The Nineteenth Byte

Geobits

2:00 AM

You no know cactuar?

trichoplax

@Geobits It has a name?!?

Geobits

It's a recurring Final Fantasy enemy.

trichoplax

Ah. I have no games knowledge...

Which means much of the conversation in here goes over my head

Helka Homba

@Geobits Thought it was from Animal Crossing

Alex A.

I thought it was the Taco Time mascot

Geobits

2:01 AM

They might be in that too. I've never played. But they've been in FF games since (long) before Animal Crossing was a thing.

@HelkaHomba * and +?

} and ~?

I got another one. they're conspiring

Zach Gates

2:12 AM

What's the word for someone that lives without ever really understanding what's going on around them? i.e. mentally disabled or other clinical issues

Geobits

I'm not sure of an officially accepted term, but detached seems like a good general adjective, if I understand the question right.

Sp3000

Up until the last part I would have said "blissfully ignorant"

Mars Ultor

I would probably have said 'naïve'

Zach Gates

All of those work well for my analogy! Thank you all!

Mars Ultor

@Geobits But doesn't detached mean emotionless?

Geobits

2:15 AM

Used by itself, it could. In the right context, it could mean several things I think.

quartata

Wow, Sencha is super slow to load.

Mars Ultor

What's that weird flat signpost-looking thing

Geobits

Not sure. It's too square to be a torii.

quartata

why does everyone have these beautiful looking gardens while nothing grows in mine and it resets every 10 minutes

Sp3000

Ditto, apart from the initial two things nothing's growing now :(

Dunno about the reset though

Geobits

2:18 AM

@quartata Dunno. I left mine open while I ran some errands earlier and came back to a loading screen. Then closed the tab and haven't retried :/

@Doorknob You should probably back away slowly. They're coming for you.

3

Doorknob

I'm beginning to worry about what all these cacti are planning

@Geobits O_O

quartata

uh that's terrifying

I would just slowly close that tab and walk away

Sp3000

2:21 AM

... oh I have an office desk and chair now. nvm things are growing fine it seems

... two desks

Geobits

Final Fantasy VIII Summon: Cactaur

►

Alex A.

I swear that's Taco Time

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's an octopus.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I know that much :P

Doorknob

2:26 AM

blue light makes octopi

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Do you know of a value in JS such that x == true -> true and x == false -> true? I can't believe I'm asking this

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Umm lemme think

Why do you wan't to know?

!(NaN == true)

quartata

Because I need to able to check if an article is in the store but I don't know if it's been read or not

Alex A.

@Doorknob Did your store-going parental unit ever investigate champagne mangos?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Just use 0, 0.5, and 1.

Doorknob

2:27 AM

@AlexA. no, not yet

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes ?

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ But then it would be false

Alex A.

@Doorknob >:U

quartata

@QPaysTaxes Actually what I'm asking for is very strange so

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes Booleans are not meant for ternary options!

quartata

2:28 AM

I'm asking for a value that is a superposition of read and unread lmao

I want just to be able to do a simple in

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

You could use some fancy ES6 features.

quartata

No ES6 support

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata You're using in? WTF?

How??

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Uhh, what's wrong with in?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It depends on how you use it >_>

quartata

2:29 AM

if (!(article in store.data))

Doorknob

in Rust this is just a simple Option<bool>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Carry on, then.

quartata

data is an array of Models

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wait

in checks for key membership, not item membership iirc

So 1 in [0, 2, 4] === true because it has a 1 property.

quartata

Uh, wtf

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:31 AM

var o = {
  "prop": 2
};
console.log("prop" in o); // true

quartata

OK, so .contains is a thing hopefully?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Nope.

~~In ES6, yes.~~

Maltysen

@quartata that's also with the foreach loop, which makes it useless

@quartata .indexOf > -1

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

@QPaysTaxes The index.

Maltysen

@QPaysTaxes arrays is js are nothing but objects with numeric keys

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:31 AM

^

quartata

@Maltysen what

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Sorry to have to expose you to this madness @quartata. I guess I have to learn Perl now. :P

quartata

who did this and why

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's OK I volunteered to do this

Maltysen

@quartata i actually think that's pretty cool

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata It's like all objects being arrays in J.

Maltysen

2:32 AM

the in operator on the other hand…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Oh okay XD

Downgoat

you can override the in operator though to make it normal

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

With ES6.

Downgoat

no even with ES5

modifying vlaueof might do it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Ohhhh

Geobits

2:33 AM

I can't see how anyone reads conversations like these and still defends javascript.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits Bugger off >_>

Geobits

:D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's a 3 v 1.75. You cannot win atm

Alex A.

Hello, I'm here and hate JS

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 3v1.5? No it's definitely a 4v1

Geobits

2:34 AM

Yea, we could always call in recruits :P

quartata

I'm not doing this willingly by any stretch of the imagination

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata ~~we have you now~~ thank you.

quartata

I was going to quit after the tar bomb but 2014 me had a "fixme" comment

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why are you thanking me? I'm not siding with you

Geobits

@quartata It's a trap!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata ...

#confused

3 = me, malty, and downgoat

you = .5, geobits = 1 = alex

quartata

2:36 AM

Oh, I assumed 1.5 = you and me

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh XD

quartata

OK in that case it's a 3v10

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

In base 4.

;)

quartata

Also Malty hates JS he likes Brython

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm fine

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm writing a blog post call "All programming languages are beautiful."

Geobits

2:37 AM

@QPaysTaxes I actually agree with that. Trying to do anything bigger than small is when I start wanting to light things on fire.

Sp3000

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Good luck

Geobits

But I feel the same way about Scratch, so it's not exactly a glowing endorsement.

quartata

There's gotta be a way to use JS's stupid type coercion to my advantage

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Sp3000 Thanks. I'm trying to find something redeeming about every language.

Sp3000

You could try turning negatives into positives, like "if you ever need a headache, PHP is there for you"

Downgoat

2:40 AM

@quartata it's very useful in golfing

Geobits

Oh, that's it! "JS: At least it's not PHP"

quartata

Dammit, I almost thought for a second maybe !NaN might work

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

rewrite the damn code

Geobits

^ this. and not with sencha or phonegap

Just go native.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

TI -BASIC.

^

quartata

2:44 AM

This is when I'm refreshing the feeds. I need to see if an article is already in the store.

So I'm constructing the article object then seeing if it is in the store

But, since unread is property of the article object and I have no idea whether said article will be read or not...

I could search a different way of course

But I wanted to be lazy and have this work

Oh well

Geobits

Just assume the reader is lazy and has never read anything. Much easier that way.

Helka Homba

What do you call non-toroidal boundary conditions? i.e. a plain wall

Geobits

A wall or boundary normally.

No need to get fancy.

Helka Homba

I was sure there's a common term.

Geobits

"You'll be playing on a 50x100 field"

Without anything else, I'd just assume that means non-toroidal.

Unless explicitly mentioned that it would loop around, I don't know why you'd make that assumption.

Helka Homba

2:48 AM

@Geobits I know but I'm sure I've been asked about it in challenges before :P

Geobits

Here's what I said for Hunger Gaming:

> The island is a square, 500 units to a side. If you try to venture beyond those bounds, you will be clamped onto the edge. The origin {0,0} is in the upper-left, with x increasing to the right and y increasing downward. Again, the map does not wrap.

Sp3000

"topologically homeomorphic to a disc"

Geobits

@Geobits Personally, I think even that's overkill :P

quartata

Looks like this doesn't even work for unread articles when unread is true so something is going wrong anyways

How does JS do Object comparison

Right, but how does that work

Downgoat

what do you mean by obejct comparisoin?

Geobits

2:53 AM

Can't you override the article's equals and just check whatever id/key?

quartata

Like, how does it compare objects? Does it compare every property?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata

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Downgoat

@quartata every object is unique

you can't

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

Downgoat

unless they are the exact same internal variable

quartata

2:54 AM

@Downgoat well that's dumb

Alex A.

Oh we got a special little snowflake

quartata

ok

Downgoat

@quartata You shouldn't be comparing objects

that means there is something fundamentally wrong with your code

quartata

@Downgoat I'm using indexOf so I don't have much of a choice

@AlexA. ooh nobody gives a shit

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Have you tried (function deepEquals(x,y){ return x <= y && y <= x })?

Geobits

2:55 AM

"You shouldn't be comparing objects" shouldn't belong in a talk about OO languages imo.

Downgoat

you should be using Map to store data

not an object

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

He doesn't have ES6

Doorknob

Yeah, "You shouldn't be comparing objects" makes no sense in a language where almost everything... is an object.

Downgoat

@Doorknob you can't compare object objects.

Doorknob

> object objects

wat

Downgoat

2:56 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ everyone has ES6?

use babel

Alex A.

R type casts like crazy so that you can make all kinds of useless comparisons.

Downgoat

@Doorknob Strings are an object but they are— nevermind, all you need to know is literals aren't object objects, {} are object objects.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat I think @quartata just want's to be done with the project, eh?

Doorknob

Rust doesn't type cast. Only when you do it explicitly. Because it's a sane language :D

quartata

How on earth can you not compare objects anyways

Downgoat

2:57 AM

We should all just use Cheddar when it's finished

@quartata make sure they return the same valueOf, then you can compare them

Alex A.

@quartata Pretend ==, <, >, and the like just don't exist

Doorknob

@Downgoat "I'm going to gloss over this very important part of the language because it doesn't make any sense"

quartata

@Downgoat I also don't have a choice with this; I have to use ext.data.Model which is an object

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat What he means to say is that a String is an object, but is a string object, ie. [object String]. An object {} is `[object Object]. @Doorknob.

quartata

@Downgoat ok

Downgoat

2:57 AM

valueOf is a function though

Geobits

@quartata Good luck! I'm headed to sanity-land (bed).

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Bai!

Alex A.

@Geobits Goodbed, gbits

quartata

@Downgoat How can I override the valueOf

Doorknob

@QPaysTaxes :D

Alex A.

2:58 AM

@QPaysTaxes :D

Doorknob

i kan triez?

quartata

oh I think this works

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes :D

Doorknob

@QPaysTaxes :D

Downgoat

@quartata a.valueOf=function(){return"my function return value"}

Doorknob

2:59 AM

Mar 28 at 23:50, by Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes Welcome to Programming Puzzles and Code Golf! This website is tagged code-golf so you need to make your code as short as possible, you can start by removing all that horrible whitespace and making all variable named 1-char long.

Downgoat

@Doorknob oh my gosh I am so sorry

fixing right awway

Doorknob

haha

quartata

@Downgoat Yeah, I know I just didn't know if you meant literally override valueOf

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