The Nineteenth Byte

3:00 AM

@quartata Message passing implies mutability which implies lack of immutability which implies bad FP support (and sometimes inefficiency), does that hold?

Objective-C (ewwww) has it, and so do Smalltalk / Self / etc

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill julia.readthedocs.org/en/latest/manual/parallel-computing

@NathanMerrill doc.rust-lang.org/book/concurrency.html

I HALP YOO FRIND

2

cat

Awww. :D

quartata

@cat How does message passing imply mutability?

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. funny enough, I'm on a page identical to that one, but on a different domain: docs.julialang.org/en/latest/manual/parallel-computing

quartata

Variables are mutable when defined with = but not with <:

Alex A.

3:03 AM

@NathanMerrill Oh, heh. They reference the same thing but for whatever reason I have the ReadTheDocs version bookmarked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also note that when the URL says "latest," it might be referencing the unstable, bleeding-edge version.

I recommend looking at the latest release, which is 0.4.5

cat

@quartata Message passing is always implemented on top of mutable state

Downgoat

Hello @HelkaHomba

cat

Julia isn't 1.0 yet? Whoa.

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. I'm not looking to use it, but to learn from it, so I'm not sure if the version matters :)

quartata

@cat message passing between threads could pass a copy

It's not necessarily a reference.

Alex A.

3:06 AM

@NathanMerrill Oh then definitely the dev version. ;)

That's where they have the coolest stuff

Downgoat

oh no, I dropped Earth in the sun D:

quartata

@cat It's still very experimental

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat That sounds like A Bad Thing.

Helka Homba

I like that everything on the starboard fits on one line.

cat

@HelkaHomba there you go.

Downgoat

3:06 AM

@El'endiaStarman it is a Very Bad Thing

Nathan Merrill

I'm still doing the design phase of my new language, so I'm taking my time to make sure I get the design right

I'm getting pretty close, though

El'endia Starman

@HelkaHomba You and the starrer just had to go and ruin that!

cat

Syntax is more important than semantics!!!!

@El'endiaStarman :P

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman Fixed

Alex A.

@cat Not even close. The language design hasn't really settled yet; each release deprecates some stuff and introduces others. Probably unsuitable for production applications given the amount of updating required between versions.

El'endia Starman

3:07 AM

@HelkaHomba ...nicely done. :P

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill :D Any idea what your implementation language will be yet?

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. LLVM

or JVM

but I'm leaning towards LLVM

quartata

@NathanMerrill Uh, but what will the compiler to LLVM be written in?

Downgoat

quartata

If you're comfortable with it, I recommend bison + flex + C/C++

Alex A.

3:08 AM

@NathanMerrill I'd love to learn LLVM so if you need help then I'd be happy to join Team Elegance. :)

cat

@NathanMerrill If it's JVM, will it help me hate Java less?

Ewwww, LLVM, that's Apple, right?

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. always glad to have help :)

Alex A.

@cat No

quartata

By the way, you could transpile to C--

Nathan Merrill

@cat if you hate Java, then you'll likely hate Elegance. It has stronger typing than Java

cat

3:10 AM

Clojure makes me hate Java a little less and Scala makes me hate Java a lot less. That's all I can consider when it comes to JVM

quartata

@cat blergh I hate scala

Nathan Merrill

that said, it doesn't compile to Java, but to the JVM

cat

@NathanMerrill It's not because of the typing -- has u genericz?

quartata

I'll take Clojure over Scala any day

Alex A.

@cat What's your take on the ~~hot garbage that is~~ Groovy?

cat

3:10 AM

@quartata Yay, LISP! Why no Scala 4 u?

quartata

@AlexA. ...

@cat I feel like Scala tried to be too many things.

Alex A.

@quartata Onli 4 u bb

Nathan Merrill

@cat yes, but different than how Java does them. If an interface declares a method, any class that also has that method automatically fills that interface

quartata

On one end it tried to be this hip hot web application language, on another end it tried to be functional and on the third end it tried to be pure OOP and it just didn't work out

cat

@AlexA. I tried it once... I agree, it's a silly mess, and I think it doesn't do FP well enough to be a FP-y Java language

Helka Homba

3:12 AM

I wonder what this conversation sounds like to someone who has never programmed nor heard about any programming languages.

quartata

Things like lazy evaluation are baddd when you're working with the internetz

Nathan Merrill

also, separation of in/out in generics

quartata

@cat It's not supposed to be like FP. It's supposed to be like Perl/Python.

Winny

tbh i'd take scheme (or lisp) over most things any day, (except maybe python)

cat

@quartata When did it try to be internety? All Scala wants to do is be Object-Functional :c

quartata

3:12 AM

@cat read the home page :P

cat

@quartata well, yes, but I still think it's trying too hard

Alex A.

@cat FP?

quartata

@cat It shouldn't be trying at all, unless there have been some changes to Groovy I don't know about.

cat

@AlexA. functional programming

Helka Homba

@AlexA. foot power

Alex A.

3:13 AM

@Winny Hi Winny! What's your favorite Scheme implementation?

cat

@quartata I have; what'm I missing?

quartata

Closures are "closures" in a very broad sense of the word

Alex A.

@cat Ohhh okay

@HelkaHomba False positive

cat

@Winny Racket FTW!

quartata

> focus: Web services

@cat racketttt for lyfeeee

Nathan Merrill

3:14 AM

@quartata I actually haven't considered what my initial compiler will be written in (thought it will eventually be Elegance itself)

quartata

@NathanMerrill EleganceElegance

Nathan Merrill

that said, why do you recommend bison + flex + C/C++

cat

@quartata ^

???

quartata

@NathanMerrill Because C/C++ are the best languages to interface with LLVM and bison + flex are the best tools to use with C/C++ for languages

@cat It came right from the google description

Google "scala homepage"

Nathan Merrill

I understand your first point, but what does bison + flex provide?

cat

3:15 AM

@quartata o

quartata

Flex is a lexer, bison is a grammar to parser generator

They work well together to create gud parser

If you haven't used them before check them out

very gud

Flex works a little better with C than C++ imo but flex++ is a thing.

Bison works great with C and C++

Nathan Merrill

isn't antlr the tool of choice nowadays for lexing and parsing?

Dennis

@quartata Did you change your avatar or is my browser broken (again)?

Doorknob

he changed it

cat

^

quartata

3:19 AM

Yeah...

Nathan Merrill

also, apparently Java went up nearly 5% in usage in the past year. Anybody know why?

cat

Are you looking at TIOBE?

Nathan Merrill

yeah

cat

Don't trust TIOBE...

quartata

I think Java has been the top language on TIOBE since the dawn of time

Alex A.

3:20 AM

@NathanMerrill I've been reading about Quex and apparently it generates faster parsers than some of the other ones.

Dennis

@NathanMerrill Bad taste.

Downgoat

I think I broke gravity... does anyone know how to fix it?

like the object just stands still...

quartata

@NathanMerrill Trust me flex and bison are a little old but they definitely pack a punch

Nathan Merrill

@quartata it's been at the top for a while, but even still, 5% is an unprecedented jump

quartata

Super easy to work with, very efficient

cat

3:22 AM

The TIOBE index relies on search engine hits - see tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_definition.htm

Alex A.

@quartata byacc and Quex are bester than Flex and Bison.

GamrCorps

Friend: I need someone to procrastinate with
Me: I'll procrastinate with you
Friend: Really?
Me: Yeah, just finish your homework and we'll start
Friend: Ok.

(2 minutes later)

Friend: Screw you...

3

my conversation right now

quartata

@AlexA. byacc what

Doorknob

> youtube being weighted the second highest

wat

cat

@Doorknob goo gul

quartata

3:22 AM

idk what those things are but I trust flex and bison way more than these young wipper snapper tools

cat

@quartata whippersnapper*

Alex A.

@quartata byacc yes

@quartata byacc is old as fuck

cat

Bee Yet Another Compiler Compiler

Nathan Merrill

actually, a good question is: Which provides the best error messages?

quartata

@NathanMerrill flex and bison

very informative error messages

often too informative

Nathan Merrill

3:24 AM

because if the language doesn't compile, those error messages are being sent to the user

@quartata that's not a good thing

cat

@NathanMerrill ??? why not?

How can debugging info be too useful?

quartata

> Error: I just used the grammar definition to wipe my ass oops

El'endia Starman

@cat When you have to look for a needle in a haystack.

Nathan Merrill

have you ever tried going through pages of stack traces or error logs?

quartata

tmi

@NathanMerrill OK, it's not like that. I was just kidding.

cat

3:25 AM

@NathanMerrill Better than not enough...

quartata

But the error messages are good

Xanderhall

So my tired brain thought it would be a fun idea to do a quick fizz buzz program

without loops

quartata

@Xanderhall uhoh

cat

@Xanderhall map

Alex A.

@quartata Which have you used that you can compare Flex and Bison to?

Winny

3:26 AM

@AlexA. I'm not particularly well informed on the various Scheme implementations; I do enjoy Racket a lot, though. I have used Guile (it sucks imo), tiny scheme, and some others, seem okay, but scheme needs rich apis to be useful that Racket offers

Xanderhall

in PHP

quartata

@AlexA. Errr.... none? :P

cat

@Xanderhall whyy

quartata

That may explain my answers.

Alex A.

haha

Xanderhall

3:26 AM

@cat That is the wrong question to ask here

cat

@Winny Scheme (even Chicken) is lame. use Racket :D

quartata

Lemme put it like this: Ruby (IIRC) uses bison and flex.

Winny

@cat Honestly I categorize Racket as a Scheme that got bloated (in a good way)

quartata

And if they trust it that's good enough for me

Alex A.

@Xanderhall "Why PHP" is never the wrong question to ask. It's an important existential question that any user of PHP should ask him- or herself on a daily basis.

@quartata I think APL uses YACC.

Nathan Merrill

3:28 AM

54

Q: Should I use a parser generator or should I roll my own custom lexer and parser code?

What specific advantages and disadvantages of each way to working on a programming language grammar? Why/When should I roll my own? Why/When should I use a generator?

apparently, rolling your own parser is the way to go

Xanderhall

@AlexA. I have to use it for my job, so I just code challenges in it.

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill That's what I'm doing! :D

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill but doing that is a pain in the *ss. I greatly regret writing Cheddar by hand

I had to write my own parser generator after it got too difficult

Xanderhall

Golfed, my program is about 160 bytes. I'm pretty happy

Nathan Merrill

I might use a 3rd party in generation 1

Alex A.

3:31 AM

Oh yeah, there's also something from Boost, I can't remember what it's called, but that'd be a good option if you're using C++ at some point

cat

@AlexA. Boost.Spirit

Alex A.

Yes, that.

cat

boost-spirit.com/home

Alex A.

Thank you, @cat. Good kitty. scratches head

cat

purrs ^~^

Downgoat

3:59 AM

Does anyone know why the equation for gravitational acceleration include the mass of the satellite? I thought mass doesn't matter in gravitational acceleration...

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat The gravitational force on object A is proportional to the mass of object B.

Cyoce

4:23 AM

The for loop isn't named after the English word, it's named after its arity!

four(1;2;3){4}

Alex A.

Oh yeah, you're right... wun, to, thry, for

Sp3000

for 1 in 2:
    3

D:

Ashwin Gupta

I need help from my fellow nerds.

Should I buy Halo 5, SW:Battlefront, or Dark Souls 3

Alex A.

I haven't played any of those

Ashwin Gupta

I've never ever played dark souls before, I barely know what its about. All I know is that it gets INSANE high reviews and has some neat fighting. I normally like shooters, but I'm willing to give something new a shot.

@AlexA. yeah nither have I except for BF

Although I have played older Halo games.

Sp3000

4:34 AM

Drop them all and get The Witness

Ashwin Gupta

Hm, ill look into it

Alex A.

s/The Witness/Half-Life/

Ashwin Gupta

This actually looks neat

store.steampowered.com/app/210970

Sp3000

(If anybody here hasn't played The Witness and is considering getting it though, do yourselves a favour and avoid walkthrough/reviews/Let's Plays)

Ashwin Gupta

Yeah seems logical for a puzzle type game

Jeez tho, (I didn't read the review, just looked at final score) IGN gave it a 10/10

when does that happen lol?

Alex A.

4:37 AM

Yeah I've heard it's amazing

Ashwin Gupta

I'ma see about this.

Alex A.

Half-Life is also amazing. Just sayin'.

Ashwin Gupta

@AlexA. OC, I've played half-life. I just don't own a copy and honestly I've played it so much (friend's copy) that I don't really feel like buying it anymore lol

@AlexA. Also, I assume you've played portal?

Alex A.

Have you played Half-Life, Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Episode 1, and Half-Life 2: Episode 2? Playing all of those should be priority #1. :P

@AshwinGupta Of course!

Ashwin Gupta

Good lol

I've played half-life and half-life 2.

I never knew there were episodes 1 and 2

Alex A.

4:40 AM

They pick up right where HL2 ends

Ashwin Gupta

TBH I could probably buy half life with another game, its only like 10-15 right?

Yeah 10 bucks on steam NVM

Alex A.

I think so, not really sure. I bought HL1 in 2001 or so.

Ashwin Gupta

Oh yeah well LOL I was not even born when you bought it probably.

xD

Alex A.

O_O

Anonymous

@quartata What in the name of sanity have you done to your avatar

Alex A.

4:42 AM

@Mego It wasn't in the name of sanity :P

Anonymous

@AlexA. I know, it's a terrifying thought. There are certainly some users on SE that were born in 2003.

Alex A.

That's... I can't even

Ashwin Gupta

Hm?

I was born in late 2001, september.

Anonymous

Wait

Alex A.

Waiting

Anonymous

4:43 AM

Before or after the 11th?

Ashwin Gupta

After, 24th

Y?

Anonymous

So you were never alive when the Twin Towers were standing

Ashwin Gupta

Correct.

Alex A.

That's a bizarre thought

Anonymous

I need a drink

Anonymous

4:44 AM

Meanwhile, I still distinctly remember the day that they went down

Ashwin Gupta

@Mego Seriously?

Not the second thing

I meant the first, why does that confuse you so much?

@Mego I'm guessing that is pretty hard to forget honestly...

Anonymous

It's just baffling that time has flown so fast

Ashwin Gupta

LOL

Anonymous

When I think about people who were born after 9/11, I'm imagining diapers and pacifiers

Ashwin Gupta

Well I can assure you, I am not wearing a diaper at this moment.

Anonymous

4:46 AM

No comment on the pacifier?

Ashwin Gupta

I'd rather not make promises I can't keep.

Jk xD.

Anonymous

To give you some context: my nephew (who is 3 years old) is the only human being I frequently come into contact that does not distinctly remember 9/11.

Anonymous

(not counting online, because then I'd have to count Doorknob and Conor)

Ashwin Gupta

Well I guess I get where you are coming from now. I guess you just gotta remember that there is like 15 years of ellapsed time so yeah xD

Anonymous

When you look back at the past, time seems much shorter

Ashwin Gupta

4:48 AM

Doorknob and Conor are in middle school or high school?

Anonymous

High school

Ashwin Gupta

Weren't they alive during 9/11 then?

Anonymous

Yeah, but I highly doubt that they have memories from when they were < 3 years old

Ashwin Gupta

True didn't think about that xD.

Anonymous

> does not distinctly remember 9/11.

Ashwin Gupta

4:49 AM

Ok you were referring to that ^^ I thought you were talking about alive or not

Well nice chat, I'm going to sleep, because lucky me... I get to go to school tomorrow =/ since I'm not three years old and don't have a pacifier and diaper. :(

Anonymous

I tend to think of my life in segments. 9/11 was in the second grade, which was Elementary Part 1. Then, my family moved, and I had Elementary Part 2, Middle School, High School, College, and Post-College. 9/11 was only 5 segments ago.

Anonymous

But then I realize those segments were 3 years each (on average) and the timespan hits me

Ashwin Gupta

That's really clever actually, making your life into a timeline of relative segments...

I can't really do that yet cuz I don't have enough years under my belt.

Anonymous

1-3, 4-6, 7-8, 9-12, 3 years of undergrad, and now I'm almost 1 year out of college

Ashwin Gupta

Cool, you working in software engineering now?

Anonymous

4:53 AM

As time goes on, you stop thinking of time in terms of years and more in terms of major life events

Anonymous

Yep, I do software development contracts

Ashwin Gupta

Nice

I plan on doing software or maybe electrical engineering.

Anonymous

I should be able to finish up my latest one in the next few days and get my paycheck :)

Ashwin Gupta

Lol good for you!

Anonymous

Word of advice: always find out if someone else was hired before you. If so, you're going to spend more time cleaning up their messes than you would have spent if you started with a blank slate.

Ashwin Gupta

4:55 AM

LOL

Anonymous

Other People Are Idiots™

Ashwin Gupta

@Mego That took you 4 years of high school and all of college to figure out?

Anonymous

Oh no, I knew that :P I just didn't know that my client had hired another contractor before me on my current job. He royally screwed up the database backup that I'm trying to restore data from.

Ashwin Gupta

I got firsthand expierence of that because we do these stupid "team tests" in CA as part of common core school cirriculum. Really bad idea.

You get a group of idiots who can't count to 10 if their life depended on it. Then you have one or two reasonably intelligent people who have to micromanage everything and complete the amount of questions intended for 6 people using only 2 people.

Yeah.

@Mego you can't just create a new backup from the original?

Anonymous

One of my professors in college tried something like that. 100-level class, so mostly freshmen. We took the test individually, then got together in teams to discuss and pick team answers. For each answer your team got right but you got wrong, you got 25% of the points back.

Ashwin Gupta

4:58 AM

Yeah for us its all or nothing :(

Anonymous

@AshwinGupta Nope. Here's the gist of it: 4 years ago, a backup was made. A few months ago, someone messed up while editing the DB and overwrote a lot of data. D. A. McGee was hired and messed up the backup while trying to restore the data. Now I get to fix the backup so I can restore the data.

Ashwin Gupta

@Mego nvm, didn't read carefully, you are tring to restore original from backup which is screwed up.

Anonymous

(D. A. McGee's full name is Dumb Ass McGee, if you didn't catch that)

Ashwin Gupta

@Mego isn't it lovely when you have to wipe other people's crap off the floor :D!!! Btw, I did catch McGee's full name :D)

El'endia Starman

Idea: do this with Game of Life.

Ashwin Gupta

5:01 AM

Ok seriously though gtg Mego, I haven't finished my book yet and I've got to write about it tomorrow so cya!

Anonymous

The backup was originally in a tarballed, gzipped set of SQL files. McGee took that, loaded it into a DB instance, and then made an archive of the DB's files (without keeping the original backup data). So now I get to try to figure out how to reconstruct a database from an archived /opt/db rather than the nice and simple SQL files.

Anonymous

Bye Ashwin, best of luck

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

...

Is there anyone in here?

El'endia Starman

I'm never sure whether to respond to such a question or stay silent just for kicks.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

And now it's too late. :P

El'endia Starman

5:11 AM

Yeah, I chose the former this time. Sometimes I choose the latter. :P

Sp3000

I usually just say no

Anonymous

5:22 AM

No anyones in here, sorry

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ only a DJ, a goat, a penguin, a triangle?, a city, and a penguin.

El'endia Starman

Impossible triangle and/or hedgehog.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

City?

El'endia Starman

Sp3000 is a city.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

oh

Sp3000

5:33 AM

Oh? Last time I checked I was a vacuum cleaner

Anonymous

Could be either; it's hard to tell

Anonymous

Looks like the result of a Voronoi map with sections whose sizes are proportional to the distance from the top-left corner

Sp3000

5:50 AM

Oh, as in avatar, right.

Anonymous

6:15 AM

19

Q: Can a topological manifold have different tangent bundles?

We know that the tangent bundles of the sphere arising from different smooth structures are equivalent as vector bundles. Is it right in general? I want to know the relationship between the set of smooth structures and these tangent bundles.

dg.differential-geometry differential-topology

Anonymous

None of those are words

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Those damn mathers, making up words.

El'endia Starman

We, like programmers, are rather uncreative when it comes to naming things. :P

Mars Ultor

sudo apt-get install vector tangent

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Math-people and programmer-people both have a lot of terminology that is gibberish to the layman :P

Sp3000

6:17 AM

"Damn those programmers, making up words. What are these 'deques' they speak of"

Anonymous

"These classes are too coupled; have you considered refactoring them into an interface?"

Mars Ultor

@Mego But those are the least technical words D:

@Sp3000 And mutex

Anonymous

A programmer would know exactly what you meant. A layman would blink a few times and then smack you upside the head with a wrench. Disclaimer: I don't know many laymen, so the wrench bit was just an assumption.

Anonymous

"This multi-core processor is capable of hyperthreading, but you still have to use mutexes and semaphores to make sure you don't get any data races."

Sp3000

I guess it's more fun when it's using words they do know, just in the wrong context: "I don't think that graph is a tree, but it might be a forest"

6

Mars Ultor

6:20 AM

@Mego *race condition

Anonymous

Layperson is thinking about horses or NASCAR at the end of it

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Anonymous

It was their main recruiting poster, hung nearly ten feet up a wall! This means the hackers have LADDER technology! Are we headed for a future where everyone has to pay $50 for one of those locked plexiglass poster covers? More after the break ...

Anonymous

Also:

Anonymous

2

Anonymous

6:22 AM

Oh right, that's where I got the wrench thing from

Sp3000

Related: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

I so happy right now! I just posted my first answer in a language I've been working on!

0

A: Expand a C array

V, 37 Bytes (noncompeting) 2Eé0òYp6ldf ò$dT]ddÎdwf{xwC; gg"1P V is a 2D, string based golfing language, designed off of vim. This works as of commit 17, which was published after the creation of this challenge, making this a non-competing answer. Explanation: This is pretty much a direct tr...

Anonymous

Neato. I hate when people don't upvote answers in new golfing languages, so I upvoted it :)

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

\0/

Anonymous

I never get any love for my Seriously/Actually answers :(

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:28 AM

Now I just need to answer something that isn't my own challenge.

El'endia Starman

@Mego I just realized that CIA is emphasized that way in both listener panels. The action is a lot less trivial to the computer experts, but it's still the CIA.

Martin Büttner

7:27 AM

@HelkaHomba where's the "none of the above" option? ;)

aditsu

@aditsu so, looks like I've just received the rest :p

Martin Büttner

oh neat :)

I've been waiting for the second half as well

were you one of the lucky 30 to get the book? :P

aditsu

nope

but it's ok

in other news, one of my most important domains recently expired because I didn't get any notification to renew it, because my mail server rejected the notification emails, because the registrar has an invalid SPF record

(I was still able to renew it)

Mars Ultor

@aditsu How many domains do you have?

aditsu

about 13

Mars Ultor

7:36 AM

O.o why?

aditsu

I have many ideas and wanted to get the domains while they're available

most of them are still unused -_-

Mars Ultor

@aditsu Also, your home/homepage/whatever domain hasn't been updated in ages

aditsu

true

well, I updated some code more recently than the content :p

Helka Homba

7:50 AM

@MartinBüttner How would you say it?

Martin Büttner

there is no English equivalent... I dug up a youtube video once where the name is said... it's somewhere in the depths of the transcript

Aug 31 '15 at 20:19, by Martin Büttner

Retrospektive »Werner Büttner. Gemeine Wahrheiten«

►

Aug 31 '15 at 20:19, by Martin Büttner

the first spoken sentence contains the name Werner Büttner

Helka Homba

Eh. Butter is close enough.

Martin Büttner

...

Helka Homba

Sounds tastier, you gotta admit

Mars Ultor

> Occupational name for a cooper or barrel-maker, an agent derivative of Middle High German büte(n) "cask", "wine barrel". This name occurs chiefly in eastern German-speaking regions.

Martin Büttner

7:56 AM

it's basically Cooper

oh yeah it says that right there

Mars Ultor

Where?

Martin Büttner

"Occupational name for a cooper..."

Mars Ultor

oh wait I didn't see that before

aditsu

"byut-ner" is closer

Martin Büttner

I don't know... there's no y sound in the name and the u sound is still off

aditsu

7:59 AM

that's because it's kind of in between

Mars Ultor

Sounds more like Btner

(depending on how people pronounce words with missin vowels)

zyabin101

Hello

aditsu

3 months later…

hi

Mars Ultor

17 universes later...

aditsu

oh, I know: Bümlaüttner

Meysam

8:14 AM

Hey guys, this is an off-topic question, but I thought maybe I could get a quick answer here from English speaker :) What's the meaning of initiative in this context?
"In a career spanning 12 years, he has advised on a wide range of **initiatives**, regulatory issues and multi-billion dollar transactions in the Middle East & North Africa, US, Europe and Asia."

zyabin101

3 months ago...

Mars Ultor

> an act or strategy intended to resolve a difficulty or improve a situation; a fresh approach to something

From Google

zyabin101

8:56 AM

@EasterlyIrk @EasterlyIrk @EasterlyIrk v

I once got to second base with a basketball player. She was so confused.

There's a "Riker" somewhere in this comic :P

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