Game Development

i told them not to name the character "Madamoiselle Fripouille" because the main audience would not speak French, and would have no clue how to pronounce it. But the other two involved were French-speakers, and didn't agree.

Simon

Alright, alright, I'm sorry.

@Almo You're a fripouille.

Jon

I'm french, so it reads fine to me

kalina

@Simon that's one of the few times that you've said that and it's made sense

Fuzzy Logic

if they don't speak french, does it matter how it's pronounced?

Simon

7:21 PM

I'm French Canadian so Jon is a donut to me.

@kalina Does that mean that I'm starting to make sense?

Jon

you are a timbit

MickLH

Is there a way declare a virtual field with only an indexer in C#?

Simon

@Jon A glazed one?

kalina

@Simon let's not get ahead of ourselves

MickLH

Or do I have to make an inner class just to make a field with an indexer?

Simon

7:21 PM

Are you Montréal you donut lord?

Jon

an indexer?

DarkHyudrA

madamoiselle is someting like madam right?
I heard that already, can't remember where

Fuzzy Logic

you have to make a class

Jon

ICollection?

MickLH

I wanted to make a convenient interface to a picross game, so I thought 2D indexer

Jon

7:22 PM

I meant IEnumerable

Simon

Are you sure that you didn't mean IDonut?

kalina

I,Robot

Jon

sorry i read you were trying to make a class at first

Almo

@DarkHyudrA it's like "Miss" So it's aimed at an unmarried woman. (I think).

Jon

I'm still not sure what you mean by indexer

Simon

7:23 PM

@Almo Yep.

Jon

just use an array

Almo

Madame is like Mrs.

Fuzzy Logic

@MickLH you want myObject[x] or myObject.field[x]?

MickLH

the latter, I didn't want the picross game object itself to have the indexer

but instead game.Cell[x,y]

I could use an array but I feel like C# is a getters and setters language lol

Jon

int[,] Cell;

you only really need a bit for your data

MickLH

7:26 PM

fuckit! I'm gonna do it in my usual style, I hate setters and getters anyways, I think they mislead the programmer into doing expensive things without realizing it

Simon

@kalina Help me stalk Jon to find out if he's from Montréal please.

Jon

why are you interested in me?

Fuzzy Logic

C# encourages properties (getter/setters) but it's not required

Jon

Correct. I personally don't use them that often.

MickLH

I actually dropped setters/getters from my language

Jon

7:27 PM

They are convenient though.

MickLH

Though I did something that makes life just as convenient

DarkHyudrA

getters and setter can prevent shit from happening, I really like them

Simon

@Jon None of your business.

Jon

I think he is reffering to auto-properties

int Health { get; set; }

Fuzzy Logic

I like C# properties but getters/setters are usually more of a pain than a help

Jon

7:28 PM

If you know you are not going to mess with the data when setting, these are great

Fuzzy Logic

just a lot of extra code for no real gain

Jon

yeah, in C# 5 they added a lot of features to them

DarkHyudrA

well, if you're the only coder, getter and setter is pretty pointless

it's just more code for nothing

MickLH

you guys they can be amazing, they just need to be used properly

Jon

you still need to protect your vars

Fuzzy Logic

7:29 PM

not quite true, the point is to decouple the code

Simon

Protection is important, kids.

MickLH

I have created entire interfaces based on setters and getters, they can be wonderfully intuitive and simple to use

Jon

Right, the point was to make it fast to write private var foo; public var Foo {get;set;}

and in most cases you end up having to add crap to the code to do the same

the get;set; written out completely i mean

@Simon I am not in Montreal

If I was, me and Almo would be hanging out playing rocket league tonight

Simon

@Jon I see.

kalina

@Simon sigh

Simon

7:33 PM

Are you a suburban maniac?

Jon

It doesn't take a heck of a lot of work to determine where I live

If you are in IT sec, you are pretty shitty

Simon

@kalina It's ok, you can go back to doing absolutely nothing.

Jon

I have an extensive background in IT security

kalina

@Simon I never stopped doing nothing

Jon

I used to run a 300+ prod server farm for the federal government

kalina

7:34 PM

you know I'm not one for internet stalking

Simon

@Jon Here's the thing: I'm at work and I'd rather do something else than stalk you so I was trying to abuse kalinuh to do it.

Jon

Thanks for opening up to me man.

Fuzzy Logic

@MickLH yes, they serve their purpose well but they tend to be overused

MickLH

I like that quality in things

Simon

@Jon Sounds like you're being sarcastic.

Garan

7:36 PM

Getters and setters allow you to do things like "whenever this is changed, make sure that this also happens"

Simon

Don't make me kick your ass, Jon.

MickLH

@kalina So it's really ok, I promise

Jon

@Garan yup. the issue i'm talking about is with auto properties.

Simon

@Almo Are there monthly game dev meetups/talks in the Montréal area?

Jon

auto properties are supposed to save time.. but when you need to make a change.. they suck.

kalina

7:37 PM

@MickLH so what's ok?

MickLH

Literally anything, that's sorta the point of "unconditional"

kalina

sorry I don't know what you're talking about, I'm distracted by inserting food

MickLH

Just... don't get too killy, I usually get killy back

DarkHyudrA

a girl saying "inserting food", it's weird

Simon

Nah, girls always eat.

They're little porks.

DarkHyudrA

7:41 PM

you don't get me, which is good

Simon

I did get you, don't worry.

I know where you were hoping she's inserting it.

kalina

...

MickLH

@kalina Wait, there is one condition...

kalina

@DarkHyudrA I'm not sure how you can justify anything I say or do as weird, after hanging around in here for the last hour or so

DarkHyudrA

when I said weird it's because even in my mind I though it, doesn't mean I would hope that

there's a lot of better things to insert

MickLH

7:42 PM

@kalina You like Rick and Morty right?

kalina

who and who?

MickLH

The latest TV reincarnation of the lovable genius sociopath and his cute idiot assistant

kalina

I don't really watch TV

MickLH

Neither do I. I don't have a TV or cable service.

That's how much you should have seen this show already..

Jon

damn just lost at rocket league

kalina

7:44 PM

allow me to rephrase

MickLH

No need, I understand

kalina

I don't really watch TV shows or movies

MickLH

I am the same way

Jon

i haven't watch a TV commercial at home in 7 years

kalina

I prefer sound or interactive media

Jon

7:45 PM

TV service is seriously a fucken joke

you pay an incredible amount of money.. and they put commercials on top of everything?

Fuck the networks.

They can die a horrible dinosaur death. Long live streaming services without commercials.

DarkHyudrA

well you see

the internet one day was full of pop-ups and all the shit that was gross

Jon

Here is a question I have for every telecom company CEO out there. "Could you stand to make less money?"

MickLH

@kalina I prefer programming, or making music, or working, or sleeping, or almost literally anything other than watching TV. I can get bored of a TV show faster than a TV can turn on.

Jon

TV is for people that do not want to do anything

kalina

is not "making music" and "working" the same thing?

DarkHyudrA

7:48 PM

I think that the only thing I have fun watching on a TV is The Simpsons, and movies

MickLH

Actually programming is closer to working for me, but that's work programming

Jon

I can watch TV, but it is when I am done doing shit

MickLH

I have to take breaks from work programming and do fun programming sometimes

Jon

mmmhmmm

MickLH

Music I just do for the hell of it, if I get paid for music it's in the studio helping someone record or engineer

Jon

7:48 PM

like space taxi clones

DarkHyudrA

when I want to take a break from programming I play whenever shit is closest to me

MickLH

lol yes, and 16-bit emulators

Jon

jgallant.com/Prototype004/Prototype004.html

MickLH

do you know how much fun it is trying to statically recompile DOS executables?

Jon

oops

Space Taxi!

MickLH

7:49 PM

lol

Jon

I wrote this for the hell of it one day

kalina

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MickLH

lol

kalina

puke violently

Jon

jgallant.com/ChoppahGL

Try this one then

I haven't converted all my demos to WebGL yet

kalina

7:50 PM

now you're just trying to find my IP address

Jon

I didn't set up any honeypots

kalina

fine I'll change IP address

Jon

Nor do I want to haxor you

DarkHyudrA

he already have your IP

MickLH

I forced him to convert that one for me since I'm on Linux lol

FORCED

kalina

7:51 PM

"forced"

DarkHyudrA

asked gently*
FTFY

kalina

begged*

FTFY

Jon

I actually added a lot of stuff to that game.. lol

user4704

Needs more firey death animations.

Jon

if you don't save the people, they end up burning and jumping out the windows

DarkHyudrA

7:53 PM

needs people jumping from windows

Jon

lol hold on

user4704

How do you save the ones who have no path to the roof?

Jon

water

you make a path

user4704

Ah, right.

user4704

This was the game where you dump the wter from the chopper right?

kalina

7:53 PM

needs a random event of a plane crashing into the building

DarkHyudrA

I tried not to laugh to that

but I failed

MickLH

How do you convince the ones at the bottom to just go out the door and if they die it's their fault for fucking climbing up the fire where the heat goes when they could have just walked away

Jon

lol, i know right.. originally i was gonna have them go out the door

then I thought.. frig it i want them all to die

hold on making a gif

DarkHyudrA

@Jon much funnier

MickLH

Which makes sense in the general case... but then when their dying gets in the way of my winning we have a problem.

Simon

7:55 PM

@kalina Oh my goodness.

kalina

anyway that's enough internetting for me

I am going to go and do something else

bye o/

Jon

DarkHyudrA

play jon's game

user4704

nice

Jon

lol

MickLH

7:57 PM

I was pleasantly surprised to play it again actually, you fixed the exploit I used before lol

PearsonArtPhoto

That's actually pretty neat.

Jon

this is what I basically do for fun

write little prototypes like this.

PearsonArtPhoto

Don't we all?

Jon

i don't think so

MickLH

When I tried to use the physics glitch to fling my copter it sorta just tilted me over and sent my copter flying into a wall where it blew up

PearsonArtPhoto

7:58 PM

Okay, maybe not the little prototypes, but make games...

Jon

takes quite a bit of skill to get to this point, lol :P

Garan

WHICH BUTTON IS WATER?

oh it is F

NOW I know.

sorry dude

7:59 PM

lol someone burned down everyone

Jon

I should update the web build .. but the helicopter pickup isn't coded in yet

DarkHyudrA

some people just want to watch the world burn and doesn't even ask the water button

PearsonArtPhoto

You could release games like that to something like Kongregate no doubt, and make a bit of cash.

See if they are popular at all.

Jon

I probably could release this particular game if I put some more work into it

PearsonArtPhoto

I know that the last 10% of releasing a game is the most boring, but...

Jon

8:02 PM

Yes, yes it is :)

Me and Almo can definitely attest to that this week.

I posted this in here a while back.. and no one told me it was wrong

Almo

@PearsonArtPhoto yeah big time

Jon

The overrated post about it: makegames.tumblr.com/post/1136623767/finishing-a-game

But everything in that article is true. Read it if you have not yet.

Almo

@Simon probably but I don't know about them

Simon

@Almo I see.

Almo

I know there's an android group (someone I know tried to get me involved)

Jon

8:08 PM

Funny or Die just released a 50 minute long video.. with Johnny Depp and Ron Howard

A documentary about Trump

funnyordie.com/videos/ad38087bac/…

Simon

Also one for iOS and Python but that's too localized for me.

Jon

It looks amazing -- gonna have to watch this one.

Almo

8:21 PM

Jon

8:38 PM

I think its the coke talking, but I think we are gonna need more coke.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Shovel more snow!

Jon

hahahaha

pissed a guy off on rocket league, took a screenshot, and it didnt' work

was hilarious

damnit

South Park and the Stick of Truth is on sale for 10$

I thought it was a pretty good game, right up to the point when the nazis come into the game

From that point on.. it is a shit show

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Haven't played yet; not sure I'll buy soon; gotta lot of game to finish first..

Jon

I am going to be getting their next one... it is going to be a hero based game

"The Fractured but whole"

stupid name

Also being made by ubisoft

which as of late, is a bad thing

Almo

8:53 PM

when was that ever a good thing

Jon

Assassin's creed Unity

Watch Dogs PC

pretty much anything ubisoft on PC

but honestly i'm overreacting

they are a pretty badass game pumping machine

Almo

You should go work there for a while.

MickLH

Half the fun of using a company is overreacting to their decisions

Jon

I would love to work there for a while.

As a gameplay programmer, get the XP in a place like that

for like.. 2 years

MickLH

Just give up one good prototype and powerlevel overnight

So what, ubi gets one good proto, you get powerleveled

Alexandre Vaillancourt

8:57 PM

Not sure I'd like to work there... looks like a factory job...

Jon

It is a factory job

All jobs are factory jobs

Unless you work for some random nice guy

MickLH

@Jon I had to write a text based picross GUI to test my code lol

Almo

he's right actually

Jon

@MickLH haha cool

MickLH

If it supported cursor keys, it would actually be playable

Jon

8:59 PM

heh, might as well finish her up then

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Jon Yeah, but some are more fun; those where you are more in control..

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