Game Development

The number of possible positions in your game world is probably only seventy-nine octillion two hundred twenty-eight septillion one hundred sixty-two sextillion five hundred fourteen quintillion two hundred sixty-four quadrillion three hundred thirty-seven trillion five hundred ninety-three billion five hundred forty-three million nine hundred fifty thousand three hundred thirty-six

Lasse

that few? must be boring

MickLH

using doubles doesn't help much either

btw that number has 96 prime factors which is a lot for a number that size, in fact the number is "maximally friable" or "maximally smooth" in number theory terms

PearsonArtPhoto

11:45 AM

@ChrisMcFarland I think you have the order wrong.

Chris McFarland

@PearsonArtPhoto change the name as you see fit then :)

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL. I'm not going to, but...

Chris McFarland

aww

MickLH

First Jon... now our dreams! Will you stop at nothing?!

PearsonArtPhoto

room topic changed to Procrastination and Game Development: Game development and other polite discussion. Game development conversations have priority. Please star responsibly. [game-design] [game-industry]

Chris McFarland

11:46 AM

room's due for a new coat of paint

PearsonArtPhoto

room topic changed to Game Development: Game development and other polite discussion. Game development conversations have priority. Please star responsibly. [game-design] [game-industry]

I'll do it temporarily;-)

Bálint

I went away for 40 minutes and this happened

MickLH

that was extremely temporary

room topic changed to Procrastination and Game Development: Game development and other polite discussion. Game development conversations have priority. Please star responsibly. [game-design] [game-industry]

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL

Bálint

Could someone do a tl;dr

John Hamilton

11:47 AM

I still see it as Proc&GD

so I'm happy

Chris McFarland

@Bálint we're procrastinating

and trying to make it official

MickLH

Highly effective procrastination

John Hamilton

@Bálint .. @MickLH killed @jgallant and we have realized we didn't actually develop games but procrastinate instead :o

MickLH

Rep ProCrastaNaysh Yo

Bálint

Amazing

How long will he be banned?

MickLH

11:50 AM

35 mins ago, by MickLH

Forever.

John Hamilton

Rip Jon

Never forget

MickLH

I personally banned him permanently because he was spending too much time here instead of on my discord

also, this (still) exists

39 mins ago, by jgallant

pretty pimp

Lasse

so hes been gone for 39 minutes and all you are going nuts

talking about regulars being away

Chris McFarland

lmao

nothing better to talk about hahaha

Bálint

Is he really banned or does he just stay silent?

Lasse

11:55 AM

hes just afk

or playing

MickLH

the message would be deleted if he got suspended lol

I didn't even flag it

Chris McFarland

smh

Bálint

Jon is essential in this chat, who would get himself banned if not him

Lasse

or gasp doing something important?

Bálint

Why is the pimp message inappropariate?

MickLH

11:56 AM

@Bálint raises hand

user92578

you can also see if someone is banned from their profile

John Hamilton

guys stop ruining the joke

user92578

chat.stackexchange.com/users/224245/gamegraph

Chris McFarland

ahaha

MickLH

I want to drop an N-bomb C-bomb hybrid thermonuclear language device for the diamonds and the glory

Bálint

11:58 AM

Let's not speak about Jon. It'd be strange if he comes back and sees the messages

user92578

COOP clip patch, no other changes: youtu.be/fC0l0GBuwi4?t=44s

John Hamilton

Too late, I've already tagged him

@Tyyppi_77 maybe a single player start screen at the start too? just a second of footage

user92578

yeah that's what I was suggested

user92578

feels weird to me to start with a menu but meh, if that's what you guys think is good

John Hamilton

like, Enter from white screen in about 0.5 secs then 0.5 secs of animated start screen and pressing the button to go, just explode the whole screen then put in gameplay

maybe, I'm not sure, I'm not really good at these stuff :P

I generally just wing it

Chris McFarland

12:04 PM

no, don't start with a menu

Uri Popov

wait what happened to jon ?

Chris McFarland

that would feel unpolished imo

Bálint

@UriPopov We don't know

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 We are the Borg. Negotiation is irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

John Hamilton

@UriPopov he dead

Bálint

12:05 PM

@Uri Elämä - Kuolema for hero and boss?

Uri Popov

Elama sounds really arabic dude

MickLH

It's an arabic car, the e-lama

Bálint

It's finnish

John Hamilton

electronic llama

MickLH

exactly

I think that was technically a race joke

Uri Popov

12:07 PM

might actually be a good idea to have the bosses named after demi-gods from different mythologies

John Hamilton

I'd expect Mick to be the only guy here to be banned on a technicality

Uri Popov

i got banned once for a that's what she said joke and another time for posting dank memes

MickLH

@JohnHamilton Eh I still have to push it a bit actually, though it has been more strict lately

A while back it seemed like a free for all

Bálint

I once got banned to see what it is like

MickLH

I lost a lot of respect though after we all starred the exact same message the exact same number of times and filled the board with pure OCD satisfaction and it got deleted by some brownnosing piece of shit though so I don't really give a fuck if I get banned or not

Bálint

12:12 PM

I still have an image of that

John Hamilton

Do you have one of Procrastination and Game Development?

user92578

that's easy

user92578

John Hamilton

btw I still don't understand how the dotted lines are decided in the chat

MickLH

hax

John Hamilton

12:16 PM

oh I have one, I was asking if he had one

@MickLH really though, how are those decided, not time not number of messages not succession of messages, they just sort of feel random

user92578

it marks the spot where SE assumes you've read

MickLH

I thought it had someth- ^

John Hamilton

ahh gotcha

user92578

chat.stackexchange.com/faq#read

MickLH

too bad it's always fucking wrong and useless lol

John Hamilton

12:19 PM

yeah it doesn't work as well as it should

user92578

yup

MickLH

I'm glad you think that I just send messages blindly without even reading anyone else, Stack Exchange.

John Hamilton

anyway, I should just stop noticing it then

user92578

anyways, here's code for a queen movement on a chess board and wonderwall: gamedev.stackexchange.com/a/139065/35344

John Hamilton

@MickLH what do you mean? That's how we always send messages, isn't it?

MickLH

12:20 PM

@JohnHamilton What? I can't hear you

I'm talking too loud, can you speak up?

John Hamilton

@MickLH Shhh you'll wake Jon

okay the wine is kicking in, I should slowly depart

user92578

hey was the volume on the newer trailer clip better or do I still need to turn the music down?

John Hamilton

I still can't tell whether those are actually sfx or just parts of music

user92578

k

Chris McFarland

that boing sound, man

gotta change it eh

really isn't fitting imo

user92578

12:24 PM

happy sound for happy shield points

Chris McFarland

lol

MickLH

you gotta put in a super realistic "hup!" for jumping to make a nice contrast with everything else

John Hamilton

Needs more broforce in sfx

Chris McFarland

time for zelda and bed, laters!

MickLH

@ChrisMcFarland peace

jgallant

1:04 PM

guys does anyone here know if it is ok to use zelda sprites and sounds and pokemon ?

Kevin van der Velden

Sure, nintendo is famous for their tolerant stance on using their assets

jgallant

i only plan on making as much money as possible

jgallant

1:27 PM

so the one downfall of using text mesh pro -- is that your kerning is going to be whack

And you then have to adjust every single instance of two characters that are not kerned properly.

Luckily you can also import this kerning data into another project for a font you already tuned in the past.

i don't get how the white bar moves, but the idea is cool

user92578

seems like it's just static motion

user92578

yeah idea is definitely cool

user92578

2:27 PM

FUCK ME

user92578

I've had two tracks of the same music playing in the trailers

user92578

no fucking wonder it's too loud

PearsonArtPhoto

Woops...

jgallant

what an iiiiiiidiot

Bálint

@jgallant You should delete that message, it could be interpreted as offensive

DH.

2:42 PM

We all are aware that some stuff we post are susceptible to the flag spammers

yahoo5000

@Bálint do you have any idea not how to fetch LAST_INSERT_ID() ? i tried getInt("id") but thats results as bad column

Bálint

Are you sure id is an int? Can you show me your table setup?

yahoo5000

Bálint

You likited your id to 255? Or is it just how long it can be?

Kevin van der Velden

@yahoo5000 You're not specifying a name in your query, you need SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID() AS [Id]

@Bálint that's size I think, not max

yahoo5000

2:52 PM

yea thats is how long it can be

Kevin i was loooking at the samples on google and SO it was just SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID() . but i will try your way

Kevin van der Velden

@yahoo5000 another option would be to not get it by id but by column number

i.e. (probably) getInt(0)

yahoo5000

"MySQL_Prepared_ResultSet::getInt: invalid value of 'columnIndex'"

Bálint

Try getInt(1)

The 0th column doesn't exist

jgallant

hehe

yahoo5000

i have tried 1 will try with 0 and then SELECT AS id

yea i was thinking that way too

if 0 even exist

Kevin van der Velden

2:54 PM

0-based is the only proper way to do things >:(

looking at you lua

Bálint

Lua is shitty, even as a script language

yahoo5000

0 didt work and 1 i have already tried

Kevin van der Velden

What api are you using?

What code samples are you following?

yahoo5000

i am not following any samples now , yesterday i was looking at how to INSERT and select last inserted row id at the same query its seems its not possible so i split into two queries and now trying to fetch last insert id after query success

i am using C++ mysql connector

Bálint

Isn't there a way to dump the contents of a resultset?

yahoo5000

2:58 PM

Done tnx for help guys

mysql.PstmtQuery("SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID() AS id");
				mysql.ExecutePstmtQuery();
				if (mysql.ResultSet()->next())
				{
					Packet p(Player_CreateCharacter);
					p.AppendInt32(mysql.ResultSet()->getInt("id"));

this seems to be working

Also what do you think is better , use mutex so data wont get bad , or as some game people do once you register you have to login , in that way i would not by worrying about last id

user92578

3:32 PM

Very pleased with this one:

user92578

GunHero Release Trailer

►

user92578

I'm a little sad that I didn't get the ending as a thumbnail option

yahoo5000

its seems so easy there :D or its just because you playing ? :D

user92578

probably just me playing

Almo

3:57 PM

i think you can upload a custom thumnail

user92578

yeah if I give youtube my phone number

MickLH

t

jgallant

they more than likely already have it

user92578

4:12 PM

rly?

user4704

I mean, it's Google.

user92578

True

DH.

4:27 PM

You make the game look easy on that video lol

Some of those levels I probably died a few times to complete

user92578

There are certain levels that I die a lot in too in my play throughs

user92578

mainly in desert

DH.

Some "accidents" happens too in the snow area with the rocket launcher dudes

user92578

really? In most of my play throughs they never even get to take a shot

DH.

Sometimes they end up shooting because they saw me before I could get to them, and it becomes a cat and mouse to hit their missile lol

user92578

4:35 PM

that's cool

Stephane Hockenhull

best deal for car rental from expedia.ca $262 CAD,
exact same car rental from carrentals.com: $104 USD -> $140 CAD
the best part?

DH.

Yeah, I like the challenge of some parts of your game

user92578

@StephaneHockenhull I don't get it

Stephane Hockenhull

I love those market manipulation things...

@Tyyppi_77 "An Expedia, Inc. Company"

user92578

ohh now I get it

Stephane Hockenhull

4:37 PM

It's the same web rental company

I wonder if we could do the same for video games...

Release the exact same game under 3 brands under 3 prices & stuff....

Well, I guess it's what XB1, PS4, Steam, GoG actually is..

user92578

or just tweak the price for a certain area

user92578

live in Norway? well you can surely afford to pay twice the price than anywhere else

user4704

I mean, that makes sense for some things.

user4704

For cars, you need to repair them and put gas in them.

user4704

If obtaining those things is more expensive in Norway, it would make sense to need to raise the rate for renting the car (and thus implicitly incurring the overhead of repair and refueling)

user4704

4:42 PM

But I do agree it doesn't make as much sense for other things that aren't impacted in similar ways

user4704

Like software.

user92578

oh yeah that's a good point

Stephane Hockenhull

Except both price were for rentals at the same location for the same dates, on sites by the same company.

user4704

Sure, I'm talking in general.

user4704

Your example still seems weird and is probably mostly a case of the two places not being able to (or not willing to) communicate and agree on stuff.

Stephane Hockenhull

4:45 PM

It's like going on Steam's website instead of the client and having prices double :P

I think it's they're cashing in on people who can't be bothered to look around.
Expedia is mainly for trips but also do car rentals at the same time (convenience)

DH.

@UriPopov Name her Hel

Stephane Hockenhull

Come to think of it, there aren't that many game dev panels where people talk about setting proper price points for their games...

DH.

AAA game devs should start doing it, because it's really retarded why some games at launch cost so much, but one month later it's already 30% off

user4704

Makes sense to me.

user4704

Also remember not every developer is control of either pricing or discounts (or the timeline thereof)

DH.

4:52 PM

Doesn't make much sense to me why the price drops so fast after the launch

Seems like we are paying just to be the first people to play it, not paying for the game itself

Stephane Hockenhull

@DH. Same reason the 2016 model costs less than what is exactly mechanically the same car marked 2017

user4704

It's about needing to recoup costs, mainly.

Stephane Hockenhull

people ready to pay for it

And then you lower for the people who are not ready to pay that much.

user4704

There's a lot of factors that go into it; usually you set an initial price based on projections of how much the thing will move in the first month or so (which is where most purchases happen) and also on market tier you're aiming for.

user4704

People can be psychologically opposed to purchasing a game you want to fit into the "AAA" market for less than the expected "AAA" price, for example.

Stephane Hockenhull

4:55 PM

yep

user4704

Purchases drop significantly after the first month (or sometimes less).

Stephane Hockenhull

"$20? Where's the catch? Is it really that shit that they need to price it down?"

user4704

Many "AAA" games haven't recouped at that point, because many of them cost so much they can't possibly.

user4704

So after the initial hype and marketing push where you can sell at full price, you have to resort to other tactics you have available. At this point the game's experience is fairly known and documented.

user4704

Dropping the price can encourage more sales, primarily from people who have seen the reviews and let's plays at this point and decided "not quite for me..."

jgallant

4:58 PM

i'd buy steep if the price wasn't so steep

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