The Nineteenth Byte

jrenk

8:02 PM

Beta Decay

Dr. Chandra... Will I dream?

Alex A.

I don't know what the people who live below me are doing, but it sounds like they're trying to tunnel their way into my bathroom.

flawr

Are they beeing intimate?

jrenk

@AlexA. stand there and wait for them ... naked

flawr

@everyone: What is your top fav movie?

Alex A.

8:12 PM

@jrenk Given that they probably aren't actually trying to tunnel into my bathroom, I'd probably just end up standing naked in my bathroom indefinitely.

Beta Decay

Either Contact or 2001: A Space Odyssey

Alex A.

@flawr Paul Blart: Mall Cop

Geobits

@AlexA. You act like this is a problem.

Alex A.

</joke>

@Geobits If I'm going to be naked for an extended period of time, I'd like to actually do something.

jrenk

@flawr Back to the Future

flawr

8:14 PM

@AlexA. I am sure you will find something to do naked.

@flawr My favourite is Wanted.

Alex A.

I don't know that I've seen Wanted.

(Also I'm not sure what my favorite movie is, but it is not Paul Blart. Haha)

flawr

Wanted (2008 film)

Wanted is a 2008 American-German action thriller film based on the comic book miniseries of the same name by Mark Millar and J. G. Jones. The film is written by Chris Morgan, Michael Brandt, and Derek Haas, is directed by Timur Bekmambetov, and stars James McAvoy, Morgan Freeman, and Angelina Jolie. The storyline follows Wesley Gibson (McAvoy), a frustrated account manager who discovers that he is the son of a professional assassin and decides to join the Fraternity, a secret society in which his father worked. Universal Studios acquired the adaptation rights from Millar in 2004, and while the...

jrenk

Does this chat support gifs?

Alex A.

Yes. Use wisely.

jrenk

Yeah of course

Vioz-

8:17 PM

C# stacks are annoying :(

Alex A.

They sound #. You should exercise caution, perhaps use gloves.

jrenk

I wear glasses because I can't C#

Geobits

I don't C#, but I assumed they'd be pretty easy to use. Aren't they bundled with other structures in a Collections-style class like Java does it?

Vioz-

Yes, they are

But it doesn't seem to function well

Alex A.

Can you call jQuery from C#?

Optimizer

8:21 PM

yes

Alex A.

Good lord, you can.

Geobits

Should you, though? Should you??

Alex A.

Give in, @Geobits. Let the jQuery consume you.

Geobits

Well okay, but only if it's better than JS.

Vioz-

For example, in theory, to rotate a stack once, I can't just pop off the top element and insert it at the beginning

Alex A.

8:22 PM

Just use std::vector<boost::any>.

Geobits

If you need to rotate, maybe you should be using something beside a stack?

Vioz-

I would have to pop the last value, convert the stack to a list, insert it at the beginning, convert back to a stack

Alex A.

Don't do that.

Vioz-

In theory though, because I tried that and I just lose an item :p

Alex A.

Why not just use a list?

Vioz-

8:23 PM

Yeah, I'm not using one now. I was just hoping I could because of the easy Push() and Pop()

Alex A.

You can define Push() and Pop() for lists.

Geobits

Have you ever tried adding a brick to the bottom of a stack of bricks? Same deal :P

Alex A.

Haha

flawr

Well just move the rest of our planet on top of the stack

This way you do not actually have to reverse the stack

jrenk

@BetaDecay are you posting your challenge tonight?

isaacg

8:26 PM

Why did I just get 8 chat pings?

3

Alex A.

Why wouldn't you?

You should really just embrace it.

flawr

Other people do very stupid things in order to get that much attention.

Optimizer

@AlexA. weird. I hover this, and isaacg's message right above yours is highlighted as if you were link replying him. Although there are no links or edits

@isaacg no, you got them around an hour back.

Alex A.

@Optimizer That's odd.

Optimizer

did u actually ping him?

Alex A.

8:39 PM

Does it look like I pinged him?

Optimizer

no

then why would it highlight it -_-

Alex A.

Who knows.

Optimizer

woww

lol

I see

Alex A.

Do you though?

Optimizer

Yes.

Alex A.

8:45 PM

Then it shall be our little secret.

roflcopter

flawr

Dennis

(removed)

Alex A.

@flawr This is a very nice photo of @Dennis.

flawr

@Optimizer == @Dennis

?

jrenk

boolean(false)

Dennis

8:50 PM

That's not me. I never use scarves.

Alex A.

It was for a costume party, @Dennis dressed up like @Optimizer.

Llama suit and all.

Dennis

Maybe a llama, but never a scarf.

Alex A.

flawr

4

Optimizer

lo

l

Alex A.

8:55 PM

@flawr This is extremely confusing to me.

Optimizer

its a bit tad high though

takes more height

flawr

@Optimizer What kind of half assed 'lol' is this???

Optimizer

i chocked in between

flawr

Yeah I know, but I couldn't do any better...

Optimizer

for once i thought u were editing it to roflcopter and then back again and again

:D

Vioz-

8:57 PM

Ohh, that's a gif..

flawr

Can anyone of you repost it? I cannot even enjoy the full beauty as my own messages have a blue background

Optimizer

flawr

Yaaaay=)

Optimizer

I think it was in here a few days back initially

the same gif

Alex A.

@flawr The beauty was in your heart all along.

flawr

8:58 PM

@AlexA. Aw thaanks, that is so cute=)

@Optimizer I am sure it is not exactly the same, as I just made this one

Optimizer

I don't understand why the same thing wont happen again :|

Alex A.

Sappy

flawr

Aaah the smell!!!!

I can already hear it cracking in the fire!

Alex A.

If anything, I think this chatroom would smell like a bunch of sweaty dudes.

aditsu

such (removed), very disappoint

Alex A.

9:03 PM

Amaze

Wow, such

flawr

Beta Decay

@jrenk codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/55293/…

New Main Posts

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Q: Stop! Stand right where you are!

Challenge Write a function which takes one parameter: an integer t. Your function has to stop your program for t seconds before continuing, similar to time.sleep(t) in Python and WAIT t in BBC BASIC. You must not use any built in waiting functions and your program must resume after t seconds. ...

code-golf

Alex A.

I'm considering making my own version of APL called PineAPL because it amuses me.

aditsu

photographic proof? no thanks

Alex A.

9:09 PM

^^^

Beta Decay

@aditsu I've satisfied your worries :)

flawr

I am trying to figure out why f=t=>{x=new Date()|0;while(new Date()|0<x+t*1e3);} does not work=/

Oh

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@AlexA. PineAPLpizza

Alex A.

@flawr I would make sure that using that anywhere in the language would cause a fatal error and submit sudo rm -fr /.

There shall be no pineapple on pizza.

flawr

@AlexA. how mean

Alex A.

Hey, on the bright side, if you're on Windows then rm -fr / doesn't do anything.

Doorknob

9:22 PM

But you're on Windows, which is even worse.

5

Optimizer

and on linux, rm -rf /. doesn't do anything

Doorknob

llama@llama:...Code/snowman/ppcg55293stappit$ rm -fr /
rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on ‘/’
rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe

Optimizer

at least hardware acceleration works.

aditsu

I just had some Hawaiian pizza for dinner, without pineapple (special request) :)

Alex A.

@aditsu Eating Hawaiians is acceptable.

flawr

9:24 PM

@aditsu This is heresy!!!!

Doorknob

@AlexA. Really? I have a friend from Hawaii. I never knew that... brb

Dennis

@aditsu That's like boiled eggs without eggs.

Alex A.

@Dennis So just... boiled?

Optimizer

that's like rice without rice

flawr

@aditsu An empty shell!

aditsu

9:25 PM

no, it's like boiled eggs without shells

flawr

(how poetic)

Optimizer

coffee without water

aditsu

or perhaps, boiled eggs without spiders

Alex A.

It's like listening to a symphony without being hit in the face with a bat.

flawr

fish without spoon?

Doorknob

9:26 PM

@Optimizer without llama

Optimizer

Its like trying to ping someone, without actually pinging

flawr

@Optimizer without scarf

Optimizer

@Door without knob!

Alex A.

@Dennis without ennis.

Doorknob

@Optimizer :O

flawr

9:27 PM

A big @D

Optimizer

@Doorknob chill! there's a handle instead!

pinging without @mention

Doorknob

My mortal enemy... the treacherous Doorhandle

Dennis

@Doorknob without snow.

Optimizer

^ that's real

flawr

You know nothing Jon.

Optimizer

9:28 PM

Jon Skeet without gold badges!

like this?

like what?

this

Shh, only @AlexA. does that

aditsu

pinging without mention

Doorknob

9:30 PM

Dennis

I thought only @AlexA. did that, @Doorknob of Snow.

Doorknob

@Optimizer Nice try. :P

Optimizer

I am cursed now!

Alex A.

@Optimizer You need something in the brackets

Optimizer

It worked without it before

Alex A.

9:31 PM

I don't think so

Doorknob

@Dennis Ahem, it's actually this:

Thank you Doorknob Snowflake thingy — Non-Master Race Dec 3 '14 at 1:11

aditsu

@Optimizer that had something indeed

Doorknob

(That was when I was @Doorknob冰.)

Optimizer

@aditsu no it doesn't. Inspect element it.

flawr

[](@Optimizer)

aditsu

9:33 PM

I did

Optimizer

i manually typed that. So I am pretty sure

flawr

darn

How does that owrk???

Doorknob

like this

Dennis

@Doorknob That's hilarious, @NotDoorknob冰.

Optimizer

ah, maybe I did copy paste...

aditsu

9:34 PM

it's easy

Optimizer

what ascii code is that?

Doorknob

@NotDennis I know!

(did that ping you? I don't see the hover effect when I hover over it. :P)

Dennis

It did.

Optimizer

liar

:P

Doorknob

Oh, I think it's because there's two pings in the message.

Optimizer

9:36 PM

first one highlights

flawr

bloody hell

Martin Büttner

woooo Zgarb is back :)

Alex A.

@flawr You need something other than a regular space character

Beta Decay

@Doorknob If, say the input of t is 5, you are allowed your final timing to be in the range of 4.9-5.1 seconds

I gotta go, but @Geobits can you explain the tolerance to Doorknob? :)

Doorknob

@BetaDecay Yes, but Snowman only gets 1-second time precision, so my program waits in the range of 4.000001-5 seconds

New Meta Posts

9:40 PM

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Q: Why is PCG meta not available in HTTPS?

I just tried https://meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com and got a warning that this site cannot be accessed securely. Is there a reason why PCG Meta is not accessible securely? Meta.SO for example is available in HTTPS.

discussion meta

Alex A.

Anna: "Do you want to build a snowman?"
Doorknob: "Yes, for this purpose I've created the Snowman programming language."
Anna: "..."

Doorknob

@AlexA. :D

Dennis

Hmmm, 24 megabytes. I can already taste this download failing.

Alex A.

@Dennis I tend not to lick my downloads.

Dennis

But they taste like ham and pineapple.

Optimizer

9:45 PM

@Dennis I don't even see 24MB being downloaded. It happens so quickly.

Dennis

I'm currently downloading at 10 KiB/s... That's really the repo's fault though.

And Martin's, for creating a challenge that requires me to install a gazillion compilers. :P

Alex A.

@Dennis Why do I think I don't lick them? :P

aditsu

so I revealed my first quiz answer...

Optimizer

@Dennis BTW, How is the taste of failure?

Alex A.

WHOA! Shots fired.

Beta Decay

9:50 PM

@Doorknob Oh I see... Well I'm afraid there's nothing that can be done :P

Martin Büttner

@aditsu that seems a bit dodgy

aditsu

I suppose it is :p

Martin Büttner

"write a full program in the chosen language which prints Hello, World! (exactly like that, i.e. this exact byte stream)"

Optimizer

underhanded too

aditsu

@MartinBüttner that was not the first problem I suspected it has

my pi-looking answer is legit though

Dennis

9:53 PM

@aditsu @MartinBüttner Is Deadfish considered a programming language?

Martin Büttner

oh and that

aditsu

well, esolangs does say "Deadfish is a very odd interpreted programming language" ^_^;

Alex A.

Can haz Turing completeness?

aditsu

but yeah, I guess I won't get too mad if my answer gets disqualified; I even wrote something related to that if you look at the edit history

Dennis

@aditsu Martin's questions links to this definition though, which requires the language to be capable of addition and primality testing.

Martin Büttner

9:56 PM

@aditsu I did invalidate it. it doesn't matter much for this answer because it's nowhere near winning, but if I allow it we might get competitive answers which aren't crackable because no one considers languages that don't print that exact byte stream.

aditsu

right, well, it was fun anyway :)

Beta Decay

10:08 PM

Who would make a language these days that doesn't output characters in some way or form?

aditsu

scientists

Beta Decay

Of course :D

aditsu

anyway, that language is almost 10 years old, not exactly "these days"

Beta Decay

Oh I didn't know that. Seems like it'd be younger than that

Dennis

10:27 PM

I hate Haskell.

Sp3000

What did Haskell do to hurt you? D:

Alex A.

It seems like the corners and edges wouldn't be as dangerous as C#.

Dennis

@Sp3000 I'm trying to compile a compiler (?) in Haskell. It needs features from the base and 98 packages, but I cannot enable both at the same time.

Sp3000

Ah... damn :/

Dennis

It's for nimi's answer. I'm pretty sure it would work.

Beta Decay

10:33 PM

Is Haskell usually used for making compilers? Wouldn't be my first choice

Alex A.

After all, nimi does use Haskell almost exclusively.

@BetaDecay Haskell should be used for nothing.

Dennis

@BetaDecay It's for a Haskell derivate. I can only find pre-built binaries for x86. :(

Strangely, those were made with GCC.

Zgarb

Haskell is great for interpreters, at least.

Beta Decay

Cool :)

redbubble.com/people/kovacs/works/…

↑ Also cool

Dennis

It's really frustrating. I get no errors from the pre-built compiler, but the linker fails because of the 32-bit library.

Alex A.

10:39 PM

@Dennis Are you on 64-bit Ubuntu?

Dennis

@AlexA. openSUSE.

Alex A.

Haha I used to have an openSUSE VM but it mysteriously died. I was okay with that though because the OS confused the hell out of me.

If you have a 64-bit OS, you can still run 32-bit applications, so why not get a 32-bit compiler?

Beta Decay

:D spreadshirt.co.uk/…

Alex A.

Ha.

Dennis

@AlexA. The 32-bit compiler works, but the linker claims the library is incompatible.

Alex A.

10:44 PM

Huh

Dennis

Ah, that's a GCC error. I suppose I'd need 32-bit GCC.

sighs

Alex A.

:/

Zgarb

So the problem was C, not Haskell ;)

Alex A.

He wouldn't have had the problem had he not been trying to use Haskell in the first place.

Dennis

No, the problem is that I have to use 10 year old precompiled stuff because GHC refuses to work with Haskell 98 features.

Alex A.

10:47 PM

^ Haskell's fault

Haskell: Not Even Once.

Dennis

I'm going to be so pissed if I manage to compile he compiler and it's the wrong language. :P

Alex A.

Hahaha

aditsu

I wonder if there's a series of languages L0...Ln, where you have an interpreter or compiler of L(k+1) written in Lk, and L0 is something like brainfuck and Ln is something like C

Beta Decay

I'm glad I haven't ventured beyond BASIC and Python. Nice, easy, welcoming languages :)

Zgarb

Have you looked at this: stackoverflow.com/questions/9555671/…

I'm not exactly sure what you're doing, so that may not help...

Dennis

10:53 PM

I tried ghc -package haskell98 -hide-package base, which doesn't work, because I need stuff from base as well.

The accepted answer might help. I'd have to look where to change those things.

Vioz-

Man, I'm trying to make a Stuck interpreter in C#, Python is so much friendlier :P

Dennis

Why C#?

Vioz-

I use it every day, I probably know it better than Python

Zgarb

@Dennis Okay, in that case this may be of interest (at least the description suggests so): hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell98

I don't have access to Haskell right now, so I can't test any of my suggestions... And anyway, I need to leave now for a while. Hope your problem gets solved.

Dennis

@Zgarb Oh, that looks interesting. Thanks! Now I only have to figure out how to make GHC see the new package.

Mauris

11:20 PM

@Dennis I'm running x86, so I could check for you.

I don't really care about cracking the answer! I could make a (wrong) guess first, if that makes me any more trustworthy. I just don't think "spending lots of time getting the damn language to work" is in the spirit of the Quiz :)

Dennis

@Mauris That would be great!

Mauris

(I dunno if there's some kind of PM on this chat?)

Alex A.

@Mauris You can make a separate room for you and Dennis but it's still public. (Anyone could join and/or see it.)

Dennis

@Mauris The link should show up in your inbox.

Mauris

Gotcha.

Sp3000

11:24 PM

If it's nimi's, I could help add to the guess count :P

Dennis

Worst PM system ever. :P

Yes, it's nimi's.

Sp3000

What, post comment on really old answer? :P

(for the PM system, I mean)

Dennis

Post, ping, delete.

Your idea would actually be better.

Alex A.

Or you can just trust the folks in here not to ninja it from you.

We're all adults here (except for Doorknob technically, though he's more mature than many of the adults I know).

Mauris

Wow, this sure is a binary only if you stretch the definition of "binary" really hard.

Alex A.

11:29 PM

Haha

Dennis

@AlexA. In my experience, age has nothing to do with honor.

Alex A.

The only Mac binary is for the PowerPC architecture! Haha!

@Dennis Fair enough. But still, I consider the folks in here generally trustworthy.

Dennis

@Mauris Yeah, it's all a little weird. bin/cyc hello.curry should do the trick.

Alex A.

Oh shit, curry sounds amazing right now.

Dennis

The extension seems to be important.

Alex A.

11:31 PM

I need some curry in a hurry.

Dennis

Me too!

Alex A.

Speaking of which, several years ago I wanted to make a drive-thru Thai restaurant called Curry in a Hurry.

Mostly for the name.

Mauris

Wow, Interface for module Prelude not found.

Dennis

Magnificient.

Mauris

If I try to compile anything, or type anything into cyi

Dennis

11:34 PM

Well, thanks anyway.

Do you have a fully working Haskell 98 by any chance?

Alex A.

Reminds me of my favorite message from Windows: "Do you trust the application Windows Security Center?" Come to think of it, I don't really.

Mauris

hub.darcs.net/wlux/curry/browse/curry/Prelude.curry#756

print t = putStrLn (show t). So it'll do the same thing as in Haskell, meaning it's not Curry.

Dennis

Argh!

I'm starting to think it's not really a Haskell derivate.

Alex A.

Does it work in Foo?

Dennis

Haha. Nope.

Alex A.

11:37 PM

The fact that it isn't Curry does not diminish my craving for curry.

Dennis

The first version did. The second appended a "\n".

Without that "\n", it would work in zsh and ksh.

Mauris

@Dennis Yeah, me too. Where main = do is a NOP, and print does the usual thing

Dennis

Or at least a non-fatal syntax error.

But those usually happen in shells and esolangs. And shells append another linefeed.

Alex A.

Brb, going to get some curry for dinner with @Doorknob and his family.

Optimizer

Remember, its not curry without curry

Beta Decay

11:48 PM

Doorknob's family:

Optimizer

11:59 PM

i don't see his uncle @DoorHandle

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