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Byte Commander

6:00 PM

Nope. Plain old standard compiz.

Kaz Wolfe

compiz here too.

really

screw you too, hotlink prevention

either way, wtf is wrong with people

Byte Commander

Much.

Zacharee1

wut

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 website called the "Thinking Mom's Revolution" says "don't give vaccines, they cause autism!"

Zacharee1

sigh

Kaz Wolfe

6:11 PM

people are idiots

Zacharee1

WARNING: Reading "Thinking Mom's Revolution" may cause minor to severe ignorance and refusal to learn!

Kaz Wolfe

WARNING: Believing marketing hype or conspiracy theories may cause severe ignorance, which is uncurable because of "False Study Syndrome," a disease that is cased by False Marketing Hype!

Byte Commander

There are some reported cases where vaccines caused severe diseases or disablements though.

Not saying that vaccines are a bad thing in general though, just that sometimes some things don't go as well as they should.

Kaz Wolfe

medical side effects are a thing.

Said things are extremely rare though, especially in this case.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander That's why we have rigorous trials for most things. We're concentrating on the fact that people are all too willing to believe a discredited doctor's falsified work than the general scientific consensus, while still calling it science

Kaz Wolfe

6:14 PM

It's like the Polio epedemic, and the fact that it was blamed on Ice Cream.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe wat

Kaz Wolfe

Big Dairy was poisoning our kids with polio to suit their own agenda!

@Zacharee1 tl;dr, the polio outbreaks (which happened in summer) were blamed on ice cream because ice cream sold in summer.

Byte Commander

@Zacharee1 Still sometimes we find out later that things we believed to be healthy earlier are actually harmful.

Kaz Wolfe

And both were kid-related things.

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander I'm not disagreeing, and I never meant to imply anything to go against that. I was talking about vaccines causing autism and how they don't

nothing else

Kaz Wolfe

6:17 PM

the entire vaccine scare as an illuminati-esque conspiracy theory about "big pharma" controlling everything

Seth

6:50 PM

super awesome chrome extension.

Zacharee1

lol

Seth

now whenever I type kick the page goes up xD

Kaz Wolfe

hjkl is the weirdest thing to ever exist.

the machine that actually used that thing has been out of service for how long, now?

Seth

huh?

Kaz Wolfe

why hjkl?

Seth

6:59 PM

because that's the home row?

Kaz Wolfe

i know it was programmed by the person who made vim originally, but the computer that actually uses hjkl as the arrow keys hasn't existed in a long time.

Seth

the idea is you don't have to move your fingers.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth --^

it has nothing to do with it being on the home row, that's just coincidental

that's also the reason ~ means your home dir

and why ESC is the modeswitch key, because it was easily reachable back then.

and why CAPS <-> Ctrl swaps are common in Vim/PCs nowadays.

All because of this antiquated terminal.

Someone should really redesign Vim to be friendly and up-to-date with modern standards whilst purging all of the old useless ones made up by the ADM-3A.

Byte Commander

Simply

Use

nano

Kaz Wolfe

wait. that's Emacs and nano.

Zacharee1

7:04 PM

@ByteCommander gedit

Byte Commander

or that

Kaz Wolfe

the problem with nano is that it isn't in the Posix spec, so it's not present everywhere.

Zacharee1

EOL askubuntu.com/questions/829547/about-wifi-connection-in-ubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

We need nano in posix!!

Seth

@KazWolfe sources, sources..

@KazWolfe or, you know, just learn vi like a boss.

Kaz Wolfe

7:21 PM

@Seth picture, picture.

Seth

that's not a source

Kaz Wolfe

ADM-3A

The ADM-3A was one of the first video display terminals. First shipped in 1976 it was manufactured by Lear Siegler and had a 12 inch screen displaying 12 or 24 lines of 80 characters. It set a new industry low single unit price of $1,195. Its "Dumb Terminal" nickname came from some of the original trade publication advertisements. It quickly became commercially successful because of the rapid increase of computer communications speeds, and because of new minicomputer systems released to the market which required inexpensive operator consoles. == History == Lear Siegler, Inc. (LSI) manufactured...

Seth

@KazWolfe they fixed that with systemd.

Kaz Wolfe

How about this?

Seth

I meant for vim's choice.

Downgoat

7:29 PM

Did someone say vim? :P

Kaz Wolfe

> The use of the HJKL keys for moving the cursor in the vi editor and its descendants stems from the ADM-3A; it had the cursor-movement arrows printed on those four keys.[10][discuss]

Seth

interesting. well I've been lied to somewhere :p

still, I think the positions are good choices.

who writes the password policies for these government sites? They are absolutely idiotic.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Grep after piping no working always

I'm using OS X El Capitan, connecting to Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS via ssh, using oh my zsh in the server. Well this is what happens: ➜ dir cat nohup.out | grep 509 zsh: command not found: grep ➜ dir cat nohup.out | grep 509 zsh: command not found: grep ➜ dir cat nohup.out | grep 509 scrapping url...

Zanna

what is this idiotic policy you speak of?

Rinzwind

7:47 PM

@Seth 5 times the same questions worded a bit differently: http://askubuntu.com/users/444727/jb-user?tab=topactivity
from 1 user ;-)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Enable ZFS ZED Email Notifications on 16.04 by user535783 on askubuntu.com

Zanna

@SmokeDetector you're losing your touch...

Kaz Wolfe

@Zanna it got hit as fp-

Zanna

fp-?

Kaz Wolfe

false positive

Zanna

7:54 PM

that's what I'm saying :)

Kaz Wolfe

Remember, kids: You can't hack the dark net without overriding the redundant json bandwidth!

And that hacking the card won't do anything, you need to breach the open-source rss system!

Seth

??

Kaz Wolfe

hacker.actor

6

Seth

hahahahahaha

Nathan Osman

o/

@KazWolfe Hey, we finally found the tool that Hollywood uses.

Kaz Wolfe

8:07 PM

@NathanOsman And every upper-level manager: github.com/stympy/faker#fakercompany

Seth

@NathanOsman Kaz made that :p

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth i did not

BoltWolf is not one of my enterprises, sadly.

oh really?

no.

sounded like it ;p

8:08 PM

i don't have a cloud computing enterprise at the moment.

(well, there's Project: Rain, but that's not meant to be used publicly)

plus it's just this class @Seth:github.com/stympy/faker#fakerhacker

Actually, the entire Faker::Company class can replace any C-level exec.

Seth

WANT androiddmr.com

Nathan Osman

IP67 and shockproof. Nice.

Kaz Wolfe

can i actually use that for regular CB?

Seth

@KazWolfe lol

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth i'm dumb with radio, okay?

i know wifi but not standard FCC stuff.

Seth

8:17 PM

@KazWolfe No. CB is HF. This is UHF and above.

Not to mention the trouble you'd have getting a 27MHz signal to radiate well at that antenna size..

Kaz Wolfe

so... basically a FM transciever?

oh wait, it has 432MHz. So it can work for local handset comms.

Seth

> The first and only Amateur Radio HT for FM/DMR that is “Point and Click” for choosing FM and DMR repeaters!

Kaz Wolfe

3 out of 4 words went over my head there.

Seth

FM is the only important one for this conversation :p

Kaz Wolfe

so it allows you to transmit and receive FM radio for short-range comms, if I understand it right?

or transmit up to a full tower for long-range comms?

Seth

8:24 PM

@KazWolfe maybe. It's hard to get things certified under multiple parts of Title 47. They will probably just get it Part 97 certified, which may or may not be legal for your usage, depending on what exactly you mean by "local handset comms."

@KazWolfe pretty much, yes.

Kaz Wolfe

let's say i want to reliably send a message over a distance of 1km for regular communications

Seth

Use an internet linked repeater or get a different radio.

Nathan Osman

Or yell real loud.

Kaz Wolfe

but that's the general thing?

Zanna

lol

Kaz Wolfe

8:26 PM

short-range general communications?

yes.

and now i get it.

Amateur radio (also called ham radio) describes the use of radio frequency spectrum for purposes of non-commercial exchange of messages, wireless experimentation, self-training, private recreation, radiosport, contesting, and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;" (either direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from commercial broadcasting, public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio services (such...

user136984

@Seth: Doesn't that just make you want to eat your radio? :P

Seth

@ParanoidPanda Um, no.

Kaz Wolfe

8:31 PM

so... let me try to understand fully, @Seth. This device is essentially a two-way radio using Android, similar to what grounds crews and maintenance staff use to communicate with each other?

Seth

@KazWolfe that's pretty accurate, yes. But it won't likely be certified for that use.

user136984

@KazWolfe @Seth: No, it uses ham. Or even bacon sometimes. :P

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Seth

-.-

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth So... why does it need certification if it's just short-range? And, what is it for then if not for short-range comms?

If I can't even hit 1 KM on a non-accessible frequency (meaning, not within "standard radio" limits), what's the point?

Seth

@KazWolfe Every radio device needs FCC certification.

Kaz Wolfe

8:34 PM

@Seth Right, but why wouldn't it be certified for that?

Seth

@KazWolfe because that is not the goal of the manufacturer.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth okay, so who/what is this specific device for?

Seth

7 mins ago, by Seth

Amateur radio

Amateur radio (also called ham radio) describes the use of radio frequency spectrum for purposes of non-commercial exchange of messages, wireless experimentation, self-training, private recreation, radiosport, contesting, and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;" (either direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from commercial broadcasting, public safety (such as police and fire), or professional two-way radio services (such...

Kaz Wolfe

So... ham radio operators trying to broadcast long-range through a repeater of some sort?

Seth

I'm not sure why long range is so fixed in your mind. This really has little to do with range at all.

it's for ham radio operators to do whatever they want with it.

Kaz Wolfe

8:37 PM

because i'm not good with radio concepts. From what I understand, there are two classes of radio, short-range (local comms, et al) and long-range (media/entertainment, public service, et al)

Seth

(within its manufactured abilities, obviously). This may include long range comms through a repeater, but that is just one thing it can do.

@KazWolfe well you can divide it that way.. but radio is really anything that uses electromagetic waves to perform some form of communication. From short wave to wifi. (and above)

Kaz Wolfe

okay let's try something else.

Say you got one of these. What would you use it for?

Seth

emcomm, local contacts, radio direction finding, maybe as a scanner (depending on what features they include), et al.

Kaz Wolfe

ah.

Seth

@KazWolfe you should look into amateur radio. I think you will find it a topic you are interested in.

Kaz Wolfe

8:43 PM

i've been curious into dabbling with it in the past, but not enough time/money to put into it

Seth

There's really no reason to not get a basic license though.

Kaz Wolfe

plus i'd probably just end up setting IPoFM or something

Zanna

surely too broad askubuntu.com/questions/829582/what-is-root-in-linux

Kaz Wolfe

actually... IPoFM sounds good for some low-bandwidth applications i have in mind

Kaz Wolfe

8:56 PM

askubuntu.com/questions/829582/what-is-root-in-linux#829582

candidate for reopen @Seth

Byte Commander

O'rly?

Kaz Wolfe

well, less close now

Byte Commander

You want to answer it?

Kaz Wolfe

broadness is not FS root / user root

i can answer it, i like free rep

Byte Commander

Well, have my VTR.

Seth

8:59 PM

ok, answer it.

user136984

@ByteCommander: O’Reilly?

user136984

Where?

Byte Commander

No.

Have a goat.

5

Oh, I passed 23k today! \o/

Kaz Wolfe

9:14 PM

@ByteCommander I like goats! :D

But is it an upgoat or a @Downgoat?

Byte Commander

Find it out ;)

Downgoat

@KazWolfe +1 :D

Kaz Wolfe

Fact: Goats are cool.

Downgoat

btw anyone have experience with wordpress/mariadb on debain?

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, sorta-ish.

my advice: install Drupal/Joomla

Downgoat

9:17 PM

did you have any problems or anything with memory?

Kaz Wolfe

95% fewer backdoors

Downgoat

MariaDB keeps crashing on CentOS due to out of memory

Byte Commander

Here's a poor guy with only 95 points left who started a +100 bounty on a question he answered himself later: askubuntu.com/a/828025/367990

Nathan Osman

@Downgoat Swap enabled or not?

Downgoat

@KazWolfe I'm looking at ghost cause it seems like a lot lighter CMS. But now I have a nice theme and i dont want to hvae to redo it

Byte Commander

9:18 PM

I had to fiddle with wordpress on Debian during an internship once.

Downgoat

@NathanOsman Since my VPS is SSD I only have setup 1.5GB swap because I dont want to kill the hardware

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander i might be nice and throw a +100 at him.

@Downgoat VPS?

As in, hosted by someone else?

Downgoat

@KazWolfe yeah, I use digitalocean atm

Kaz Wolfe

@Downgoat MURDER DAT HARDWARE

Use ALL the swap!

Byte Commander

Set swappiness to a low value.

Kaz Wolfe

9:21 PM

it's not your SSD. Free reign!

Downgoat

@ByteCommander I thought higher value = more swap used?

Byte Commander

And modern SSDs don't wear out that fast any more anyway.

Downgoat

How do I increase swapfile size?

Seems like if I create a new one everything will bork

Kaz Wolfe

@Downgoat you can create a new one live no problem IIRC

Byte Commander

The higher the swappiness value, the more aggressively does the system use swap. Default on Ubuntu is 60, various resources recommend a value of 10.

Downgoat

9:23 PM

@ByteCommander I have mine on ten but I've increased it to 60. I'll see what that does

Byte Commander

Swap file or swap partition?

And no, lower swappiness values are better for SSDs.

Downgoat

root:/ # sudo rm swapfile
rm: cannot remove ‘swapfile’: Operation not permitted

what am i doing wrong :|

Kaz Wolfe

@Downgoat swapoff -a

Byte Commander

what does swapon say?

Downgoat

oh

@KazWolfe no output

Kaz Wolfe

9:24 PM

@Downgoat try now

Downgoat

vihan:~ $ swapoff -a
swapoff: Not superuser.
vihan:~ $ sudo su root
root:/home/vihan # swapoff -a
root:/home/vihan #

Kaz Wolfe

no, try deleting the swapfile again

Byte Commander

Why delete? Just truncate it to a bigger size and mkswap it again?

Downgoat

@KazWolfe \o/ it worked

Kaz Wolfe

#LinuxMagic

Downgoat

9:28 PM

root:/ # swapon -s
Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
/swapfile                               file    4194300 0       -1

@Wordpress pls dont crash now

$ cat ./fixwordpress
#!/usr/bin/env sh
sudo reboot

Fixing problems 101

Kaz Wolfe

$ cat ./fixwordpress.sh
#!/bin/bash
rm -rf /var/www/blog

my version of that script :D

Byte Commander

sudo inside a script?

Downgoat

@KazWolfe ;_;

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman, tell us about how good Wordpress and PHP are!

Nathan Osman

Byte Commander

9:33 PM

kay guys, trying to go to bed before midnight today. Seeya.

Downgoat

@ByteCommander .o/ g'night

Byte Commander

Please no bye pings.... >.<

Downgoat

>_> sorry

Byte Commander

If I'm still here, I see it anyway.

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander byeeee!

>:D

Byte Commander

9:36 PM

But if I'm no longer online, I'll get my inbox filled with them tomorrow.

Byte Commander

9:53 PM

I felt the need to open my heart on meta about this. Probably they'll stab me with downvotes now...

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Q: Don't ping me to answer good bye, please!

When I go offline and announce this in chat, for example by saying Good night guys! it is of course only polite to answer that salutation, like Good night. See you. Sleep well. Bye. and all other possible variations. That's nice and I appreciate polite feedback, but ...

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edwinksl

10:08 PM

@ByteCommander i am not so sure about this...

Byte Commander

about what exactly?

edwinksl

about posting it in MSE

Byte Commander

Yeah, I'm regretting it already.

edwinksl

you can certainly request people not to ping you to say goodbye in AU chat

Kaz Wolfe

owie.

at least it's not a kaz-grade post

Byte Commander

10:10 PM

Welp, I'll just delete it then. Going to get closed anyway.

What is kaz-grade?

edwinksl

personally, the best choice is maybe to just not say goodbye. after all, i doubt anyone is offended if you have to leave in a public place like chat

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander -40

brb posting answer so you can't close it >:D

edwinksl

evil

Kaz Wolfe

YOU CHEATER

YOU CHEATING CHEATY CHEATER

Also the OP3 doesn't support Sprint or full VZW? Wut.

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe too late

nuked it from (<10k) orbit

Kaz Wolfe

10:13 PM

w0w can't take your downvotes.

look at mr. can delete his posts and get rep back over here.

Byte Commander

And getting a bronze badge for it ^_^

Kaz Wolfe

i wanna delete my sum -20 something

Byte Commander

I dislike that the big Meta is actually a main site with rep and stuff and not just a meta site like the small metas.

You can't really post opinions.

edwinksl

need MMSE

user136984

This is really nice music:

user136984

10:17 PM

Imee Ooi - The Chant of metta ( Lyrics: Pali & Eng)

►

user136984

:)

Byte Commander

Do we close that kind of hardware recommendation? askubuntu.com/q/829608/367990

@edwinksl Meta Meta Stack Exchange - the place to rant about how you got mistreated on Meta Stack Exchange

edwinksl

indeed

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander suggest and get all the downvotes!

Byte Commander

Yikes, no.

edwinksl

10:19 PM

that may actually be a kaz grade post

Byte Commander

Got enough for today.

That would become a double-kaz

Kaz Wolfe

brb i wanna reset to 1 rep on MSE

Byte Commander

o.O?

Kaz Wolfe

-157

Q: Don't close questions where the user has requested that it not be closed

The system should search posts for the word "please" in proximity to the phrase "don't close" or "do not close", and if found together disable the close link for the following reasons: They asked nicely They knew enough about the system to understand that posts can be closed, and thus are exper...

feature-request vote-to-close fun

edwinksl

heh, the MIT license post has net -274 lmao

Byte Commander

10:24 PM

And for that answer, he got 147 upvotes and a +500 bounty:

147

A: Don't close questions where the user has requested that it not be closed

I would suggest that rather than closing these questions, we set up a migration path to Yahoo Answers. To prevent it from being abused, it would only be available when the system finds: "please" in proximity to the phrase "don't close" or "do not close"

Meta is brutal.

Kaz Wolfe

-195

Q: Should we discourage leading +/-1 on comments?

Update: The test is over; results and the final form of this restriction detailed here: Remove the limitation that stops comments from starting with +1 or -1 I'm getting really sick of finding folks arguing about votes, only to see that the bickering started with a comment of the form, -1,...

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grand total of -304 DVs

meta is bloody evil

user136984

Anyone know what those conductive strips are called which are attached to moving parts in order to allow a current to still flow between their wires and the wires of the thing around them which are touching them?

Kaz Wolfe

most SE sites seem to hate users a lot. MetaSE really pushes this.

user136984

They should just be like little metal strips, but I don't remember the name it's been a while since I've built stuff like this.

Byte Commander

No idea what you are describing, sorry...

user136984

10:29 PM

You have a spinning part and you need to transmit electricity from the bit which is not moving but is around it and just about in contact.

user136984

There are little metal strips you put on the spinning bit and the bit around it which is not moving to continue the flow.

user136984

So say if you have a spinning disk and you need to put lights on it, how are you going to get the power to it if not by battery?

Kaz Wolfe

Lowest scoring MSE answers: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/103462/…

Byte Commander

I only know brushes made of coal or gauze which you use e.g. in electro-motors. You mean that?

Kaz Wolfe

Lowest scoring MSE questions: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/544364/…

user136984

10:33 PM

@ByteCommander: I don't know, but basically you have a spinning part, and then a part around that part which is not moving and you need to somehow get electricity between them and you can't do that with wires because one of them is spinning.

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe Wow, "top" 10 all by Jeff Atwood, the SE founder, with 1 exception.

@ParanoidPanda Yeah, then you would use brushes, I think.

edwinksl

@ParanoidPanda or use a slip ring?

Byte Commander

Normally a small piece of coal on a spring pressing it against that other part.

user136984

@ByteCommander: Right, must just be my memory then, it's been quite a few years since I've done this sort of thing.

user136984

@edwinksl: Might be what I'm thinking of.

user136984

10:34 PM

What are the proper names for these brushes?

user136984

I am trying to find them on the Maplin website.

Kaz Wolfe

slip rings.

you want slip rings

user136984

Right, I'm just getting DIY wind turbines when searching for them on the Maplin site... :D

user136984

But maybe I should get out of the DIY category and try again... Though I thought they would be in there.

user136984

Oh god, what am I thinking?

user136984

10:36 PM

It will be in "Components"! :D

user136984

Or not... They don't seem to be available on Maplin, that's strange, I thought I would be able to find them there.

user136984

Do you know where I can get hold of them?

Kaz Wolfe

The reason MSE has rep: "Meta StackExchange is a site for experts in StackExchange"

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe I'd accept that as argument if they only allowed "support" questions, but there are also "bug", "feature-request" and especially "discussion" base tags.

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander then be the first MSE post to hit -1000!

Byte Commander

10:41 PM

That would be epic.

I guess they'd implement negative rep scores only for me then.

Kaz Wolfe

make a MSE post asking for it!

Byte Commander

sure... :p

Kaz Wolfe

and below 1 means you can't post...

so that's effectively a lifetime ban! :D

unless you edit your posts into something good.

which you can't.

so... lifetime ban

and to make it really evil...

set the new rep bound to 0.

you're just one point away from an unban...

user136984

Surprised they don't have Slip Rings in Maplin, but seems I they do on Amazon! I'll probably ask around the locale electronics shops first though.

Kaz Wolfe

what are you using it for, @ParanoidPanda?

user136984

10:51 PM

@KazWolfe: A secret project with moving parts. :P

Kaz Wolfe

okay.

are you trying to build a UFO?

Also, do you just want power lines or data too?

user136984

Just power.

Kaz Wolfe

is one enough?

if so, a two-line slip ring would give enough power.

user136984

Well, I've only got one thing to power on top of the spinning disc.

user136984

And no, it's not a UFO. :P

user136984

10:53 PM

It's a science experiment for a matter of fact. It might fail, but we will see.

user136984

I will let you know more about it if I get it off the ground. :)

Byte Commander

so it does fly?

user136984

Some parts of it do.

user136984

Sort of.

user136984

In fact, they are likely to fly off in the initial stages and hit me in the face... :D

user136984

10:54 PM

So I need to get some protective gear!

Byte Commander

Typical panda.

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user136984

:D

Kaz Wolfe

so... UFO.

user136984

Well, it's not meant to be any sort of vehicle, so I wouldn't really call it that... But the bits that will likely fly off from it, now they could be mistaken as UFOs... :D

Kaz Wolfe

so... Mothership/base.

STOP WITH THE ALIENS

user136984

10:59 PM

Yes! I plan to take over the world with it! >:P

Kaz Wolfe

brb getting shotgun.

glhf

user136984

We have nuclear LASERs blasting you with Photonic Matter! You won't stand a chance! >:D

Kaz Wolfe

and i have good aim

user136984

We have shields.

user136984

And an invisibility cloak.

Kaz Wolfe

11:02 PM

no you dont

user136984

Yes we do!

user136984

We are fat, round, and we can fly!

Kaz Wolfe

no you dont

okay, then i'll get the donuts.

user136984

We have a sort purple belly and grey back, with a little white band round our necks.

user136984

We even have pouches in our throats!

user136984

11:03 PM

Where we store bread and grass seed.

Kaz Wolfe

and i have chickens.

user136984

We are the Wood Pigeon Alliance!

user136984

We have bombers in the skies so be careful.

user136984

:P

Kaz Wolfe

chickens.

user136984

11:04 PM

Chickens can't fly.

Kaz Wolfe

that is false.

they cannot fly far.

they can fly somewhat.

user136984

But Wood Pigeons in their thousands can be so vicious you won't see them coming!

Kaz Wolfe

i'll see them coming across the ocean.

and... birdshot.

user136984

Also, no idea how this strange not so much UFO related conversation came about, I really am making something which has nothing to do with UFOs or Wood Pigeon Alliances that I need Slip Rings for! :D

user136984

It's an experiment relating to various forces.

user136984

11:07 PM

Anyway, the Wood Pigeons are now calling! I must go to bed! Coo coo! And goodnight! ;)

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda good night

Byte Commander

11:22 PM

Reminds me that I wanted to go to bed 1:30h ago...

Byte Commander

11:46 PM