P
 
Mini-challenge: Write a program that prints your username where every non-colon/semicolon/whitespace character has a colon/semicolon to its left or right so it looks like a bunch of faces
 
11:45 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ are you updated?
 
@Downgoat I should be :/
 
@HelkaHomba ":L::e::a::k::y: :N::u::n:
 
cheddar> "upgoat\ndowngoat"
"upgoat
downgoat"
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ wat
 
@LeakyNun language?
 
@HelkaHomba pyth, but I think many languages work too
 
11:46 PM
@HelkaHomba "Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ".chars.map((a)->":"+a).fuse
 
The colons aren't part of your username
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ do you have any ideas for len 8/len 10-13 snippets? Feel free to edit some in if you'd like
 
@Downgoat okai :3
 
@HelkaHomba :"Leaky Nun""(\S)"":$1:
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ golfed/fixed: "Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ".chars.map(a->":%s"%a).fuse
 
11:48 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I mean the program has to have the faces and output your plain name. Like if ":L::e::a::k::y: :N::u::n: output Leaky Nun
 
@HelkaHomba could you testcase?
 
@Downgoat oh, you added the the format operator!
 
@HelkaHomba eh, that isn't exactly what you said
 
yup used it in this answer
 
@LeakyNun It is ambiguous. I mean the program should have the faces, not the output
 
11:50 PM
@HelkaHomba Is it even possible?
 
Probobaly in some esolang
 
:"L:ea:ky: N:un:"\:k
It is possible
 
Just by coincidence that the : operator is replace
 
11:54 PM
":Ga:mr:Co:rp:s:"':/ does this count? convex.tryitonline.net/…
 
Yes! p:
 
CMC: validate a program for Helka's challenge
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Retina, 35 bytes: ^((?!(?<!:).(?!:))[^:;\s]|[:;\s])*$
 
CMC: validate a program for Conor's challenge
 
@HelkaHomba impossible
 
11:58 PM
CMC: prove that the previous CMC is impossible
 
CMC: make no more CMC's
 

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