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edwinksl

8:00 AM

that directory tree is full of sins

Zanna

sadly it's all empty... yummy has some text in it, but it says 'hungry?'

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Q: How to Study Effect of zram on Memory Size and Paging?

Situation: to study the effect of zram on memory's size and its speed Motivation: I experience no effect on the memory's size but increased amount of errors from systemd/... with runit i.e. possible stability issues with the compression Code # http://askubuntu.com/a/800645/25388 modprobe zram ec...

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

my drive is full man

Serg

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD get a larger one

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

XD

Serg

8:07 AM

welp, since I'm bored , i guess I'll go call my Grandma

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

paste.ubuntu.com/20571644

^ if anyone is intrested about my drive

edwinksl

UbuntuLELELELEL is a good name

i see you also cloned serg's lks-indicator

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

yep

well good night

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Serg

8:35 AM

NSA seems to be doing sloppy job

Just now I was talking to my Grandmother, something glitched, and basically played back last 1 minute of all that she was saying

edwinksl

glitch in matrix perhaps?

Serg

Who knows

@BharadwajRaju good job on the --ignore-keys option. However, I wanted to make it take multiple keys like SN or CN . It's OK though . I already merged pull request, probably that's enough for now .

@ByteCommander BharadwajRaju added ignore-keys option to lks-indicator. Feel free to test it

Bharadwaj Raju

@Serg Thanks :) Also, multiple keys can be done like this --ignore-keys S N

Serg

@BharadwajRaju ah, i see. very well !!! I think this is a good point for tagging it as 1.0 release, you think ?

Bharadwaj Raju

@Serg Good point for 1.0, yes

@Serg Oh, and update README with new options before tagging

Serg

8:51 AM

@BharadwajRaju will do !

@Pilot6 @DavidFoerster Can we please reopen this one : askubuntu.com/q/801641/295286

And for crying out loud, can somebody please start asking native speakers to translate posts instead of bluntly close voting a legitimate, on-topic question ?

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Zanna

I really strongly agree with that

Serg

We have plenty of those here and across the network. People run to VTC, but can't rush to ask someone to translate. Seriously ?

Bharadwaj Raju

There was a Google Docs list of native speakers maintained by someone... Where is it?

Serg

@Seth ^ do we have that ?

@JacobVlijm if that question is the duplicate one, how about merging the two questions ? Since it has accepted answer might be not possible, but you could always ask @terdon or Seth to look into it

terdon, That's the question I am talking about by the way askubuntu.com/q/153597/295286

edwinksl

9:09 AM

@Serg here docs.google.com/document/d/…

i am pretty sure some mod(s) said we should flag non-english posts as unclear

Bharadwaj Raju

@Serg ^ It's publicly-editable, add your name

CodeX

I can see you typing

Serg

Done, added

@ByteCommander do you wanna be on the translator list ?

edwinksl

tbh i am not sure what the best way to deal with non-english posts is

i would prefer a flag just for that

and put all these posts into a queue for people to translate

Bharadwaj Raju

@edwinksl ... that would somehow integrate with the list and send messages to fluent people

Serg

9:12 AM

Well , the problem is that English is "de facto" language of Stack Overflow. But personally I think this is BS . . .

edwinksl

that might require some manual tagging though

i think for AU we can be more lax with the whole english thing

Serg

Some time ago people would rush in to close-vote questions that are tagged with EOL releases. Which is even mods disagree with : legitimate question , not related to version issue, so let's keep it open. And the posts related to Mint and stuff. It's very inconsistent - oh , first we want to close everything, then other say ,no let's keep them open, because they're applicable. Like, freakin decide already !

edwinksl

since we definitely have users who speak all sorts of languages

CodeX

how do people not know basic english when most websites and OS setup ..bios settings are all in english .. at least initially

Bharadwaj Raju

Maybe we can make a bot (like SmokeDetector, but for languages and it auto-pings people fluent in detected language)

Serg

9:15 AM

Also , let me remind you folks that there is Ubuntu Kylin , which is Chinese distro and you can expect Chinese users to post here. And not all of them speak fluent Ingles !

Bharadwaj Raju

@CodeX Some people just prefer to use their native language

Pilot6

@Serg I voted to re-open. I did not translate it because I did not quite understand the post.

Serg

@Pilot6 very well, thank you !

CodeX

@BharadwajRaju I see

Serg

I suspect she doesn't have a compiz plugin enabled. Should be easy fix with CCSM

edwinksl

9:16 AM

we might be able to guess language from user's user agent but i don't think it is perfect

Bharadwaj Raju

For example I can speak fluent English, but prefer my native languages (Hindi and Telugu) in daily life

CodeX

@BharadwajRaju lets start chatting in hindi then .. kya haal hay

xD

edwinksl

@Serg you might want to make a meta post if there isn't already one. i would like to hear what others have to say

Bharadwaj Raju

@CodeX OMG You know Hindi

Pilot6

@Serg In general we are not supposed to translate questions from any language. OP can do some effort and at least try Google Translate.

Serg

9:17 AM

OK , I'm onto it then

CodeX

@BharadwajRaju haan hindi or basic marathi

Serg

@Pilot6 then why do we put effort into editing out Linux Mint and EOL releases that are deemed worthy ? Also , even if person tries to use google translate, it messes up everything. Just look at that question we just talked about. It still got closed

Bharadwaj Raju

@Pilot6 But they may not know the English rule, so maybe a "please translate" before closing

edwinksl

and i think we should also remember we don't necessarily have to follow what SO does

Bharadwaj Raju

I would say our end-goal is to help Ubuntu users. Surely we can do a bit of translation for them?

CodeX

9:21 AM

I dont see ask in english here askubuntu.com/questions/ask

edwinksl

i think the idea is "well the whole damn place is in english, so it makes sense to ask in english"

i don't agree with it, but i think that is how it is justified

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

?!?

Bharadwaj Raju

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD Definitely not Linux

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

@BharadwajRaju It's the crash handler for the LG phones

CodeX

Oscar & The Wolf - Strange Entity (Sander W & Fanfar Ft Sakso Remix)

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edwinksl

9:35 AM

it does say linux kernel at the very end

Pilot6

@BharadwajRaju I always write "please translate" before closing.

@Serg We do not HAVE to edit off-topic questions to make them on topic. But there is no problem if someone does it.

CodeX

Bharadwaj Raju

But the style "has been occured", "DemiGod", "send email to and-linux@lge.com" "want reboot" "/data/dontpanic" seem very un-Linux-like

Serg

@Pilot6 we do not have to , but in general even mods agree that sometimes a perfectly legitimate question can stay on AU and closing just because it is tagged mint or whatever makes no sense.

I have had this conversation with terdon, Seth, jokerdino . If you want , ask them

CodeX

its a waste of time to translate just because people prefer it ..or feel lazy to translate it in english themselves .. unless they really don't know basic english "in my view"

Serg

9:42 AM

@CodeX we can say it's waste of time for a lot of things people do. End goal is to assist people, no ?

Pilot6

@Serg In most cases it is very hard to tell if a problem is specific to e.g. Mint or not. We are not supporting Mint and do not welcome question about it. Otherwise we'll be flood with questions about other distros. U & L is for that kind of questions.

I agree with @CodeX If OP does not know English at all, it makes no sense. They won't be able to understand answers or comments. There are other language forums for those people.

CodeX

@Serg yeah assisting in what they "can't" do .. but what they can .. they should : )

Serg

@Pilot6 True sometimes it's hard to tell. Such things as package management ( apt and dpkg ) however can stay here. They're not specific to Ubuntu alone. Bash related questions could stay

Pilot6

@Serg An the question you asked to re-open should now be closed as "can't reproduce", should not it?

Serg

@Pilot6 I can reproduce it if I disable compiz plugin for Desktop Wall

@Pilot6 by the same logic , i could say "Well this wireless question makes no sense to me and I cannot reproduce it" . Should it be closed ? No ! I'd ask you or chilli555

Pilot6

9:48 AM

@Serg Package management problems with Mint may be ralated to Mint repositories. Pure bash related questions are also off topic. I am against making the scope of bash related on topic questions. Mint users can get wupport on Mint forums or U&L.

Serg

@Pilot6 pure bash questions are not off topic , because it's essential part of Ubuntu administration. I can bring you meta post if you want about that

Pilot6

Solutions for may not work for Mint, because of different package versions, etc. We are not supposd to know which e.g. Mint or Elementary version corresponds which Ubuntu one.

edwinksl

@Pilot6 pure bash programming is on-topic

Pilot6

@Serg I read meta posts. It depends on what kind of bash question it is. In most cases it is on topic, but not always IMO.

My opinion is to close all EoL and other distro questions. That stimulates the users to install supported versions, or tells them to find support for other distros elsewhere.

Serg

@Pilot6 and what if question is not related to EoL version in any way ?

Pilot6

9:53 AM

If a Mint user wants to get support here, he|she should write a question in way it is on topic here.

Serg

It stimulates them to be doing more work than necessary

Pilot6

Some work is always nesessary.

Serg

@Pilot6 which is basically editing out mint tags and not saying "Oh, I'm using mint"

Some work is always necessary but within reason. There is no reason to reinstall OS , when something can be fixed with a few clicks

Pilot6

In some cases it is correct. But if all of a sudden it appears to be Mint specific, the question will be closed.

The goal of this site not to fix each and every problem, but provide solutions useful for users of supported Ubuntu versions.

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Q: How to Change the Priority of Swap file?

Situation: change sda3's priority to 99 Characteristics Command cat /proc/swaps Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/sda3 partition 8326140 54452 -1 /dev/zram0 partition 4194300 563480 100 Code sudo swapon -p 99 /dev/sda3 but outp...

ubuntu swap

Serg

9:56 AM

@Pilot6 and what happens if the issue persists after upgrading ? where's the point of that then ?

Pilot6

If the issue persists, then it makes sense to find a solution. You never know before you try.

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Serg

Like I said, issues not related to Ubuntu releases often can be fixed with a few clicks. It doesn't harm anyone to keep a question open . In fact , we have over 80 EOL open questions. Why nobody is bothering go like "Welp , they're EOL , let's close all that" ?

And yes, you never know before you try to fix something. Not bluntly tell people " I won't help you because your thing is old " . Especially if it was not old just a few weeks ago

grooveplex

hi

Serg

OK, meta post done

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10:08 AM

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Q: Please ask people to translate, don't just close a question

TL;DR : there's people who can translate foreign posts , ask them ; don't just close vote all the things Dear AskUbuntu community , Although de-facto language of stackexchange network is English, please take a moment to reflect on this topic: Ubuntu has users from around the world, and not all ...

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grooveplex

+1

edwinksl

i should mention that the gdocs originated from @grooveplex

grooveplex

@JacobVlijm and I will gladly translate your English posts to Dutch :)

(I figured it wouldn't be appropriate to post that as a comment)

Serg

@Pilot6 in any case, thank you for understanding

I should be getting to bed. It's 4:14 again

Zanna

@grooveplex er sorry to be a pain, but I am spending a lot of time 'improving' your suggested edits... could you please try to look a bit more carefully? sudo rm r- was a mistake left in a post you edited and your other edits there are quite minor - you missed the only critical one!

grooveplex

10:21 AM

I'm sorry for all the problems I cause :(

But thanks for bringing it up, I'll be more careful @Zanna

Zanna

@grooveplex you're not causing any problem, you are being helpful!

grooveplex

I think today isn't my best day

Zanna

maybe I'm just being extra grumpy

grooveplex

No, you're not

You're absolutely right

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Serg

10:28 AM

@Zanna just made a friendly suggestion, nothing more , and not being grumpy @grooveplex

We all need to be corrected time to time

:) <3

That was fast

How..?

Let me guess, journeyman geek ? was it you ?

Zanna

spoiled the fun hahaha I was too slow

Serg

10:31 AM

ok smoke then bed

grooveplex

I think that some people think installing Kali Linux makes them a cracker/pentester/security expert/whistleblower just by the act of installing it.

Serg

yeah, there are some of those

grooveplex

They forget that being a good security expert takes years of, eh, expertise and don't know that Kali Linux is a highly complex operating system with many advanced tools.

But all the YouTube "twitter hack free download 2013 no survey" people use it

Serg

Well, at least all the professional hackers that i see on DefCon are using Macs or Ubuntu. I don't recall seeing that any with Kali.

welp, it was a good night of work. Lots of stuff done. Although could be done more

Just a friendly reminder that y'all are awesome and you are all gorgeous in your own ways !!! good night