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Jacob Vlijm

3:00 PM

@Oli I could?

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Q: How to install Ubuntu's Firefox in Linux Mint?

I recently migrated my system to Linux Mint from Ubuntu, and am very dissapointed by the Firefox version of Linux Mint. Problems include bookmarks and the lack of autocomplete in the Google search bar (i.e. the one within the browser, at the right side). A re-installation didn't improve anything;...

Oli

(I'm a professional Python developer) You should jump at it. Ask to do it part time to begin with so you know you're capable of fulfilling their needs —and tolerating their demands— and see how it goes.

Jacob Vlijm

@Oli man, I love you, so much what I needed to hear.

Oli

But you're far more adept with Python than a lot of people I've worked with.

Jacob Vlijm

@Oli Thank you so much, feel much more secure now :)

cl-netbox

3:03 PM

@JacobVlijm Believe in your skills - they are great ! :)

Jacob Vlijm

@Oli, @cl-netbox The fun part is, I can't say it started here, but definitely I learned to improve it here :)

Hizqeel

@JacobVlijm sorry for late reply Was having some light snack.. I totally agree with Oli .. 1 thing to add that join them and you will be confident writing scripts outside :) Go for it

Journeyman Geek

snakes?

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm "learning by doing" always brings the best results ! :)

Hizqeel

@JourneymanGeek I mean to say snack :)

cl-netbox

3:07 PM

@Hizqeel in German that means something "small" to eat ! :)

Jacob Vlijm

@Hizqeel I'll go for it :)

Hizqeel

@JacobVlijm Good to hear .. Goodluck :)

What i am doing So many spelling mistakes ...

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel no ... everything you do is perfectly fine ! :)

Hizqeel

@cl-netbox Does it mean anything else in english :p :D In English that also mean "small amount".. :)

cl-netbox

3:20 PM

@Hizqeel ah okay ... then I missed what you meant with "light snack" ... hope you enjoyed the "big fat pizza" ! :D :D :D

By the way ... pizza ... this leads me to ask @Rinzwind : Already had sushi today ? :D

Hi Rinzy ! :)

Thomas Ward

sometimes I hate python

@Oli can I steal your python knowledge?

@Oli trying to create a way to do module.foo.bar() as an acceptable command, failing to figure out how to do it.

where module is imported via import module

Oli

What is foo?

terdon

@JacobVlijm I am a "professional" python developer. At least, I get paid for writing programs and some of them are in Python. And I can assure you that your Python knowledge is far, far greater than mine.

Just to say that professional != good.

Thomas Ward

@Oli well, i'm basically trying to replicate the sh function's git.remote.update() command magic in standard python

and failing epically

because apparently sh + this project + Windows fail hard

so i need to replicate that style of command without issue.

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon WOW, thanks man. This doubt was the last thing that kept me from jumping in :)

Oli

3:34 PM

Okay, so foo there is another module. You need a directory layout, something like...

Thomas Ward

@Oli the fun fact is, sh isn't using a subfolder for git or anything

it's got some odd blackmagic

that somehow works as is

Oli

git/
    __init__.py  # empty
    remote/
        __init__.py  # will come to this in a second
        whatever.py

terdon

I am a biologist and a bioinformatician by training. I've never had any programming training at all. Everything I know about computers and programming I've learned by myself. So I was also quite worried when I was first hired to work as a full time developer. But it turns out I actually know my stuff well enough to do it professionally. I have some serious holes in my knowledge, yes, but I know how to learn and that is the most important skill you can have.

Oli

It's that second __init__.py where you can do from .whatever import update. And then you can call git.remote.update.

terdon

So yeah, go for it. What you don't know, you'll learn. If all professional developers already knew everything, SO wouldn't be as big as it is ;)

Jacob Vlijm

3:37 PM

^ that should probably be the measure, the ability to learn

Oli

And in fairness, you could probably fake all that in git/__init__.py, you might just benefit from splitting things out if you're implementing a lot of stuff.

terdon

Yep. I was hired as a Perl dev and my boss asked me to start writing some things in Python. So I said OK, and learned Python.

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm How many more compliments do you need ? :D

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon ....but with scientist, they know you can learn :)

terdon

Very different fields though. And while many scientists are programmers, most of us are crap at it. We don't tend to care much about efficiency or ease of use or anything because the final product isn't the software, but the results of running the software.

It is a very different mentality when your final objective is to create a program and the program isn't just a tool you use to get to your final objective.

Jacob Vlijm

3:39 PM

@terdon literally what my daughter told me haha ^

terdon

:)

But yeah, I was quite intimidated at first but after a year of this, I've come to realize that hey, one way or the other, I've been writing code for more than 10 years. I must have learned something by now!

Jacob Vlijm

Your Perl knowledge (like many other languages) is impressive

...but you knew that already :)

terdon

Oh, no, it isn't. I know my way around a perl one-liner and I can write a decent Perl program but it isn't impressive. Not if you compare me to other people who know perl. I'd say it's sort of average to low. And this isn't false modesty, I know enough to know how much I know.

It just seems impressive because you don't know Perl :)

Oh, and when it comes to you and Python, I think you're suffering from impostor syndrome.

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon I did a short start, but python is too tempting.

terdon

Yep. Unless you need to do text parsing. You can't beat perl for text parsing.

Jacob Vlijm

3:46 PM

@terdon That decribes exactly how I felt!

terdon

@JacobVlijm Thought so :)

Jacob Vlijm

...Jumping to Therapy haha

Seth

@NathanOsman do you have to rewrite the entire thing or just the front end?

cl-netbox

I found a question that might be a VTC candidate -> askubuntu.com/questions/886164/… Am I right @terdon ? Please have a look. :)

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Q: Formal policy on duplicate/similar answers for similar questions?

I've been taking some flak recently for posting duplicate/similar answers to questions that are similar, rather than noting that a duplicate answer may exist, and vtc. I've reviewed some of the 642 posts here regarding this subject, and I'm not sure that I found anything other than complex opini...

discussion duplicates

terdon

3:54 PM

@cl-netbox VTC as what?

cl-netbox

@terdon I voted as duplicate ... already has an answer. I asked the OP whether using 32-bit or 64-bit before ... :)

terdon

Sounds good 👍

cl-netbox

Thanks :)

Jacob Vlijm

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35603696#35603696 Admitted, English is not my native language, but after reading twice, not sure what his point is?

cl-netbox

4:12 PM

@JacobVlijm I asked myself the same ! :)

Jacob Vlijm

@cl-netbox haha, good to know I am not the only one :)

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm Also his answers often are hard to read and understand ... :)

Jacob Vlijm

^ exactly my thoughts!

Hizqeel

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cl-netbox

@Hizqeel ?

Jacob Vlijm

4:18 PM

He sais he is here: ./

(he forgot the slash)

Hizqeel

@cl-netbox for no reason my avatar was gone opaque that's why :p :D

cl-netbox

@Hizqeel :D

Whirl Mind

4:39 PM

cabbage all... For Ubuntu Server, is there a minimal version and a "bigger" version (with more packages/options) to download ? I have downloaded the ISO for Ubuntu Server edition (16.04.02) off the ubuntu site. (First timer to Ubuntu Server, though I have dabbled a bit in puppy/mint before)...

cl-netbox

@WhirlMind Hi ! :) Check the alternative offerings here -> cdimage.ubuntu.com

Whirl Mind

I ask this because : the questioner in the following question mentions a Minimal Image. Even the minimal image has so many options in the Software Selection option, while mine has much fewer options (only DNS, LAMP, OpenSSH) etc.
@cl-netbox : Thanks for the link. From the directory listing I am unable to make out which is the minimal one and which is an elaborate one.

The question I mention :
http://askubuntu.com/questions/153265/what-does-the-basic-ubuntu-server-package-contain-in-software-selection-during

cl-netbox

@WhirlMind Maybe I don't understand what you mean ... if you install the basic server without selecting any option from tasksel then you have the minimal server installed ... the ISO files are located here -> releases.ubuntu.com :)

Whirl Mind

No, I don't want to install a basic server. I would like to see more options (like the ones mentioned in the aforesaid question), but the installation process at that stage on my ISO (890 MB ISO), mentions only fewer options. Wonder which installation did that questioner use to be presented with so many additional options (such as LAMP server, Kubuntu Desktop and so on)...

user136984

Oh my god! So cute!!! :D

Whirl Mind

4:53 PM

err: The ISO size is 820 MB

user136984