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I generally only say "or she" if someone says "he" - it's meant to be a prompt to be gender neutral, not an affirmation of fictitious gender binary. but maybe I should say "or ze" to really provoke some thought ;)

Journeyman Geek

or they

Zanna

6 mins ago, by jokerdino

or they

jokerdino

or they

Journeyman Geek

or they

but @jokerdino kinda gets the singular they ;p

Jacob Vlijm

Or though

jokerdino

8:18 AM

Yeah, I get it more often thanks to my language ._.

Zanna

better language

Jacob Vlijm

Or thou

Zanna

stupid crappy English

Journeyman Geek

@Zanna of all they things you could steal from tamil... ;p

You guys stole "pepper water"

jokerdino

hahaha

and catamaran

Jacob Vlijm

8:19 AM

Que?

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek ??

jokerdino

The word for pepper water / spicy water in English is mulligatawny, loaned from Tamil.

Journeyman Geek

Mulligatawny

Mulligatawny [ˈmɐlɨɡəˈtɑːni] ( listen ) is an English soup with origins in Indian cuisine. The name originates from the Tamil words millagai / milagu and thanni (மிளகாய்த்தண்ணி / மிளகுத்தண்ணி) and can be translated as "pepper-water". The recipe for mulligatawny varied greatly over the years that there is no single original version. Later versions included British modifications that included meat but the local Madras recipe on which it was based most definitely did not. Early references to it in English go back to 1784. In 1827, William Kitchiner, wrote that it had become fashionable in Britain...

jokerdino

We call it Rasam.

Journeyman Geek

Rasam is probably superior ;p

Jacob Vlijm

8:21 AM

Looks nice

Journeyman Geek

I mean a proper rasa podi... is basically a national treasure ;p

jokerdino

Good for digestion I think.

Zanna

haha I have made "mulligatawny" many years ago from Delia Smith's book of Vegetarian recipes. It was very good, but it was a thick soup. We put rice in it

jokerdino

Yeah, we also mix it with rice.

Journeyman Geek

yup

modern rasam, is kinda light

though some people let it settle for super lightness ("nylon") or stir it

You can probably grab a mug of the stuff on a cold day ;p

or mix it with rice

Jacob Vlijm

8:25 AM

My desktop icons are large, and menus and background look differnet Am I too fat?

Journeyman Geek

@JacobVlijm only if your chair breaks.

Jacob Vlijm

:)

Zanna

(I liked so much making soup with rice that I started to do so whenever I made soup, and I created a recipe that everyone loves, celery soup, and I am sure the rice is what makes it great, but in general it's rare to make soup with rice - most people/recipes use potatoes)

@JourneymanGeek I could definitely do with one of those right now

I'll take one polite singular they and one cup of pepper-water with rice please thanks

jokerdino

I got some okra here <3

Yum, time for lunch.

Jacob Vlijm

Making breakfast...

Zanna

8:36 AM

@jokerdino oh lucky you <3

seems like you have lots of nice things

edwinksl

8:58 AM

fried okra?

Zanna

nom nom

Jacob Vlijm

9:11 AM

Finally awake RW? :)

Journeyman Geek

9:27 AM

@edwinksl alas, something that I don't have as often as I like.

Jacob Vlijm

10:07 AM

Why would someone put a bounty on an existing question, and never look back at it? No comment, no nothing. I'd rather see the old existing answer get the full bounty if he doesn't like the new one than just no sign of life, which is going to happen I am afraid. askubuntu.com/questions/819127/…

Zanna

mystery

Rinzwind

10:54 AM

damn. if you every feel the need to cry view this :D reddit.com/r/videos/comments/5s5d9e/…

Jacob Vlijm

11:09 AM

Noob question: To ping someone with a space in his username, we should leave out the space. Is there anything special to do when someone has a ' in his or her name?

Zanna

I don't think that's a noob question

Jacob Vlijm

It feels noob though :)

Zanna

Well I'm a noob too; I will wait for the answer

much more of a noob than you obviously...

Jacob Vlijm

I could ask on meta if we're not the only ones :)

jokerdino

Which person are we trying to ping?

Jacob Vlijm

11:12 AM

Aszune's Heart

... or Liver

terdon

@JacobVlijm you can't ping them. They were probably notified when you left the comment under they bountied question, but you can't ping them here or anywhere else.

jokerdino

He has not visited SE for the last 7 days.

terdon

In any case, you've already pinged them once and the user hasn't been seen for days. What's the point of pinging again?

cl-netbox

Hello everybody ! :)

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon I tried two ways, but not sure if I did correctly

Zanna

11:13 AM

frustration demands that pinging be done. Rest is impossible if the ping cannot be completed

terdon

@JacobVlijm Just leave it. They're not an active user, they dont' visit very often. They left the bounty hoping someone would post something different but didn't check back. Ok, it happens.

Journeyman Geek

@JacobVlijm not spleen or pancreas?

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon yeah sure, but apart from that, I was curious how to ping a '

@JourneymanGeek pancreas?

Journeyman Geek

small organ, very useful.

Unlike the appendix

Jacob Vlijm

@JourneymanGeek haha, I even don't understand my own jokes :)

terdon

11:18 AM

@JacobVlijm find one of their posts and start writing as comment. You'll see how it autocompletes (even without posting it).

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon tried that too, but nothing appears.

terdon

@JacobVlijm Yes, it needs to be one where at least one other user has commented. Otherwise, the OP's name isn't autocompleted.

cl-netbox

Good morning terdon ! :) What I wanted to ask you @terdon : Did your new notebook arrive in the meantime and which system(s) do you want to install on it ? :)

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon ...and on SO, the username is different.

terdon

@cl-netbox Not yet, and Arch.

jokerdino

11:22 AM

This is how you do it: @ Aszune'sHeart

Heart left a comment here: askubuntu.com/questions/639983/sshd-could-not-load-host-key

Jacob Vlijm

@jokerdino AHA, so no special actions, just leave out the space. Thanks!

Zanna

who is Aszune?

cl-netbox

@terdon You might get into some trouble with the graphics ... did you ever try to install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers on arch ? Maybe it's a good idea to install ubuntu first and arch afterwards, because there is no other system that makes it so easy to install these drivers than ubuntu. :)

jokerdino

Heartless person

Jacob Vlijm

Fifty ways to leave your liver.

cl-netbox

11:26 AM

@jokerdino Heartful dino ! :D Hi ! :)

jokerdino

Hiya

Journeyman Geek

@JacobVlijm the spleen ...

"OH MY SPLEEN!" No one ever cares...

jokerdino

the cabbages

Jacob Vlijm

@JourneymanGeek haha

terdon

@cl-netbox Well no, in my experience Mint was always easier than Ubuntu for this sort of thing. That said, yes I have installed the proprietary drivers on at least 2 machines and never had much trouble.

Zanna

11:29 AM

wow.gamepedia.com/Aszune

I don't think there is an opposite of "heartless"

Jacob Vlijm

So most likely, a woman

Zanna

Another shortcoming of this language

terdon

terdon@oregano ~ $ inxi -G
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT216GLM [Quadro FX 880M]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.1 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: modesetting)
           Resolution: 1600x900@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Quadro FX 880M/PCIe/SSE2
           GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.101
terdon@oregano ~ $ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Arch Linux"
PRETTY_NAME="Arch Linux"
ID=arch
ID_LIKE=archlinux
ANSI_COLOR="0;36"
HOME_URL="https://www.archlinux.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://bbs.archlinux.org/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.archlinux.org/"

Journeyman Geek

interesting namespace ;p

terdon

@JacobVlijm huh?

Jacob Vlijm

11:31 AM

@terdon looking at zanna's link

terdon

Ah

Zanna

The user's profile says "Just a young man" if that's what you meant

(iirc)

cl-netbox

@terdon great ! :) When you need help once the machine arrives, please feel free to ask me anytime ! :) The newer the hardware is, the more difficult it might become ... though I can't promise 100 % success of course ... :)

Jacob Vlijm

Ouch, I am not making much sense today @Zanna ...or ever...

terdon

@cl-netbox Thanks :)

cl-netbox

11:33 AM

@terdon You're welcome ! :)

terdon

Although, again, I'd expect Arch to do better on newer hardware than any release-based distro, simply because it's more bleeding edge. Of course, the flip side fo that, is that you can also expect more breakages. But that's OK if you know how to fix them.

Zanna

you are fine @JacobVlijm it is the world that is senseless

jokerdino

> [...] until her heart was returned to her.

Definitely no heart.

Jacob Vlijm

See? I knew it ^

@Zanna A variation on "Listen, our Johnny is the only one in the orchestra who tuned well!" :)

Zacharee1

wat

Zanna

11:46 AM

@JacobVlijm hahaha XD but no not at all. Really, things are very stupid and there is just a little precious sanity here and there among nice folks like those in this room...

Jacob Vlijm

:)

terdon

12:37 PM

Is there any weird Unity-specific reason why an image file would need to be executable for it to be set as a desktop background and survive reboots?

(askubuntu.com/q/880067/85695)

Jacob Vlijm

Nope, saw it, makes no sense at all @terdon

terdon

OK

Ubuntu User

OK, DARK will @ThomasWard come here?

Muru,

cl-netbox

12:54 PM

@UbuntuUser You are not @Hizqeel ! You are not having magical capabilities ... the reason why it does not work ... @ThomasWard only reacts on DARK EVIL calls from @Hizqeel ! :D :D :D

IanC

good morning

cl-netbox

1:10 PM

@IanC Good afternoon Ian ! :)

Ubuntu User

@cl-netbox That makes sense.

IanC

@cl-netbox all good?

cl-netbox

@UbuntuUser Good afternoon to you ! :)

Ubuntu User

@cl-netbox Or good morning for me! :)

cl-netbox

@IanC Yup ... just finished a new answer ... :) and you ? what about yourself ? :)

@UbuntuUser Okay ... correction : Good morning to you ! :)

Ubuntu User

1:15 PM

@cl-netbox Nothing, just helping some people make a raspberry pi server for their chatbot that they hope to make a real AI.

Want a link?

IanC

@cl-netbox all cool too! Working a bit on my codes

cl-netbox

@UbuntuUser why not ? Did you see my edit (and upvote) yesterday ? :)

Ubuntu User

@cl-netbox Yes why?

cl-netbox

@IanC nice to hear ... coding is something I never did ... :)

@UbuntuUser Because you asked whether it's a good answer ... :)

IanC

@cl-netbox you can start learning if you find interest on it :)

Ubuntu User

1:18 PM

@cl-netbox Ah, yes... Fabby also edited it.... I must say thanks! (I got 40 rep yesterday)

cl-netbox

@UbuntuUser Great ! :) Congrats ! :) Well done ! :) My new answer still has zero upvotes ... :D :D :D

Ubuntu User

Where is it?

cl-netbox

@UbuntuUser Should be on the front page because I improved the question as well -> askubuntu.com/questions/879996/… ! :)

Ubuntu User

OK.

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind Hi Rinzy ! :) Good afternoon to you ! :)

Ubuntu User

1:22 PM

@cl-netbox It seems helpful, I mean I don't have that problem but yeah!

@cl-netbox MJB seen 1m ago talked 738d ago!

cl-netbox

@UbuntuUser Yes ... thank you ! :) ... everybody of us has other things considered to be a problem : one with boot, one with graphics, one with DE ... :)

Ubuntu User

@cl-netbox Yepy skippy doo!

@cl-netbox Do you want to see the chatbot?

Yep! well I need to go. I'm late for work! But the chatbot is here khanacademy.org/computer-programming/eon-development-v102a/…

cl-netbox

@UbuntuUser Cool ! :) I couldn't do this ... :) But work on Sunday ? :)

terdon

@cl-netbox US != Europe

Gilad

hello

can i ask a question for arch linux?

terdon

1:37 PM

@Gilad Not on the main site, no.

You might be looking for Unix & Linux.

Or chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/dev-chat

Zacharee1

oh so audits do count as reviews...

Jacob Vlijm

@muru thanks!

muru

1:52 PM

@JacobVlijm no problem

Hizqeel

2:05 PM

@cl-netbox Hello o/ How are you doing? :)

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel Hello my friend ! :) I'm fine - thank you for asking ! :) What about yourself ? Everything "magic" ? :D

Hizqeel

@cl-netbox Doing great :) ahh magic is fighting alone in the Dark right now :p

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel Hey @ThomasWard please help my friend, he's in need of your assistance ... please help him to fight the DARK successfully, dear Mr. EVIL ! :D :D :D

Hizqeel

@cl-netbox I was talking about ThomasWard himself, As I was trying to pick his mist .. :D :)

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel hahaha :D :D :D

Byte Commander

2:37 PM

Any ideas why this answer has no effect for me (xbindkeys + xdotool) askubuntu.com/a/880083/367990 ?

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander cuz ur an nubcake

Zacharee1

2:57 PM

hmm

AT&T why are you so expensive

Zanna

Hey @jokerdino my wish was granted! I went to a (non-veg) cafe that I sometimes go to and Lo and behold they added a sweet potato & okra stew with rice to the menu :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

Zanna

Ok it only had two or three tiny pieces of okra in it and I was unable to detect the promised spiciness, and there was not enough sauce to stick the rice together, but I was.so excited I did not even care about such minor shortcomings

Serg

3:23 PM

@Zanna @EliahKagan About askubuntu.com/q/880110/295286 While having ~/.bash_profile like that on stock Ubuntu is unusual , don't close-vote a question just because their config file doesn't look like a generic thing. It's still bash and same set of rules apply.

Eliah Kagan

@Serg I have voted to close the question as unclear, not as off-topic.

Serg

@EliahKagan what's unclear about it ?

Eliah Kagan

We don't know if they want to know why the code is there or what it does. And because we don't know how they are using their machine or what operating system is on it, we cannot give reasonable advice about whether or not it should be way way or is doing what they want.

In particular, on almost every OS except macOS (including Ubuntu), it is a very bad idea to use .bash_profile for commands that ought to run in every new terminal session, because most OSes (including Ubuntu) don't start most shells as login shells, and because there is often important code in .profile that is superseded by the mere existence of bash_profile.

Zanna

@Serg I haven't voted to close that question

Eliah Kagan

So, for example, the recommendation given the article linked in that answer should essentially never be followed on Ubuntu, and sometimes causes significant (though reversible) breakage. It also doesn't explain why the code would be there on most OSes (including Ubuntu), and what actually happens when one does that (which, in Ubuntu, includes all the code in .profile not running just because .bash_profile exists).

This is the sort of question that may seem like it can be answered based on the information that has been given, but really cannot.

Serg

3:30 PM

@EliahKagan OP asked what that code means. It's sufficient to explain what that code does, and that's it. Your phrase about Mac OS there could be a part of an answer.

Dont make huge deal out of it

Eliah Kagan

@Serg I also want to point out that it is actually false that "the same set of rules of apply." Sourcing .bashrc in .bash_profile works on macOS because of the very unusual way that new graphical Terminal.app sessions use login shells instead of non-interactive login shells.

IanC

@EliahKagan I guess he meant the command source will do the same on bash in either OS, the consequences of sourcing .bashrc could differ though

Eliah Kagan

@Serg The original title is "How do I explain the contents of the profile file". I don't think it is obviously that this is asking for an explanation of what the code does. It seems to me that it is asking why the code is there. Apparently it seemed that way to Zanna, too, considering the subsequent edit.

Serg

@EliahKagan tell me where in the man page it says ~/.bash_profile is only for Mac OS X ? Tell me why I can't set it to work on Ubuntu ?

Eliah Kagan

@Serg It is not for macOS. I did not say that. On any system, it supersedes .profile, which on Ubuntu is usually used to do important things.

@Serg I don't know what you mean by "Dont make huge deal out of it." You're the one who pinged me in chat to lecture me about how you think I should use the site. Then when I replied to explain myself you are insisting your interpretation of the question is correct and that I am making "a huge deal" over it. I don't want to make a possibly tense situation worse, but I think this is really rude of you. I would appreciate it if you would not treat me, or anyone else, this way, ever again.

Zanna

3:37 PM

Funnily enough there was a related question a few minutes earlier. askubuntu.com/questions/880093/…

@EliahKagan thanks for taking the trouble to transcribe the screenshot :)

Yes that was my interpretation and I think it is unclear why the code is there, if they are using Ubuntu at least!

Serg

@EliahKagan I gotta go to work now, we can continue this discussion later. I don't lecture anyone, but closing perfectly clear question as unclear isn't right.

@EliahKagan Also, where exactly was I rude ? Just because I disagree with close reason, makes me rude ?

Eliah Kagan

@Serg You told me, "Dont make huge deal out of it" when you didn't like what I said in a discussion that you started because you thought the issue was important. It's not your view on the question that is rude, it's the actual rudeness that is rude.

cl-netbox

@EliahKagan @Serg Please don't fight each other ... both of you are trying to improve the quality ... and please keep in mind : we're a circle of friends, aren't we ? :)

IanC

don't make us take the "Get along shirt" for you two!

:p

cl-netbox

Forgot to say : Hello friends ! :) @EliahKagan @Serg

Zanna

3:46 PM

@IanC lol

Serg

@EliahKagan I'm sorry if you perceived that phrase as rude, didn't meant it as so. I still think you are overthinking the question. Just explain what code does, maybe include some of the things you mentioned here, and be done with it

cl-netbox

Good afternoon @Zanna ! :)

Eliah Kagan

I fully agree that we are all trying to do what is best and that no one is deliberately trying to hurt anyone. However, I should say (and should have said before) that this is really about more than rudeness.

Telling people not to make a big deal out of something when they persist in disagreeing with you is frequently used as a way of silencing people. In this case, we are all lucky -- for example, I know the rules and expectations of our site. Therefore I am not actually being harmed here (just annoyed).

Zacharee1

guh

SystemUI mods are complicated

Zanna

I agree with @EliahKagan - if someone told me in here not to make a big deal out of something I would be really upset.

Hi @cl-netbox :)

cl-netbox

3:53 PM

@Zanna Everything fine ? :)

Zanna

@muru I see you voted to reopen this - i couldn't really figure out what they are trying to do, but if you think it's answerable I will certainly vote to reopen it askubuntu.com/review/reopen/674873

Zacharee1

wonder if this'll work

guess not

muru

@Zanna I think they nuked their original Ubuntu partition while trying to install MATE

And GRUB would start throwing errors after that, leaving them in a halfway state

no idea what's going on with the "unknown filesystem" though - that might be a problem with the USB

Zanna

4:12 PM

I see they have self-answered saying they used this answer askubuntu.com/questions/493826/… to get into windows, so maybe it should be a dupe of that one instead

muru

@Zanna meh, I'd retract my re-open vote if I could. Too much of a waste of time re-opening and closing it again - that comment is there for everyone to see

Or if @terdon drops by, he can do us a favour

terdon

Dunno what you want

Zanna

haha I was thinking the same - if you want it open, I am all for that, but bothering 8 people to change the close reason naaah, but if we have a handy mod...

reopen that post to close as a dupe instead of unclear

muru

@terdon this question closed as a dupe: askubuntu.com/questions/879864/grub-rescue-without-linux, if it's worth the trouble (no problem if you ignore it)

terdon

Done

Zanna

4:24 PM

thanks! :)

but I think that is not the right dupe target really, since they said they actually used askubuntu.com/questions/493826/…

muru

Oh, lol. :D

Zanna

my bad

LDJames is making me lol

I think this person should add an answer rather than edit this one askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/674884

terdon

Ugh. OK, could you just figure out what needs to be done and let me know? Sorry but I have to teach a class and give a seminar on Tuesday and I have neither ready so am up to my eyballs in work at the moment and can't sort it out now.

Zanna

sorry @terdon ! it's fine

I will flag it instead

I made a custom flag

Journeyman Geek

lol

as a mod, I prefer people us flags over chat so there's a single place for me to look

Zanna

4:35 PM

yeah indeed

much better to flag, sorry

Seth

5:04 PM

@ByteCommander run xbindkeys -k and press the keys you want. Replace control + semicolon with the output and reboot.

cl-netbox

Hi @Seth ! :) How are you ? Something new about your health situation ? Hopefully something good ? :)

Byte Commander

5:23 PM

@Seth I had done that (except reboot, but I restarted the daemon), but still no effect.

I suppose that xdotool might need something in its environment that xbindkeys does not provide...

cl-netbox

@Zanna Why are you editing all those old posts that are useless at all ... the whole front page is flooded with all those old things ... and it's getting worse and worse every day ! Example -> askubuntu.com/questions/72178/… Completely unimportant ... the whole answer should be deleted ... Please note : no offense intended ! :)

Zanna

yes indeed, it's because of the hardware-recommendation tag. I am looking at all the posts with it and retagging them/fixing them/close-voting them/voting to delete them because we are going to burn that tag

apologies for spamming the front page

it's just going to take me one more day to go through the rest

before that, I destroyed the office tag

to do that I untagged every post

I am just janitoring, trying to keep the site clean, making sure posts have the right tags so people can find them

@cl-netbox I edited that answer in case it might be useful, but if you think it should be deleted, then flag it

Byte Commander

Lol, I actually never notice such stuff because I always only watch askubuntu.com/questions?sort=newest instead of the frontpage ^_°

Zacharee1

welp destroyed SystemUI. wouldn't start even after restoring the original. dirty flashed and now time to hope

Zanna

@ByteCommander yeah I don't watch the front page either

to clarify what I'm doing now @cl-netbox since the hardware-recommendation tag will be burned, many of the posts should have tags that are acceptable like hardware and compatibility instead so that people can still find them - that is how I imagine/hope what I'm doing should benefit the site

Serg

5:42 PM

@ByteCommander I'm doing both. Also specific tags

Seth

@Zanna please don't mass retag hardware-recs

There's no hurry and a request went in to SE.

Byte Commander

@Serg Would you mind having a look at my latest Q? It probably will involve the use of xdotool and some keyboard event magic, probably a simple shortcut is not enough. askubuntu.com/q/880054/367990

Serg

@ByteCommander I saw it this morning, will see what i can do

Jacob Vlijm

Shameless question, but what is a docker container? The docs have no connection to my imagination...

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm It's some kind of outsourcing single processes into a "sandboxed" environment ... and a huge hype (IMHO) ! :)

Jacob Vlijm

5:54 PM

@cl-netbox thanks! So no rc.local in a docker?

Zanna

@Seth oh it's a bad thing to do?

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm I wouldn't do that ... :)

Jacob Vlijm

@cl-netbox thanks again. Obviously, I need to upgrade my knowledge :)

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm hahaha ... better learn some LXD ! :)

Serg

@JacobVlijm docker is like virtual machine , sort of, but for specific program, and is intended to be cross-platform. They're self contained, as far as I know, so they have all the necessary libraries with them, but not more than that

Seth

5:57 PM

@Zanna it floods the front page and hides new questions. It's acceptable with small enough tags, but if we put in a request to SE to nuke it there's no point.

Jacob Vlijm

@cl-netbox another thing I have no experinece in...

Rinzwind

@Zanna it makes the FP unuseable :P

Plus SE can do it silently :D

and damn some of those should be closed as off topic :X

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg ouch, than I said some stupid things today haha

Zanna

I was just worried that the posts might need new tags

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm see some links and more info at the end of my answer -> askubuntu.com/questions/818660/… ! :) I tried to make it as short as possible ... it's some kind of virtualization solution ! :)

Zanna

5:58 PM

yeah I did VTC some of them

Serg

@JacobVlijm it's ok, happens. Docker and snapcraft are pretty much new and growing technology, quite popular on server-side of things, although they can be used on desktop,too.

Zanna

Anyway I did most of it this morning at 5 am when nobody was around

there were 187 when I started, and now there are 75

so I guess I already screwed up

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