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12:11 AM
 
Well, it's not GS2.
 
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Q: Tips for participating in popularity contests

Digital TraumaWe have lots of tips for golfing in specific languages, but what about other types of challenge? Has anyone wondered how to improve their popularity-contest answers? What general tips do you have for gaining popularity (i.e. upvotes) in popularity-contests? I'm looking for ideas which can be a...

 
LOLOLOLOL
A Wild @DoorHandle appeared!
 
@Mauris I knew adding all the interpreter I could find would eventually become useful :D
 
12:31 AM
Oh, you.
I like your strategy! :)
 
The only problem is getting most of them to work :( (Versert was a nice choice btw - only problem was that I thought it was a nice choice too :P)
 
Yes, and I tried to make it look very un-fungoid, too.
The matching {} are a red herring, of course
 
1:19 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

PhiNotPiMusical Washing Machine I have a washing machine with a knob and several buttons. The knob selects the type of laundry and the buttons cycle through water temperature, etc. options. When pressed, these each create a musical note. There are five musical notes that can be made, in this ascending...

 
Nice. I wrote the esolangs article about Starry and completely forgot about that fact.
 
Ahaha did you? Nice :D
 
Yeah, it's from Yutaka Hara's actual friggin' book about esolangs that I think you can still order from MyNavi.jp
In Japanese. Of course.
It's a ridiculous thing that exists and I want it a little ;-;
 
1:34 AM
I would but shipping :P (and I'd rather not eBook)
@orlp Would you happen to be here?
 
The print version is about $30 USD (excluding shipping).
There's a Japanese bookstore in Seattle. I wonder if they carry it.
 
1:51 AM
I would not expect them to carry it.
The book is probably a little too esoteric for their tastes.
 
I don't really expect them to have it, but it's worth a check.
 
You wouldn't even find it in a bookstore in Japan, I think...
 
Idk man. YOLO.
 
I love The Lonely Island.
 
2:32 AM
@Mauris btw if your thing works in KEMURI, I don't think that's a valid language
(if it's not, then I'll submit it as my guess and say I got it wrong)
 
@Sp3000 That's what I get for testing it before I post.
Now do nimi's. :P
 
?
 
I downloaded the FlogScript interpreter and fixed it for my PHP version because I wasn't sure if it was FlogScript. Should have taken the risk.
 
I tested on anarchy golf
 
That would have been easier. Do you have a link?
 
2:37 AM
Just pick any problem on the site, basically
Unprintables show up as well, which is nice
 
Should find one without any input..one I tested didn't work because there was input
I still guessed it correctly though
 
Oh... in that case the first Hello world challenge, I guess
 
Haha Digital Trauma's tips post for popcons has 3 close votes, all with different reasons.
 
I must be blind but I find no way to test code there.
 
"use form"
 
2:41 AM
Wouldn't that post an entry to the challenge?
Nevermind. no deadline, the server will not save your submission
 
Someone's username: ~kazoo(). Haha, kazoo destructor.
 
It wouldn't save it if you got it wrong anyway, which should be the case in the right language :P
 
A large fraction of challenges have no input
Use a different one so you won't post an answer
 
You have to be kidding me! I spent 6 hours trying to compile Curry and it's available on Anarchy Golf!
 
Haha
Hahaha
 
2:46 AM
It's not funny. :(
 
I'm sorry
 
On the bright side... now you know? :D (also great for testing random other stuff like Burlesque and whatnot)
 
There's something I don't get. They seem to show linfeeds as grayed out \ns, yet nimi's code shows none for Zsh.
 
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@Dennis That's funny - nimi's seems to work on anarchy golf's Zsh
... oh wait, does anarchy golf strip trailing newlines?
If so, this could be a problem
 
2:53 AM
Look like it. GolfScript doesn't show a trailing LF.
 
If there are multiple trailing newlines, I believe it shows all but the last
 
Hm... what are you testing with? I don't seem to be getting that...
 
Nope. "test\n" should have two LFs in GolfScript, shows none.
 
oh
It does judge your solution wrong if you have more than one though
I think...
 
Damn, so we can't use anarchy for multiple linefeed ones D:
(btw anyone doing MickyT's?)
 
2:57 AM
Not right now.
 
'Hello, world!' n n n n solves the hello world problem in GolfScript.
So it strips all trailing newlines.
 
I guess the only solution is to add another print afterwards, then
... yeah two newlines for Zsh, nvm
 
Huh, I guess if you can get your program to print \ns forever and time out, it's a valid solution on anagol
Wait, no, timeout = automatically fail
 
@AlexA. <shrug>
 
:P
 
3:06 AM
@Sp3000: Oops, I suppose KEMURI doesn't count, yeah.
 
:P
 
:P
 
@AlexA. 6 upvotes, 0 downvotes, 5 good answers and 3 disparate closevotes - most curious
 
Most curious indeed, good fellow.
 
Which statistic will prevail? Let the most popular option win.
 
3:09 AM
oh and I saw it in the hot network list too
perhaps it needs two more close-votes - `unclear what you're asking` and `duplicate of...`, just for completeness ???
`
I guess I wasn't sure how this question was going to be received
 
Personally I feel like it's bringing out the worst of the site, but maybe it'll get people to think a bit more about how they vote :P
 
@Sp3000 How so?
 
@Sp3000 pop-cons in general, or this question, or the disparate dv reasons?
 
e.g. sometimes I feel like people go "Ooh fancy animated GIF, +1". Might just be me having a wrong impression though
 
looks like "too broad" was retracted
 
3:15 AM
Hm
 
@AlexA. how about bolding However, don't include images just for the sake of including images; they should improve the post in a meaningful way?
 
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A: Six simple tips to get reputation fast on any Stack Exchange site

Michael StumTo be perfectly honest, I absolutely agree with #3. A bit of formatting Makes the post more readable proves that the user put a bit of effort into it prevents the "Wall of Text crits you" effect stands out allows me to spot important points more easily puts some structure into the posting And...

that bunny with a pancake
 
@DigitalTrauma Done
 
@Maltysen are you saying this is a dup? ;-)
 
@DigitalTrauma no just pointing out the bunny with a pancake on its head in regards to gratuitous images
the similarity between the questions is just a coincidence ;)
 
4:18 AM
Too bad @Doorknob wasn't here to face his nemesis @DoorHandle
and now they are gone
 
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Q: Solve a game of Accordion

Nathan MerrillAccordion is a solitaire card game I recently came across where nearly every layout is solvable, but incredibly hard. 52 cards are placed in a random order. Each turn, you remove the first of two cards that: Share a suit or a number and Are at a distance of 0 (adjacent) or 3 (two cards in bet...

 
4:47 AM
@Dennis were you the one voting too broad? If so, I'm curious why.
 
@NathanMerrill If I had voted too broad, I wouldn't have bothered leaving a comment about the rules. :P
 
ok
I thought that it didn't match your comment very well
but its not uncommon for close votes to be accompanied by a comment
 
In any case, I would have voted unclear what you're asking.
 
right :P
 
5:08 AM
@NathanMerrill Why don't you set a time limit for your question?
Then the solutions will be testable, as well as efficient
 
@feersum because I don't know of a good solution
 
Why does that matter?
 
therefore, I don't know what kind of time requirement to place
perhaps, a good solution would only be able to solve it in 30 seconds
or 10 seconds
 
at least require them to run the test cases to completion
Also, it doesn't say what should happen if it's unsolvable
 
"You can assume that each input is solvable"
 
5:12 AM
ok, sorry
 
you're fine :)
 
5:49 AM
@Sp3000 now I am
@isaacg the stop challenge shows we need a function in Pyth that gives the amount of seconds since the epoch (probably as a floating point value)
 
e.g. python's time.time()?
 
functionally equivalent, yes
but IIRC time.clock() is sometimes more precise on Windows
so I'd suggest a more advanced implementation
 
@orlp Checked my sandbox comment?
 
@Sp3000 I did now
@PeterTaylor do you think it's clear enough now? meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…
 
@isaacg I don't think just time.time() would work since that would be a 0 arity function or an option on something
maybe time.time and some date stuff also
 
6:02 AM
@Maltysen what's wrong with an arity 0 function?
 
because that would mean making a new one instead of using an overload
 
I'd rather do a bunch of arity one functions that you choose by number
.n style
 
yeah maybe put this onto .n
we only have like 5 for it
 
problem is
you nearly never care about the absolute epoch time
you nearly always care about an interval
 
time.clock is nice for that
 
6:04 AM
which means that you'll need 6 (!) characters if it's on .n
 
it returns time since first call.
 
@isaacg functions have to be repeatable
 
But we could have one for time since program was started
 
@isaacg besides, that solves nothing - you still have to call twice
 
Time since program was started would be the most useful "epoch" to start at, for timing purposes, as opposed to date purposes.
 
6:05 AM
maybe a lambda
with no params
 
I think in Pyth5 I'll put it under $t or something
@isaacg I'm implementing { right now in Pyth5, which 'uniquifies' a string/list
what should it do on numbers?
 
Hm.
 
we can standardize incusive range
 
we already have
 
right now its } and S
 
6:12 AM
S
 
{ and } is much better
 
I'd leave it open for now, use it when you need a slot later.
 
imho
 
@Maltysen no?
@Maltysen it's U and S
 
no inclusive range
 
6:14 AM
oh I see now what you mean
in Pyth5 I hadn't implemented the arity 2 ranges yet
I guess we can move S to { for single arguments and standardize it, yes
that's a good idea
We agreed before that { should only remove duplicates, right, not sort as well?
 
yeah cuz of the four square challenge
 
@orlp Original order sounds good, preserving information is important.
 
and sorthing is only an additional character anyways, versus preserving original order is 4
 
6:47 AM
@BetaDecay I were in bed already ;(
 
The winky frown and incorrect grammar are confusing me.
 
It's a whining frown ;( == :'( ... sorry for my bad english :D
I guess php sucks for golfing
 
I'm just kidding around
Yes, I believe PHP is not an ideal choice for golfing, though I have seen some reasonably short submissions that use it.
 
Till now I only used php. And I have so much fun with it, but it's not very competitive.
 
I have an idea for cops and robbers
 
6:55 AM
@jrenk If you have fun, that's all that matters. :)
 
people post programs that solves rubik's cubes
 
It's weird isn't it how there's phpgolf.org
 
then if someone posts an input for which your algorithm takes more than 20 moves, you've been robbed
or copped
 
@jrenk I've only ever won a code golf challenge once. Most of the time I use languages like R and Julia, which are ill-suited for golfing, but I have a lot of fun.
 
I forget who's who
@AlexA. come to the dark pyth side
 
6:56 AM
I've dabbled in Pyth. It confuses me less than CJam at least. :P
 
Sounds like a lot of work for the cops
 
I'm happy
 
So I guess you won't be needing to take off your clothes then?
:P
 
YES!
 
@jrenk If there was a 0 byte answer, chances are it'd be breaking some kind of rule or standard loophole anyway
cough MetaGolfScript
 
7:01 AM
Actually, zero-length answer is exactly a standard loophole.
@jrenk What's your first or primary language if not English?
 
@AlexA. only if it uses a non-standard language
 
@AlexA. German
 
like one invented after the challenge was submitted
 
@orlp In what standard language is there a 0-length solution for anything?
 
or one that solves merely one goal (like one of those helloworld languages)
@AlexA. the no-op function?
 
7:03 AM
I mean a 0-length solution for something that would actually address a challenge.
 
or maybe it prints the filename if the file is empty
then you only have to count the filename for the bytecount
 
Right
 
@AlexA. Here
 
Was there ever a 0 byte answer on this site?
 
@jrenk You're in good company, alongside @Dennis, @MartinBüttner, and @flawr (among others, I'm sure).
 
7:05 AM
everyone knows the Dutch > German though
 
@Sp3000 Well shit.
 
@jrenk See above link (there's more examples if you search)
 
@AlexA. Good to know ;)
 
That's the most legitimate one I know though
 
This is actually sick :D
 
7:14 AM
Goodnight all.
 
gn8
 
@jrenk how does that work
gnate?
 
@Maltysen g == good n == n 8 == eight --> good neight --> good n(e)ight --> good night
 
You can golf that down to gN: Good Knight
 
@Sp3000 ahh! thanks for the help ;)
 
7:22 AM
You should add that to the tips page for english :)
 
Just need to make sure nobody invents MetaGoodNight now
 
It would come Str8 from the underground ;))
 
Tps4GlfngInEng:RmvExtrnsWhtspc
 
Camel Case FTW
 
7:40 AM
Nobody is answering my logic system challenge even with the +100 bounty :(
 
Friendly reminder: Bounties aren't magical :P
 
Yup, but I would've liked more attention to the question than 1 answer that isn't updated when I comment with some golfs.
 
I have beaten an Javascript (ES6) answer with PHP! This is the best day of my life
 
8:29 AM
link?
 
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A: A naturally occurring prime generator

jrenkPHP, 101 96 99 98 77 72 bytes <?for(;2>$t=gmp_strval(gmp_gcd(~++$i,7+$e+=$t))or$argv[1]-=print"$t ";); Usage: Call the Script with an argument: php -d error_reporting=0 script.php 30 If you want to test it you need to uncomment ;extension=php_gmp.dll in your php.ini --> extension=php_gmp....

Thanks to the help of primo
 
you beat it.. I was talking about the ES6 answer
 
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A: A naturally occurring prime generator

edc65JavaScript (ES6), 91 Recursive gcd, iterative main function. Not so fast. Usual note: test running the snippet on any EcmaScript 6 compliant browser (notably not Chrome not MSIE. I tested on Firefox, Safari 9 could go) F=m=>{ for(G=(a,b)=>b?G(b,a%b):a,o=[],p=7,n=1;m;d>1&&(o.push(d),--m))...

 
In theory, can't you run a PHP script in a Stack Snippet?
 
8:45 AM
@BetaDecay I'm not sure
 
8:56 AM
hey can you guys help me
I have an idea for a challenge, but I think it has been done before, but I'm not sure
the idea is that your source code must be smaller than C bytes (which is some constant which I've not decided on)
then your code must generate expressions using operators I'll define (think +-*/^, etc) for every number between 1 and N (where N is some constant which I've not decided on)
then your score is the total number of bytes for all expressions
 
Metagolf on expressions has been done, but not exactly like that I don't think
 
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Q: PHP scripts in Stack Snippets

Beta DecayNow I don't know PHP or how exactly it fits into HTML, but I had an idea that you could run a PHP script in a Stack Snippet. Is this true, and if so could you give some examples?

 
hrm
I'm afraid it's too easy to bruteforce
 
C might have to be pretty small, but then that might restrict good answers to golfing languages only
 
9:15 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Beta DecayBattle of the Brainfucks code-golf brainfuck Challenge Using Brainfuck or a Brainfuck Derivative, you must write the shortest program to output the nth self-describing number. Self describing numbers A self describing number is an integer m in which each digit d at position n counts how many...

 
@BetaDecay I'm not sure restricting to BF is particularly interesting. For one thing, Golunar would definitely cause answers to be pretty short already
Once people find the right language, I think most answers will be using the same one
Wait sorry, not Golunar. Gimme a sec
Hmm actually... @BetaDecay what happens when n >= 10?
 
9:32 AM
@Sp3000 Uhm what do you mean?
 
What should the output be for, say, n = 10 or n = 100?
Also, relevant: link
 
Well n = 5 is taking a long time to process, so I don't know at this moment
 
oeis only lists up to n=10
I don't think there are any more self-descriptive numbers
 
So the shortest solution will be to hard-code them
 
^^ see relevant link for xnor's proof
 
9:38 AM
so yeha
I don't think this challenge is a good one
 
For a start it's kind of a dupe :P
 
 
3 hours later…
12:17 PM
Is everybody sleeping?
 
Nope
 
I wish I could downvote on stackoverflow ... head explodes
 
Haha what do you want to downvote?
 
A link only answer .. The link leads to a discussion and in this discussion the problem is solved.
 
I'm sure you can flag it
 
12:33 PM
as what?
 
Not an answer
 
okay thanks
 
In true code golf style, we are now appointing the candidate with the lowest score as a moderator. Thanks for voting!
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@Doorknob haha good idea
 
Oh, and here I thought it was a .
 
12:36 PM
In all seriousness, congratulations @Dennis! I'll see if I can get someone to toss you a diamond soon. :)
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Yay :D
 
@Dennis congrats
 
Congrats @Dennis!
 
1:02 PM
Shine bright like a diamond!​
 
@MartinBüttner I just read the "Labyrinth" description and wanted to note there is already a BF derivative where control flow is determined by the layout of a maze: esolangs.org/wiki/Mice_in_a_maze
 
You must have found a different description than me:
> A selfish 16-year old girl is given 13 hours to solve a labyrinth and rescue her baby brother when her wish for him to be taken away is granted by the Goblin King.
 
@Doorknob pinned message
 
@Geobits Spoiler alert: she writes a brainfuck program which she uses to solve the puzzle.
 
no wonder it took 13 hrs!
 
1:09 PM
Maybe the Labyrinth language should have goblins in addition to mice. Goblins change the layout of the maze when there are no mice in sight
 
@Optimizer That was mainly because a spandex-clad David Bowie kept showing up and erasing the code.
 
1:43 PM
@feersum oh cool, thanks for letting me know. I'll fix the readme later.
 
So there was just a shooting in Virginia, a news reporter and her cameraman just got killed on live broadcast..
 
pinned message guys!
What is this? An all things "death" chatroom?
 
@Vioz- Oh god :( this is horrible
 
Yeah. Reporter was 24, cameraman was 27.
The cameraman's fiancee is a producer for CNN, she was just celebrating her last day with the crew when this happened, as they were about to move to Charlotte (presumably NC).
 
Luckily, the video doesn't contain graphic images of the shooting itself. Unluckily, it doesn't appear to help in identifying the shooter.
 
1:54 PM
Yeah, unfortunately you can't see much. All I could tell is he's wearing something that looks similar to a Nixon mask.
 
Maybe the interviewee can be of help. It seems she's in surgery now, after being shot in the back during the incident.
 
@Doorknob @jrenk @ProgramFOX Thanks!
 
I hope so.
 
@Doorknob Do they toss them just like that? I bet there's some legal stuff first.
 
haha legal stuff :D
 
1:59 PM
Also, I imagine the studio will have the footage ready for the police to check out. Hopefully that will be easier for them to analyze.
 
2:11 PM
@Vioz- Sadly you can't see the face of the offender
 
They may have more (unseen) video from the camera after they cut back to the anchor, though. I assume it didn't just turn off by itself.
 
Yeah. Plus, they have people who can get an accurate description out.
 
From now on, every time you submit a bug report on meta, you should reference Bill Woodger's comments here and be sure to draw those freehand red circles: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/303306/3224483
 
@Dennis Yeah, there's legal stuff. :P
 
You should do that when submitting a bug report anywhere ;)
 
2:16 PM
I prefer red circles drawn with MS Paint
Freehand is for old folks
 
I always assumed freehand meant with a mouse
 
It does, but otherwise unassisted. But MS Paint has a feature where you drag and it makes a perfect circle for you.
 
@Rainbolt Oh those ellipse things - I remember...
 
Oops, how do I erase this red marker off my screen?!
 
lol
 
2:19 PM
The circle tool can only do circles and ellipses, though. If you need to comment with badly moused text (and arrows pointing to the circles, of course), then you need two tools, when one would do if you're freehanding it.
 
I recently tried to use Paint to make a diagram for a question and got so frustrated I just wrote a short jsfiddle instead
 
@Geobits We should weigh the two options in terms of damage to your wrist.
 
I think that would be negligible when compared to, say, any mouse/keyboard game in existence.
 
Option 1: Select circle. Click drag. Select arrow. Click drag.
Option 2: Click drag (arrow stem), drag (left side of arrow), drag (return to point), drag (right side of arrow), release, click drag (circle)
I'd say they are about the same
One requires more dragging
I know from playing Minecraft that dragging hurts the wrist more than just moving around.
 
^
 
2:25 PM
I can believe that. My point was that unless you're drawing them constantly all day, a single gaming session will by far outweigh any freehand circle drawing ;)
Then again, even most legitimate exercises aren't great for your wrists, either. Poor wrists :(
 
Which reminds me... I got a modded server hosted on Creeperhost. It can handle five mindful players. Right now I'm playing with other friends, but I am thinking about restarting once my friends quit playing and Calvin's server dies. Then I'll open it to PPCG users if there is any interest
 
I might be interested :)
 
2:47 PM
When the cloud animation on typescriptlang.org get's disabled because of performance problems you know you need new hardware
 
Ouch :P
 
When it's decided you need a cloud animation on your front page, you know you need new wetware.
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@Geobits They try to show how much Javascript knowledge they have, so I think in this case a cloud animation is okay :D
 
I dunno. I'm not sure how it shows off their JS knowledge much. It's not exactly complicated looking. It seems more like a "You know what would be cool? Clouds." from above to me.
 
Hmm.. It's like adding a drop shadow to Divs to show of your sick CSS skill
 

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