Ask Ubuntu General Room

Journeyman Geek

1:00 AM

I have a 5? year old mechanical keyboard

Zacharee1

Pretty cool idea, definitely not worth $70

Journeyman Geek

I half suspect I'll eventually upgrade and hand it down to my nephew ;p

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek Are those the ones that are really loud, but satisfying?

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 All good things in life are.

Yeah, cherry blues.

So they click, and after a few years you learn to type on em

and they're seriously silky smooth

hbdgaf

I'ld take this over a one button over-fancy mouse any day that's a joke

Terrance

1:02 AM

I love being able to feel my mouse buttons

Zacharee1

@hbdgaf that looks.. comfortable..

hbdgaf

It looks like you could differentiate buttons without touching them to me. I don't want that many buttons, but I would rather have a few extra than none at all and have to use gestures.

Thomas W.

@JourneymanGeek nah you're good

Terrance

@hbdgaf That is a close replica of the Cyborg mouse. Pretty cool! :D

Thomas W.

though if you happen to be on keybase and want to track me let me know, i have one now :)

Journeyman Geek

1:03 AM

roccat.org/en-SG/Products/Gaming-Mice/Kone-XTD-Series/Kone-XTD this is my perfect mouse, outside the damned thing constantly failing

Terrance

Oh come on, the Apple Hockey Puck mouse was the Best!! :P

Zacharee1

cute

Terrance

I hated that thing! I could never feel the way it is supposed to be positioned.

hbdgaf

@JourneymanGeek I saw a neat one that was a palm rest with a numpad, scroller, and a few buttons. you didn't move the mouse though. Your wrist operated the top tip of a joystick sort of actuator. Thought it was neat.

Journeyman Geek

Oh

Zacharee1

1:05 AM

@hbdgaf how about those mice you use with your thumb?

The thumball thingy

Journeyman Geek

The nostromo/orbweaver class device?

hbdgaf

@Zacharee1 Max liked them. They were never my thing.

Max...

Just a guy.

ok den

1:07 AM

we talking about mice?

Zacharee1

and Max

Whaaaaaat

my mouse fries my usb ports! :D

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat Only the best for you I see

Whaaaaaat

(bloody Razer keeps surging stuff)

hbdgaf

@Whaaaaaat Then stop spilling drinks on it...

Zacharee1

1:08 AM

wat

Seth

test

hmm

Zacharee1

@Seth tset

Whaaaaaat

I plug in my Razer mouse, and I get a nice warning saying that there's an overcurrent.

Seth

seems like it might be working again?

hbdgaf

@Seth what's with the couple of test posts?

Zacharee1

1:08 AM

@Seth what

Whaaaaaat

Happens in all OSes and across multiple computers.

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat short maybe?

Seth

@hbdgaf uploads dropped to 170kbps, couldn't get a message through, could barely put out an HTTP request.

Zacharee1

lol

Whaaaaaat

@Zacharee1 probably. gonna contact support monday

in other news, i need to advertise my question because I can't SSH: askubuntu.com/questions/732581/gpg-agent-and-ssh-no-keys

hbdgaf

1:09 AM

@Seth you cable or dsl?

Zacharee1

lost me at the title :p

Seth

cable :/

Zacharee1

COMCAST FTW

hbdgaf

tell everyone on the block to stop streaming video...

Zacharee1

I'm on it now, because Newtown is in a monopoly

Whaaaaaat

1:10 AM

@Mateo So, we need to change our SSID to prevent W10 from sharing everything? That. Is. STUPID.

hbdgaf

afaik, if you don't enable cortana, she doesn't give away all your secrets

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat Well, the option is off by default, but I agree it's a huge security issue.

It's the reason for guest WiFi :p

Whaaaaaat

^ That.

Zacharee1

@hbdgaf nope

Whaaaaaat

Guest free open wifi ftw

Mateo

1:11 AM

yeah, you can opt-out local - but then anyone else that connects, you need to opt-out on a ssid level

Seth

downloads are working just fine.

Whaaaaaat

that is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard

Seth

@hbdgaf streaming video should nuke my upload speeds.

Whaaaaaat

I'm fine with opt-out, if we don't need to change our SSID to use it.

Zacharee1

You do though

sort of

hbdgaf

1:12 AM

@Seth i think you meant to say download or upload+sarcasm. it can though. if they drop upstream traffic to service more downstream traffic... or if there are lots of keepalives and you're group throttled.

Whaaaaaat

Just have a form: "Ignore this BSSID:"

Mateo

otherwise friends of friend will get access

hbdgaf

tbh, my win10 box is a gaming appliance. i don't connect it to anything except steam -- and i don't invite people over to use my wifi. they get a physical cable or nothing at all.

Whaaaaaat

Eh. 100KB/s guest wifi networks are awesome.

@Daniel If you like Apple, I'll strike you down with truly open platforms.

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat don't forget adequate specs at affordable prices :p

Whaaaaaat

1:16 AM

Yeah. I don't know how my $1000 laptop from 2012 beats the specs of a $3000 MacBook Pro

Zacharee1

Easy -- 1500% markup :p

Whaaaaaat

and i can run OSX on it! Best of both worlds!

I get the freedom of Ubuntu, the compatibility of Windows, and the lack of games from OSX

Mateo

@Zacharee1 "That last feature is the potentially controversial one. WiFi Sense is enabled by default in Build 10240 of Windows 10; " > extremetech.com/extreme/…

Zacharee1

Oh lovely

Mateo

cnet.com/how-to/…

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

1:19 AM

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Q: Fix grub on UEFI system

Alright so I was installing Ubuntu Studio on an Asus F555L type laptop. At the end of the installation it said "grub failed to install". I tried again and it did it again. So, I then grabbed a boot recovery iso that a friend recommended to me (can post link to that upon request) and attempted to ...

hbdgaf

@Zacharee1 adequate specs and affordable prices youtube.com/watch?v=pG6rxnaJdWY&t=12s

Mateo

so, yes - on by default is the general consensus

Whaaaaaat

having to change your ssid is still stupid

Mateo

well, I don't change mine down here, no win allowed ;P

hbdgaf

thank god their phones aren't popular... i could see giving a friend wifi access on their phone, but not a laptop

Zacharee1

1:22 AM

So, if you take a Mac Pro and configure it to its highest settings, you'll have to pay $9,599

Journeyman Geek

heh

Seth

Zacharee1

If you take the equivalent specs and add their prices up, you get $6,449.96

Seth

looks like my uploads are back. I'm paying for more than 11 download but meh. It's cable.

hbdgaf

@Seth traffic shaping

Whaaaaaat

1:22 AM

or if you do some shopping around, you can probably beat that for $3000?

Zacharee1

That isn't including a motherboard, but I doubt that would cost $3000

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 I think that chap's idea was to wind folk up ;p

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat probably. These were literally the first results

Whaaaaaat

though a crossfire on a mac mini? roflcopter inbound

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat why

AMD FirePro W9000 is the non-proprietary equivalent of the D700 BTW

Whaaaaaat

1:24 AM

there are three things wrong with that:
- Crossfire is open, so Apple would hate it
- That seems completely unnecessary for a computer double the size of my wallet
- Didn't Apple have a deal with NVIDIA?

Journeyman Geek

naw

apple does AMD on the pros

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat not anymore I guess

They do AMD on the Pros because its features look good, while actually slightly inferior

Also, they're cheaper, so they can have even more of a markup

Whaaaaaat

look good != are good.

apple's entire business model is looks good = is good

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat the whole policy at Apple is to make stuff look good, not work well

YEP

SAME THOUGHTS

WE'RE MAGIC :P

Whaaaaaat

or we have brains

Zacharee1

1:26 AM

nah, that can't be it

Seth

I'm just glad we don't have any real trolls around.

This'd be going on all day.

Whaaaaaat

haw haw

Zacharee1

"nah" "Nah" "NAH" -- I sound Australian

Whaaaaaat

Zacharee1

@Seth It is going on all day

Whaaaaaat

1:27 AM

why did that not expand out

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat you need direct replies for that

Whaaaaaat

thankyou

Zacharee1

tada

hbdgaf

-.- Seriously though, not all their stuff is horrible. Linus likes their displays FE. generally though - just a simple no.

Whaaaaaat

Their displays are nice, I agree. So are their mice and keyboards.

Zacharee1

1:28 AM

@hbdgaf Actually, the displays aren't even good anymore

Whaaaaaat

But there are a lot better versions.

Seth

Well. Someone named "Liberals are Dumb" followed me on twitter. Apparently they have a YT show with a liberal?

Whaaaaaat

I can get G-Sync, etc, etc, etc.

Zacharee1

They used to be good, but apparently the new ones make colors brighter, which pretty much ruins photo and video editing, which was Apple's only real professional market anyway

tsk tsk

@Seth Follow back with a "U r dum" account :p

Whaaaaaat

that and hipsters

Zacharee1

1:29 AM

@Whaaaaaat Professional hipster, eh? Where can I sign up?

Mateo

The Tek 0193: G-Sync is Dead

►

Whaaaaaat

"oh, i'm so edgy and hip because i have a computer that costs more than my car and that you see with literally every other hipster and grandmother"

Zacharee1

yep

The hipster mentality is a lot like those against equal rights (in the US of course)

I will leave it at that unless you all agree :p

Whaaaaaat

against equal rights meaning no equal rights, or an inversion of how rights currently are?

hbdgaf

ugh. just ugh...

Zacharee1

1:31 AM

@Whaaaaaat Like gay marriage, choice for abortion, racial issues, that stuff

Apparently, the US will be stricken by the wrath of God, just like Canada was 11 years ago ◔_◔

Whaaaaaat

well there are people who think people should be actually equal, and there are also people who think that the oppressed should become more equal than others

Zacharee1

I don't like the mentality that people should rise above others for a while to gain "true equality," because that would probably end up being the same situation in reverse

Whaaaaaat

tell that to tumblr and watch what happens.

you'll be eaten alive.

/afk

Zacharee1

That's why I don't use Tumblr

kfa\

not really

Seth

@Zacharee1 not probably, would.

History.

hbdgaf

1:34 AM

@Whaaaaaat Here's that whole horrifying discussion popehat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/White-Pride--480x480.jpg

Zacharee1

Don't want to sound too assertive. Gotta be tentative sometimes :P @Seth

OT, use the premade "Other" reason: askubuntu.com/questions/732642/…

Look at this edit:

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/525020

The before part

@NathanOsman Hello Mr. QMS

/unafk

Hi.

kfanu\

200 ELHO

1:42 AM

taw

Nathan Osman

Where can I buy time? I'd like to order 280 hours, please.

@Whaaaaaat I see what you did there...

Whaaaaaat

I'm sorry, you can only buy negative time

Zacharee1

lol

@NathanOsman @Whaaaaaat did he do there?

Nathan Osman

SMTP preamble.

Zacharee1

er

Whaaaaaat

1:43 AM

it's actually EHLO i think.

Can't be perfect :D

Nathan Osman

Hectane

@hectane

Lightweight SMTP client written in Go.

12 tweets, 1 followers, following 1 users

Whaaaaaat

reported for advertising :P

Nathan Osman

If you look at the page, you'll see a sample SMTP exchange.

@Whaaaaaat uh... I get to respond to flags, so...

Whaaaaaat

@NathanOsman even flags against you? wat.

Nathan Osman

I'm not sure on that one.

Never had my stuff flagged before :D

Whaaaaaat

1:46 AM

i would offer to test, but raising false flags is bad, right?

also, why is this tagged .desktop? askubuntu.com/questions/732642/…

hey, anyone know why thunderbird is so ugly?

Seth

@Whaaaaaat yes

@Whaaaaaat I like it

Whaaaaaat

@Seth No, it's a good webmail thing, but it looks like it has the original gnome icons

which looks, well, horrible.

Nathan Osman

I'm sure it uses the system icon theme.

Whaaaaaat

it's not, though.

My system is on Ambiance, and it looks non-ambiancey

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat Because they have no idea what they're talking about, and it doesn't seem like they even know what their assignment was

Whaaaaaat

1:54 AM

Zacharee1

Those look like Ambiance

It has some weird icons in it that you don't always see

Whaaaaaat

looks different to me

eh, oh well.

it still works fine

Nathan Osman

Some of those look like the Tango theme.

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat your pixelation isn't working very well :p

Whaaaaaat

@Zacharee1 that's from the ubuntu store

Zacharee1

1:58 AM

OK, then their pixelation isn't working very well :p

You can clearly see messages from ESL Newsletter in German

Does everything use GNOME except for Ubuntu?

Journeyman Geek

vaguely

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek fine

Seth

GNOME is.. big. So it depends on what you mean by gnome.

Zacharee1

The GNOME 3 GUI

Oh, Mepis uses KDE

mepis.org

That was the first Linux distro I ever used

hbdgaf

@Seth I'ld just say yes. Even Ubuntu uses it sort of... Unity is built on Gnome, but uses Qt for a lot of moving parts... but depends on Gtk for widgets and whatnot. So...

Seth

2:02 AM

@Zacharee1 Ah. Pretty much every major distro offers gnome shell.

Zacharee1

It seems a lot by default

Debian, Fedora, I think OpenSUSE

Seth

well it did used to be the defacto default.

Back when it was gnome 2.

Zacharee1

true

Seth

KDE is too heavy to ship default.. so that leaves something home baked or maybe xfce.

although with MATE now..

Zacharee1

KDE comes with MEPIS, like I said

hbdgaf

2:05 AM

gtk/gnome had the rep for standard, solid, unmoving, default, etc. then the gtk2 to gtk3 thing happened.

Whaaaaaat

so how do i make it look kinda less like Tango/XFCE?

mate is nice, but i miss Compiz with it (even though Compiz is basically dead)

Seth

In other news, MATE is pronounced ma-tay.

Zacharee1

@Seth O_O

Whaaaaaat

And SQL is spelled out.

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat ----_----

Whaaaaaat

2:06 AM

It most obviously is.

hbdgaf

arg... may-tee and sequel aren't normal ?!?! >.>

Zacharee1

You mean sequel or S-Q-L?

Whaaaaaat

S-Q-L

Sequel is just pure wrong.

Zacharee1

Really?

Then why does everyone say it that way?

Seth

Don't tell that to the sysadmin professor at my local college :P

I say sequel too FWIW.

Zacharee1

2:07 AM

i/ˈɛs kjuː ˈɛl/, or i/ˈsiːkwəl/

Whaaaaaat

Because people are weird.

Terrance

That's how I say it

Zacharee1

Looks like it's pronounced out

or spelled

Whaaaaaat

every time someone calls it "sequel," I begin calling it squell

Zacharee1

Either is official

> So it was intended to be pronounced as SEQUEL at first

24

Q: How is SQL pronounced?

When I was learning SQL, I remember reading that it should be pronounced just like the word sequel; however, I worked with a bunch of techs who seemed to prefer S-Q-L. Is there a proper convention for this?

pronunciation programming

Whaaaaaat

2:08 AM

But then it became S-Q-L and stayed there

hbdgaf

i suppose that's another reason to like postgres. you get to leave out the sql bit and just call it postgres

Whaaaaaat

"postgresequel"

Zacharee1

> So it was intended to be pronounced as SEQUEL at first. Nowadays it's a matter of preference. There is no standard set for it (yet).

Whaaaaaat

> In the SQL standard, the American National Standards Institute says that the official pronunciation is "es queue el." Anything else is considered non-standard; common, yes, but still slang.

Seth

@hbdgaf lol very true xD

Zacharee1

2:10 AM

@Whaaaaaat So it "gwee" for GUI

Whaaaaaat

i call it "gooey"

Seth

that ^

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat I was trying to be precise, but fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine :p

Seth

nerds -.- sitting here arguing about pronunciation lol.

well, discussing I guess.

Zacharee1

:) :)

Whaaaaaat

2:11 AM

no, it's an argument,

Seth

@Zacharee1 I'd rather you be trusty.

ok, I'll leave now :P

Whaaaaaat

S-Q-L OR RIOT

hbdgaf

DErived aRguments to Perpetuate Yelling at the Screen. DERPS

2

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat No it's not!

:P

Whaaaaaat

@Zacharee1 Yes it is!

Zacharee1

2:11 AM

@Seth I'll see you out

@Whaaaaaat Nuh uh!

Whaaaaaat

@Zacharee1 Yuh huh!

Someone should rename themselves "Beth: Seth's Mom"

Zacharee1

lol

@Whaaaaaat OK, I'm done with this I think ;p

So in my robotics class we're learning how to use multimeters

YAY!

Stuff I've already known since I was 7!

Woohoo!

Stappit chat speech limit

Whaaaaaat

Oh? I get to screw with the extremely expensive oscilloscope!

Zacharee1

lol

drops

Whaaaaaat

"what happens if i hook this to the building's AC?"

Zacharee1

2:15 AM

BZZZT

:p

Whaaaaaat

Ubuntu is: "You-bun-too"

hbdgaf

Wait this? facebook.com/TheJackSleimanPage/videos/433203790207921

Zacharee1

@Whaaaaaat oo-boon-too

Whaaaaaat

@hbdgaf One of my labmates actually did nuke a battery that way

Zacharee1

@hbdgaf oh that's the guy who made an electric guitar which was just one wire that plugged into an outlet, right?

Whaaaaaat

2:16 AM

6-cell LiPo. Not fun.

Zacharee1

Big BOOM?

hbdgaf

I just like his electrifying personality... rimshot

Zacharee1

Whaaaaaat

@Zacharee1 We actually threw the battery outside the lab window.

Zacharee1

lol

Whaaaaaat

2:18 AM

Just grabbed it and chucked it

didn't explode, somehow.

Zacharee1

nice

Homemade dud bomb?

Because there's only one kernel panic that exists on 15.10: askubuntu.com/questions/732648/…

Whaaaaaat

@hbdgaf sent that to lab group. lols followed

@Zacharee1 And of course the lab supervisor was inside. We are now no longer allowed to touch the batteries without passing a comprehensive test

Zacharee1

lolol

Whaaaaaat

And if you fail once (<85%) you are banned from touching them from the year

Zacharee1

What is this test?

Whaaaaaat

2:27 AM

three pages on battery handling and safety

Zacharee1

So every time you want to use one of the batteries, you have to take this test?

Whaaaaaat

no, just once

Zacharee1

ah

Did you pass?

Whaaaaaat

Yes.

88%

because i apparently needed to know the battery chemistry stuff for some dumb reason

Zacharee1

lol

Whaaaaaat

2:30 AM

but i had a "guaranteed pass" because handling batteries is one of my main jobs

Zacharee1

lol again

Mateo

2:58 AM

working on filters on my scope:

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