The Nineteenth Byte

Runer112

3:01 PM

remember, when traffic hits 4, quality will start dropping 2 days in a row

so in cases like this, we need to prioritize downvote first

oh, guess it already started

and you can often get away with not upvoting at all with 4 traffic

users goes up automatically over time

PhiNotPi

There's somebody else in stats messing up my strat.

Runer112

this is where we need to start prioritizing downvote, guys

or that happens

rcrmn

Which one is the stats SE?

PhiNotPi

Runer112

I just rejected a stat for 4 turns and lost :p

so that's clearly not always allowed

I'd say 3 ignores is as much as you can safely do

inb4 quality decay

rcrmn

3:09 PM

@PhiNotPi Are you sure this strategy will work, having traffic at 0?

Runer112

inb4 quality decay again

and again

Calvin's Hobbies

@PhiNotPi In red vs blue is eliminating stay still moves really necessary with the asym move thing? I don't think the opposition stalemate thing still applies, does it?

Runer112

ooh lucky us

PhiNotPi

@Calvin'sHobbies I don't think it's needed.

Calvin's Hobbies

You don't think eliminating staying still is needed?

PhiNotPi

3:11 PM

I was basing my stats strat off of something that was, apparently, a faultly premise.

rcrmn

which was?

Oh well, I understand the use of the Restart button now, it could serve if you wanted to improve the strategy and average time and restart the game when you were too long in getting there...

Optimizer

@rcrmn no never.

average, you can improve in next run, but the number of runs matter a lot

specially when others are not all tie breaking with us

rcrmn

I know! but in another universe it would have that purpose

If number of wins wasn't as important, for example, it would be more important to restart the game when you saw you could not get as low as you would

Optimizer

we are not in that universe

rcrmn

I know... do you think they already have flying cars there?

Geobits

3:24 PM

Flying cars are a terrible idea though.

Well, unless completely automated. Then not so bad.

rcrmn

Depends on how they fly and who drives them

Geobits

Who drives them = not humans.

rcrmn

ofc

Runer112

no downvote pls

phew

back on top, if not only for a while

Geobits

For about 150-160 days until Anime clears their next.

Runer112

3:33 PM

yeah

alternate ask and answer

ugh

Geobits

At this rate it will just end up being decided by what part of the cycle the end of the game comes at.

rcrmn

And if raiders succeed at keeping us back again...

In an hour I have to go, when I get home I'll turn on the pc to start the bot again... can't let them beat us

Runer112

what's the best anyone has graduated in?

Geobits

They've been getting raided off and on, too, judging from their chat.

Maybe not quite as heavily, but I couldn't say for sure.

Runer112

they're not getting raided at all right now

whereas we're about to restart due to raiders

rcrmn

3:37 PM

so haters

Runer112

please ignore the tiny size, my monitor is way too big for how close I'm sitting to it

don't touch that site please, btw :p

graduation in 97 days

rcrmn

Wow

how did you manage that?

Runer112

with a planned strategy, which is unfortunately hard to do in numbers larger than one lol

Pietu1998

Currently writing a bot for this :D

rcrmn

Yes, but planned how?

Runer112

3:44 PM

basically, let things go into the alert for as long as possible

and intercept decays as much as possible

rcrmn

okay, but in graduation? how?

Runer112

basically same strategy for graduated

rcrmn

I mean, before graduating you only have two stats

Runer112

you mean before public beta?

I just alternate back and forth there, easy

rcrmn

yes

ah okay

Runer112

3:45 PM

guarantees no decay except for the very first turn

rcrmn

All right, I was mistaken, I thought you meant the other way, my fault

and what did you max out first? what order?

Runer112

generally questions, then answers, then quality, then users

but questions and answers go up together

rcrmn

okay

Who is running the pcg one? it's just wrong, is it not?

Runer112

I don't know what logic is behind PPCG any more

rcrmn

It's just wrong

someone is running a very bad bot

Runer112

3:54 PM

I think it's humans lol

138 days to maxed traffic

rcrmn

I hate whoever is doing it so wrong

Geobits

@Doorknob Tease. I clicked over just for (removed) :(

rcrmn

four suboptimal bots are not easy to counter

TheBestOne

I actually had a top-down bot running on PPCG all night.

rcrmn

So? people here are graduating in under 100 days, strategy counts for a lot

TheBestOne

4:08 PM

So, what is the best strategy?

Runer112

OH NO MISCLICK

bleh that's going to cost me a day or two

hmm, maybe not actually

rcrmn

generally questions, then answers, then quality, then users
but questions and answers go up together

(I don't know how to quote)

basically, let things go into the alert for as long as possible
and intercept decays as much as possible

Runer112

hmm, 235 is actually tricky to beat

TheBestOne

Are Users valuable at all?

Runer112

eventually, yes

rcrmn

4:13 PM

Yes

but it dpeends on when

@Runner112, what happens if downvoting when red users?

Runer112

nothing special

TheBestOne

@rcrmn I actually tried that on woodworking.se, it makes you restart earlier.

rcrmn

okay, just checking

don't be afraid of red

it keeps red for 3 turns

better to avoid decay of questions and answrs

Runer112

ask facepalm

what is with these asks

dumb bots?

rcrmn

sorry, one was me

was trying to avoid decay

why did answers decay?

TheBestOne

4:21 PM

@Runer112 Because I'm not good with javascript.

Runer112

we sometimes get asks when questions is full and others things aren't, which I don't understand lol

TheBestOne

Not mine :)

Runer112

happy easter, reverse engineering

now where's that meta post for fastest finish...

Calvin's Hobbies

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Q: What's the shortest time for a completed StackEgg?

While the leaderboards show the most completed and the average time for completion, what's the shortest time for a completed StackEgg so far?

Runer112

got it, thanks

rcrmn

4:27 PM

gg

Runer112

0

A: What's the shortest time for a completed StackEgg?

Reverse Engineering, 227 days Happy Easter/upcoming holiday day of your choice, from PPCG. :) http://i.imgur.com/1ubzCui.png

TheBestOne

4 upvotes simultaneously

Runer112

I saw haha

I might try again somewhere else

TheBestOne

I'm going to see how many times you can close with 0 questions.

Runer112

I tried some riskier strats, some of which didn't pay off, but others which definitely did

@TheBestOne good idea

rcrmn

4:32 PM

PCG's egg is going to be a slow one, it seems

TheBestOne

@rcrmn I forgot to mention that my bot also places a priority on keeping stats full.

Runer112

give me all the internet points

rcrmn

anyway, it gives priority to users when what is most important are answers and quality

and they are both at 0

questions have to be up for answers not to decay

users go up with traffic

this is the exact opposite of what should be done

Runer112

gotta go eat lunch

Rainbolt

I just pwned you runer: meta.stackexchange.com/a/252511/254466

Calvin's Hobbies

4:40 PM

Can someone with an even PPCG user id number answer meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/4954/… with return 1. I just changed it to not allow edits after 6 hours and wiped out the red team samples.

TheBestOne

I can delete my first answer.

Calvin's Hobbies

Hang on

Sure go ahead. Thanks

Doorknob

@Geobits Accidentally hit enter :)

TheBestOne

If a stat decreases 1 when full, should I wait until the turn after to increase it?

rcrmn

Yes

Rainbolt

4:47 PM

If it's the only stat that's down one, then no.

rcrmn

Unless

If it's Quality and Traffic is 3 or 4 then you should up it right away, or it will go down again the next day

I've gotta go

Geobits

Cool, we got reset! Posting even better records on Meta may have struck a nerve with some people :D

Runer112

@Rainbolt d'oh

foiled again

Rainbolt

I quit caring about winning the moment we were not allowed to employ all of the options available to us.

Runer112

But I learned some things in my run that might let me make a faster run

Rainbolt

4:54 PM

But it was still fun setting the record. I hope someone beats it.

Runer112

I'll try :p

Rainbolt

New meta post: "PPCG users are setting records on ghost sites now. We should ban them."

Geobits

We figured out the fastest (so far) strategies, and won the enmity of all of SE. What more is to be gained by playing? Game over man ;)

Runer112

@Rainbolt did you employ any radically different strategy, like closing?

Rainbolt

I made small gains here and there. The largest gain I found was starting with a cycle of Ask Answer Downvote instead of just Ask Answer. You can actually juggle all three without any of them decaying after the first go round.

If you have to save Users due to a warning, then you get a decay. Skip one stat in the cycle since you already lost it, and continue.

Geobits

4:58 PM

@Rainbolt Your meta post was edited to remove the invitation here lol.

Runer112

Neat, I'll give that a try

Rainbolt

Seriously?

Runer112

I didn't really employ anything groundbreakingly new, just implemented our strategy perfectly

Rainbolt

Why would he remove the invitation?

Geobits

No idea, but I figured I'd let you handle it however you wanted rather than asking myself.

Rainbolt

4:59 PM

@Runer112 I also used a flag to get a star in both Traffic and Users at the same time as soon as I hit a sweet spot with the other three. So it was basically a two for one.

Runer112

Star gives traffic? That doesn't sound right

Geobits

@Rainbolt Flags are 10 days, so if you used one that changes the "effective days" as far as the leaderboard is concerned.

Rainbolt

Flag gives one star in everything that has zero stars.

@Geobits Yea I was going for shortest days, not shortest effective days

Runer112

Traffic is a weird stat, thoygh

Rainbolt

I just added back the strategy invitation. Doesn't seem to be harming anyone.

TheBestOne

5:07 PM

I'm surprised that SO is in 4th place.

Rainbolt

I have 18 downvotes here, and only a net loss of 3 rep. Anyone want to do the math for me since I can't see the vote count?

ProgramFOX

+3/-21

Calvin's Hobbies

Is there a site that lets you query SE chat data? Cause I'd love to see the comment frequency graph of this room for the last 72 hours or so.

Rainbolt

Thanks

Runer112

shouldn't that be +7

Rainbolt

5:09 PM

Oh, sorry. I can't read.

I only saw today's net loss. I'm actually +15/-44, for a total net loss of 29.

TheBestOne

public beta, both answer and quality go down at same time. What is best choice?

Rainbolt

Gah. He just removed the link again.

Unihedro

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 54 secs ago, by bjb568

I've explained in edit summary.

Rainbolt

He can explain his opinion all he wants. I disagree with it, and it's my post.

Calvin's Hobbies

Posting one relevant chat link hardly seems like spamming...

Runer112

5:16 PM

@Rainbolt it may or may not be appropriate to mention somewhere in the post that a flag was used, and that affect on its ranking

PhiNotPi

5:35 PM

What is the best known strategy so far?

Hosch250

in The 2nd Monitor, 16 hours ago, by Hosch250

in The Bridge, 49 mins ago, by Rainbolt

PRIVATE BETA: Alternate questions and answers. Simple.
PUBLIC BETA: Alternate questions and answers until one is maxed. Then add in Quality. Then add in Users.
GRADUATED: Alternate questions and answers until one is maxed. Then add in Quality. Then add in Users.
ALL STAGES: Ignore warnings exactly 4 times. Then address them.

Still being trolled?

Runer112

can't ignore 4x

I have multiple times where that failed

Hosch250

OK.

It was working last night.

Runer112

maybe it works sometimes, but certainly not all the time

Hosch250

I don't ignore the warnings, but I also don't use Users.

They go up by themselves.

TheBestOne

5:45 PM

@Runer112 3x for users if downvoting.

Runer112

that's not it

both users and quality have thrown the problem after 4 days

TheBestOne

I would estimate 2x for quality if traffic is maxed.

user23013

decayed stat can be ignored for 2 times

Runer112

3x, I believe

err

decayed? or alert

TheBestOne

4x for questions and answers. 3x for users. 2x for quality.

user23013

5:48 PM

I meant decayed, but others are talking about alert

TheBestOne

Is someone experimenting on woodworking?

ace

For God's sake who are the ones who keep choosing restart?

Runer112

griefers

bots

TheBestOne

I'd like to think anime bots.

Runer112

certainly possible

user23013

5:53 PM

For warnings, I think the time to ignore is decreasing. I tried to make Q&A full in private beta and do nothing until it drop back to zero, then sometimes a restart is forced in the 3rd time.

rcrmn

Well, I've got my follower bot up again, putting it a bit more difficult the anime-bots

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