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1:06 AM
teaching programming is overrated
it kinda killed my expectations for uni when I got to go as a child and the professor soon had me helping other people, but then many of the other people had persistent stupid questions and it was sortof uncomfortable being so much younger than everyone and having to constantly correct them
@Bálint lol I had the same thing happen except I had to deny it right away :P
 
University is grossly overrated.
 
@StephaneHockenhull but can a game developer give a better answer about a game launcher than a normal developer?
 
I think a normal desktop developer actually can give a better answer, since they were also interested in a GUI
and just because launching an exe is pretty much something you almost never need to do as a game developer
 
Unless you're an old DOS-era dev that made a setup.exe that also launches the game ...
Or had to write your own protected mode dos extender...
skills that have been unnecessary for the last 17 years or so :P
 
1:21 AM
I guess the question is not complete enough; the issues is not clear....
 
@StephaneHockenhull Even still, those were normal DOS desktop coding skills
 
Like I said, it's going to degenerate into hand-holding the guy through writing the whole thing if it doesn't get closed, just watch...
 
and I bet the desktop dev of the day probably knew more of the subtleties of switching to protected mode especially compatibility stuff
while the game developer of the day was probably better suited for a question about rasterization or the like
 
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Q: Execute external program in java

sqtdI tried to make an application that calls an external program that I have to pass two parameters. It doesn't give any errors.The program.exe,written in c++, takes a picture and modifies the content of txt file. The java program runs but it does nothing Here is my sample code String[] param...

 
Oh yeah that brings us to the main point: The question is obviously provably already answered on SO
 
1:24 AM
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Q: Java Programming: call an exe from Java and passing parameters

Lorenzo BoaroI'm figuring out a mechanism to call an exe from Java and passing in specific parameters. How can I do? Process process = new ProcessBuilder("C:\\PathToExe\\MyExe.exe").start(); InputStream is = process.getInputStream(); InputStreamReader isr = new InputStreamReader(is); BufferedReader br = new ...

LMGTFY: "java launch program"
There's only so few things that you just can't google and get the proper results.
Most of these I found have to do with web toolkits with absolutely stupid generic names.
It's like the Ruby/Python/PHP/etc devs writing toolkit/libraries get up in the morning and ask themselves "How can I name it as search-engine unfriendly as possible?"
 
If you did SEO for work then you'd probably want to revolt against it too
 
I know! I'm gonna call my calendar widget "blue baffle".
(do not google that, for the love of everything)
 
well since you said so...
 
edited :P
And now people are gonna find things with accidental typos
 
change it to "flue baffle" so it's a thing
 
1:36 AM
I'm sure a blue baffle is a thing.
 
blue baffle is like baby's first conjunction of english words
 
Actually found one and it's blue!
 
so I guess it's a thing
 
Baffles are something to slow down the flow of fluids and prevent waves
 
obviously, but "blue baffle" is an ill defined thing
while "flue baffle" is a well defined thing
 
1:38 AM
They put those in fuel tanks to prevent the liquid from sloshing around
 
sorry, I just like to win at life, I can't help but be super legit all the time
 
:D
And it's a baffle to slow and cool down ejection gases...
I'd add a whistle...
 
(I actually originally felt like directly saying "change it" was too strong of language for what I actually meant to bring up, so I had to make up for it, just so you know my sentiment for sure)
@jgallant where are you? the world needs you right now
@StephaneHockenhull < fart joke >
 
OMG get your mind out of the gutter! That was totally NOT a fart joke. I am outraged that you would suggest such a thing.
I'd never!
 
(censored)
 
2:00 AM
allright, that was enough game deving for today. I got some shrines and Koroks to find.
 
2:45 AM
well... I've gotta update the map file format again and that's all there is to it.
Building the BVH tree for all the static object physics is not very fast when the map is complex...
I threw a large map geometry at it, and it dominated the load time trying to generate it at load
 
3:07 AM
nevermind, I can just generate it smarter from the octree instead of generating the tree triangle by triangle
 
3:22 AM
"Anyways, yesterday I stumbled upon an app developed by the amazing Start VR. download from here"
Definitely spam
 
 
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6:54 AM
@StephaneHockenhull Depends on where you live. Here the wage limits are much lower then in the US, so you can't do shit without a degree.
 
@StephaneHockenhull "yeh ha ha! you found me! clinkle"
 
7:27 AM
I had a JavaScript professor once
he wrote his own IDE that we used
but his IDE had a long-standing bug where if you pressed Ctrl+Z sometimes, it would delete the line you were working on without any way to undo
we'd always hassle him for it
and his pre-test question sheet was always exactly the same as the actual test
 
I wish my professors wrote anything let alone an IDE...
 
7:48 AM
@Chris Did he write it in JS? Or did he write it for JS?
 
@Bálint nah it felt like a native Windows app
 
@ChrisMcFarland When was this? Atom feels like a native app, but it's made in JS
 
This was in 2003
 
Then probably C(++)
That's nice
 
8:03 AM
yeah, the teacher knew his stuff, he was pretty old
Teaching is sort of a weird profession
the skill you know, you're not using it in a corporate environment
maybe you used to, but don't anymore
or maybe you've never worked with it in a commercial job sense, but know enough about it to teach the basics to others
 
That's like teaching how to ride a horse without ever riding a horse in your lifw
 
Easy get on it and yell Heeyaah
 
Which degree do you have?
 
Never rode one before
 
8:09 AM
teach me
@jgallant you wake up pretty early eh
4am?
 
Yah
 
5
I'd sleep more but the world needs me
 
Isn't it hard to get a job after you get out of university with an IT based degree? You probably learn outdated stuff.
 
Cemu is stating they fixed mostly all breath of the wild bugs
Only issue is performance now.
 
8:13 AM
I had no problem with finding web work
just showed employers what I could do for personal projects
hired me up quick
 
I was hired before the current downfall in the market
 
I've gotten a couple offers from gamedev companies here in NZ too in recent months
 
Jobs are being more and more diluted with people
 
Sooner or later there won't be enough to go around
 
8:17 AM
My country needs 30k IT engineers
This number haven't changed in the last 7 or so years
 
Yeah because all your skilled workers are coming to US and Canada
 
in NZ, not uncommon to immigrate IT people into the country, shortage here for sure
@Bálint What country are you in?
 
@ChrisMcFarland Hungary
 
ah yes
 
8:24 AM
@jgallant Pretty much. And also, 4/5 of the jobs are underpaid, close to the minimum wage (which is $300 here)
 
how is the employment rate? we're heading towards a national employment crisis :|
 
There are too many jobs
Everyone and their grandma wants to have a startup
 
heh, latest estimates put our unemployment rate at 10-15%
at least you got jobs however underpaid :P
 
Hungary's is lowen the EU average, around 3-5%
In '89 the country changed system from communism to what today is. Then the unemployment rate was 0%
 
8:31 AM
I'd prefer communism to be honest, at least I'd have a job / purpose...
 
They literally made sure everyone had a job, even if that meant making some people sit around doing nothing for 8 hours
 
Your purpose in a communist world might be cleaning up shit
 
What would happen if you didn't go? Jail?
 
I applied for cleaning up shit. I wasn't hired...
 
Lol
I'm a code janitor
 
8:34 AM
@Chris exactly
 
Literally clean up shit
 
That would be considered a clean job compared to what I applied for :|
 
I think I go out to England when I finish the university, it'd be nice to get actual money for my work
 
You are not alone
Worse part is because so many people are unemployed a lot of people are desperate which drives wages down
35k starting salary for developers here
That is fucked up
 
Employers here think "everyone can learn programming, if you don't want to have the job, then someone else will"
 
8:36 AM
Yeah, we have a minimum wage set and that instead drives unemployment up and people to be worked to the bone (your work hours is 8hrs per day but you work at least 10 and work most holidays from home)
 
@jgallant Per what? Year? Moth?
 
my hosting provider sent me a letter to stop spamming ;( and that is only after 20k emails smh.
 
Year
 
35k canadian money ?
 
Yes
 
8:37 AM
That's not really good I think
 
Min wage here gets you about 21k/year
 
so that is like 47705 BGN. Common starting salary in lets say VMware here is 48000 BGN
 
Not is is extremely bad
 
Starting salary here is about 7-8k canadian dollars per year
 
8:39 AM
minimum wage is about 500/month
canadian dollars (for comparison ofc)
 
They evaluated my house value at 1/4 million dollars
 
our economy and money is going to shit and people have been voting for the same party for over 15 years... I'm just watching the whole country burn down at this point and trying to get out :|
 
@JohnHamilton were you at ?
 
250k for a house is pretty low around here
 
Turkey
 
8:40 AM
And I have 1100sq feet
No idea how the fuck you are supposed to get a house with the salaries they give
 
things seem to be getting pretty bad in tyrkey at the moment
 
Minimum wage is 5k in canadian dollars here
 
@jgallant by becoming a slave to a bank
 
4k in USD
 
oh yeah, they're now in the process of proposing a governmental style that is against the constitution
 
8:42 AM
I bought my house 11 years ago
For 130k
 
the constitution states that we're a republic, they want a presidency...
 
100k value in 10 years is massively fucked up
 
That's amazing
 
It indicates a problem
 
That usually happens if your house suddenly gets in the center of the city
 
8:46 AM
Housing has just gone up ridiculous amounts in the past 15 years
 
We have a street here just down the hill, the houses on one side are worth twice as much automatically as the houses on the other side, because they lie in different districts
One side is "closer" to the city
 
There is a street in a adjacent town here that only drug dealers live on it
Just driving up and down that street you will more than likely get pulled over by cops
Why the fuck you pulling me over get a warrant and arrest the sellers you fucken stupid assholea
 
You are easier to arrest, they can't hurt themselves
 
9:05 AM
this new fedex scam is getting bothersome lol
 
I solved FPS map balance.
 
Oooh, what'd you do?
 
Put a fat guy at the northern most part of the map?
 
the key to my method is splitting the map into appropriate zones
 
long-range, med-range, short-range combat areas?
 
9:15 AM
then the zones become the vertices of a graph, and you draw a few sets of edges: edges that represent being able to walk between zones, and edges that represent being able to shoot from one zone to the other
then you model your game as a differential equation and evaluate it with the finite element method
you still have to actually fix the balance issues, but it finds them for you
 
Just use zombies and you can just say zombies are stupid
 
I don't have a short and sweet way to explain cutting into zones, that's what the hard part to figure out was
Because sometimes you can have a wide open room but you need to cut it into multiple zones to get a good model
 
lol spawn all the players on a plane
 
9:19 AM
"no bullshit. at all."
 
randomly put walls between them
"it's all random, so you can't blame us for a bad map"
 
"don't like it? make your own game"
 
the differential equation part sounds hard but it's really not, it's a very intuitive type of thing there, it just must be described with math and the DE was the convenient way
it just has to account for flow of players and flow of damage
(like if you use classic "clip" reloading, you'll want to separate the variables for ammo and ammo in the clip, since they have a pretty strong effect on the model)
 
could you make a dynamically-changing map that changed/expanded every round based on what the players did previously?
like if players were camping in certain areas, next round make that area more out in the open or add certain paths into it
 
9:23 AM
that would be pretty fucking awesome
 
Or seriously annoying
Learning maps is part of the fun.
 
it would be awesome if it worked right :P
I should probably mention that I'm imagining it with a huge restriction: It would be blocked from changing the overall flow of the map
 
restrictions???? gahhhhh
hedonism bot does not like restrictions
 
I'm excited because I had sortof put this idea on the backburner not sure if it could work, but then today something clicked and I grabbed a piece of paper and solved "fy_snow" by hand with the new zone splitting rules
 
on paper doesn't mean it will work in practice.
 
9:30 AM
then I built a map of it and let bots run around on it and took measurements that agreed with my solution
 
hedonism bots?
 
put it up on greenlight, make a game!
 
greenlight is dead.
BREAKING NEWS. life is hard.
want coffee, but don't feel like going out.
This conundrum would easily be solved with an assistant.
 
clone yourself
 
I'm working on a game! Not the main game I really want, but something that can be done a lot sooner.
 
9:32 AM
@MickLH <3
 
as long as your game is SJW friendly i have no problem with it
 
The formula for what I'm working on right now is basically to shamelessly ram halo and cs feels together
and fix all the things I complain about
 
Bring HALO to PC.
i don't need to play your game if they do that.
 
they already tried
 
oh man you call that trying?
 
9:36 AM
lol I didn't have a stronger word
I didn't want to say "failed"
but you know...
One simply plays Halo on Xbox
 
did you see how much patreon support the cemu team got since BotW release?
 
that's a lot
 
That's kinda ridiculous. It better outperform the Wii U very soon or else they are blowing the money and not giving a shit
 
Yeah I don't think they will be able to upgrade the native resolution
but upscaling might be interesting
ugh bbs coffee time. FML!
 
I'm just saying, if there's still any reason to use a real Wii U next year then the patrons got ripped off lol. For that kind of development budget you can get a lot done
I have low hopes though, because at work I'd usually end up having to dump several people before things really get cooking properly when I get a new team to work with
 
9:42 AM
@Mick BotW is the last title for Wii U
They killed it
 
Hence it being a rip off if there's still any reason to use a real Wii U next year
At first I considered: Well nintendo could release new gimmicks for it
 
The thing with consoles is that they're expected to have an end-of-life
whereas desktop and mobile is forever
I dunno if that's down to the tech behind making things for consoles though - depending on the console
ideally the dev ships and deploys to everything, making the console excitement somewhat negligible, unless you go for an exclusive release
it's a weird ecosystem for first-party support I'd say
 
@MickLH what kind of heretic suggests playing a first person shooter on a controller =p
 
they shot it in their back office
amberlamps came "wiiiii-u wiiiiii-u"
 
9:57 AM
Is there a way to choose an SE to migrate to other than SO?
 
think that's defined by the higher-ups. maybe make a meta post asking to add other stackexchange options to the migration flow
 
I wanted to
 
did you know there is a "software recommendations" se?
Everytime I look, there seems to be more and more ridiculous SEs popping up
 
@KevinvanderVelden Well Halo... you know... it's basically street fighter 3D
 
I knew, there's going to be a secret societies in the future
 
10:03 AM
also Halo felt like shit on PC, mismatched physics and graphics fps and no smooth interpolation to make up for it. it appears to really be best experienced barely choking along at 30fps with everyone on nice and slow wireless controllers
 
probably would have felt better if Microsoft didn't buy out Bungie back in the day :)
was gonna be Mac/PC but then money happened
 
I always wonder about that. What is the world that went the other way like lol
IIRC it was gonna be an RPG, not an FPS also
 
yeah, the entire game series would have been completely differnt
could have been a better, or worse game
Only rick and morty know for sure
 
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Q: Migration options

BálintThere's an option in the flagging menu called "This question belongs to a different stack exchange site" where you can choose in which SE the question should be migrated to. Currently you can only choose stack overflow, but there are many more SE sites questions can belong to: Computer Graphic...

Anything you'd add?
 
if budding developer needs some nuturing, send to gardening.stackexchange.com
 
When licensing a game goes wrong.
 
oh man Titus
 
lol I didn't remember that game at all so I looked it up and I was thinking "man this looks like the worst game ever"
then you post that video :P
 
Warner Brothers apparently hated the shit out of them.
every single decision was micromanaged and challenged
Pretty cool video
 
10:30 AM
What do you think is the strangest SE site?
 
Its funny because I remember being excited for this game when it was announced
And I remember my friend had bought it and I played it at his house
And we couldnn't even beat the first level it was a fucken piece of shit game
 
this game was so bad
 
There was a lot of bad n64 games :)
 
man i remember glover, but I don't remember playing it
 
10:33 AM
was so bad that my friend and I took apart the cartridge to see if we could get the game to run without needing the plastic case
 
@Bálint Wait until people try to start up an Astrology SE
 
Actually, I mixed the 2, I thought's that's astrology
 
lol I remember some kid I knew was really trying to beat glover but I don't remember if he ever did
 
lol
 
it happens :P
 
10:35 AM
sometimes I'd come over and he would give me the controller and I'd play for a while and he would get frustrated at me for burning through the levels
 
Skeptics is technically a chemtrail SE
 
I actually kinda liked that it was a physics puzzle, but the way it felt annoyed me
 
the thing about chemtrails is that they could do it now
and people would be like "Dude its friggen steam you idiot"
 
skeptics SE has some strange font rendering going on, making my eyes hurt
 
ever heard of morgellons disease?
Morgellons (/mɔː(ɹ)ˈdʒɛlənz/) is the informal name of a self-diagnosed skin condition in which individuals have sores that they believe contain some kind of fibers. Morgellons is poorly understood but appears to be a form of delusional parasitosis; the sores are the result of compulsive scratching, and the fibers, when analysed, turn out to originate from textiles. The name was coined in 2002 by Mary Leitao, a mother who rejected the medical diagnosis of her son's delusional parasitosis. She revived it from a letter written by a physician in the mid-1600s. Leitao and others involved in her Morgellons...
 
10:38 AM
@ChrisMcFarland At least only your eye hurts, I once read through some questions and my head started hurtinf
 
haha
@jgallant ima have nightmares now
 
> Did Haj Amin al-Husseini tell Hitler to exterminate the Jews?
That' a question
 
if you look at conspiracy sites about this, there are pictures of people pulling out long fiber strands out of their arms
 
@Bálint That's sortof to be expected when communicating with common humans
 
I'm translating for a realtor and he's going to have a really big customer today, I'm gonna get a cut if all goes well so... Wish me luck? :D
 
10:42 AM
good luck
 
Good luck
 
Going out in public these days feels like seeing those people on SO who want to be spoon fed the program already written for them... except their questions are about life instead of programming, and they aren't just deleted immediately
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may your translations be whole and your cuts be wide
@MickLH LOL
that's gold
 
you should try electro shock therapy
 
lol I took a 10,000 volt shock before does that count?
 
10:48 AM
@MickLH try it on them lol
 
depends, what was the current/voltage ratio?
 
of course very limited current, since I'm still alive :P
 
@MickLH Did you die?
 
you should try to build up an immunity to current
 
lol
I'm pretty sure it was 30mA
 
10:50 AM
There's small tale here that a guy from the minority (a gipsy if you want to be exacf) wanted a dog that didn't eat, so he started "training" it
 
the human body may be as high as 100,000 Ohms
Wet or broken skin may drop the body's resistance to 1,000 Ohms
so let's say 20,000 ohms
 
Each day he gave it less and less food and was surprised that it died
 
using ohms law.
I = R / V
20000/ 10000 = 2 amps
 
I = U / R
 
I=V/R
 
10:52 AM
yeah
 
It' marked with a V there?
 
lol, so that is why all my leds are blowing up
 
but the transformer was current limited, if the full ohms law current flowed I'd be very dead lol
 
that is why you should never shave your dog in the bathtub
 
The moral of the story: don't lick transformators
 
10:54 AM
also that broken skin thing is no joke, it's actually really easy to kill yourself with electrodes that break the skin
 
militarize that shit
 
like in some media you'll see that stupid trope with the car battery and shocking the person on the nipples
 
shoot fully charged capacitors into people
 
@jgallant basically a taser?
 
^
 
10:55 AM
in reality you would feel nothing because of the high ohms, until it broke the skin on both contacts and then you'd die as soon as it conducted
 
yeah, but in a self contained bullet casing
 
@JohnHamilton noooo a tazer is current limited
it's like the opposite of a tazer
 
well one you throw at people instead of holding in your hand and sending electrodes
 
@jgallant or you know, use a bullet...
 
(also I thought about that and you'll want to just make it like a tazer)
 
10:56 AM
yeah, but this is a new kind of bullet that also tazes you to death as it kills you
 
naw naw, the taser is only limited by the law, we wanna fry people
 
if you added a capacitor to the output of a tazer, it would become lethal
 
This is a strange conversation
 
one question before I go out, is computer graphics se also relevant to shaders on Unity or are they more appropriate here?
 
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Q: Migration options

BálintThere's an option in the flagging menu called "This question belongs to a different stack exchange site" where you can choose in which SE the question should be migrated to. Currently you can only choose stack overflow, but there are many more SE sites questions can belong to: Computer Graphic...

 
10:57 AM
Did you know that if you get shocked bad enough, your chances of survival actually improve past a certain point
 
Man that feedbot is really fast
I only posted that an hour ago
 

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