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Nathan Osman

8:00 PM

@terdon No, though I always invariably end up mentioning LaTeX when people question why I don't like word processors.

Helio

@NathanOsman @terdon: I hate all these WYSIAYG editors.

Nathan Osman

Well, I take a middle-of-the-road approach. I use Texmaker.

Mateo

I like markdown ;)

Nathan Osman

It splits the screen in half. One half is a text editor and the other is a PDF preview.

Helio

Now I'm a Markdown user and I'm happy. If a certain day I need a relly good editor, I'll use LaTex

Nathan Osman

8:03 PM

@Mateo That works great for content but not page layout.

Helio

@NathanOsman: Good approach

terdon

I was introduced to LaTeX writing my undergraduate dissertation and never looked back. I don't even want to imagine what writing my PhD thesis without LaTeX would have been like.

Nathan Osman

^--- Texmaker

A.B.

LaTeX and nothing else. I'm using TexStudio

Helio

@NathanOsman: Wow! Ugly interface but impressing results.

Nathan Osman

8:08 PM

@Helio It's not all that bad once you get used to it. It is a bit ugly, though, yes.

A.B.

@Helio that's the modern interface, you can change it

Helio

@A.B.: If that'ś the modern interface, I can't imagine the older one.

Fabby

@terdon Do you mind me editing your code and adding a test whether the pattern is empty? (otherwise it will do an rm *)

A.B.

Classic is great :)

terdon

@Fabby AAaaaa! Damn, you're quite right, good catch!

Terrance

8:10 PM

Checking out LaTeX now. Have been using vi for a very long time.

terdon

Let me play with it, I might be able to do something clever with nullglob.

Fabby

@terdon Bowing, nodding; shuffling backwards out of the room... ;-)

Helio

@terdon: I made a blank folder to run this. Didn't try in ~

terdon

@Fabby Hang on, actually it won't. An empty pattern will result in !(*) so that shouldn't delete anything. I have to go but I'll have another look a bit later

Fabby

@terdon :D True!

user139252

8:13 PM

@Fabby Thank you for the comment :)

Fabby

@terdon I changed rm to ls but I'm getting: ls: cannot access !(*): No such file or directory

@HeatherBrown No worries, no need to thank me; I would have done it for anyone!

Proof: I did it even for you! :D >:-)

@HeatherBrown If my sense of humour gets too sarcastic for your taste, feel free to kick me!

;-)

user139252

Because I definitely have the ability to do so =D

A.B.

@Fabby and sarkasm? Never :)

Nathan Osman

I do >:)

A.B.

@NathanOsman kick @Fabby?

Nathan Osman

8:18 PM

Yup, I could.

But I won't.

Fabby

@A.B. Kick me out of the chat, he can!

A.B.

:D

Fabby

Wasn't it @Serg a while ago that actually asked to be kicked out?

A.B.

Bad idea. We are only old farts, @Fabby and me.

Fabby

Hah! 2 older farts then us around now!

A.B.

8:20 PM

And it's not possible to kick an old fart >:)

user139252

What happens when you get kicked?

A.B.

Hmm nothing :P

:)

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Q: Why the old binary is still running?

It is the default version of the imagemagick program convert that comes with ubuntu 14.04 ip-173-31-35-119:~ [prod]$ convert -version Version: ImageMagick 6.7.7-10 2014-03-06 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org Copyright: Copyright (C) 1999-2012 ImageMagick Studio LLC Features: OpenMP In another...

Nathan Osman

@HeatherBrown You can no longer talk in the room for a period of time.

I think... I've never actually done it.

user139252

I would be so sad D=

terdon

8:29 PM

@Fabby Yeah, exactly, so it should be safe at least, if not very elegant.

Fabby

@terdon Well, I've still added it to mine and present a help screen...

A.B.

@HeatherBrown sorry, now I understand o_O

user139252

?

Fabby

@NathanOsman Have yourself kicked by another mod then!

@HeatherBrown Not being able to talk???

(would be sad)

(for you and me both)

Nathan Osman

@Fabby None of them would dare to do that :P

user139252

8:32 PM

I'm on a roll. I answered two questions today.

user139252

Neither have been accepted yet. But I feel as if I did well.

Helio

@Fabby: Good sarcasm (at least for me)

Fabby

@terdon: Hey, @NathanOsman wants to know what it is like to get kicked from the room, but he thinks you wouldn't dare!

(see comment above by Nathan)

Mateo

@Fabby it doesn't work - we tried it back in the day when room owners could still kick

terdon

Yeah, I can't kick-mute a mod.

Damn!

I would have, too!

Fabby

8:33 PM

:D :D :D

Mateo

well, I think there were two mods in the room too...

user139252

Are you still able to read the chat when kicked?

Fabby

And once you're a mod, you're a mod everywhere...

@HeatherBrown yup

Serg confirmed that...

Helio

Could I kick me?

Seems difficult

user139252

@Fabby Even at work?

Fabby

8:36 PM

@terdon Can you kick me? I want to know what it feels like before I become a mod and forget to ask in the future! :)

Nathan Osman

I could kick George and see what happens...

Fabby

@NathanOsman Oh, off course: you've got his logon credentials!

Nathan Osman

I'll log him in and join this room.

Then I'll kick him.

Mateo

penguin abuse

Fabby

(facepalm)

@Mateo :D

George the Dev

8:37 PM

[Insert obnoxious behavior here.]

A.B.

:)

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman Question, if you get kicked do you get automatic cooldown like from a chat flag? Or is it just telling someone to take a minute.

Nathan Osman

In a deep voice: George! that'll be quite enough!

terdon

@Fabby Sure, here you go. See you in 60 seconds >:)

A.B.

@GeorgetheDev what's the time

George the Dev

8:38 PM

@A.B. The current time is Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:38:02 GMT.

Mateo

@GeorgetheDev don't die ;P

Nathan Osman

He died.

A.B.

@GeorgetheDev what's the time

terdon

Ah, shame, I'd kicked Fabby so he missed it.

Nathan Osman

A.B.

8:38 PM

LOL

Nathan Osman

^--- what happens after being kicked

George the Dev

I'm back.

Mateo

@GeorgetheDev I missed you

Nathan Osman

He gets kicked for one minute.

Helio

@GeorgetheDev: Do an infinite loop

Mateo

8:39 PM

@GeorgetheDev My favorite color is blue/green

Nathan Osman

Okay, guys.

hbdgaf

So, 60 seconds it makes chat read only. Okay. I was just wondering. So it is literally telling someone to take a minute.

Nathan Osman

[cough] Sandbox [/cough]

user139252

@GeorgetheDev do a barrel roll.

Nathan Osman

@hbdgaf I'd see what happens the second time except there's a warning that a high number of kicks can trigger some stuff.

Mateo

8:40 PM

haha, that one should make him leave the room and rejoin

Fabby

You can still refresh the transcript...

Helio

@NathanOsman: What engine uses George?

Fabby

So, no @terdon, I didn't miss it!

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman It would make sense if it were an escalating time period.

terdon

@Fabby Ah, good. And welcome back :)

Helio

8:41 PM

@GeorgetheDev: what engine do you use?

Nathan Osman

@Helio github.com/nathan-osman/george-the-dev-bot

Helio

@NathanOsman: Thanks!

user139252

I have $16 in Google Play credit from Opinion Rewards. What should I spend it on?

Fabby

@HeatherBrown How much interest does it give you?

Nathan Osman

@HeatherBrown AirAudio.

user139252

8:43 PM

@Fabby 0.0% APY.

Nathan Osman

It lets you stream the raw audio output from your phone to an AirPlay/UPnP/etc. device.

It only requires a rooted phone.

Helio

@GeorgetheDev: What is love?

user139252

So.... What my new Chromecast Audio does?

Nathan Osman

@Helio Ask in the Sandbox.

He has an interesting answer.

Fabby

@hbdgaf It's more then that: you get a warning that you've been kicked.

Helio

8:44 PM

@NathanOsman: I seen on github. What sandbox?

Fabby

with links to how to being nice and all

Nathan Osman

@HeatherBrown Does Chromecast stream any audio from the device or just from Chromecast-enabled apps?

@Fabby Interestingly, I didn't see one for George.

user139252

@NathanOsman Dunno. All I really use is Google Play Music and Youtube because I got the music pass

Nathan Osman

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...

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terdon

@Fabby Were you told by whom? I assume not.

Fabby

8:45 PM

@terdon Nope...

just that I was kicked from the room.

Helio

@NathanOsman: Thanks! I didn't knew it!

Nathan Osman

@HeatherBrown Ah. I used AirAudio to stream from Google Music over WiFi to Kodi running on my Raspberry Pi.

Without Bluetooth, there's no other way to get Google Music to stream to the Pi.

Fabby

@terdon If you kick me again, I'll take a print screen...

user139252

I have my Chromecast Audio hooked up to my Bose system :D

Nathan Osman

So not much benefit in your case.

Fabby

8:46 PM

@HeatherBrown Spend it all!

user139252

D=. If you guys have any paid apps on the store, I can buy all of them :p

Nathan Osman

The only other paid apps I have are BusyBox and Tasker.

terdon

@Fabby Let's not, too many kicks and you get a black mark. I'll just wait until the next time I can't stand you any more :P

Helio

@terdon: kick me, i'll take screenshot. I'm less needed here than fabby

Fabby

@terdon :D

Nathan Osman

8:47 PM

@HeatherBrown I used to but had to pull it when they required that my address be public.

Fabby

@Helio :D :D :D

user139252

@NathanOsman That's lame.

Nathan Osman

Yeah, I know :(

Fabby

BRB: smoke!

Nathan Osman

One of these days I'll get a P.O. box and not need to worry about that.

user139252

8:47 PM

The only way I can move this stuff is buying things on the Play store. But I have the music pass so I don't need to buy any of that...

Nathan Osman

But this is not that day.

user139252

And there are no good movies out

Nathan Osman

@HeatherBrown I'm in the same boat.

So I just keep it until an app comes along that does something really useful.

user139252

That I do not own in Blu-Ray already, at least.

user139252

I can get the paid version of my TI-84 emulator.

Helio

8:52 PM

@NathanOsman: I can't get a George response to political gun control nor bacon

Nathan Osman

He probably timed out or something.

Fabby

@Helio So? did you get kicked?

terdon

Not by me. I figure one spurious kick a day per mod is enough.

Helio

@Fabby: I didn't get kicked

Fabby

OK...

@terdon I'm going to try to ignore you for 5 seconds...

terdon

8:57 PM

@Fabby I

Mmmh....

@Fabby won't

Seems to work..

@Fabby let

@Fabby you

Fabby

It does!

terdon

8:57 PM

sniff '(

Fabby

I can see you jump to the head of the queue, but with a tiny icon.

That's weird...

terdon

Yeah, I've had people on ignore a few times. Very useful.

Fabby

You shouldn't be able to ignore mods.

How can they warn you otherwise?

user139252

I ignored @Fabby! =D

user139252

Why didn't anyone tell me this was an option before?

Helio

9:01 PM

I can ignore anybody without touching a button. Let's disconnect the power cord!

Fabby

@HeatherBrown :D Because they like me too much!

:P

Nathan Osman

Alright, time to test Marshmallow out.

Fabby

@Helio :D

@NathanOsman except flat icons, what's going to change???

Nathan Osman

We'll find out.

Sounds like the UI is smoother and the battery life better.

Fabby

Actually, with the last Ubuntu Touch update, battery life became much better!

Helio

9:09 PM

Why this doesn't work here? ...

Nathan Osman

Marshmallow is booting...

Helio

@NathanOsman: I tried to torture yout bot and it survived. However if I found a bug in ping... Poor bot. ;-)

Nathan Osman

Don't worry. I'm sure he's alright.

Wait... why do I only have 65 apps all of a sudden...

Helio

P. S.: I plan to update my Samsung SM-T320 to Android M. I'll expect cyanogen build because Samsung doesn't even support Lollipop

Nathan Osman

And with Samsung, you get TouchWiz. 'nough said.

Helio

9:15 PM

TouchWiz is {select * where word.count == four_letters}. Now I have 4.4 AOSP root with GoogleNowLauncher

user139252

9:25 PM

@NathanOsman Did you do a fresh install or upgrade?

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user136984

Goodnight guys! :)

user136984

@NathanOsman: Tell George goodnight from me! :D

Nathan Osman

Okay.

@HeatherBrown Neither, I flashed some of the factory image but not userdata.img, so I still keep my data.

Helio

@ParanoidPanda: Good night, Panda (to not say Paranoid)

;-)

Nathan Osman

9:32 PM

Fabby

VTD

Nathan Osman

6.0 is up and running :)

Fabby

@NathanOsman :) So, any major differences from an EU perspective?

Nathan Osman

Not a lot has changed, TBH.

Helio

9:54 PM

Good night!

Nathan Osman

A few animations have changed - not much else in the UI.

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10:10 PM

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Serg

11:06 PM

@Fabby yeah ; AB suggested that to Oli, i agreed, so Oli banned me for like 12 hours or so. I was still lurking, just couldn't post in the chat

Zacharee1

Android 6.0 really should have been 5.2

Thomas W.

urgh i wish they made laptop drives easy to afford >.<

needs a 2TB one >.<

Zacharee1

They're not that expensive @ThomasW.

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 they are when you've got an insanely tight budget

@Zacharee1 cheapest 2TB for a laptop internal I can find is $100

Zacharee1

@ThomasW. $90?

Thomas W.

11:13 PM

plus tax and shipping

@Zacharee1 Don't have it - too tight a budget

Zacharee1

@ThomasW. wow

Thomas W.

too many bills

hbdgaf

@Serg Oli probably had other contextual reasons. He doesn't usually mess up chillouts, but he can be a bit whimsical.

Zacharee1

@ThomasW. 88.99?

USD

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 LITERALLY have only $45 in my budget

Zacharee1

11:16 PM

That's terrible

That awkward moment when you backspace out of the chat

Why won't 1TB work @ThomasW.

@ThomasW. $43 1TB HDD

Nathan Osman

Do you need continuous access to the storage?

If not, there are plenty of options online for storing data that are far less than $45/m.

Zacharee1

MEGA gives 50GB free, OneDrive 30GB, SurDoc 50, Google Drive 15, Dropbox 2, Copy 15, Box 15 ( I think)

That's 177GB

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 Too much data - WIndows alone eats 2/3rds of a 1TB drive (I'm a gamer AND a nerd xD)

@NathanOsman Yeah, I also have VMs on here :/

access at least three of them daily, a Win10 one specifically for security analysis and testing

(and the pfSense virtual machine sitting in front of that controlling traffic flow)

Zacharee1

11:32 PM

@ThomasW. Laptop or desktop?

Thomas W.

27 mins ago, by Thomas W.

urgh i wish they made laptop drives easy to afford >.<

my assumption is you forgot that

Zacharee1

Durrr

Save up for a laptop with two drive bays

Or start a Gofundme

Nathan Osman

Wow... that's a ton of data.

I have 18 VMs (five of which are Windows VMs) that occupy 84 GB of space.

Zacharee1

11:47 PM

@NathanOsman small VMs

Nathan Osman

Yeah, some of them are less than 1 GB.

Especially the Windows 98 VM :P

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman Do you really still have Windows 98?

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 yup.

Seth

@ThomasW. you can get a 750GB 7200RPM drive on newegg for $60.

That doesn't seem bad.

If you try hard enough I've heard of people getting 1TB ones for that price.

Zacharee1

@Seth but you can get a 1TB on eBay for 43

Seth

11:51 PM

@Zacharee1 yeah well, that's ebay.

Zacharee1

@Seth new and trusted seller

Seth

Ebay is cheaper, but the level of trust is a lot lower, even with high rated sellers.

Zacharee1

@Seth even Amazon has like $50 ones

Seth

I don't see any for $50.

Either way, they're not terribly expensive.

Zacharee1

@Seth amazon.com/gp/product/…

@Seth but @ThomasW. 's budget is $45

Seth

11:54 PM

@Zacharee1 5400 RPM.

I'm looking at 7200 only.

Ah.

Zacharee1

@Seth that isn't bad

Seth

Well. $45 is trickier.

@Zacharee1 I don't believe I said it was.

Zacharee1

I honestly don't really notice a difference between the two

Seth

well I do ;)

and I know others who do as well.

Zacharee1

$47 5400RPM 1TB

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