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Zacharee1

4:01 PM

lol

Mitchbot

@terdon does editing a closed question generate an automatic reopen vote?

terdon

@Zacharee1 It puts it in the reopen queue, yes

Zacharee1

OK

@Serg we have the close and reopen functions for a reason. If we left a non-English question open and just asked someone to translate it, that translation could take a while, and non-English answers are going to be posted. As soon as a closed question is edited, it gets a reopen vote, and there are so few of those, anyone who can review will want to take a look. — Zacharee1 6 secs ago

so why was braiam suspended, if that's public?

someone needs to learn about sudo askubuntu.com/questions/802757/…

Nathan Osman

Morning all.

terdon

@Zacharee1 The details of suspensions are never public.

Zacharee1

ah kk

Nathan Osman

4:16 PM

Lol, Apple.

> "If the Mac App Store badge appears with badges representing other platforms, place the Mac App Store badge first in the lineup of badges."

edwinksl

for nitroshare?

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman those are the terms?

Nathan Osman

Yes and yes.

Zacharee1

what if MS has the same req?

Nathan Osman

> "Upon Apple’s request, You shall supply Apple, at no cost and with no obligation to return, suitable specimens of Your use of the Artwork to verify Your compliance with this Mac Marketing Agreement."

@Zacharee1 You're hooped then.

Seth

4:20 PM

lol

Apple is so hateable.

Zacharee1

Don't you need to pay $99 for the real developer program so you can make them apps?

what even is this file extension

jokerdino

zip with an x

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 check that eclipse question again, i am not sure why there is a "lock icon" on what is presumably the ~/Downloads directory

@Zacharee1 apple.stackexchange.com/questions/242948/…

Zacharee1

weird

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Why are cross post not allow?

Zacharee1

4:28 PM

because they're annoying

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Crosspost: askubuntu.com/questions/802263/apparmor-profile security.stackexchange.com/questions/130979/apparmor-profile

Seth

Is unlocking on T-mobile really this easy? support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-21910

Zacharee1

@Seth psst lemme tell you a secret

Seth

what

Zacharee1

quietly it's T-Mobile

of course it's easy

Mateo

4:31 PM

@terdon not to mention dropping all the inexpensive plans, and making it so employers that had benefits to part-time dropped insurance, and made it so you couldn't use your old doctor because you would be a "new patient" on medicare and they only did what they were required to on accepting in people on that insurance...

Zacharee1

they don't care if you leave, because they know you probably won't

(TMO, not insurance)

Seth

well I will :P

Zacharee1

no

you're not even on them

and you will be on their network, so they're making money

Mateo

anyway, I'm ranting... but that is what happened here, oh and the place didn't hire on full time people...

@Seth I just buy my own phone and do the prepaid plans

Zacharee1

@Mateo he wants to stay on his $7/mo TranFone plan

and TMO phones are cheap

Mateo

4:35 PM

lol

Zacharee1

and TF uses all 4 major networks

but only gives you access to one or something

So @Seth, after this, you're technically going to have T-Mobile :D

Mateo

is that like 2g or something?

Zacharee1

wat

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Yes.

It's a frustrating annual expense.

Zacharee1

lol

we need apps to survive but we're going to make you pay us

Nathan Osman

4:37 PM

I'm basically paying them to give me a certificate I can use to codesign the app bundles.

geez

oh lol - 200MB

you mean data plan?

If I don't do that, the end users will get GateKeeper warnings.

Zacharee1

heh

Nathan Osman

4:38 PM

@Zacharee1 Were you around when I had the encryption issue?

Zacharee1

I don't think so

Mateo

@Zacharee1 that will get burned through in no time

Zacharee1

@Mateo apparently he doesn't use data very much, and it rolls over, so he has a ton when he needs it

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 I had to apply to the US Department of Commerce to get an ERN registration for my app because it used SSL.

Zacharee1

o_O

did you get it?

Nathan Osman

4:39 PM

Yeah, I know.

It took at least two hours.

@Zacharee1 Yes.

Zacharee1

well that's good

did you have to pay?

Nathan Osman

Nope.

Zacharee1

that's also good

Nathan Osman

Thankfully not, or I would probably have given up and just disabled that feature in the app.

Zacharee1

but it sounds like a hassle

Nathan Osman

4:40 PM

It sure was.

Zacharee1

APPLE

Nathan Osman

To be fair, that part wasn't their fault.

You can instead thank your government.

Zacharee1

orly

Nathan Osman

They have absolutely draconian restrictions on encryption export.

3

Zacharee1

heheheh

wait till Trump gets office :p

not even Canadians will get in, because of that program to fund a refugee's journey to Canada

Nathan Osman

4:42 PM

I don't know why headlines like this are surprising when they fight so hard against encryption...

FBI says it is investigating nature and scope of cyber intrusion at Democratic National Committee - Reuters http://www.breakingnews.com/t/Sl

Tweeted by breakingpol on July 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

edwinksl

apparently the russians are accused of leaking the DNC emails

good old cold war

Nathan Osman

...round 2.

terdon

@NathanOsman on the other hand, it only took 2 hours. I guarantee you that the same procedure in Greece (after you actually explained what SSL is) would take weeks.

IanC

what you guys talkin about?

Nathan Osman

@terdon I'm not even distributing my app (in the app store) in France for a similar reason.

Zacharee1

4:43 PM

@edwinksl new cold war

Nathan Osman

They have some other form you have to fill in.

Seth

@Zacharee1 no, T-MO phones come with unlocked bootloaders ;)

I'm going to use it on AT&T's network.

It won't ever touch T-mobile.

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 uncle sam needs your help in this new war

Zacharee1

@Seth why are you using it on ATT?

terdon

@NathanOsman Yep, makes sense.

As a French friend told me once, the French replaced absolute monarchy with absolute bureaucracy.

2

Zacharee1

4:44 PM

they're terrible

terdon

And, having spent a few years living there, I admit that's 100% true.

Seth

@Zacharee1 Better coverage.

Zacharee1

hmm

Seth

@Mateo same

Zacharee1

why does T-Mobile not have a full coverage map?

it only shows LTE

Seth

4:49 PM

why do you think?

Zacharee1

@Seth what's your city?

Seth

Puget Sound area.

Zacharee1

@Seth Because that's their selling point. But I want to see what 3G or voice I can get

@Seth the map says good coverage near the sound

Seth

it always says that

Zacharee1

but when you get about 25km away from the shore it gets spottty

is there a more exact place?

Seth

4:52 PM

nope.

I go all up and down the east side.

Zacharee1

how about that friend?

terdon

@Seth Wow, that looks like a fjord! It must have been gorgeous a few hundred years ago.

Zacharee1

@Seth So like Seattle, Auburn?

Seth

@Zacharee1 sure

Zacharee1

says customer verified LTE

edwinksl

4:54 PM

potential m$ employee spotted

Seth

@terdon no kidding!

Zacharee1

@edwinksl wut

Seth

It's still quite pretty, but it must have been even nicer back in the day..

terdon

@Seth Is it? It looks very urbanized on Google maps

Seth

@terdon It is both. You have to know where to find the untouched parts.

terdon

4:55 PM

Ah, OK, still green though.

edwinksl

seattle is a pretty nice place last time i visited except for the rain...

Seth

@terdon Very green.

Nathan Osman

The last time I crossed the border, we went as far as Bellingham.

That was... 2006, I think? :D

Zacharee1

"CRUZ TALKS TRUMP" — A Bad Lip Reading of Ted Cruz

►

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I accidentlly flagged the wrong flag for a post how can I undo the flag?

Zacharee1

5:08 PM

you can't

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@Zacharee1 What! :O

Zacharee1

it'll get declined

no big deal

Byte Commander

How is Bash's $() syntax called again?

terdon

@ByteCommander Command substitution

Byte Commander

Isn't that <( ) ?

Or was that process substitution...

Rinzwind

5:16 PM

Trump will do an AMA on reddit

edwinksl

the rube goldberg is strong in this askubuntu.com/a/605824/15003

terdon

@ByteCommander Yes, <() is process substitution. `` and $() are command substitution.

Nathan Osman

5:28 PM

That doesn't look good.

But the system still boots.

edwinksl

seems like the hard disk is borked?

Nathan Osman

It's an SSD.

And the filesystems are running atop LVM.

So it shouldn't be a problem.

Rinzwind

ssd about to go to heaven

Nathan Osman

I'm wondering if this is some sort of kernel bug.

@Rinzwind Believe me, if this SSD crashes, it's not going to heaven.

Rinzwind

sure it does :=)
(if you tell it it goes to hell it might die quicker ;-) )

Nathan Osman

5:31 PM

It shouldn't be dying at all! It's an SSD. It should last for longer than the five years or so I've had it.

Just the same. It may be time to make sure backups are doing their job.

Rinzwind

@edwinksl stop messing with my comments! >:-D

edwinksl

@Rinzwind ooooooops

Rinzwind

lol

edwinksl

alright you copypastaed the whole paragraph; i will delete my less complete comment ;)

Nathan Osman

@Rinzwind I can't see it. The signal-to-noise ratio would be too high.

Rinzwind

5:36 PM

hihihih vodafone just messed up

i was on 100% of my internet and they forgot to inform me so they are picking up the bill for it >:-D

edwinksl

how much does it cost to go over the cap

Nathan Osman

Lol, cellular data caps ;)

Rinzwind

@edwinksl 2 euro for the next 100mb :=D

I went over during their regular maintanance >:-D

edwinksl

^intentional? :P

Rinzwind

yes of course :=D

had to catch a pokemon D:

it is my 1st month. when I got the phone and was opening it up and setting up when waiting for the bus it already download 350mb in updates before I got to the "only update when on wifi" switch _o-

(1st month on a new phone)

in 7 days I am back to 500mb though :D

Zacharee1

5:54 PM

OT? askubuntu.com/questions/802794/what-happens-after-ubuntu-17-04

because it's speculation and will be opinionated?

Rinzwind

@Zacharee1 opinionated.

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 i see you have joined in editing the bluetooth question

Zacharee1

idk why she's going to the extra trouble of reverting all our edits

Rinzwind

bluetooth: it is gray(!) when it is not running, not loaded or hardware wise not detected :=)

edwinksl

no clue, maybe she thinks we are the ones committing typos

Zacharee1

5:58 PM

@Rinzwind well duh

Rinzwind

>:-D

@Zacharee1 would have been my comment but someone started before me :=)

SETH HAS ARRIVED

:-)

edwinksl

silent mod strikes again

Zacharee1

srsly

@Seth the assassin

who's using ATT

WHO KNEW

Seth

I'm actually using Verizon at the moment.

Zacharee1

eh, it's about the same as ATT :p

Nathan Osman

6:10 PM

Argh. Our home Internet has gone up 22% this year alone ಠ_ಠ

Kaz Wolfe

all ISPs are designed to make you suffer

Nathan Osman

Not the smaller ones.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman and it's still that slow?

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Welcome to Canada.

Zacharee1

well you're pretty far up aren't you?

Nathan Osman

6:13 PM

Far up?

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Um. 3 up/down for $75?

sharing one IP between 75 users?

Zacharee1

wat

Nathan Osman

It's a dedicated line, I think.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman north

Nathan Osman

I'm close enough to the border that I can sometimes pick up US carriers on my cell phone... :P

Zacharee1

6:14 PM

@NathanOsman oh yeah, you really want that dedicated line. that way you can ensure your 3mbps

@NathanOsman HAXOR

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe Roughly 5 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up.

Roughly.

Zacharee1

lol

Nathan Osman

It's a constant speed.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman the average of that is 3

Nathan Osman

But I think it's ever-so-slightly less than those numbers.

Zacharee1

6:15 PM

those cheats

Nathan Osman

The GB != GiB trick :D

Kaz Wolfe

oh, 3 is the absolute peak.

Zacharee1

tsk tsk tsk

Kaz Wolfe

It's typically around 1 Mbps

on a good day

Zacharee1

for you?

Nathan Osman

6:16 PM

But my cell phone can get up to 15 Mbps down and 4-5 Mbps up.

But of course, that one's not constant.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman yay HSPA+

Nathan Osman

Yup.

Zacharee1

just wait till you get LTE

and lose HSPA+ :p

Nathan Osman

And the cap of 5 GB/m goes up...

Zacharee1

you have no options for that?

Nathan Osman

6:17 PM

I could pay something like an extra $10 for another 5 GB.

After exceeding the cap, they slow it to 128 Kbps or something.

Zacharee1

that's pretty cheap o_O

Nathan Osman

Really?

Zacharee1

Verizon charges $15/GB

Nathan Osman

Oh my.

Kaz Wolfe

Yeah.

Zacharee1

6:18 PM

yeah

Nathan Osman

What about T-mobile?

Kaz Wolfe

Did I mention that their home internet cap was 10 GB?

Zacharee1

you may not have LTE, but you have good pricing

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe OOOOOO_OOOOOO

Kaz Wolfe

T-Mo is unlimited entirely, but you get a set amount of LTE before throttling.

Nathan Osman

6:19 PM

@KazWolfe Sounds like what I have.

Except for the "LTE" part.

Kaz Wolfe

30 MB/s (yes MB), cap of 10 GB/mo... $95/mo

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman T-Mobile is $15 extra per plan jump 2GB included, 6GB $15, 10GB $30, UNLT $45

Nathan Osman

Heh.

Zacharee1

but like @KazWolfe said, you have unlimited 3G/2G

and a monthly allowance of LTE

Nathan Osman

That would be nice.

Kaz Wolfe

6:20 PM

And T-Mo's data is pretty generous.

Zacharee1

and if you get the 6GB/mo plan, you get Binge On

Kaz Wolfe

They don't count Pandora/spotify against it

Nathan Osman

Mine is more like "a monthly allowance of HSPA+ and then dial-up" :P

Zacharee1

so free Netflix, YT, and other videos at 480p with no count against LTE

Kaz Wolfe

Or YouTube, Netflix, and most other heavy services

Nathan Osman

6:20 PM

But no torrents :D

Zacharee1

it violates net neutrality, but in a good way :p

Kaz Wolfe

plus i think t-mo unlimited comes with 18 GB tethering

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman well I don't think they throttle those, but they don't give them free

@KazWolfe up to

or do you mean phone tether?

Kaz Wolfe

No, I'm paying base unlimited and I get 18GB.

Nathan Osman

That's one nice thing about my plan. They don't even have a concept of tethering. They give you data and say "we don't care what or how you use it". Tethering doesn't matter at all.

Zacharee1

6:21 PM

because data lines have 18GB as a max

@NathanOsman carriers here are weird

Kaz Wolfe

Nor does t-mo actually. I've done 25GB tethering and they didn't care.

Zacharee1

thankfully, we Android users can easily hide the fact that we are tethering :p

Nathan Osman

Exactly.

Kaz Wolfe

iOS actually can too, shockingly.

Nathan Osman

It encourages dishonesty.

Zacharee1

6:22 PM

@KazWolfe but aren't you deprioritized if you go over?

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe O_o

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe yeah, but it costs $20

Kaz Wolfe

T-Mo android Stock is the only thing that actually checks

@Zacharee1 no, it's free.

Zacharee1

yeah, but they can always tell if you're tethering on iOS

@KazWolfe What are you using to hide your tethering?

Kaz Wolfe

You're only deprioritized if you're in the top 3% of uses, I think.

@Zacharee1 Stock iOS tether... They see it, but they don't care at all.

Zacharee1

6:23 PM

@KazWolfe oh, T-Mobile? yeah

but VZ and ATT will literally send some assassins your way

and not the assassin Seth is

Kaz Wolfe

God help you if you have auto-pay on

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Know my windows 8 product key by Ayesha Babar on askubuntu.com …

Zacharee1

huehuehue

that's the assassin

your price is so high you have a stroke or heart attack and die

Kaz Wolfe

Donald J Trump on ATT: "WHERE THE HELL DID MY BILLIONS GO?"

Nathan Osman

"Oops, forgot to turn off roaming."

Kaz Wolfe

6:26 PM

verizon has great coverage but they are so expensive.

Nathan Osman

My brother pays $2 per MB of data on his pay-per-use plan.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman T-Mobile is the answer

@KazWolfe so does T-Mobile now, and it's cheap

Mateo

I never turn on roaming

Zacharee1

@Mateo I never roam

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 In Canada?

I at least have decent roaming rates.

Zacharee1

6:27 PM

@NathanOsman a lot of Canada is covered. You happen to be in the one southern deadzone

They partner with someone

Nathan Osman

And if I paid an extra $10/m I could get free roaming in the US.

(I think it was $10.)

@Zacharee1 Probably Wind (my company).

Zacharee1

that's so cheap

@NathanOsman no, it has LTE

Nathan Osman

But they limit you to 1 GB at full speed.

@Zacharee1 Hmm... then it could be... Rogers, maybe?

Zacharee1

maybe

it might be Bell or some ATT ex-subsidiary

Nathan Osman

Bell has fairly widespread LTE coverage here.

I'm guessing Telus has the largest overall coverage.

They are in a lot of remote regions.

Mateo

6:30 PM

@Zacharee1 ubuntu phone ;)

Nathan Osman

There are really only three big companies here - you'll hear other names but they are all cleverly disguised subsidiaries of The Big Three.

Zacharee1

lol

like how Sprint has all the US MVNOs?

an article says Canada's top two carriers

and MX's top two, but we don't care about that right now

so it's probably Rogers and Telus

Mateo

@NathanOsman 10 dollars isn't free...

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Yeah, that sounds about right.

Seth

When I was in the islands a few people I was with roamed on Bell and Telus a few times.

Mateo

6:34 PM

or do you mean geographically unrestricted?

Zacharee1

@Mateo it's freer than normal roaming

@Seth were they T-Mobile people?

Nathan Osman

I wonder if I roamed in the US if I would get LTE speeds...

Seth

@Zacharee1 The T-mobile person roamed on Bell, and I think it was a Verizon phone that roamed on Telus.

Zacharee1

@Seth how long ago was this?

Nathan Osman

Telus and Verizon both used to operate CDMA networks.

Seth

6:35 PM

@Zacharee1 2 weeks?

Zacharee1

huh

Nathan Osman

I think they may have had some sort of agreement.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman probably

they both still use CDMA, just not for LTE

Nathan Osman

Oh? I never pay attention to CDMA anymore.

Zacharee1

but apparently they'll be fully GSM by........

2019

Nathan Osman

6:36 PM

2059.

Zacharee1

lol

Nathan Osman

Telus was supposed to be GSM-only... about five years ago?

Zacharee1

maybe they're so expensive because they use a technology that isn't very good :p

@NathanOsman well it's possible, since it sounds like TMO is partnered

Nathan Osman

Do you know what the company profits look like?

Zacharee1

Verizon?

Nathan Osman

6:37 PM

:P

Zacharee1

idk what you're talking about

Nathan Osman

Have we just spent the last half hour complaining about our cellphone bill? :D

Zacharee1

yes

but I probably won't have to soon

TMOBILE HERE I COME

that means I also get reception in the EU

Nathan Osman

I could get a satellite phone for about $500.

Then I would get reception in most of the planet.

Zacharee1

o_O

and $10000 in bills no matter where you go

Seth

6:40 PM

@NathanOsman LTE is a GSM technology.

Nathan Osman

I know.

Seth

I figured you must know :D

Zacharee1

he didn't know VZ still used CDMA for most of its stuff

Seth

@Zacharee1 Oh. Right.

Zacharee1

Calvin = Donald Trump confirmed

Nathan Osman

6:43 PM

roadpost.ca/…

Seth

mashable.com/2015/12/10/donald-trump-calvin-hobbes/…

Nathan Osman

$1,195.

And then $40 per month.

You get 10 free minutes per month. Nice.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman cheap! lol

Nathan Osman

But how cool is it to hike up a mountain in Nepal and say, "yo, I haz reception"?

Zacharee1

heh

With T-Mobile I might

Nathan Osman

6:45 PM

"Hi mom, I'm calling you from my boat in the southern pacific."

Zacharee1

:p

Nathan Osman

"Giant 30 ft. shark said to say 'hi'."

edwinksl

famous last words

Nathan Osman

2

Zacharee1

lol

that looks like and ad for ATT/Samsung

Zacharee1

7:47 PM

The Axon 7 US version has CDMA compatibility

Rinzwind

7:59 PM

yay 200 rep

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