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9:00 PM
fun, running into virtualbox bugs
 
so much for easy "add ppa, dist-upgrade, log out, log in, tadaa"
> gnome-shell : Depends: gnome-icon-theme-symbolic (>= 2.91) but it is not going to be installed
 
@htorque so start resolving dependency issues, shouldn't take long ;)
 
;D
there it is
> gnome-icon-theme-symbolic : Depends: gnome-icon-theme (< 2.92) but 3.0.0-0ubuntu1~build1 is to be installed
 
so something hasn't been updated along with the rest, so it's unresolvable
 
apt-get should have a --really-force-all switch :P
 
9:06 PM
@StefanoPalazzo going to rename the unity-place-askubuntu package?
or should they have place in the name?
 
@ajmitch I'm just about sure that's the correct convention
but it's pretty easy to change (I suppose), if that turns out to be wrong
 
this place vs lens thing is annoying :)
if they want to change name, it should be changed everywhere
 
leave place in the name
only the user-visible stuff should say "lens"
 
@JorgeCastro why is place being kept around?
just for compatibility with what's been written already?
I just installed the AU lens from a package btw & it looks awesome :)
 
Goodnight everyone! and good luck with the meetings! :)
 
9:10 PM
cool :-)
let me know if something bugs you
@Alvar see you
 
Why is couchdb installed in my Ubuntu 10.10? http://bit.ly/hi4mNC #couchdb
 
@StefanoPalazzo yeah, I don't have enough rep on AU :)
 
nano debian/control.in, debuild -us -uc, sudo dpkg -i ../*deb -> gnome-shell installed :P
 
G'night @Alvar
 
9:13 PM
@StefanoPalazzo using the standard question mark icon for questions make me think that there's a missing icon or something
 
@ajmitch yeah I know, it's on my mind. All the icons are wrong
but it's not easy to find someone who can (and will) make great icons
 
naming a project & choosing icons are probably the hardest things about a project ;)
 
I still need a name for my rpc framework thing
 
@StefanoPalazzo have a spelunk through icons.mysitemyway.com
 
there is one project, doing the same thing (only much better), that's called "Celery"
 
9:16 PM
yeah I've heard of celery
 
@lazyPower Oi, nice. I'll have a look through it for inspiration (not that I could ever do a good enough job designing anything)
@ajmitch Not a great name, I think.
 
@StefanoPalazzo they are royalty free and in the public domain, you can use /reuse as you see fit
 
my first idea was "rework", but that's not googleable (and it's not that good either..)
 
hey @ajmitch
Binary package hint: gpodder Someone from my local team lost his podcasts subscriptions when upgrading in Natty. He talked to the upstream and: 17:08 <slestak> i worked with thomas perl in #gpodder and there is a known db migration bug in 2.11 (what installed from repo on natty) that is not present in 2.13 (current) Debian has 2.13 in wheezy, which should fix this issue.
gpodder (Ubuntu)
Critical / Confirmed
 
@StefanoPalazzo call it "spork"
 
9:18 PM
this is dataloss, what magic tags do I need to put it on the right radar?
 
@lazyPower I heard a talk from the matplotlib developer, explaining himself about choosing that name (so he should). Said it was the only thing he could come up with that returned no google results
good idea ↑
The rubbish name doesn't seem to have affected the libraries popularity, so maybe it doesn't matter
 
true that, pretty solid theory
i've got a project going right now code-named cheese steak
I dont think its going to get re-branded, because i love the name :P
 
@JorgeCastro not sure what tags, I'll take a look at it & find a release team member to ping
 
I just need to know the process
so just ping RT?
 
9:22 PM
Oh yes!
I just bought a chair, for less than a tenth of the price
 
Nice
 
been hunting for it for two months
 
@failbadp passed by gaming!
/me shakes fist towards badp
 
@JorgeCastro for something that needs a freeze exception, ubuntu-release should be subscribed, and the bug changed to have the information required by the FreezeExceptionProcess page
then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to get the sync through once there's an ACK from -release
 
@JorgeCastro uh, we've been ahead for a while now :P
 
9:26 PM
we've been flipflopping the last few days
we were on top a few times this week
Consider it to be ON now.
 
@JorgeCastro not sure if 2.13 has any non-bugfix changes that need an ACK, release team might say to backport the fix if it can be found
 
yeah working with the reporter to find the right one
 
@JorgeCastro and thanks for the 'maybe' email :)
 
heh
fingers crossed
 
I see debian has gpodder 2.14 now
I'm going to try & attack the possible RC bugs list this weekend, it may catch a few more issues like this one
 
9:31 PM
hi
 
Careers lets you now list books on your bookshelf.
 
ah, the new, fancy, invite-only careers 2.0?
or is it public yet?
 
I got no invites
 
you can have a pony instead :)
 
@JorgeCastro makes me not feel as bad for not having any invites myself
@JorgeCastro as if you need any other push than 11.04 to go golden in, what, two weeks?
 
9:35 PM
@JorgeCastro I'll invite you!
I just need to figure out how to do that... :)
 
@failbadp heh. I need it to offset the minecraft
 
what is careers?
 
@GeorgeEdison how many invites do you get?
 
I don't know.
 
oh i see
@RolandTaylor welcome back
 
9:37 PM
Once I figure it out, I'll gladly give you one.
 
has anyone tried to upgrade to Natty from Maverick (using the livecd)?
thanks ^^ @TheX
 
@RolandTaylor no straight install here...
 
@RolandTaylor probably quite a few people - I haven't done it myself, but will do so quite soon
if it has issues, file bugs now so we can fix them
 
I would like to try it - but I don't want to hose my system because my laptop screen is broken
so like for example if the kernel has issues - I'll be stuck :/
 
I should get a job at Google
 
9:40 PM
@TheX From the ad:
 
I have a PHD in BS...
 
> "BS, MS, or PhD in Computer Science or related technical discipline (or equivalent)."
I wish people didn't stick that on!
It always leaves me out, even though I may be otherwise perfectly qualified.
 
@GeorgeEdison agreed...
I applied at a bank oncce..
that they wanted a BS...
which I don't have...
 
but when they saw my experience they told me I was over qualified :-(
BA I mean
 
9:42 PM
oh
 
or maybe it was BS, I don't remember
 
wait...
 
A Bachelor of Science (Bc., B.S., BS, B.Sc. or BSc; less commonly, S.B. or Sc.B. from the Latin Scientiæ Baccalaureus) is an undergraduate academic degree awarded for completed courses that generally last three to five years (see below). International differences Australia In Australia, the BSc is a 3 year degree, offered from 1st year on. A fourth (Honours) year or an MSc is then required to progress on to PhD. Continental Europe Many universities in Europe are changing their systems into the BA/MA system, and in doing so also offering the full equivalent of a B.Sc. or M.Sc. Commonwe...
 
a PHD in BA?
 
no I am a doctor of bull shit
 
9:43 PM
ohhh
so I was right in my thinking :D
 
depends on what you where thinking?
 
that you meant B.S
 
right...
 
no seriously
 
if yo say so
 
9:45 PM
I just thought you must have meant Bull... but then I told myself you were being serious and a PhD BS was something I must not know about
 
Oh gotcha ya
 
one thing you can know about me - if I say something I most often mean it :D
unless it's a joke
 
on thing to know about me... I love sarcasm... but there usually is no lie behind it...
 
@JorgeCastro gnome-shell didn't run (started with a tiny dialog "could not update .ICEauthority file"), ppa-purge left ~80 packages from the ppa, so maybe you should make your warning two points larger :D
 
ouch
 
9:49 PM
sometimes it gets me in trouble :-(
 
same here
 
sometimes = most of the time
 
I know how that goes :P
have to keep explaining things you say to people
and trying to get them not to be offended etc
 
or they just hate you, and never talk to you again... I have had that on occasion....
 
9:51 PM
lol
you're lucky it's only on occasion :D
 
maybe that is why I don't have any friends now that I think about it...
 
nah - it's cause of the unbelievable truth - human beings suck more than you can imagine
I no longer listen when people say - if everyone tells you the same thing you need to check yourself
that's a joke
 
yeah they just don't know what they are missing by not being my friends...
 
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Q: Where are my Careers 2.0 invites?

George EdisonI wanted to invite someone to Careers 2.0, but I can't find my invites anywhere: According to this answer, they should be "in the menu on the profile page, right above the messages link" - but I don't see them.

 
actually, I observed something interesting
 
9:53 PM
@TheX: There... hopefully I can track that down.
 
social pressures can work in a subtle manner - causing people to dislike/avoid someone without any reason
 
@GeorgeEdison say what?
 
@TheX I'm going to figure out where my invites are.
 
@GeorgeEdison Oh :D
 
(The question I just posted.)
 
9:54 PM
@RolandTaylor maybe it is better this way....
 
idk
I haven't had better myself so I can't measure based on what I know
 
@RolandTaylor no friends, no outside influences... free to be me...
 
and lonely?
cause that's how I see it :P
 
except at work... I am just another b**** in the pot...
 
I feel great being me - but being me by myself sucks
 
9:55 PM
@RolandTaylor that is why i got married so I am not lonely...
 
lol
true
I have yet to reach that mark :/
 
whoops did I say that??/
 
say what?
 
nah she actually isn't home...
 
sudo apt-get install?
you should do autoclean fir... oh
 
9:57 PM
she said sudo apt-get install divorce-lawyer...
 
rofl
if/when/theory_of_relativity/divide_by_zero - I get married - divorce is off the table
 
you will find the one someday... btw sorry phone
 
(picture as irrelevant as I feel to most women)
 
lol
just pretend to be a kitten??? most women like kittens...
 
heh
I'm a good actor
but acting like an animal is likely to get my into the arms of someone in a white coat with a syringe
 
10:03 PM
good point lol
but if you are cute and fluffy
 
fluffy - that I am
cute... ugh
 
I need to go to the grocery store before it closes...
 
I got tired of being called cute as a child
cya ^^
 
which means I need to leave
 
buy me a cookie!
 
10:04 PM
but I will most likely be back at some point
I baked brownies last night... you can have one when I get back
 
assuming that you get married while I am gone :P
 
travels through the... dammit
 
lol
did you realize you went to far?
 
yeah :D
 
10:05 PM
I really did read your blog... or at least a lot of it
 
cool ^^
 
okay gotta go
 
cya :P
 
@RolandTaylor just had a thought
 
10:21 PM
heh, guess the system is back after major synaptic surgery. ;-)
if you wanna try out gnome3 - use a fedora snapshot :P
 
10:37 PM
it's a bit odd trying to get used to unity
 
I hate unity so far... :(
I try really hard to like it...
 
I'm trying to use it before I state a thing like that, there are certainly a number of things I like about it
 
I have been using it since it has been available to install by the common man...
So I think I am allowed to state my dislike...
maybe hate was a strong word?
 
hate would imply that you couldn't stand using it & would even use KDE or XFCE instead
 
maybe I should scale my hate levels...
hate1 = dislike but has potential with some polish.............. hate10 = KDE
Unity = hate1
 
10:43 PM
I found the bug in JetHTTP that was producing a package with the binary missing.
 
oi @GeorgeEdison
I thought of something the other day
 
What?
 
it's an easy statement to make, but anyway: jethttp needs one click https
 
It will!
 
(literally, so that you can put it on the bumph)
 
10:45 PM
Since Qt has native support for SSL, it'll be a cinch.
I'll have to figure out how to generate a self-signed certificate though.
(For testing purposes.)
 
@GeorgeEdison Most importantly, make it really be only one click, not two
that'd be so cool :-)
 
@StefanoPalazzo Do you know where SSL certificates are stored by default?
 
I think in /etc/ssl/certs
 
@StefanoPalazzo does the AU lens search in the text of questions, or just the title?
 
Ideally, if it's in a centralized location, JetHTTP will just pick them up and use them.
Presto! Zero clicks!
 
10:47 PM
~$ cat /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIEuDCCA6CgAwIBAgIBBDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBtDELMAkGA1UEBhMCQlIx
EzARBgNVBAoTCklDUC1CcmFzaWwxPTA7BgNVBAsTNEluc3RpdHV0byBOYWNpb25h
bCBkZSBUZWNub2xvZ2lhIGRhIEluZm9ybWFjYW8gLSBJVEkxETAPBgNVBAcTCEJy
...
@GeorgeEdison even better :-)
I don't know much about SSL, but I'm pretty sure these certificates are of no use to you
you need to generate a self-signed cert, and than have an option to replace it with a proper one
 
I know almost nothing about it... so I guess I'll have to learn.
 
damn, I try & alt-tab in natty & compiz blows up in my face :)
 
well the user has to have his own certificate, you can get one for free at cacert.org (needless to say, their root cert is not included in major browser distributions, so websites still show a warning)
 
@RolandTaylor are you around?
 
and "real" certificates cost a bunch of money (some of which provided the funding for ubuntu I think)
 
10:51 PM
@StefanoPalazzo They used to come standard with a lot of more expensive hosting accounts.
 
they don't anymore?
 
heh, "complete report" for the crash is 144MB, that's just mad :)
 
(for some reason, I think they're about 80 euros a pop)
 
Some of them have stopped.
Okay, I just created a self-signed certificate now.
 
ono I'm wrong, they're 400 us dollars p.a. at verisign
 
10:58 PM
That's a lot. (Should be cheaper here though since our dollar is valued higher than the US dollar.)
 
Setting it up with Apache gives me: "SSL connection error."
"Green address bar" costs quite a bit more.
 
And if you want a guarantee that the thing is actually secure, that's a quarter of a million dollars :P
 
Where are you reading that?!?!
 
that's how you make money with open standards
@GeorgeEdison "NetSure® extended warranty" under 'top 10 security features'
 
11:04 PM
...but that's not something you pay.... is it?
I get the impression it's some form of insurance.
 
oh wait, now that could be the case
I thought it was "pay 250k for insurance", but it may be "with this package, you get 250k worth of insurance"
that makes much more sense
 
Wow... Chrome's warning is quite bold...
 
@GeorgeEdison last time I looked, it was a bunch of clicks to get firefox to trust it,
 
I'll try it.
 
their warning isn't that bold, but you have to click on scary buttons to make it go away
 
11:16 PM
click for lols
 
^--- Firefox's warning.
 
nice :-D @TheX
 
^------ Why is it saying "wrong site"...?
 
right, that's what I was thinking of
 
The whole experiment was supposed to help me figure out where .crt and .key files go.
Seems like there isn't really a standard place.
By default, there's '/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem'.
So maybe /etc/ssl/certs is the standard location.
 
11:28 PM
any ideas why I am getting the following error?
 
@TheX What are you installing?
 
gnome-shell
or at least I am trying too
 
looks like he's trying to install gnome-shell from the PPA, which is currently not a good idea, at least from what @htorque was saying :)
 
gnome-shell
sorry interwebs died :-(
can you see me?
 
no
I don't think this chat uses webcams :P
 
11:36 PM
I meant my text, which I will take your response as a yes...
damn... they just couldn't let Blockbuster die!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 

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