The Whiteboard

user41796

7:00 PM

@MichaelT Is that still going on?

user55340

@GlenH7 I kind of doubt it... the website looks down.

user55340

On the flip side, it might just be the ring info in Wikipedia...

user55340

Nope. Seems to be down and refrened through multiple approaches.

user55340

Still, the idea was neat.

user55340

durron597

7:05 PM

@rolfl Why wasn't my parent site SO already? It's not based on rep?

user41796

Appears to be DOA: mercurynews.com/michelle-quinn/ci_25912589/…

user55340

@durron597 Its what you set it to.

rolfl

^^^that

user55340

@GlenH7 I'd phrase it as "dead in the water"

durron597

I only have 950 rep here but I like this crowd more than the lounge

maybe i'll start answering questions here now

Huh. my icon in the lower left is the lego jedi but my icon when i send messages is still the default

rolfl

7:06 PM

Ctrl-R

durron597

@rolfl ah there it is.

Thanks

rolfl

np

user55340

The idea of a nomad coder is interesting though... though likely not feasible.

rolfl

nomad or monad?

enderland

@durron597 this is one of the best chat rooms on SE.

rolfl

7:08 PM

lies....

no, truth.... just not the best ;-)

user41796

@rolfl careful now, that's a kickable offense... :-)

user55340

@rolfl nomad... and now you've got me looking for that container house again.

user41796

@MichaelT Interesting concept, but individual logistics seem to make it difficult

user55340

MDU Mobile Dwelling Unit

user41796

for example, how does an individual inventor get on the boat to begin with? Or off? Or selected to be considered? Or they decide they have a life they need to deal with too?

user55340

7:10 PM

user55340

enderland

stuff like that amuses me since it probably costs more to make that than a regular house

user55340

@GlenH7 the inventor owns the boat and goes to where the job is. Gets a slip in a harbor for a period of time (lower cost than owning a home in the area), and then works or commutes from there.

user55340

@enderland Shipping containers aren't that expensive. And that doesn't look like $50-100k of improvements.

user55340

I suspect it would force a southern migration in the winter... I'm not sure how much cold it can handle.

whatsisname

7:14 PM

hmm, a struct with two pointers, or a pointer to a struct with two objects

Im thinking struct with two poitners

durron597

@enderland agreed

user41796

@whatsisname in C?

whatsisname

C++, and by pointer I mean smart pointer but same idea

enderland

@whatsisname if you ever want to delete one of the two objects it seems the struct with two pointers is best?

user41796

Agreed - think through which objects you want to deal with the memory management from within

user41796

7:18 PM

first approach is a struct on your stack and you need to make sure that the things pointed at get freed when your stack closes out.

whatsisname

whats going on here is this is an ECG device, and it sends both filtered and unfiltered data to the client

the filtered data is drawn on the screen, while the unfiltered data gets saved

user41796

second approach means that the struct is a bit more durable, and should free up the objects when destroyed

whatsisname

I could also just have two separate functions for grabbing the data

user41796

pointer to struct with two objects then

user41796

@whatsisname might be better

user41796

7:20 PM

or have a 1st class class that can take care of the component memory management too

Robert Harvey

@MichaelT That's a big hallway. So presumably those are popouts that can be pushed in, and then the whole thing can be moved?

user55340

@RobertHarvey Yep. Notice the power connectors on the ceiling for powering each pop out and the groves.

Robert Harvey

Reminds me of a galley. Or maybe a military domitory.

user55340

Office and dining area.

enderland

7:28 PM

@MichaelT that's an old school TV bwahaha

user55340

Now, if you wanted to spend some money... dudeiwantthat.com/autos/exotic/…

user55340

whatsisname

the more I think about it, the more I think it doesn't really matter and that either approach will be good one way and suck in others, and ultimately be a wash

user55340

And its website: kiravan.net

whatsisname

7:33 PM

Im thinking pointer to struct

Ampt

7:44 PM

@MichaelT Ok, who the hell is the target market for that vehicle?

Video editors who do a lot of filming in the desert?

user55340

@Ampt loaded survivalists?

Ampt

No way. too dependent on fuel with all those electronics and generators

user55340

Techies who think the EleMMent Palazzo is too posh? (dude I want that‌)

Ampt

man that thing ran full speed into the ugly tree.

user41796

@MichaelT dudeiwantthat.com/household/bar/…

whatsisname

7:56 PM

@Ampt: no joke

that thing is hideous

Ampt

It's like they cut down the ugly tree, made it into a battering ram, and then used it to shape the front of that thing

Robert Harvey

Really high-end Burning Man.

user55340

8:13 PM

@RobertHarvey Hmm... 3d printed sugar: cubify.com/en/Store/TheSugarLab "Can only be delivered to Los Angeles County"

enderland

8:32 PM

I like being able to answer IT types of questions from our IT people for applications I didn't develop

Ampt

(which is 110% of the time apparently)

user41796

@Ampt par for the course

enderland

oh man I spent like 2 hours talking to ours yesterday

"did you run teh script?"

"yes"

Ampt

That is a literal excerpt from my conversation with him... sigh

user41796

Neat VS trick:
declare: `var foo = class.Somefunc()`
put the cursor on `var` and you can hit F12 to get to the definition of the return type. Useful when you don't know or don't want to type out the return type.

durron597

8:42 PM

@enderland At my first programming job (internship), it was actually a QA position. I was teaching one of the full time staff how to use the application she was hired to test on my first day of work. She had been working there two years.

user41796

In particular, I had a 3rd party lib where I previously wasn't checking the return type. I could have found it by navigating into SomeFunc() and then jumping to the return type, but this way worked too.

durron597

Though, people who are as dumb as a rock generally make really good additions to your testing staff.

My dad used to say there was this one woman in his office who he would always give her the alpha versions of his code first, she would inevitably break it in the first two hours (usually first 5 minutes) by doing something really dumb that didn't occur to him. he said she was one of the most valuable people to him at the company :-P

enderland

9:04 PM

@durron597 dumb, systematic, all good. I had a similar experience today, someone was trying to do something with a lot of missing information I more or less took as granted for being present in the first place ha

durron597

9:24 PM

so one thing i'm seeing a lot of

with the 10k tools

is that there are a significant number of people who comb through old posts

like this closed post from 5 years ago just got deleted

(10k required)

stackoverflow.com/questions/947376/…

enderland

@durron597 was it deleted by users? or community?

durron597

users

@enderland does diamond on a particular site give you any privileges on other SE sites?

enderland

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Q: Are version control systems a form of design pattern?

I'm having some trouble understanding what a design pattern is and isn't, particularly with respect to version control systems like CVS and Git. Is "push, pop, stack" a "design pattern"? If yes, is CVS the same design pattern? ...clients connect to the server in order to "check out" a compl...

@durron597 Primarily chat, you are a global mod on chat everywhere

but @rolfl and @RobertHarvey showed me something else I can do with user profiles globally so... though I think that was chat related

durron597

Dang. I wish had tried harder to be a mod on puzzles then

(not really. I don't want the responsibility to go with the authority)

enderland

For example, becoming a moderator was the only way I can read half the chat here

;)

durron597

9:32 PM

@enderland Yea I know, I always feel out of the loop :-P

rolfl

@durron597 It's not that only you have to behave all the time, is also that you get to see a fairly ugly side of humanity occasionally too

durron597

I don't mind behaving all the time, I do that anyway

I also wouldn't have a problem seeing the ugly side of humanity. I'm very cynical already

my problem would be handling the flag queue and settling disputes

rolfl

What I can say, is that knowing a bit more about what happens behind the scenes, I can assure you that there's degrees of difficulty in moderating ;-)

The mods on SO have it tougher than most.

@durron597 Funnily enough, those were my concerns too when I was volunteered to be ProTem mod.

durron597

If I were an SO mod I'd feel guilty if I didn't hit 100 flags every day and 200+ most days

rolfl

As it happens, on most sites flags are few... and personality issues/disputes are mostly benign.

durron597

9:36 PM

I only have 10k tools on 2 sites, and one of them is a beta (code golf)... so really the only one i have even an outside chance of becoming a mod of is SO

so that's the one i think about when I think "if I were a mod..."

rolfl

Well, my advice would be to say stay away ;-) (that's my advice for anyone wanting to be an SO mod).

I could not do it.

enderland

the only site I have 10k tools on I am also a mod for

rolfl

I happen to know that most sites have less than 20 or so flags a day in total... and most of them are benign, like 'please migrate', and 'obsolete comment'.

durron597

@rolfl Code review is one of the more active betas right?

rolfl

It's the most active by a fairly wide margin.

stackexchange.com/sites#questionsperday

enderland

9:40 PM

worldbuilding.stackexchange.com is pretty high up there too I'd think

rolfl

Sort that by basically any metric, and CR is the first beta you see.

durron597

67

Q: Code Review SE is graduating!

Many of you have already seen announcements both on main and on meta announcing this site's graduation. At the request of a few of you who were skeptical (or perhaps merely in shocked disbelief), I'm here to confirm that yes, the Community Team has indeed decided that Code Review should graduate....

discussion featured beta-progress

Ask Ubuntu passed server fault?

I haven't looked at that page in awhile.

user20683

@durron597 unsurprising

durron597

@WorldEngineer I feel like every time I've gone on Server Fault they tried to send me to another site

YOU ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH FOR US

user20683

@durron597 They are very specifically for pro sys admins

user20683

9:42 PM

most everything they cover is covered by about 5 other sites in a non pro capacity

durron597

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We are planning to wipe our RHEL 5 HP ProLiant DL360p Gen8 server and put CentOS 6.4 on it. However, there are two major issues that may make the install different than normal: The server is in another state, I am going to have to use iLO virtual media as the installation DVD The server is tota...

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one of three questions I've put there. They were not happy.

user15026

Well, at least its not a negative post score?

durron597

I didn't know about unix & linux SE at the time

user20683

@durron597 They are systems admins, they are not happy by default

2

user15026

@WorldEngineer Yeah, I was going to say, that's in the rules, no? :P

rolfl

9:45 PM

BOFHs

Or is that BOsFH

durron597

I am a professional programmer but I have to be sysadmin too as part of my job because our company is small. Does that make me a professional sysadmin?

rolfl

No, that means when you are dealing with your professional equiptment and tools, you can ask there.

durron597

I wouldn't anymore. They ran me off good

Now all my questions go on either Ask Ubuntu or Unix & Linux

user15026

@durron597 Probably not in the strict sense that they are thinking, but then again, that stuff is so far over my head that I have no idea (yet)

durron597

@rolfl johnjosephadams.com/wastelands/contents/…

rolfl

9:49 PM

@durron597 - I only joined SF 11 days ago for an unrelated reason. I have never been active there... but....

as a day job....

I work in an advanced research lab in IBM, using gear that's top of the line, and often $millions worth.

I still would not ask a question there.

In part, because there's someone in IBM I can ask.... but also, because it's ... well, not friendly

durron597

@rolfl It's so weird, every stack exchange site I go on seems to want to get bigger except SO (which will get bigger anyway because it's a black hole) and server fault

actually scratch that, i don't know enough about superuser to say.

rolfl

Actually, as I think about it, often the things I am doing are too hard to explain, and i am using things in a researchy-kind-of-way which makes it hard to express it in a way that's 'best practices', because the real sysadmins hat us for what we do.

user20683

programmers mostly wants to be bigger because new content keeps us alive

durron597

Thanks for reminding me about the list of SE sites. I had no idea that graphics design even existed and now I have plenty of reading for the next month

Robert Harvey

@durron597 Very likely that post showed up in one of the review queues.

durron597

10:07 PM

@RobertHarvey aha

gotta go, take care all

user55340

From the 'project prior to interview':

user55340

> Using an open source web framework of your choice (other than java),

user55340

I'm just amused by that.

user20683

@MichaelT I think they mean non-java frameworks

user55340

UW Madison (where this job is at) is mostly Java now, and there is a plethora of Java web programmers (I know, I was one).

user20683

10:19 PM

@MichaelT JS/Python in so far as I do any web programming

user55340

@WorldEngineer The position: ohr.wisc.edu/WebListing/Unclassified/…

user55340

Given its php and perl, I'm thinking Perl would be best...

user55340

Otherwise, I'd be tempted to go for Scala and Play with that restriction.

rolfl

@MichaelT - different MichaelT - ? meta.stackexchange.com/q/242447/241497

user55340

@rolfl If I was he, my login name would be MichaelR instead.

user55340

10:28 PM

Also, his account is:

user55340

JUST MY correct OPINION, Wuhan, China

19.5k 8 46 79

java c++ c programming-languages oop language-agnostic lua

rolfl

You know, every 50K'r needs a 20K sock...

user55340

I would be a rather poor sock there...

user55340

MichaelT, Eau Claire, WI

1.5k 3 12 27

java perl regex string python collections cgi

rolfl

true... I just saw the name, and thought, "hey, maybe the real MichaelT would get a giggle...".

user55340

10:31 PM

Saw that one a year ago... it hit reddit or hacker news. A co-worker at Employer^ pointed it out to me.

user55340

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6990570

user55340

> Everytime I google a question and get a stack overflow result, it is always an unanswered and locked question for silly neckbeard pedantic reasons.

Stop Googling for "what's your favorite programmer t-shirt" and that won't happen as often.

user15026

10:56 PM

Starting my second work shift of today, I am going to be so happy when I don't have to do this anymore (a week from today is the last day my old job can schedule me)

user20683

@AshleyNunn go go gadget energy

rolfl

@AshleyNunn It will make the new job feel like a holiday....

user15026

@rolfl Yeah, it really will. I mean the money will be nice, I suppose, I am just going to forget what sleep looks like. (Glad I am in training still, so things are a bit more relaxed)

rolfl

Well, hang in there.... also good luck ;-)

user15026

Thanks :)

user15026

11:06 PM

I am just doing night support, so hopefully since I can do it home in my pjs it will go nice and easy

user20683

11:27 PM

@AshleyNunn offers tea and ninjas

user15026

@WorldEngineer Oooh, ninjas, I could use those

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