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12:02 PM
@terdon they also were the first to remove the headphone jack on their phones
OK, downloading the new CM build
 
They can do what they like to phones, but if you've bought one of the most iconic laptop lines in existence, you really don't want to alienate the users who've been buying them for decades!
 
@terdon ahem Verizon ahem
 
?
 
@terdon HEAR HEAR
My next laptop's not going to be a thinkpad
 
@terdon very frustrating indeed. i was considering a thinkpad and then this crap happens
 
12:04 PM
and I've had then as my main laptops for over a decade.
 
@terdon "oh, these people have been using our service since we were AirTouch? Let's make their plan price even higher while we give deals to new customers"
 
(and linux hasn't even been a consideration since I typically remote into my linux boxen)
 
I have no idea what verizon do. All I know is that they're some sort of US internet provider. Or is it phones? I know they're huge and hated but that's just about it.
 
@terdon american ISP/phone company.
But they all supposedly suck to various degrees
 
12:06 PM
@terdon Biggest cellular provider, FiOS, some other stuff
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's the sum of my knowledge about them
 
@JourneymanGeek T-Mobile is almost human it's so friendly ;p
 
My next laptop's probably going to be a razer.
 
@JourneymanGeek do MSi
 
@Zacharee1 I've been happy with most of my razer hardware so far
 
12:08 PM
hmm
@JourneymanGeek I know! APPLE!
:D
 
@Zacharee1 aluminium monobody, great screens.... and they come in black
 
Well, actually, now that they've opened their systems to other OSs, macbooks might not be a bad idea.
 
lotta moniez
 
the blade and blade stealth are essentially MBP and MBA without OS X
 
The hardware is excellent, after all.
 
12:08 PM
@terdon wat
 
@Zacharee1 The hardware is excellent.
 
no the other OS thing
their hardware may be excellent, but HP makes stuff with literally the same hardware for a 3rd/half the price
 
You can install Linux on macbooks these days.
 
You've always been able to run your own OSes on apple hardware no?
 
@terdon couldn't you always?
 
12:09 PM
@Zacharee1 wierd thing with HP, their low end stuff is... really nice
 
@JourneymanGeek Not really, not when they had their own chips, I think.
 
I don't trust their high end stuff
@terdon PPC is a really really old thing, and running linux on it was/is semi trivial
 
@Zacharee1 Not the same hardware. Not by a long shot. The design quality of the macs is really stellar.
 
@JourneymanGeek I know, right? It's weird. Some of it is bad, like the HP with a Pentium I've used
 
@Zacharee1 my stream... is awesome other than the screen
 
12:10 PM
@JourneymanGeek Oh, OK. I always thought you couldn't run non Apple OSs before they switched to intel chips.
 
if they offered one with an IPS screen...
keyboard's actually the best chicklet style one I have used, its featherlight, and actually pretty solid
 
@terdon Design quality does not justify the price hike. And yes, the hardware is extremely similar. I would know, since I've done Hackintosh on an HP, and it works almost perfectly. Macs have a very narrow scope of compatible hardware. My HP fit it almost exactly
@terdon Ubuntu has a PPC version. And they did that switch in 2004 o_O
 
and yellow dog
and PPC is still a thing, just not on desktops/laptops
 
yeah
 
and linux will run on any reasonably modern arch.
And many non recent ones
 
12:12 PM
brb getting my 4004
 
@Zacharee1 Last I checked, the price wasn't that different. To my surprise. I'd always thought macs were way more expensive than equivalent machines, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. But the hardware quality is unmatched by anything I've seen. Some of the older thinkpads were the only ones I know of that compared.
I'm talking about how the thing is put together, the chassis etc. Not just the specific items it contains.
 
@terdon I have a x220
 
is that a thinkpad?
 
if I replace the battery, its good another 4 years I think
yup, one of the last models with the proper keyboard
 
Ah, yes, I remember you telling me about it. I have a t4500 and ditto.
 
12:14 PM
Sandy bridge (so about 5 years old), upgraded to 8gb of ram, and a 2.5 inch ssd.
 
@terdon while I'm looking this up, I do want to point out the the Apple Trashcan hasn't been updated since 2013 and is still $4k at least
 
@Zacharee1 I find those things odd.
 
The Trashcan?
 
and alas, if they replaced it, I might be able to pick em up cheap and gut em for actual modern hardware
 
I used to think that the innards of the machine were the only thing that counts. And then I bought a Fujitsu-Siemens piece of crap that had stellar specs but horrible build. It broke almost immediately. The chassis was so flexible that it would only work on a 100% flat surface. The tiniest imperfection would cause it to crash (the graphics card was bending, apparently)
 
12:15 PM
yup
 
@Zacharee1 What's that?
 
@terdon laptop?
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah
 
@terdon Mac Pro
 
12:16 PM
Um, no. Still missing something. Trashcan?
 
to be honest, almost every laptop I bought myself has been "OOOH I WANT ONE"
@terdon the current mac pro is a black cylinder that looks like a trashcan
 
Oh, that one.
OK
 
(the previous one was a cheesegrater)
 
I really like i) the ventilation system and ii) the GPU use on that one.
But that's not a laptop, anyway
 
Its interesting but not maintainable
also pretty but not efficient
 
12:18 PM
No? How so?
 
but I've built every desktop I've owned in... 20 years
@terdon spacewise?
as for maintainable, if it breaks, you can't replace parts with industry standard parts
 
Really? It looks ridiculously efficient. Seems to pack a hell of a bang in a very small space, doesn't it?
My main gripe with it would be that I can't easily expand it.
And the price. For a desktop, that's just silly.
 
Its not a desktop
 
It's their laptops that are at the same price as equivalent ones.
@JourneymanGeek Huh?
 
its a workstation.
 
12:20 PM
The difference being?
 
@terdon so HP does seem to be aiming toward higher price laptops nowadays, but taking the baseline MacBook Pro ($1300) and The HP Envy 13t ($750), that's a $550 price difference for similar specs and good build quality. apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/Laptops/hp-envy---13t-laptop-p3q77av-1
 
Oh, you mean like high end server?
 
Workstations are desktops with server grade parts
 
My Google Chrome Help Page is in Spanish o_O
 
ehh. More like a midrange server as a desktop
 
12:21 PM
@terdon I don't have the evidence now to back it up, but I did a price hunt on the $10k Mac Pro version and came up with $6-7k
 
@Zacharee1 Not talking baseline. I'm looking at ~2k prices anyway. Not really worth buying a laptop for less. I'd just go for a netbook or something if I couldn't spend something around 2k.
@JourneymanGeek ok
 
@terdon Well then I'll go all the way up
 
@terdon I used to work in the vfx industry, those are lovely machines
to be fair, completely impractical for desktop use
but lovely none the less
 
@terdon that brings it to a ~$900 price difference
 
But, anyway, my main point is that until you've used a really well designed laptop, you don't appreciate how important minor things are. I used to think it's silly to pay for design (and I don't mean aesthetics, I mean design, how the thing is put together) until I got my thinkpad and played with some macs and saw the light.
@Zacharee1 Compared to what?
 
I have a high end (well, it used to be high end) anyway Dell machine here and it just doesn't compare to the thinkpad or mac books in terms of design.
And for some reason, possibly prejudice, I just don't trust HP at all.
 
@terdon I know design is important. My MSi is pretty crappy in that regard and it isn't great, but I don't think it's worth paying $900 just to get the Apple design over an already very nice HP design
 
@terdon the term I use is build quality
 
@terdon neither do I. I'm just pointing out that they tend to be Apple clones internally with their own design
 
@Zacharee1 As I said, I don't mean eyecandy. The thinkpads were ugly but brilliantly designed.
@JourneymanGeek Yes, that
 
12:25 PM
@terdon they're ugly the same way a sledgehammer is ugly
 
I've never seen an HP with decent build quality. I've seen HP servers with brilliant quality, granted, but not a laptop. Not that I've seen that many though.
@JourneymanGeek Aye
 
they were basically design stripped down to the minimum (a black slab) and with highlights
@terdon heh, my stream is a brilliant bit of kit
 
@terdon HPs are durable, though, trust me on that. My ProBook had an accelerometer to park the HDD if it sensed rapid movement
 
@Zacharee1 I'm pretty sure IBM thinkpads had those for ages
 
@Zacharee1 That's a neat feature. Most high end ones have that though, don't they? I know macs do.
 
12:26 PM
@JourneymanGeek probably
@terdon This was a $600 laptop when it was new. Probably $150 value now :p
 
and I donno. I have a 7 year old thinkpad at work
 
I still remember when HP laptops died a day after the warranty expired. They did so way too often to be random.
 
she runs fine
 
@terdon well right now, I'm on the Dell website, looking through laptops
 
they literally pulled her out of a scrap pile, didn't even blow off the dust and handed it to me
 
12:28 PM
Hi there
 
I don't know how to use Dell's website ._.
 
@Zacharee1 I'm fond of my Dell. And I've had it for ~6 years now (although I changed the mobo once). I still miss the quality of my thinkpad though :(
 
aha
 
(and eh. I'm trying to find an excuse to upgrade my desktop ._.)
 
@JourneymanGeek Go Trashcan™
 
12:30 PM
@Zacharee1 eh. I currently run a core i7 ivy bridge, a gforce 980TI, 16 gigs of ram and a samsung 850 pro. Dual UHD monitors.
Got the keyboard and mouse dialed in.
 
@JourneymanGeek I'll gladly take that off your hands
 
@Zacharee1 It works perfectly ;p
 
That's more than a 100% price increase
 
Now if I had a more regular job...
 
and that one has 2TB storage + touchscreen
 
12:31 PM
I could use my current motherboard and build a storage box
 
@JourneymanGeek you could buy one for me too!
:p
 
@Zacharee1 I quite literally saved over a year for the original system
 
yay 1000 reviews
@JourneymanGeek wow
 
tho that was a crappy asus monitor, and a gforce 660
did the dual monitor and video card upgrades later
also over a year
I'd like some audio upgrades I suppose
but I don't have space for nicer speakers
 
OK, backup done, rebooting to Recovery to wipe and flash
wish me luck
@JourneymanGeek in a year's time....
 
12:34 PM
@Zacharee1 think of it this way, put aside a fiver a day...
150 dollars a month, 1800 in a year
 
hmm
 
If you design a system, you can just get parts that are the same range but maybe one peg better
I got an i7 ivy rather than an i5 sandy
 
@Zacharee1 Yeah, that looks good apart from the stupid touch screen. That's an offer though. The regular price is closer to 1500.
 
@terdon still a $900 difference
 
user136984
Could anybody tell me what DMT is (apparently it is linked to the pineal gland)?
 
user136984
12:38 PM
I assume it is some sort of drug.
 
> N,N-Dimethyltryptamine is a powerful psychedelic compound of the tryptamine family.
 
user136984
Ok, that would make sense in this context! :D
 
o_O
watcha doin'
 
@Zacharee1 maybe that's why the panda is paranoid...
 
huehuehhuhuhuehuhe
 
user136984
12:40 PM
Oh no, someone is just wondering why I am so strange and they are asking me if I take any psychedelic drugs! :D
 
but why
 
user136984
And I'm saying that my body generates enough already. :P
 
user136984
@Zacharee1: That's a good question...
 
just so you know, there is a subreddit dedicated to DMT
 
user136984
12:41 PM
No idea! :D
 
@edwinksl well of course
 
user136984
I had to look everything up so I don't really know much in this area. Nor do I really think that I want to! :D
 
Well I literally just put DMT into Google and got that
 
@ParanoidPanda since you mention DMT and psychedelic drugs, here is something that actually happened en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
 
user136984
@edwinksl: Ok, well, I don't think I am going to mention that to them! :D
 
user136984
12:45 PM
I was thinking about telling them I've started up my own version of the project as a joke but I think that that might backfire, I think they might think that I am extracting drugs from my own glands and taking them...
 
user136984
So seems as though my joke did backfire! :D
 
ew
 
user136984
Unless they are also joking.,,
 
user136984
Ah, this is too much for me! :P
 
lol
 
12:47 PM
@ParanoidPanda You are. That's the whole point of having glands. We all produce endogenous versions of the various drugs around. That's why the drugs work.
 
and that's code blocks fixed
for SO and AU
 
le dark spooky theme?
 
yees
oh noo
JESUS CHRIST
I HATE BROWSER FREEZERS
 
user136984
@terdon: Well, yes, but I meant like, other sort of drugs...
 
@ParanoidPanda I know. I was talking about, like, other sorts of drugs. Our bodies produce various opiates, for example. We also have a very nice endocannabinoid system.
 
12:53 PM
3 much bio 5 me
 
user136984
@terdon: Ok, then I am on drugs! :D
 
Basically, all recreational drugs work by mimicking existing systems. If we don't have a system for them, they don't have an effect.
 
@ParanoidPanda caffeine is a drug, so...
 
sigh
forgot to flash GApps
 
i just got triggered
 
12:56 PM
seizes uncontrollably while mumbling satanic phrases
 
pours holy water on @Zacharee1
Oh wait, that's the sewage water.
 
o_O
´._.`
 
(y)
oh wait, this isn't facebook
 
lelz
I just tried to flash GApps before it had finished copying over...
guys, down to 214 CVs
can we make this below 199?
 
@edwinksl for some reason, I lose control when people say literally when they mean metaphorically (not relevant here), I can't stop laughing when that happens...
 
1:01 PM
Yeah, I literally die when I read that.
 
@terdon RIP in pepperonis
 
literally literally? This seems like an x/y question and you might want to actually talk about what you're trying to do. Are you trying to stop crontab from running the script? — Journeyman Geek 6 mins ago
lel
 
@terdon lol
 
TIL the home alone boy appeared in michael jackson's black or white mv
 
1:16 PM
wat
 
@JourneymanGeek maybe you can write an answer :p
 
1:42 PM
@edwinksl threw it here so I could find it. I might have looked it up while dogwalking
 
1:52 PM
OK, it's decided. I'm getting the V20
UNLIMITED FINGERPRINTS
 
user136984
How bazaar!
 
user136984
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Q: Getting rid of an unknown user

jimberryMy login screen has started listing as an alternate user a word which I have used in the past as a password for certain applications. However, when I try to delete it I am told it does not exist, and it doesn't appear when I type cut -d: -f1 l /etc/passwd in terminal. I have no idea how I manage...

 
user136984
When exactly are the US Elections by the way? Is it November?
 
user136984
Also, who do you think will win?
 
user136984
No idea how to check the polls myself! :D
 
user136984
1:55 PM
I just hear about them.
 
user136984
But I assume that they are somewhere.
 
@ParanoidPanda bizarre?
 
user136984
@jokerdino: Yes, that's what I meant... Damn auto-correct! :D
 
@ParanoidPanda You know, at some point you should learn how to use a search engine. It really isn't that hard. You basically type in your search term, "US election poll" for example, and hit enter.
 
user136984
What does what I said mean then?
 
1:58 PM
bazaar means a local market
 
user136984
Really?
 
user136984
Well, you learn a new thing every day! :D
 
No
 
user136984
Oh
 
user136984
Now I'm confused! :D
 
1:59 PM
A bazaar is a permanently enclosed marketplace or street where goods and services are exchanged or sold. The term originates from the Persian word bāzār, from Middle Persian wāzār, from Old Persian vāčar, from Proto-Indo-Iranian *wahā-čarana. Souq is another word used in the Middle East for an open-air marketplace or commercial quarter. The term bazaar is sometimes also used to refer to the "network of merchants, bankers, and craftsmen" who work in that area. Although the current meaning of the word is believed to have originated in native Zoroastrian Persia, its use has spread and now has been...
 
user136984
Right...
 
user136984
Isn't it also some software?
 
Just like Apple is a company first and a fruit later.
5
 
user136984
@jokerdino: It is strange to name a market after software, but then the world is a strange place! ;P
 
@jokerdino music label 1st
@ParanoidPanda yes it is
 
2:05 PM
This restore is taking forever
 
@edwinksl done, though I'm pretty sure someone will laugh at how I abused at
 
@JourneymanGeek 2k soon!
@Zacharee1 totes legit
 
yehs
 
dat name doe
 
2:15 PM
restore.almost.done...........
@edwinksl John Doe
 
user136984
2:56 PM
This is one amazing car!
 
3:07 PM
greetings buddies! :)
 
Hello @SeverusTux how are you?
 
I am good :D wbu ?
thinking of installing xmonad
 
Very good here... just spent some pleasant time wandering a large bookshop. Your plan sounds like fun
 
3:27 PM
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Q: How would I run a php script?

ApplePieI am not sure if this is Unix related, but I can't really see what it would be, if it wasn't Unix related. I'm running a Ubuntu Server, and I'm trying to execute a .php script on my website when someone presses a button. Although, when it gets to triggering the script, it just shows the script co...

 
3:45 PM
@Seth Im getting a 40 pound gift card
 
@Mateo Ahhhh. Ok.
 
4:21 PM
Virus total shows no threat here, virustotal.com/en/url/…
freshclam is stopped by another process
and apt-get update is downloding list like a manica
unprecedented indeed
pinging google.com.do like they deserve
 
o/
 
4:44 PM
@Seth how much did you pay for your 5X?
 
@Zacharee1 $220
 
hmm
 
for the 32GB model.
 
yeah
 
USB C is pretty awesome. I never realized up much mental work it actually took to plug in micro USB before. I never really got it backwards, and I didn't think reversibility was such a big deal. But once you actually have it.. it's so weird. It really feels easier to plug in.
 
4:46 PM
lol
 
Yay eBay.
 
well the V20 has it, so I'll join you in November :p
 
This is why I hate you.
 
wat
 
I am interested in this item and am offering you $750 for it plus shipping cost. i want the package shipped to Malaysia via usps express and the shpment cost is around $60. I want the package shipped asap and the amount offered include the shipping fee.. kindly contact me via email (larrymoses19)AT (GmailDotcom). contact me via email only.. please use the item number as the subject of the email you send to me. contact me asap. thank you.

God bless you
 
4:47 PM
lol
totes legit
 
@Zacharee1 That's what I would have thought before I got it..
@KazWolfe lol
 
what are you selling
 
I assume you put "US shipping only" in the listing?
 
old iPhone, and no @Seth
I'm offering international. Thing is, this price point is $200 more than the current sale point of the device.
 
old iPhone for $500?
 
4:50 PM
it's in perfect condition and is only one gen old.
 
6S?
16 or 32
 
6S, 16, perf. cond, unlocked, jailbreakable OS
 
I think you can ask for more
but why would you offer intl shipping on a US phone?
 
@Zacharee1 global unlocked
 
So it's that actual variant?
 
4:51 PM
plus if someone else wants to buy it abroad, they can.
yeah, it's carrier clean and workable international last I checked
 
Was it ever for a specific carrier though?
 
T-Mo.
 
yeah...
 
550, @Zacharee1. Which i think is okay, especially after eBay takes $55 off of it.
 
That doesn't support CDMA, although that really only matters in the US
It supports 2/3 LTE bands in Malaysia
supports all UMTS bands
supports 1/2 GPRS bands
 
4:55 PM
so sell it to the guy @KazWolfe?
 
@Seth I'd rather make 550 and keep the money than lose the device and make nothing.
 
;)
 
Remember, my goal is to take the money I make on this phone and put it towards a OP3
 
link to listing?
 
@KazWolfe you could buy 2 with $550 :p
 
4:56 PM
@Zacharee1 OP3s are $400.
 
Google said $300
 
Google is wrong.
 
so... how great is USB-C?
 
it sounds nice
if @Seth is reputable
 
4:58 PM
it's pretty great.
I mean, it's just a USB cable so..
 
I'd imagine it's like lightning except universal
 
huh. it would have been nicer to have USB-C be like Lighning (so there's no "shelf" in the port) but eh.
that would be too much like Apple.
 
most people disagree.
Because that makes it really easy to break lightning cables.
 
shelf?
oh
 
i have never broken one, @Seth.
of course, i bought an aftermarket cable pretty fast.
 
5:00 PM
@KazWolfe well all the reviewers online apparently have lol
 
still, if that connection surface cracks or breaks off... rip your device.
 
@KazWolfe it hasn't been a problem with micro USB ever
 
My mother broke her tablet that way...
 
lol
 
eh, i'm looking forward to the switch back to FOSS
 
5:04 PM
@KazWolfe true enough. I'd rather RIP cable than device.
 
-1
A: Is there an GUI Designer for python?

BuntuThis is a good buntu thing for buntu by buntu used for buntu buntu is good buntu is nice buntu is good

^10K+ only.
 
^everyone only.
@jokerdino but that's a good post for a good buntu!
 
@jokerdino lol
wait so do deleted links still parse for 10kers?
or did you post the link then delete?
 
yes
 
gee thanks
 
5:09 PM
Is it A or B? Yes.
 
Yes.
There, answered your question now.
 
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → Ⓑ Ⓐ
 
what happened??
 
your phone got drunk, i think
 
5:40 PM
i need to get a safe deposit box for all of my 2FA tokens
 
Hi all :)
Any body here use xmonad or awesome WM ?
or any other tailing window manager ?
 

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