The Nineteenth Byte

Destructible Watermelon

10:05 AM

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So, what do you think?

TùxCräftîñg

i see ಠ_ಠ

brb (really this time)

back

user214599

Hi

user214599

Should I make a challenge about the magic 8 ball

zyabin101

10:39 AM

@LegionMammal978 I am waiting in the GoL room.

Optimizer

10:51 AM

and you somehow use your mod abuse hammer to selectively decide what was more pointless and was not..

ArtOfCode

→ 29 messages moved to Trashcan

Destructible Watermelon

nobody trashes my meaningful discussions! \(dOb)–/¯¯|¯˚ ¯ ¯

ArtOfCode

better?

Optimizer

I still prefer nothing to be moved

TùxCräftîñg

WHY

ArtOfCode

10:52 AM

meh, if it's getting noisy and pointless it's gonna get trashed

keeps the room tidier

TùxCräftîñg

WHY TRASHED TAXCRUFTING

Destructible Watermelon

SO INSTEAD WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT YOUR JUDGEMENT ON OUR CONVERSATION

Optimizer

tbh, 70% of the time its noisy and pointless.

Destructible Watermelon

SO TIDY

ArtOfCode

i give up

Destructible Watermelon

10:53 AM

@ArtOfCode WAH WAH

Why didn't you move it to the trash? Was it so vile you thought no-one should see it?

also wtf why does the room keep refreshing

TùxCräftîñg

ok

i can talk \o/

ArtOfCode

@DestructibleWatermelon first room that came up on the trash list

Anyway... how about a return to your regularly scheduled programming? :)

zyabin101

@ArtOfCode Next on The Nineteenth Byte: "Perfect Discourse"

ArtOfCode

Followed by "Happy Families"

zyabin101

Followed by "Serial Radio Drama"

El'endia Starman

11:01 AM

@TùxCräftîñg, @DestructibleWatermelon, for some time now, you (and others) have been persistently annoying and unconstructive members of this chat room. This is not your personal playground. While I probably wouldn't have moved the messages that ArtOfCode did, you DO still have to respect the fact that he is a mod. Sure, mods aren't infallible, which is why, when you have an issue with one, you calmly wait until you can discuss the situation with another mod (preferably a PPCG mod).

14

TùxCräftîñg

:/

El'endia Starman

Complaining loudly is not the way to resolve such a situation.

(Urg, of all the things to wake up to in the morning...)

Optimizer

while its true that Tux and Destr... have been doing a little extra "fun" things... I think mods also have to agree to the fact that people are gonna chat off topic and sometimes it might get a little annoying for someone else.. That's just how public chat rooms work.

El'endia Starman

@Optimizer Yes. I personally wouldn't have moved the messages ArtOfCode did.

Optimizer

i am not talking about just this instance.

in general.. this moving to trash is becoming too frequent . . while the spam frequency is probably the same as last year.

Destructible Watermelon

11:12 AM

I am about to update my eseljik with interactive io

El'endia Starman

@Optimizer I think that what happened was that a critical mass of users got tired of it.

Destructible Watermelon

If you look at the star log, it becomes evident that this room tends to be a lot about offtopic stuff (not majorly, but it's there anyway)

El'endia Starman

It's also possible that it's due to the chat population increasing dramatically and the average age of participants decreasing significantly. I think it's natural for new, chatty members to goof off (like I once was and once did). With a larger chat population though, I think it becomes more likely that the goofiness will essentially reinforce itself (kinda like an echo chamber) and lead to whole hours of fluffy, low-calorie conversation.

@DestructibleWatermelon I've actually started to use my stars more on things that are interesting/on-topic, because I like seeing interesting stuff due to the stars of others.

user214599

Should I make a challenge?

Destructible Watermelon

@MatthewRoh Yes

Yes^Yes (Yes>2)

user214599

11:26 AM

It's called : How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

user214599

its a kolmogrov-complexity one

Destructible Watermelon

Cool

how many lines do you have t print?

zyabin101

@MatthewRoh Doing the tongue twister, eh?

user214599

Yes, but just letting programming languages do it.

Destructible Watermelon

A woodchuck would chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood, as much wood as it could chuck

El'endia Starman

11:27 AM

@MatthewRoh Sandbox it to make sure that no one else considers it a duplicate of the many kolmogorov-complexity challenges we have.

user214599

Sure!

user214599

but I haven't seen one yet

Destructible Watermelon

also it's how much wood *would* a wood chuck chuck

Optimizer

How much wood would a chuck norriss chuck

user214599

Chuck norris would chuck a forest

El'endia Starman

11:30 AM

@Optimizer All the wood on all the planets around all the stars in all the universes. And then one more.

Destructible Watermelon

I need to learn video editing

zyabin101

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked.
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?

user214599

@DestructibleWatermelon It's would/could. see THIS.

zyabin101

^^ Idea for tongue twister kolmogorov complexity

Optimizer

I don't think tongue twisters apply to code.

El'endia Starman

11:33 AM

@zyabin101 Oooh, that has a good amount of repetition. Sandbox it.

user214599

Oh darn. the sandbox is laggy.

Optimizer

what will happen? you will stubmle and swithc characters?

user214599

pickled peppers?

Destructible Watermelon

All the coolest SE sites have a special icon. We need a cool icon too

user214599

This document is a stubmarine. please edit more to help us.

zyabin101

11:35 AM

@DestructibleWatermelon We'll get it only within the design.

Which will come in 6-8 months...

Destructible Watermelon

;_; y SE structuring do this

Katenkyo

@El'endiaStarman I'd add that if your messages (@TùxCräftîñg and @DestructibleWatermelon) are trashed often by different mods, it means you often cross the line between chatty and spammy

So instead of complaining, just try to refrain your pulses to output 15 messages/minute :p

Destructible Watermelon

It happened one other time to me

user214599

:O

Destructible Watermelon

I probably should learn to put all my messages on one line

Katenkyo

11:40 AM

@DestructibleWatermelon I often use 2/3 messages too, that's not the problem here

Problem comes when 50+ images of pokemon mixing are posted within minutes, when the chat is full of "trololol caret caret caret that !" and things

I'm not targeting you specifically, but that's what I saw sometimes, and what forced users to react

Quill

well this was a fun way to return from dinner

Katenkyo

(Also, on an other note, I'm not bothered by constant spamming, I'm kinda used to that. But I can understand why some users hate it)

@Quill 19B has changed, we're now a chat focused on the study of people on the internet

Quill

Yeah man, TNB is all an elaborate scheme by the overlords (lead by Doorknob) to keep us content while they outgolf our answers

TùxCräftîñg

@DestructibleWatermelon github.com/vihanb/PPCG-Design

El'endia Starman

@Quill Doorknob? Why not ~~Zoidberg~~ Dennis?

Katenkyo

11:45 AM

@Quill Hum, that would mean the true mastermind would be Dennis!

Quill

@El'endiaStarman Doorknob's just too good, something's fishy

Lembik

hi coding gurus.. I normally code in python but need to process lots of data now. This is fine time wise.. the problem is the insane space usage of Python. Each int is 24 bytes! Anyone know a nice memory efficient dict for python or can recommend a better python-like language?

Is the answer Julia?

Katenkyo

@Lembik Hum, I think the answer depends on what size of int you need

LegionMammal978

yesterday, by LegionMammal978

@TùxCräftîñg yep, restarting it only requires rudimentary understanding of advanced electromechanical engineering (+1000 internet pts. it you get the reference)

^ I'm raising that bounty to 100,000 internet points - yes you heard that right - 100,000 internet points, plus a guaranteed answer from me on your next question.

zyabin101

@LegionMammal978 EXEMPT, EXEMPT, EXEMPT!!!

disappears

Lembik

11:47 AM

@Katenkyo well somewhere between 32 bits and 24 bytes would be a good start :)

Destructible Watermelon

@Quill Wait a minute. WE all know who hatches elaborate schemes

SPIES

user214599

PLS SOMEONE DO A BF ANSWER HEER

Lembik

@Katenkyo I want to be able to look up an IP address and get the associated data

Destructible Watermelon

Katenkyo

@Lembik Doesn't python have a short or a char type which is only 8bit long?

El'endia Starman

11:48 AM

@Lembik Is it not possible for you to process the data in smaller chunks (or a stream) and use aggregators?

Lembik

@Katenkyo apparently not.

@El'endiaStarman yes that might work.

zyabin101

@DestructibleWatermelon And you say by that that Doorknob is spy?

Destructible Watermelon

@zyabin101 ... where are you going with this?

zyabin101

idk where o_o

Lembik

@El'endiaStarman but the space usage is tricky.. the string "a" uses 38 bytes

Quill

11:49 AM

@DestructibleWatermelon I don't think I'm ever going to see the keyhole as not being a mouth ever again

Katenkyo

@Lembik Also, I'd say Lua can do this easily as an integer is 4 bytes (which is what you need for a full IP adress), but it may be hard to rewrite everything in it

Lembik

@Katenkyo ah.. lua. Very interesting idea

any experience with Julia?

LegionMammal978

@Lembik idk, I just learned how to C/C++

Katenkyo

@Lembik Not at all, I'm only "good" at C, Java and Lua ^^'

Lembik

@LegionMammal978 that would probably be most useful :)

zyabin101

11:50 AM

exempt

El'endia Starman

...man, doorknobs would be perfect spies. If they could communicate telepathically, that is.

6

Lembik

@Katenkyo I suspect you can't call scikit learn (the library) from lua sadly

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Peter Piper and the Peck of Pickled Peppers tags: code-golf kolmogorov-complexity Without an introduction, output the following tongue twister: Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked. If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, Where's...

zyabin101

^

El'endia Starman

@Lembik Today's computers have tons of memory and CPU that often goes to waste. 38 bytes is like a drop in the ocean. So, what is it exactly that you're doing where you have to handle an ocean of bytes?

Katenkyo

11:52 AM

@Lembik but you have torch

Quill

@NewSandboxedPosts Oh man Bash would be great at that

Katenkyo

Lua is popular for machine learning if that's what you're wanting to do

Lembik

@El'endiaStarman I want to associate data with 100s of millions of IP addresses. The easiest way programmatically is to make a dict in python

@Katenkyo interesting!

Katenkyo

(mostly because it doesn't take lots of place and is close to C in terms of speed)

Lembik

@Katenkyo it is indeed!

but machine learning is all about the libraries that are available

TùxCräftîñg

11:53 AM

neoscript> 10 + 20 + 30
Tokens:
[ { id: 'Number', value: '10', line: 1, column: 1 },
  { id: 'Operator', value: '+', line: 1, column: 4 },
  { id: 'Number', value: '20', line: 1, column: 6 },
  { id: 'Operator', value: '+', line: 1, column: 9 },
  { id: 'Number', value: '30', line: 1, column: 11 },
  { id: 'EOF', line: 1, column: 13 } ]
AST:
[ { id: 'BinaryOperator',
    op: '+',
    left: { id: 'Number', value: 10, line: 1, column: 1 },
    right:
     { id: 'BinaryOperator',
       op: '+',
       left: [Object],

\o/

El'endia Starman

@Lembik Hmm. You may want to store data in one or more files.

Lembik

@El'endiaStarman It would fit all in RAM if I were using C for example

ArtOfCode

@El'endiaStarman you can take a Python dict, run it through cPickle, and store it in a file, easy to serialize. Good stuff, cPickle.

Lembik

I love pickle :)

the problem is that it is often incompatible between python versions!

@Katenkyo torch is focussed on deep learning, right?

@Katenkyo I wonder what people use to do all the other processing needed

Katenkyo

@Lembik I'd say yes, never used it myself ^^'

zyabin101

11:58 AM

> The first brainfuck answer will get this bounty!

Maybe the shortest BF answer?

Also, that might include Sesos, also, what to do if no answer is in BF by the end of the bounty?

Also,

> Looking for an answer drawing from credible and/or official sources.

Lembik

I suppose the other python-line language is nim

or maybe this can all be done in cython?

TùxCräftîñg

Neoscript REPL
neoscript> 1+2*3
Tokens:
[ { id: 'Number', value: '1', line: 1, column: 1 },
  { id: 'Operator', value: '+', line: 1, column: 2 },
  { id: 'Number', value: '2', line: 1, column: 3 },
  { id: 'Operator', value: '*', line: 1, column: 4 },
  { id: 'Number', value: '3', line: 1, column: 5 },
  { id: 'EOF', line: 1, column: 6 } ]
AST:
[ { id: 'BinaryOperator',
    op: '+',
    left: { id: 'Number', value: 1, line: 1, column: 1 },
    right:
     { id: 'BinaryOperator',
       op: '*',

borked the precedence parser :/

hi Duckman

Destructible Watermelon

12:13 PM

@TùxCräftîñg Where can I find neoscript?

TùxCräftîñg

@DestructibleWatermelon github.com/tuxcrafting/neoscript

i havent pushed the parser yet

ven

just parse term separated by any operator, build an array, and work out of that

Lembik

no one ever codes in cython on ppcg :(

Destructible Watermelon

you called it new script ಠ_ಠ

TùxCräftîñg

pushed the parser

Destructible Watermelon

12:26 PM

@TùxCräftîñg updooted your golisp post

drobilc

Hey, just a quick question, how does this work? imgur.com/a/5ooOq

what arguments does it need?

I tried with +F[1 2 3 which outputs 6

But when i enter hFcz it throws an error

user214599

o

drobilc

shouldn't it take first letter of each word in the input box and output it as string?

Katenkyo

Just realised that most of my knowledge in Lua come from fiddling around with code for PPCG, and one things leading to an other, it made me able to do production code in it :°

Rainbolt

@Katenkyo All of my Lua knowledge came from Minecraft

zyabin101

12:41 PM

@Rainbolt If being exact, the OpenComputers mod? ;)

TùxCräftîñg

or ComputerCraft

Rainbolt

I think I was programming Turtles in ComputerCraft

TùxCräftîñg

one day i have created a wireless exploration turtle

Katenkyo

@Rainbolt ComputerCraft launched me on Lua :D

@Rainbolt I actually was using Computers with wireless pack to transmit info from my fuel stock/engines/battery to a single computer which displayed gauge on a computer

You also could shut down some engines/machines from that monitor (touchscreen)

Rainbolt

I think I only ever did turtles from that mod

Katenkyo

12:52 PM

@Rainbolt That mod really shines when you're using lots of mods, if you only had ComputerCraft, it's understandable ^^

user214599

\o/ Now windows 10 has bash

Rainbolt

I was playing Direwolf and I wanted something to dig out the inside of a mountain, but not break the outside

Katenkyo

I was personnaly using modpacks like Infinity

Rainbolt

I played Infinity last time. It seemed about the same as Direwolf

Katenkyo

@Rainbolt A filler would have done the job ^^

@Rainbolt Mostly the same things, just much more machinery and mods to play with, also it is up to date :p

Rainbolt

12:54 PM

@Katenkyo Will the filler leave the outside of the mountain intact?

Katenkyo

@Rainbolt You set the zone it mines with landmarks, so yes

If you set up a cube delimited by landmark, it will only work within that cube

If you're still interested in this type of modpacks, just tell me and I'll call you next time I set up a serv with some friends of mine :)

quartata

@Rainbolt Haha, all of my Lua experience comes from the baldur's gate develope console

TùxCräftîñg

computercraft.info/forums2/index.php?/topic/…

found this neat computercraft emulator if anyone is interested

quartata

That was back before Lua was cool

muddyfish

1:32 PM

How do I report a bug in windows 10?

Rainbolt

Have you Googled "How to report a bug in windows 10"?

muddyfish

no

It went into an infinite loop when I ejected a bitlocker enabled device

Rainbolt

It's actually impossible to report bugs in Windows 10

They will come to your house and break down your door if you try too hard

5

muddyfish

noooo

zyabin101

1:45 PM

@SuperJedi224 come back to chat, we're missing you.

Optimizer

@Rainbolt XD jokes apart.. windows 10 is now the highest feedback driven OS due to the Insiders program..

flawr

ChatMiniSurvey: What is your favourite code-golf submission (not necessarily your own) written in a classical non-golf/eso language?

Optimizer

a friendly reminder... Windows 10 update is gonna cost 100+ USD starting Saturday.. Free upgrade to windows 10 stops this Friday.

flawr

@Optimizer If they only stop bothering me with their update request spam...

TimmyD

33

A: Sprocket Science: Animating a Chain Drive System

C# 3566 bytes Not golfed at all, but works (I think) Ungolfed in edit history. Uses Magick.NET to render gif. class S{public float x,y,r;public bool c;public double i,o,a=0,l=0;public S(float X,float Y,float R){x=X;y=Y;r=R;}}class P{List<S>q=new List<S>();float x=float.MaxValue,X=float.MinVal...

Optimizer

1:52 PM

@flawr you say that now but pretty sure you are going to upgrade to windows 10 within next year.. cracked or paid..

and seriously.. you could not google "how to remove get windows 10 app" ?

quartata

@flawr That's tough because all of xnor's Python golfs are masterpieces

flawr

I did some tinkering and managed to disable the popup, but every now and then when I restart from energy-saving mode I still get the errormessage GWXUX stopped working

Rainbolt

@Optimizer I'm sure it is, but you can say whatever you want to someone who hasn't Googled anything

Optimizer

umm.. as if I am your ISP who has blocked google.

flawr

@Optimizer google is evil

Rainbolt

1:55 PM

That has only happened to me twice in the last two years, and rebooting my machine solved the problem both times

quartata

I think it's a perfectly forgivable mistake. After all the 19B's little message window looks a lot like the Google search bar

Optimizer

are you from this earth?

quartata

Who, me?

Optimizer

oh.. we better stop talking about google/windows before stuff gets moved to trashcan..

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

help, on a fake fs should listing the contents of a directory show links as the type of the link target or as a link type

quartata

1:59 PM

Former if it's a hard link, latter if it's symbolic

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Should I allow listing subdirectories of a linked directory?

quartata

Well yeah

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Or should I just expect anyone that uses it that they know to redirect

quartata

Just googled myself and my little GitHub thing says x repositories written in JavaScript, Ruby and Python. Wtf?

Optimizer

Wtp?*

Rainbolt

2:06 PM

What the puppy?!

Optimizer

pichu

quartata

I guess Ruby comes from my fork of QPixel

zyabin101

@quartata Because one of your repos too heavily uses JavaScript?

quartata

but I have no JS repos what

Rainbolt

...soever (sorry, that was causing me a small amount of anxiety)

quartata

2:09 PM

I should probably put some actual good things up on my GH. I wouldn't exactly describe it as a gallery of programming I'm proud of

I've only ever used it for publishing esolang interpreters really

TimmyD

@Rainbolt Are you the type of person that also hates unbalanced parens (parentheses ?

Optimizer

no, he's the type that hates unfinishe

quartata

@Rainbolt oh I didn't notice haha

mınxomaτ

)

aditsu

so many Sheldons here :)

TimmyD

2:13 PM

I've got a friend IRL who's a programmer and absolutely hates unbalanced parens. With a passion. Like, if I send him a text message that has an open but no close paren, he'll actually go to the effort of sending a text message back containing a close parens before he'll respond in a separate message.

Optimizer

You lost me at "friend IRL"

Rainbolt

@TimmyD As someone who just got a smartphone, I now understand how strange that looks to someone that doesn't have one

But if you have a smartphone, sending two texts is basically just pretty the enter key an extra time

Optimizer

which one?

Rainbolt

iPhone 6

Optimizer

I believe you can change that setting..

TimmyD

2:14 PM

@Optimizer Aww. /comfort

quartata

@Rainbolt Ooh I've got something fun for him: ((()()(((())())())

TimmyD

Yeah. My Nokia Lumia Icon shows each message as distinct, if they were sent separately.

quartata

Hmm, little too easy...

Optimizer

@quartata ))

@TimmyD I have the same phone, just that its called something else here..

aditsu

@quartata code.google.com/codejam/contest/7244486/dashboard#s=p2

quartata

2:17 PM

@aditsu I saw that one hehe

aditsu

math people: I posted a question that turned out to be a bit controversial, feel free to have a go at it

8

Q: Sum of all natural numbers is 0?

A fairly well-known (and perplexing) fact is that the sum of all natural numbers is given the value -1/12, at least in certain contexts. Quite often, a "proof" is given which involves abusing divergent and oscillating series, and the numbers seem to fit at the end. (There are also other proofs in...

divergent-series

somewhat related: Program that adds all natural numbers and yields -1/12

Nathan Merrill

2:42 PM

bah, I can't seem to get windows insider to install

have to wait longer for windows bash

@El'endiaStarman thank you

aditsu

@NathanMerrill why not go for the real thing?

Nathan Merrill

I like my windows UI

I've tried linux many times over, and I always end up spending too much time tweaking/fixing things

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Doorknob is this you?

aditsu

Kde is pretty nice, although it still needs some tweaking

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

:P

aditsu

2:51 PM

haven't tried kde5 yet..

Nathan Merrill

looked it up, it looks pretty :)

GLASSIC

kde's style is now very old ... with google's material design ...

TimmyD

Tom Snout

Tom Snout is a fictional character in William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. He is a tinker, and one of the "mechanicals" of Athens, amateur players in Pyramus and Thisbe, a play within the play. In the play-within-a-play, Tom Snout plays the wall which separates Pyramus' and Thisbe's gardens. In Pyramus and Thisbe, the two lovers whisper to each other through Snout's fingers (representing a chink in the wall). Snout has eight lines under the name of Tom Snout, and two lines as The Wall. He is the Wall for Act V-Scene 1. Tom Snout was originally set to play Pyramus's father, but the need...

Reminds me of that

aditsu

Kde has many styles

flawr

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I don't get american "middle school plays", in every movie where there is such a play the have children playing inanimate objectes. But why??

Katenkyo

2:54 PM

@aditsu Also, don't forget that most games aren't playable under UNIX, and that may be a big point for Windows when it comes to OS

GLASSIC

anyone can tell me when someone should accept an answer ?? a month later ?

Business Cat

I think a week is usually fine. Maybe 2

Katenkyo

@GLASSIC After a week or two of inactivity

ninja'd :'(

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@flawr So that every kid is special, included and talented. You got 8 human roles? Great, let's add 30 objects that also need actors.

aditsu

@Katenkyo I don't care much about that, but I know others do

GLASSIC

2:55 PM

@Katenkyo what do you mean by "ninja'd"?

Nathan Merrill

I don't accept answers anymore, in order to increase the perception that you can answer in any language

@GLASSIC you answered right before (like a ninja)

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@NathanMerrill I had windows bash (until my computer imploded) and I thought it was very overrated. Just use git bash instead.

TimmyD

I accept answers just to get that sweet, sweet, +2 rep

Nathan Merrill

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ah, really? what what wrong with it?

I currently use git bash, but I often run into problems after displaying fullscreen editors (like vim)

GLASSIC

if someone needs bash on windows , just forget about it and install a coreutil port.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

2:58 PM

@NathanMerrill What was wrong with my computer (when it died) or what was wrong with windows bash?

Nathan Merrill

bash :)

I feel no sympathy for your pile of wires /sarc

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

;_; Y u... never mind, that joke is overused

aditsu

I don't use bash anyway :p zsh is nicer

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I Thought it was a lot of work to install for very little reward. It wasn't bad it just wasn't awesome. The windows UI changed quite a bit too, since bash wasn't the only update.

Nathan Merrill

@GLASSIC nah, for commands it works great. The only issue I have is when I git commit without a message (and it opens up an editor)

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

3:01 PM

Also, git bash runs directly in whatever directory you open it from, but windows bash mounts a pseudo Unix file system.

Nathan Merrill

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ah. By work, are you referring to the process of getting windows to update to that build, or getting it to work (once you were on the right windows build)?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

The first.

Idk, it wasn't terrible, but I'm not going to the trouble of installing it again.

Nathan Merrill

yeah, I ran into that as well

so, I'll just wait

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan er, I always have git bash start at root. I'm guessing I can still cd to all of my windows directories, right?

TimmyD

PowerShell is best shell. :p

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@NathanMerrill true, but you can select "open git bash here" from a right click.

aditsu

3:05 PM

maybe for windoze

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@NathanMerrill on winbash, you can navigate to your C:/ drive, but it's through a mount point.

TimmyD

@aditsu Windows is best -dows. It's got "Win" in the name, even.

aditsu

/cygdrive/c/.. oh wait, that's cygwin :)

Nathan Merrill

I'm not sure what that means. I'm guess that I start in some hidden directory that is reserved for linux-y stuff?

Poke

can someone help me find the major changes between jdbc's mssql driver v3 and v4

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

3:09 PM

Well, I didn't use it a whole ton, but iirc your c drive is under /mnt/c. I don't know where your linux root is on the windows side though.

Nathan Merrill

huh.

that sounds like they are fake-mounting a filepath (which sounds like a massive set of bugs waiting to happen)

quartata

Windows Bash in general sounds really hacky and inelegant. I don't understand why they don't just bring back XP's POSIX compatibility layer and build a regular version of bash linked to that.

muddyfish

I use MinGW

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Woah. Xp had a posix compatible layer?

quartata

Yea. There were three interfaces to the underlying kernel stuff: Win32, POSIX and OS/2.

It wasn't fully POSIX compliant but pretty close.

aditsu

3:19 PM

woah, did it get removed?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I don't really do much dev on windows. When I'm coding I'll usually boot up a Vm. That works well for me since this is my first computer that could actually effortlessly handle a Vm.

aditsu

wikipedia suggests that it was actually removed in xp

TimmyD

@quartata Really? From my reading, it sounded like a pretty nicely laid out system.

quartata

@aditsu Ah. I figured it was sometime around then

@TimmyD It feels more like having an emulator than actually having bash on your machine

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

^

TimmyD

3:24 PM

Well, there's going to be some obfuscation and emulation - it's translating between two very different types of kernel architectures. The fact that it's running pico processes and has a lot of kernel-mode support, as opposed to the old-style POSIX implementation which was 99% user-mode, gives it a big advantage over the old-style.

Not least of which is you don't need to recompile the ELF64 binaries - they run natively.