The Nineteenth Byte

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ output 65536 without numbers in your code

Do we really need all these leaderboards in chat?

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Jelly: ⁹²

a debatable definition of numbers

5:04 PM

@El'endiaStarman do we all really need to waste our time here anyhow? :p

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman Just create an extra room for this. Problem solved.

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@El'endiaStarman maybe I should make a code snippet that filters out leaderboards as well :p

@mınxomaτ Leaky Nun is perfectly welcome to do so.

mınxomaτ

I know.

5:06 PM

an extra room would remove most participation from the challenges--I propose using a gist

You know, there's this site dedicated to posting programming challenges you might have heard of...

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@Doorknob most of the challenges in chat would be downvoted to hell on main

@El'endiaStarman Ideally we should have a separate site where challenges can be hosted, and just chat here

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why's that? Are they not good challenges? If not, why post them in chat either?

Oh ninjad...

5:08 PM

@Doorknob they're trivial

good ways to waste time

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Tell that to the Hello, World! catalog

"Hello, world!" is at least a classic.

2 hours ago, by Leaky Nun

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ output 65536 without numbers

Kinda like Truth Machine, too.

19 hours ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Chat mini challenge: implement "relative sign"; given a,b, return if a < b, -1; if a == b, 0; if a > b, 1

5:10 PM

Yes?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Although some languages have a built in for that, this could make a good challenge for main

@trichoplax which one?

@LeakyNun Brachylog, 19 bytes: @DbbbblD,[A:B]l:D^.

Chat challenges are fine. But tracking solutions and posting leaderboards in chat?

@Fatalize How does it work?

5:11 PM

@trichoplax I'd post it, bu the last time I posted a chat challenge I got saltvotes :p

whatever, I'll sandbox it

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Salt?

@trichoplax Down.

@trichoplax downvotes without explanation

So what are upvotes? Sugar?

@LeakyNun @D is the string containing the alphabet without aeiouy, I remove 4 more elements with b then take the length of it

5:12 PM

@trichoplax Pepper.

then take the length of [A:B] (2) and do 2^16

@trichoplax Should I ban builtins?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I got a downvote on my chat challenge too, but I don't think that's a reason not to post

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yes, you should.

Incidentally, 65536 in Minkolang: 2222;;;N. 9 bytes.

5:13 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ fixed

@Fatalize what does the D do?

@zyabin101 fixed

@El'endiaStarman 2

no numbers :p

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I generally lean away from banning built ins, but if the built in does the entire challenge then you could ban it. If it was me I'd allow everything and see how different languages compare

5:13 PM

Oh right.

@trichoplax Ik, I hesitate on banning builtins, but (ruby?) has a<=>b which does the task. So I'd tend towards banning builtins that solve the challenge directly

quartata

@LeakyNun It's a variable

@LeakyNun D is a variable name, I unify it with the length of @Dbbbb

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ How would you make that a function? Is it still long enough to make other languages competitive without the builtin?

so that I can reuse it in the [A:B]l:D^.

5:15 PM

@Fatalize How did you make the 16?

@trichoplax idk much ruby, but most other langs would use (a<b)-(a>b)

@LeakyNun @D = "bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxz", @Dbbbb = "ghjklmnpqrstvwxz", length("ghjklmnpqrstvwxz") = 16

ACTUAL Minkolang solution (also 9 bytes!): "@ "$*N.

@El'endiaStarman haha that's great

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I think there are good and bad points either way - I don't think it matters too much whether you ban built ins - they could both be interesting

Python 3, 28

len('abcd')**len('abcdefgh')

5:18 PM

@trichoplax Alright, cool. I think I won't ban builtins

@Fatalize 18 bytes: [A:H]lD,[A:D]l:D^.

@LeakyNun nope

why not?

Z = 4 .

I <3 Neko :3

5:22 PM

[A:H] has length 2, [A:D] also has length 2

oh...

Is there a language where 2^2^2^2 is shorter?

@trichoplax mathematica (see leaderboard)

17 bytes: @DbbbblD,A:Bl:D^.

don't need the brackets

@LeakyNun Oh yeah... Does mathematica have a terse way of taking the floor?

Having mathematical constants in the main namespace is a big advantage

5:25 PM

@trichoplax Sorry, what does "the floor" mean?

floor of an num

Dennis

len(````````````````''````````````````)

Not winning, but...

I'd assume it's python?

@LeakyNun largest integer <= n

isn't v the repr thing in python?

Dennis

5:26 PM

Yup.

 `...`

Is that only python 2?

Dennis

Yes.

@Dennis this is nice.

@Dennis That's really clever.

5:28 PM

@trichoplax Don't think so?

>>> `''`
"''"
>>> ``''``
'"\'\'"'
>>> ```''```
'\'"\\\'\\\'"\''

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

p ?𐀀.ord also works in Ruby, if you're allowing non-ASCII.

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A cousin's indication (A relative's sign. Hahaha. Please move on.) In math, there is a function called "sign", or signum if you like Latin. It takes a real number n as input, and output's -1 if it's less than 0, 0 if it is 0, and 1 if it's greater than zero. A relative sign is the sign functio...

16 bytes: $KlF,@Q:@Hcl:F^.

16^4 is easier to get

@Fatalize which language?

oh, brachylog

5:30 PM

@LeakyNun The shortest I could find was Floor[x] which gives exactly the same length solution...

Chat mini-challenge: output this totally not contrived number with no numbers in your source code: 156702542540544000.

@LeakyNun yes

Which math functions should a math golfing language have?

48*...*57

5:31 PM

I just got a new rubik's cube

I don't know what to say about this one

@Bálint is it easier or harder than a regular one?

@El'endiaStarman Babble: NUMCPSDPTOGDTUKAZPUT

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's a bit harder than an 8*8

._.

@Bálint I thought 7*7 is easier than 8*8

5:33 PM

@LeakyNun this is...special

@Doorknob TODO: create commands CPS, DPT and OGD. :P

@El'endiaStarman Pyth, 12 bytes: *F+RT}C\&C\/

@LeakyNun It took me a day to learn how to somve an 8*8 without any help, let's see how this goes

@Bálint I thought everything after 4*4 is the same

1. centre 2. edge 3. treat as 3*3

What am I looking at

That is quite the contraption

5:36 PM

@LeakyNun It is, but it takes more time

Is it B/W only? That seems like it would be much easier.

@Geobits Do you think so? I'm constantly looking for 1 specific piece

I can't see how it would be harder anyway.

get rekt

@Fatalize Yeah, I only have a normal megaminx

5:37 PM

Who is familiar with ladder logic?

Why are there so many cubers in here? o.O (I'm one too, though I only have a 3x3, 4x4, 5x5, and Square-1.)

@El'endiaStarman J: */48+i.10

I know the logical way to climb a ladder, if that's what you mean.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 48 10

did he say no numbers?

I forgot

5:38 PM

7 mins ago, by El'endia Starman

Chat mini-challenge: output this totally not contrived number with no numbers in your source code: 156702542540544000.

a simple yes or no would have been sufficient

@Geobits yeah basically.

@Skyl3r ...gonna need more context for this.

PLC programming

A lot of it is done in Ladder Logic

Eww, PLCs

5:39 PM

lol Trust me, I know

I'm really wishing there was an "If Then Else" type statement

@El'endiaStarman Jelly, 14 bytes: ØHL+Ḥ$ØDLR’¤+P

Ah, for once, Minkolang beats Jelly! :P

google.com/…

what's being computed in that Minkolang code

too lazy to read the doc

@Fatalize 48*...*57

5:43 PM

57!/47! ?

yes

ok ty

Minkolang has a 3-byte built-in that pushes all the char codes of the digits. These are then product'd and the result is output.

l$Z Numbers; pushes the numeric digits

@El'endiaStarman Oh, you reminded me

I pushed the digits, and then pushed their lengths....

5:44 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's actually l$Z, not 1$Z.

Jelly, 4 bytes: ØDOP

"l$Z Numbers; pushes the numeric digits."

It's the analogue of lZ, which pushes the uppercase and lowercase alphabet in terms of char codes.

I wonder if most programmers are religious or not.

idk

are you?

@Skyl3r There's probably a survey on that somewhere.

5:46 PM

Personally, I'm not

@Skyl3r I be religious, but I'd bet most aren't

Religious discussion, dis gun b gud

okay

I haven't looked yet

^^^^

5:46 PM

@Fatalize why is your gun inherently good?! :p

As @Fatalize so kindly pointed out, religion ends badly in here. Let's not bring that up.

Politics get confusing also.

The Upper Room

General discussion for Christianity.SE, pseudo-meta support, a...

So talking about american politics which combine both ends up badly

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I think that has more to do with the participants than the topic.

^

5:47 PM

I don't think anyone was offended yet

But I can take my business elsewhere

@Skyl3r I'm offended that you didn't think I was offended :p

I'm offended that you got offended so easily

triggered

We should be feminists.

XD

5:49 PM

I don't even know if there's a single women in this chat

most programmers are guys

Are you assuming my gender?

....

rekt

Okay, yeah, I'm a guy

actually he isn't

5:49 PM

I'm not, I said I don't know

he said "I don't know"

ninj'aed

I'm offended that you assumed my gender.

:p

Okay, okay, relax everyone

you could be an attack helicopter for all I know

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I'M OFFENDED THAT YOU THINK I'M NOT CALM

5:50 PM

I guess so

... and bask in the glory of AVOCHEDDAR

@Skyl3r do you like avocado?

NOOOOOoooo

Definitely not

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

....and the discussion went to trash anyway. >_<

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Isn't Guacomayleys made out of Avocado?

5:51 PM

We don't support avocad haters. I would say "Get. Out", but you are nice.

So I will find your house and shove avocad down your throat.

@Skyl3r guacamole, and yeah

@El'endiaStarman at least not volatile trash

I was close.

Everyone likes guacamole really. You're just playing devils' avocad, right?

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No, Gwakomoley is horrible

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ So, continuing the talk about js1k after my tablet is okay, yes it needs to do something cool

5:52 PM

@Bálint oh, cool!

(on both notes)

@trichoplax I really want to star that, but I'm trying to reform.

Optimizer

@trichoplax and you are juic playing devil's avocad.

Most people do animations, because you can't really rely on the jury finding out the contorls

"the controls"?

@Skyl3r guacamole isn't my fave, but plain avocado is heaven

5:52 PM

@Geobits I could have done worse... :P

Hmm

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ If you make a game for example

@FryAmTheEggman python2 beats pyth?

I remember when my girlfriend made guac for me and I had to pretend like I enjoyed it

@Bálint Oh, I see. Can't you include it in the description?

5:53 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ avocad juic?

i tried that, didn't work

didn't juic right

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You can, but only like 10 words, and it isn't really enough

"WASD is move. good luck."

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yeah, but you also want a description there

Isn't working out the controls part of the game?

5:54 PM

^

"This is a game. WASD, move, good luck."

@Bálint Have you seen nethack? And it is thegreatestgameyouwilleverplay...

How old are most programmers?

Probably younger I'd guess

An average JS programmer is probably 12

Wow

5:57 PM

@Fatalize ಠ_ಠ

@Fatalize Ha! I doubt that. :P

There's no way people are learning to program in JS before they play CoD...

I have to use JS sometimes ._.

@Fatalize ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ

So many young people and JS users here, the temptation was too great

@El'endiaStarman I've never played CoD :3

quartata

5:57 PM

@Fatalize roasted

@Fatalize I keep forgetting you're french >_>

Young people?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I've played it a few times.

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ nethack, promising title...

That means I can be more offensive and it's socially acceptable

5:58 PM

@El'endiaStarman is it any good?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ... what does it have to do with the current conversation? :p

@Bálint 10/10 funnest game ever

@Geobits I've spent 7 months resisting the urge to say "I can Hass avocad?"

not about hacking or anything

The IRC channel entry message:

"Wow, what are you doing?"
"Making a website."
"So you're like a hacker?"
"... Yeah."

5:59 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Eh, I'm not really a fan of CoD and Counter Strike's thing where you pick loadouts and change up your equipment. I vastly prefer Halo's simplicity in that area.

[10:59] -ChanServ- [#NetHack] Welcome to #NetHack! See nethack.org for more info. NetHack is a game, so you 1337 H4XX0RZ can just go... away. Hmm, this place smells spoiled!

@Fatalize ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> NetHack is a game, so you 1337 H4XX0RZ can just go... away.

@Skyl3r happens everytime when I do something relatively programatic and a person looks at it