The Whiteboard

user55340

12:10 AM

@durron597 I've had occasion to dabble over on graphic design...

user55340

29

A: Why is pure blue darker than pure green?

Human perception isn't the same for all colors. Our eyes have different color pigments which absorb different frequencies of light. There's a bit about this over in Physics.SE: Why do green lasers appear brighter and stronger than red and blue lasers? From this question a chart is presented th...

user20683

@MichaelT I like how you cite my alma mater :)

user55340

@WorldEngineer Hyper physics has been one of my go-to places for optics questions on several sites when giving answers.

user55340

Things like the lens equations and macro photography, or aberrations and multiple lenses correcting them...

user55340

I'd be nice if they updated the layout of it to modern web expectations, but at the same time, its still organized nicely.

user55340

12:14 AM

(There are times when I miss gopher in the pre-web days - everything was in a strict hierarchy and made it easy to remember where to go to get somewhere)

user20683

@MichaelT Yeah...my understanding is that it's kind of the pet project of one or two people

user20683

In all fairness, this is the website of my OS prof.

user20683

►

user20683

This looks vaguely interesting in a "putting programming in a game where it probably isn't actually needed" kind of way

user55340

1:01 AM

btw, @Oded - the reminder popped up again. Take photos of the door.

user55340

Oct 1 at 17:48, by Oded

@MichaelT a few weeks to go... Remind me in 3 weeks ;)

user55340

Oct 1 at 15:57, by MichaelT

@Oded a reminder just kicked off for me to remind you to take photos of the Stack Exchange office door... though IIRC that may be later in the month and I just didn't update the time for that.

Jimmy Hoffa

0

Q: Simple actor system in F# - concurrent dictionary issue (code works)

It works, but a couple of things that bugged me here, the biggest one being my usage of the ConcurrentDictionary for become, it should only update, but I couldn't get TryUpdate to do the update as given an arbitrary comparison value for some reason it always decided the comparison didn't merit an...

f# actor

That was fun

user15026

@WorldEngineer That's like...in the realm of something I could make :P

Jimmy Hoffa

outputs:

Bruce Willis is not impressed!
Bruce Willis stuffs a boot in Matt Damon's gut!
Matt Damon spits up bile.
Matt Damon stuffs a boot in Bruce Willis's gut!
Bruce Willis spits up bile.
Bruce Willis punches Matt Damon in his ugly face!
Matt Damon bleeds from the ears.
Matt Damon punches Bruce Willis in his ugly face!
Bruce Willis bleeds from the ears.
Bruce Willis punches Matt Damon in his ugly face!
Matt Damon bleeds from the ears.
Matt Damon punches Bruce Willis in his ugly face!
Bruce Willis bleeds from the ears.

(for example-> terrible randomness on the attack choosing, but it does try to pick randomly)

I figured if I made an actor system, I should populate it with...actors...nyuck nyuck

(I should have made Bruce Willis occasionally pull out a gun... Matt Damon can't take Bruce Willis!)

user55340

1:31 AM

Oh... I've got to go there... tenbaridgewinery.net/wines.html (home page: tenbaridgewinery.net )

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT cranapple wine? That does sound interesting...

user55340

@JimmyHoffa I had a cranberry / raspberry taste of another local wine the other day. The raspberry was the finishing flavor in it (I got a cranberry / orange wine, which doesn't have the distinction between start and finish, but you can still pick out the flavors)

user55340

That also appears to be the 'current stock'... they change up their varieties apparently.

user55340

> Varieties include Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry, Cabernet Sauvignon, Cherry, Cranberry, Elderberry, Gewurztraminer, Muller Thurgau, Peach, Plum, Raspberry, Strawberry, Syrah, Pinot Noir, Vinifera grape, Zinfandel and white Zinfandel.

user55340

> Tenba Ridge produces a number of wines that have won national and state awards. The most recent accolades come from the 2012 Wisconsin State Fair Professional Wine Competition, which awarded the winery with a silver medal for its peach apple wine and bronze for its blueberry apple, black raspberry apple and white cranapple.

user55340

1:41 AM

peach apple? oh... that sounds good.

user15026

I want to try a few of those!

user55340

@AshleyNunn You need to drive over to this side of the lake.

user15026

Maybe when I am done my notice period I will get something nice to celebrate

user15026

@MichaelT Well, I do have a car share membership.....

user15026

:P

user55340

1:43 AM

@AshleyNunn About 11h drive.

user15026

I've never driven more than like two or three hours to get anywhere...

Jimmy Hoffa

@AshleyNunn 2 or 3 hours won't get you anywhere 'round here, so technically I could say the same?

user15026

(I've been places farther, but someone else was driving)

user15026

@JimmyHoffa It gets me to a few interesting places, I think

user55340

11h would be a long drive solo for a person.

user55340

1:45 AM

I've done some 10h days in the past... and they're draining.

user55340

I also note that with age, I'm not sure I could/should do a 10h drive... 8h fairly constant is about the limit now.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT I drove Pittsburgh, PA -> Denver, CO leaving Friday ~noon and arriving Saturday ~8pm... one stop in the middle for a 4?6? hour snooze, that was no bueno, don't intend to do anything like that again...

user15026

I haven't driven in....three years, at least

user15026

so 11hrs would be a bad starting point

user55340

Longest single day for me I think was Twin Falls Idaho - SF (listed as 10h 26m on google maps)

user55340

1:49 AM

Driving through Nevada was awful... hot (dry, dehydrating) and boring landscape.

user55340

Another long day was Redding, CA - Seattle, WA (9h 37m).

user55340

@AshleyNunn I'll also point out that you'd have to drink most of it there. You'd only be able to bring 1.5L of wine back into Canada before duty kicks in. canadaonline.about.com/od/customs/a/alcoholcdnres.htm

user15026

i could make that work :)

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT as in it's her duty to bring at least 1.5l of wine back to her motherland? That sounds like a proper definition of duty...

user55340

On the other hand, a 'fishing' trip can take up to 24 cans of beer per person into Canada as a visitor.

psr

2:09 AM

@MichaelT Can you just fish for the bottom of a can or does it have to be the swimmy kind?

user15026

@MichaelT What

user55340

@AshleyNunn People I've worked with have gone on fishing trips up to Canada. Its not that far from Northern Wisconsin. Muskie and walleye. Though, knowing fishermen, a significant portion of the time is spent drinking.

user15026

Well, yes, but a 24 seems like a lot for a day or so

user55340

@AshleyNunn well, you've actually got to be there for more than a day... and it tends to be a week trip.

user15026

ah, okay that makes more sense

user55340

2:14 AM

Note: Muskie is not a small fish....

user55340

user15026

Yeah. they really aren't :)

user55340

Ah ha! So that's how you use dancer... and thats how you make it elegant.

Ampt

5:16 AM

@JimmyHoffa for sure! Trust me, once we start stealthing missions this game is gonna turn around. I played for ~ an hour this afternoon, and in that time did 6 missions, went up 7-8 levels, and made at least 10 million. It's way better than running and gunning

Jimmy Hoffa

12:56 PM

@Ampt haha alright, I'll have to try a bit of that. I remeber playing the hell out of Hitman - the original was so impossible to run'n'gun, and stealthing was an utter bitch...or the original thief games... they made stealth such a challenge (something about always looking like you're up to something alerted anyone who even saw you...), will have to see how easy stealth is in PayDay (I still like shooting cops...)

Ampt

1:16 PM

@JimmyHoffa Stealthing is pretty easy if you don't have trigger happy squad-mates :P

"There's a guy over there!"..."I shot him!"

really it just comes down to knowing the maps and where everything is. Once you've done that, the rest is fairly easy.

ratchet freak

@Ampt aka it becomes a memory/trial and error game

Ampt

You should just look for a lobby with some high level players. Even better if you can find some that have prestieged. (they have the roman numerals in their level like (II-43) or (III-65))

@ratchetfreak No, they switch where stuff is, but there's always going to be that same stuff

and there are rare permutations on stuff

that can drastically change the mission

ratchet freak

end eventually you know where everything can be

Ampt

I'd say it's random enough to keep it interesting. YMMV

durron597

1:45 PM

what's the stack exchange way to handle a serially off topic poster

Ampt

@durron597 question ban

it happens auto-magically

durron597

cool. i see a poster on programmers who will have that happen soon

Ampt

yep. no worries on that one!

Jimmy Hoffa

2:38 PM

@Ampt the key is that I didn't miss! And if he's not dead, I'll shoot him again, which is awesome !

Ampt

2:50 PM

@JimmyHoffa yeah but then we have to answer the pager which is a little more complicated. Then when all of his buddies see him bleeding out on the floor we've gotta be ready to shoot them too!

Otávio Décio

5.1k 14 33

c# design orm programming-practices project-management sql freelancing

but still closing questions

-1

Q: Is a bachelors degree needed for software development jobs

Hi I am currently doing Computer Science at University,I have failed a few classes which meant that I am unable to progress into the honors year of my course. I failed due to the amount of work I have to do to support myself and my family. What the university has told is that I can do the failed ...

education computer-science jobs degree

muy interesante

Jimmy Hoffa

3:20 PM

@Ampt complicated? Try awesome. What is a game without a bit of challenge eh :D That was actually pretty awesome that 3-day mission we nearly finished, hell of a fight on the first and third, lots of good team work. Definitely makes me get better at figuring out how to respond in those situations, but yeah those aren't the ideal situations we want to be in heh

heh crazy: Carl Hewitt directly posting his work to LTU and responding to someone's long diatribe in comments here

Seeing him on Channel 9, he's got such the friendly-hyper-old-professor thing going like a character from a movie, cool dude

he's actually pretty active on LtU... that site is such a well guarded secret it seems

user41796

Shameless self-promotion: stackoverflow.com/q/26531545/1345223

Jimmy Hoffa

3:37 PM

@GlenH7 ....I am so voting to migrate that here....

that is totally not implementation specific, you're asking for a design approach (aren't you?)

user41796

It's definitely more of a ~~pattern~~ conceptual question but SO has a lot more queue experts

user41796

erm, rabbitmq imposes some implementation challenges

enderland

killing wabbits?

user41796

so it is implementation specific

user41796

@enderland kill de wabbit; kill de wabbit; kill de WABBIT! </sing-song>

user41796

3:39 PM

Namely, rabbitmq treats queues purely as FIFO without any prioritization. Likewise, consumers can only pop the first message from the head of the queue. They can't selectively pull messages out from the queue

Jimmy Hoffa

0

A: Cleaning up after killing off rabbit producers

I would create a secondary queue that's administrative, you occasionally drop messages on this queue to give out orders such as PurgeQueue: C, or PrioritizeQueue: A, or PauseUntilISaySo eventually followed by OkYouMayPass. Then all your workers simply check that queue/topic/whatever before the ot...

Am I completely misunderstanding the situation? I'll delete it if so, I know I tried helping you with this before but think I was confused by your scenario- if I'm still so I'll remove that so as not to lead others astray

@GlenH7 this is a good thing though :P You use multiple queues to do things like this. You can send on the adminqueue something like "IgnoreMessages: [1,2,3,7,10,42]" and the admin will put that list into the workers ignore list, the workers then pop messages check the ignore list and if it's message 1, they ignore it and pop the next message

multiple queues is the way to get out-of-band communication, you never want to be trying to search your queue, just use out of band communication to change the way your workers are behaving.

it's not horrible for workers to come up and register a per worker admin queue like ControlWorkerA when WorkerA comes up and WorkerB creates a ControlWorkerB queue if you need to give worker-specific instructions for instance, then worker A and B both work on the same workQueue

user41796

@JimmyHoffa This is a new situation.

Jimmy Hoffa

note worth mentioning in your question: do you have the system setup with active-dispatch listening where the instant a message goes on the queue, one of your listeners immediately start's processing it, or do your workers actively have to go and manually dequeue when they're ready to start processing another message?

user41796

@JimmyHoffa workers poll to dequeue; not using active dispatch (push). So it's pull, not push.

user41796

And that's a good point regarding pull vs. push. Updated the question

Jimmy Hoffa

3:51 PM

@GlenH7 that makes your admin easier then; each time a worker goes to pull, it pulls on the admin queue first; if it gets an admin message it hands it to the adminMessageHandler, once that's done, it goes back to the top of the loop: Check admin queue->nothing->check work queue->process work message->repeat

user41796

Hmmm, hiccup there is that I may not have a way to leave the message on the queue. I think there's a peek function but that only peeks at the first message.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 ?? admin queue is a separate queue, can't one worker go if (adminQueue.pop()) { ... } else { handleWork(workQueue.pop()); }

user41796

sure, but what about the other workers?

user41796

to put hard numbers in place, I'll have maybe 3 - 5 producers at a time but I'll have up to 20 consumers.

user41796

And there's nothing to say I couldn't have >20 consumers if we had enough load to justify it.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:57 PM

@enderland haha removed that right as I was going to star it... perhaps a director? Just spitballing here!

user41796

@JimmyHoffa what's the difference between topics and queues?

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 topics have N subscribers, 1 message published to a topic goes to all subscribers.

it's a broadcast model

enderland

@JimmyHoffa ?

Jimmy Hoffa

for stuff like admin a topic is easier to work with

user41796

@enderland - possibly might work for you based upon your previously stated interests. Might keep you too far from the getting-hands-dirty work though.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:58 PM

all workers subscribe, producer publishes 1 admin message, all workers get the admin instruction

@enderland ...I read your remark as a response to:

2 mins ago, by GlenH7

sure, but what about the other workers?

:o

user41796

@JimmyHoffa okay, that makes sense. And yes, I could push that admin queue to a different exchange that has a fan-out approach (that's rabbitmq for what you call a topic)

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 queues are more for load-balancing work, where "fan-out" is for when you have things many processes are interested in "ShutDown!" -> fan-out, vs. "Transaction: Debit: 42, Acct: 24" -> Load-balanced queue of transaction processors

user41796

@JimmyHoffa That makes sense, yes

user41796

@enderland - OTOH, "permanency" is a good thing at this point w.r.t job status. Nothing to say that you can't migrate to something else in a few years.

enderland

@GlenH7 yeah. I think... ?

Jimmy Hoffa

4:03 PM

@enderland (if you read your response as a remark to what @GlenH7's other worker processes should be doing too, it's pretty funny...I promise...)

enderland

lmao. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

user41796

@enderland There's always a concern with skills rot. OTOH, the role might increase your domain knowledge and make you more valuable due to the perspective you can bring.

enderland

Yeah who knows. The position is reposted, too hah

user41796

Hmmm. I might check around and see if you can find out why it was reposted.

user41796

Might mean they're being too picky which is why they couldn't find anyone the first go round.

enderland

4:07 PM

Yeah I'll ask. F THIS. :D

user41796

:-) Patience is the key

enderland

patience is overrated

amirite

looks like no one actually was interviewed

user41796

well, that would certainly explain that. Might want to think about why no one applied then. Any nasty rumors about the manager and their managerial style? I once worked for a [redacted] who was well known for [redacted] behavior. Not so surprisingly, few in the company wanted to transfer to the department.

enderland

@GlenH7 I think it's more that it's an entry level type position and it'd be a lateral move for most people at best

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland a sign that they're extra picky -> Alternatively there's in-politics you don't know about where they're actually just faking the position to hold the head count to hold budget (or for just in case), managers hate to lose head count and do all kinds of things to hold onto it even if it's not a necessary head...

enderland

4:14 PM

@JimmyHoffa yeah. the contact I have there doesn't know what's up

but he asked me why I didn't apply haha

user41796

@enderland Mebbe workable then. In my experience, that title is generally a more advanced role but YMMV

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 in actor systems it's so conventional to have a supervisor that people often confuse this as part of the definition of the actor model (though it's not inherently). I think you might be running into the reason. The reasons for supervisor(s) is because actors may error and fall down or go into an infinite block or whatever else, a supervisor will often just do general basic monitoring with failure and cleanup type activities.

enderland

@GlenH7 based on our salary grade system they won't have anyone doing anything other than a lateral move (at least with a dev background)

Jimmy Hoffa

You might want some supervisor that knows what producers are running, what consumers are running, pings them occasionally, does the stuff a supervisor does: Producer can complain about the work, supervisor can then mediate by telling the worker what to do et al.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa That's probably exactly what I'm looking for

Jimmy Hoffa

4:22 PM

@GlenH7 key is supervisors have some authority, they'll often step between the producer and consumer if they've decided the consumer isn't doing or shouldn't be doing whatever the message says. i.e. Worker stops showing up, supervisor starts taking all the messages and sending them to some other worker who might handle it differently than the original worker (a failure worker if you will), worker may show back up and supervisor might continue handing the work over until it decides the worker is actually clean and sober this time, and not just phoning it in.

they have to have some ability to get in there and mitigate the worker (or producer) if the supervisor sees something wrong- keep that in mind if you try designing such a thing

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I have a requeue mechanism in place now, so part of that is handled. When a worker goes AWOL, they'll only do it with one message. And we have mechanisms in place to kill off workers if we detect that they've gone AWOL.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 you might want to look at centralizing those mechanisms as to separate them from the workers/producers themselves, separation of concerns and such. Putting those together inside a supervisor and or failure actors is one way

user41796

@JimmyHoffa We have an instance manager since the workers are spun up through a cloud service. But the instance manager is a bit dumb at the moment with how it handles supervision. So it makes sense that we should consolidate some of the supervisor responsibilities into there.

Jimmy Hoffa

it simplifies your producers/consumers to having basically to only be able to listen to a supervisor who might occasionally tell them "STFU, stay home until I deal with the shitstorm you created!" -> One way is supervisors are often implemented in the layers of the message passing itself, so when you send a message, the supervisor gets to look at it before it's handed off

this lets supervisors do things like hit their start a timer, and then if the worker doesn't complete in time, they'll just grab the work from him, castigate him, and give his work to someone else while making him watch.

(I love this analogy of the actor model to some industralist tycoon style employee shame and intimidation management approach :D )

user41796

At the moment, our requeue is more passive than that and I actually let the rabbitmq system handle it for me instead.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:29 PM

sometimes...in rare scenarios...the supervisor might even kill the worker! O_O

user41796

We know that after X minutes the worker will never come back. So we have a separate queue and message that expire and republishes to the main queue.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 yeah, you don't want to make it crazy complex, just throwing around a lot of things to get you thinking.

cherry pick only what makes sense, stuff the rest in a suitcase labelled Crazy.

user41796

And the instance manager has to be selective in when it kills off an instance. We'll run n workers within a given instance. And we can tolerate n-1 or n-2 and allow the instance to keep running.

user41796

@enderland - back to your thoughts... I'd say go for it. It may not be the best step overall, but it could be good enough to get you through the current challenges. Do your best in the role and see where things are at after 6 months, a year, and maybe two years.

durron597

1. I have a bug that I'm not sure how to fix, and I came to Programmers to look up some wisdom on the subject.
2. Initial searching did not immediately find an answer.
3. I noticed some questions were tagged [tag:estimation] and [tag:time-estimation], and I clicked on the latter.
4. I didn't find anything about specifically questions where I don't know the solution to the problem.
5. I began to write up a question about it, when [this question appeared in the similar questions](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/233254/how-can-you-estimate-time-for-tasks-which-primarily-consist-…

followup: why isn't foo working

err, it just did. huh?

enderland

4:40 PM

@GlenH7 worst case I get the job and dislike it and get lots of meaningful experience doing things I don't like

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland lots? come now, those people don't do squat...

a few ;P

enderland

I will have rabbits doing my work for me clearly

;)

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland don't forget to castigate them when they make a mistake. Every good tycoon knows how to use the golden ~~rule~~ rod

user41796

@durron597 programmers.stackexchange.com/tags/estimation/synonyms Or just go vote

durron597

4:56 PM

@GlenH7 I don't have enough upvotes to vote on that synonym

Ampt

(Sorry for all the deletes... Kinda venting here)

user41796

Close votes, please: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/260743/53019

Jimmy Hoffa

Welcome to the corporate world you spend so much time claiming I'm "just cynical" about :P

durron597

@Ampt You can make it up to me by making me a chat mod.

Jimmy Hoffa

(I am cynical, very cynical)

user41796

5:00 PM

@durron597 You haven't suffered enough teasing yet about not being able to see messages.

Ampt

It's something like 18 months of teasing before you get room owner

durron597

man, your hazing is intense.

Ampt

Hey man, I don't make the rules. I just get hazed by them

@JimmyHoffa Well in this case I'm not saying you're wrong

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt you're wrong in one thing, he's not going to say your fix was good; he'll say it was no good and he had to fix it (he might make some whitespace changes to prove his point). Early in my career I heard it oft said "Everyone's in sales", I think that's not the truth of it though, in white collar work it would be more accurate to say "Everyone's a politician". There's no avoiding it, we all learn political CYA tricks because the alternative is getting shit on...

user41796

@JimmyHoffa And every now and then you find folk you can trust. Those are the ones you try to stick with.

2

user55340

5:08 PM

@durron597 But he's @GlenH7 and my sock puppet... so he's gotta be a room owner. Just wait till we get that diamond...

user55340

(and hmm... starred messages aren't cached)

user41796

@felickz - you may find this meta post to be helpful

felickz

@GlenH7 pardon my stupidity about Stack Exchange but what is a better way of asking a question without a direct answer. Plenty of questions are asked this way

user41796

For 10k'ers, the question in reference: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/260743/53019

user41796

@felickz The main issue with the question is you're not presenting a problem to resolve.

user41796

5:12 PM

So to be super-meta about it, (almost) all SE sites are supposed to be about Q&A. I have a question (problem) and I'm looking for an answer. Note the singular form there

user41796

Some sites do well with multiple answers, but Programmers is not one of those. We're really looking for the "best" answer as the one that stands out better than others.

user41796

Polls run into a problem there. Every answer can be equally valid.

user41796

And then you end up with little to differentiate the quality of the various answers.

felickz

I could envision my question having an absolute best answer from someone that experienced the same problem ... i tried to reword the problem a few times but just got frustrated asking the same thing different ways

user41796

To focus on your earlier question, you might change it to say "too many frameworks to import and update, so it's taking too long."

felickz

5:14 PM

ill take my question to a differnt venue

enderland

chat is probably best for that sort of thing

felickz

but i still see same issue, there will be many opinionated replies

user41796

@felickz If there isn't a specific issue about the setup that's creating problems, then it probably isn't a good fit for the main site.

user41796

@felickz That's where it gets fuzzy

user41796

Opinion backed by experience is different that opinion backed by bike-shedding.

user41796

5:16 PM

It's okay to have a bit of opinion in the answer, but there needs to be a basis in experience that backs it

user41796

For example: "what should I name my nuGet package repository" is a bike-shed question. Every answer is valid.

user55340

@GlenH7 "newGot"

enderland

@GlenH7 that's not bikeshed, clearly kjl2mklmsoij53 is best

user41796

"I think I have too many packages that I'm including through my local nuget repository because I'm seeing XYZ problem. How do I fix that?" will also draw opinion, but it will be backed by experience (hopefully)

felickz

right i can see how to clarify the question but it would require a much more indepth explanation

user55340

5:17 PM

(which is different than nougat)

user41796

@felickz So there's the balancing act. Too many details and people stop reading. Summary of the overall issues is good though.

user41796

Notice that we're focusing on a specific problem now, which is different than asking for what types of hacks people have done to their nuget repos.

user41796

And an answer to the problem may involve a collection of hacks, so the original pondering still gets answered. But we need to tackle a specific problem first.

user55340

(I actually had a repo named "olio" once)

user55340

olio

Noun: olio

A rich, thick, Spanish stew consisting of meat and vegetables.
olio
olio
olio m (plural oli) (Alternative plural: olii)
olio m (plural olios)

Verb: olio

first-person singular present indicative of oliare

user55340

5:20 PM

(ok, thats not that helpful of a definition there)

user41796

@MichaelT my favorite Spanish dish is Sangria

enderland

oh, you did the same thing bwahaha

user55340

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/olio - a miscellaneous mixture, a miscellaneous collection (as of literary or musical selections)

user55340

@GlenH7 If you're ever in the San Francisco area, you need to go to Cascal down in Mountain View.

user55340

cascalrestaurant.com/site2011/index.asp

user55340

5:22 PM

They have a house sangria that is delicious - cascalrestaurant.com/site2011/cascal_wine_cocktails.pdf and I love their Tapas cascalrestaurant.com/site2011/cascal_tapas_menu.pdf

user41796

@felickz - one other thing I want to point out based upon your last comment in your previous question. When we close a question as too broad, it's not personal and we're not attacking you. We're very diligent in making sure the site's signal:noise ratio remains high which means closing out questions that don't fit the site model.

user55340

(That's still showing the summer menu - which is good - "Fresh Watermelon Salad: watercress, marinated cotija cheese, citrus herb vinaigrette" - excellent)

user41796

@MichaelT Now you sold me.

user55340

I also highly recommend "Grilled Serrano Ham & Date Brochette – Serrano ham wrapped dates filled with Cabrales cheese, frisee salad" - and you can find that in many places. I've seen it done with proshutto or bacon... but serrano ham is the best option.

user55340

@felickz building on what @GlenH7 said, at one time, early in the history of Programmers.SE, that type of questions as allowed... and it really didn't serve the site well. It encouraged lots of poor quality answers, and for a Q&A site, high quality answers are what make people visit it. When the site got inundated with the poor quality bikeshead answers people that gave good answers were less likely to contribute.

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5:26 PM

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A: How can I encourage Stack Overflow to rein in the 'subjective' vigilantes?

tl;dr We already tried supporting those questions, we even gave them their own site. Sadly, it didn't work out. C'est la vie. 3 years ago, a Stack Exchange site called Not Programming Related came out of Area51, the Stack Exchange staging zone. NPR was supposed to be a site where questions t...

user41796

@MichaelT I fixed the date reference in that. I hate always having to remember he wrote that last year.

user41796

Today's random musing: I wonder if you can make sangria with mead.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 so much true

user55340

tripadvisor.com/…

user55340

> This place was such a pleasant find during our trip! They had live music, great food, and the cider sangria is amazing. It's a little weird that its in an office building, but it is right on the river with a nice view.

user55340

5:38 PM

user55340

(and note, the better moderated and tighter the scope, the more freedom one can have in subjective questions... thats why MathOverflow and CSTheory.SE can get away with things like:

user55340

17

A: Most memorable CS paper titles

I did a survey on Twitter about this a while back, results here. A few of my favorites: Parametric Polymorphism through Runtime Sealing, or, Theorems for Low, Low Prices! by Jacob Matthews and Amal Ahmed, ESOP 2008 DOI:10.1007/978-3-540-78739-6_2 F-ing Modules by Andreas Rossberg, Claudio Russo...

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT is there something I'm missing about "Parametric Polymorphism through Runtime Sealing" ?

"F-ing Modules" is an awesome paper name.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa The full title is Parametric Polymorphism through Runtime Sealing, or, Theorems for Low, Low Prices!

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT oh, I thought those were 2 separate paper names...

user55340

5:41 PM

How about A Very Modal Model of a Modern, Major, General Type System

5

user55340

Scott is not always sober: Proceedings of the Conference on Topological and Categorical Aspects of Continuous Lattices (Workshop IV) Held at the University of Bremen, Germany, November 9–11, 1979

user55340

5:54 PM

For any that *do* want to read A Very Modal Model of a Modern, Major, General Type System, its available as a pdf: http://www.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr/~vouillon/publi/modalmodel.pdf

We present a model of recursive and impredicatively quantified types with mutable references. We interpret in this model all of the type constructors needed for typed intermediate languages and typed assembly languages used for object-oriented and functional languages. We establish in this purely semantic fashion a soundness proof of the typing systems underlying these TILs and TALs—ensuring that every well-t…

Ampt

@MichaelT wait, are you saying that Math.SE has better moderation and a tighter scope?

you're joking right?

user55340

@Ampt Math.SE is... a silly place.

Ampt

wait... wrong site. Damn it I need to learn to read one of these days.

user55340

MathOverflow, on the other hand...

user55340

When you look at some vote/view stats, you find a grouping of MO, TCS, and P.SE... the 'problem' is our material is more accessible and people think that it should be everything that SO is not.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:04 PM

@MichaelT their should be a metric for the subtleness and appropriateness of Monty Python references by which they can be scored... this is an A+

user55340

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT almost corrected you to 'tis but couldn't remember for certain...

user55340

T-shirt for sarcastic Canadians (@AshleyNunn ?): snorgtees.com/t-shirts/sorry-i-m-not-sorry

user15026

6:44 PM

@michaelt not going to lie, I kinda want that.

user55340

enderland

aww, the java dev job apparently is not remote

user55340

@AshleyNunn Its on sale this week... $12 USD (normally $20 USD)... I'm not sure what that is in loonies.

user15026

Probably about 15 pre tax

user15026

I am tempted but now that it is fancy lady clothes at work I am likely going to pass

user41796

6:52 PM

@enderland full time is better than not. :-)

enderland

@GlenH7 yeah, it's annoying when they post a "telework option available" and then it turns out not to be true.

#hrprobs

user41796

When did "movember" become mustaches only?

enderland

mrmoneymustache.com ??? :D

user55340

@AshleyNunn You don't wear fancy lady clothes around town... or at home...

user55340

@GlenH7 well, fancy clothes are a bit awkward... and being out of work, I've experimented with a wide range of home clothing options.

enderland

6:54 PM

lol

user55340

If it is any comfort to your mind, the thermostat is set to warming, with the threshold of 58F. This precludes many options. Summer was another matter.

user41796

Some things are best left unknown. :-)

user55340

btw, @enderland if you would be so kind as to modify my starred message to change to '@GlenH7' from the ':1829...' so that it looks better in stars.

enderland

what message? ;)

user55340

Thank you.

user55340

7:02 PM

btw, there are quite a few options for some delete vote therapy for those who have them.

Ampt

@MichaelT No Master! We will be good! Not the Diamond!

user41796

@MichaelT start at the 30 day window or less than that?

user55340

@GlenH7 I'm looking at '30 day, most delete votes' having quite a long list.

user41796

Can we burn this please? programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/197680/…

user55340

I've already got my close vote on it...

Ampt

7:08 PM

Awww, I kinda like it

It's cute

Votes to Leave Open

user41796

@Ampt Bad sock puppet, bad!

user41796

Another downvote on the non-answer means roomba will take care of it once it's closed.

user55340

@GlenH7 accepted answer... needs delete votes.

Ampt

user41796

negatively scored accepted answer on a closed question won't get swept up?

user55340

7:11 PM

@GlenH7 Nope.

Ampt

Actually that fits better

user55340

130

A: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

Just to formally document the exact policies we have in place to remove old abandoned / dead questions, the Community user will delete questions in the following circumstances: If the question is more than 30 days old, and ... has −1 or lower score has no answers is not locked ...or... it ...

user41796

Okay, let's get a 5th close vote on it and we'll play the "who's first to VTD" game.

user55340

> If the question was closed more than 9 days ago, and ...

not closed as a duplicate
has a score of 0 or less
is not locked
has no answers with a score > 0
***has no accepted answer***
has no pending reopen votes
has not been edited in the past 9 days

Ampt

> has no accepted answer

the important bit

user41796

7:13 PM

Clearly I'm getting old since I can't remember all those things... :-)

Ampt

7:25 PM

> Getting

uh huh

user41796

quiet you whipper-snapper.

Ampt

You'd miss me calling you old if I stopped!

user41796

What we were talking about again?

Ampt

Alright Grandpa, we have to go back into this building where the nice man is going to take you to your room!

enderland

sploid.gizmodo.com/…

user41796

7:28 PM

For the record, a lot of fast food is high in fats and low in fiber which makes it easy to overeat and pig out on. But those corporations put a lot of work into making sure that the food tastes consistently good.

Ampt

or at least consistent

Good is very subjective

but consistency is king. only takes one bad meal to ruin a restraunt in a consumers mind

or any business really

enderland

> food states consistently ~~good~~

user41796

That video was hilarious

Ampt

I'm sure its funnier if you understand the language

psr

@Ampt - See, all that Payday practice had real world value.

Ampt

7:41 PM

Always gotta go with the stealth option

enderland

Sometimes you can leverage other people's laziness to bypass their imcompetence

user55340

7:56 PM

@GlenH7 Ever look at the tools built for McD or Taco Bell to help them achieve this?

user55340

And yes, no matter where you go - if you go to a McD or Taco Bell, you will find that the quality of the food is roughly consistent.

user41796

@MichaelT Meaning the kitchen gear? Or the food manufacturing process they use?

user55340

Kitchen gear.

user55340

►

user55340

Modern Marvels - fast food

user41796

7:59 PM

@MichaelT Yes, I've got first hand knowledge of that. Pretty amazing technology that they put to work. McD's in particular, has a very strong focus on making sure the devices / technology are in place to provide consistency.

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