Game Development

Alexandre Vaillancourt

12:00 AM

...debates about singletons :P

Jon

Snot

Sie

@Jon ?

Icy Defiance

@AlexandreVaillancourt does it really count as a debate if one side is objectively right, one side is using a different definition for the word "singleton" and is also objectively right, and everyone else is just trying not to lose the only design pattern they actually understand?

William Mariager

... I don't understand singletons :(

tkausl

How can you not understand singletons?

William Mariager

12:06 AM

Am I supposed to use static methods, and I supposed to have a static instance of the singleton? Who initializes it? When is it initialized? So many questions.

Jon

You don't need them

William Mariager

@tkausl Mostly a joke. As Icy pointed out, there are different definitions.

Sie

@IcyDefiance It's a stupid debate but still a debate.

I guess the question is when does a misunderstanding become a debate? Or does it ever?

Jon

The best part about having an opinion nowadays is that you can debate facts

William Mariager

Debating facts is no fun though. What you need to do, is find various fallacies and start using them all at once.

Ad Hominem the Strawman! Get them confused!

tkausl

12:11 AM

did i miss something? didn't see a discussion about singletons today

Jon

You missed a lot of things

Sie

@WilliamMariager What happens when you try to fight a strawman with a strawman then?

Strawman-ception?

Jon

That is an amazing question

William Mariager

I'm not sure @Sie. But I'd love to be spectator for that discussion :P

Sie

Well let's try it. Why does dirt not have the same rights as a a blade of grass?

William Mariager

12:15 AM

Well, obviously, grass grows on dirt, and since grass doesn't have a permit to carry the blade, it can't have the same rights by association.

Jon

Mudglops love wet dirt. In their society dirt has much more value than grass. In fact grass us shunned upon as it prevents mudslides

William Mariager

I read that as mudbloods and imagine this right out of some Hogwarts Book of Muggleborn Facts...

Sie

So the grass is allowed to use the dirt without repercussions? Well what dos the dirt get in return? The grass should have to pay taxes for using the dirt.

Well wait. If we own the property should grass have to pay the taxes, and then the taxes that the dirt gets go to us?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

12:30 AM

@IcyDefiance :P

Sie

Anyone else ever feeling this room becomes too much of a distraction? Usually I just leave it idle even when I leave but sometimes I get too engrossed in it.

NaCl

12:53 AM

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by StackedCrooked

Users have been surprisingly nice up until now. Can't recall any hacking attempts.

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by StackedCrooked

Except when I first announced it in the lounge

Sie

@NaCl Context?

NaCl

@Sie coliru.stacked-crooked.com

Sie

Dead link.

NaCl

Not really

Sie

Prior to the edit it was. Now it is working.

NaCl

12:56 AM

:P

Sie

Anyone here have experience developing horror games?

Icy Defiance

trying to use xamarin with visual studio to make a cross-platform thing. not a game or anything, just a basic form for some data entry.
it's horrible.

so far I've compiled the template and changed the "Welcome to Xamarin" string and I already hate it.

when I changed the string and tried to run the program, it didn't recompile that file. and I can't rebuild that project either. I had to clean the whole damn solution and rebuild.

plus F12 to go to definition just doesn't work in that file. no idea why.

intellisense doesn't work either, except for things defined in that file.

Sie

1:14 AM

@IcyDefiance Why do you like hurting yourself?

Icy Defiance

well I need some cross-platform solution for a potential contract. xamarin seemed like a good thing to try first.

maybe xamarin studio will be better. microsoft doesn't want me to use that on windows, but monodevelop still forwards to a working copy.

user4704

Xamarin Studio is like a poor man's Visual Studio, but it's probably better than trying to use them both.

user4704

All that introp between them is pretty new and likely quite buggy. :\

Sie

Xenko looks very cool but that license looks like garbage.

"Using the official releases, you can distribute your game without disclosing the source code, but you're not allowed to modify the engine code.

By compiling Xenko yourself, you're allowed to modify and compile the engine but you must distribute all the source code with your game."

xenko.com/features/licensing

Almo

wow shit

Alexandre Vaillancourt

1:22 AM

The source code of xenko, I assume. This is like GPL

err

no

MickLH

@Sie Yes.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Or is it?

NaCl

@AlexandreVaillancourt It's not

GPL doesn't tell you to distribute the source with your game

Almo

gpl is if you use it you must give source to YOUR work and release it under GPL as well

NaCl

yep, or any gpl compatible license

like Apache

Almo

1:24 AM

Apache is GPL-compatible? I thought Apache was looser

MickLH

@Sie A particle effect is an abstract concept. It represents an entire family of techniques, including ways nobody have discovered yet. "Particle effect" is an extremely generic term.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

> Most of Xenko source code is released under the GPL v3 License (unless otherwise stated), a few specific parts (stated explicitly in the source header) being released under MIT, CPL or Apache 2.0, usually matching the license of an original contribution.

> It means that if you are free to build and modify Xenko source code and use it in your game, but you must publish the source code of your game, as well as any changes to Xenko that you might have done (as per GPLv3 license).

NaCl

@Almo gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

Almo

ok right

thanks

NaCl

"By compiling Xenko yourself, you're allowed to modify and compile the engine but you must distribute all the source code with your game." this is a real bummer

MickLH

1:27 AM

@Sie Billboards otoh, are a common implementation of particle effects. Particularly one that can efficiently isolate and modify the pixels you're targeting with a beam like that, because it can use hardware Z-buffering, hardware accelerated interpolation over space, and has a good path forward for anti-aliasing and polish like that.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@NaCl Yeah, that's intense.

Sie

It's really a shame. Xenko looked very promising.

At least theirs Wave Engine. However again their license (not really one that I can see) is questionable...

"One thing I don’t really understand, nor could I find a good source on, is the business model here. Besides the splash screen, there are no real costs or requirements when using this engine. There is currently no value add or upsell version, so I don’t understand where the company is making their money. For non-open source projects, that is always a huge question mark in my head when evaluating an engine.

Companies ultimately need to make money to continue development, so this is certainly a huge question mark. So they either use this engine for their own development and release it to others for altruistic reasons, or something is going to change." - gamefromscratch.com/post/2015/10/05/…

Here is there LA for anyone curious: pastebin.com/MSxgyX0v

Icy Defiance

1:59 AM

okay xamarin studio is somewhat better. at least F12 works there. but it uses google's android emulator that takes months just to boot. too lazy to figure out whether I make xamarin studio use microsoft's emulator.

PearsonArtPhoto

2:23 AM

The OP hasn't even upvoted the text anti-aliasing bug in Unity... Sigh. issuetracker.unity3d.com/issues/…

Sie

How can you tell?

PearsonArtPhoto

Well, I voted once, and someone from this room did. That means I know who voted, and none of them were the OP.

BTW, if anyone with a Unity account wants to help me out, it'd be nice to upvote that...

Sie

sec

done

PearsonArtPhoto

:-)

Icy Defiance

4:09 AM

holy shit I just opened visual studio/xamarin again to see if I could deal with not having intellisense in that one file...and now it works. wtf.

I restarted visual studio twice and my entire computer once and it still didn't work after all that, but now it does, for no reason at all

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