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12:00 AM
well now you've said "longer than I would think" I feel compelled to blurt out how long I'd think
while simultaneously being aware that I'll likely say something that doesn't match up with how long it actually took
 
Jon
if i had to guess in hours
hmmm
 
and then make some other snarky comment or /rolleyes comment which makes me look bad
 
Jon
800 hours
 
but then I'm also well aware there is a difference between building something that's well planned out and what actually ends up happening when feature creep and what not become a factor
oh that's only an "actual" month
I would have guessed 6 months in total
which is probably about right for 800 hours as a hobby
 
Jon
that is a wild guess though
this is the original prototype
xna
 
12:04 AM
see I don't even bother doing the Xs
 
Jon
i do :)
certain puzzles
 
that's like flagging in minesweeper
 
flag ?
oh
 
Jon
funny story.. the original prototype i wrote in XNA.. i did exclusively for my gf
the last few puzzles, were I L O V E Y O U
total gangsta move i'm tellin' you
 
well isn't she lucky
I wondered why there was suddenly a bunch of letters
 
Jon
12:08 AM
didn't you feel special :D
 
nop
 
Pip
@MickLH :D
 
Jon
U R N E A T
anyways, she loved it
totally do shit like that for your gf
 
doe she still play it though
 
@kalina I'm getting pretty jealous of you talking to Jon so much
 
Jon
12:09 AM
yes, she does, lol
she plays it all the time
#1 fan
 
I bet she'll play it even more with randomly generated levels and statistics
 
Jon
haha
i asked her about the statistics thing
she rolled her eyes and said no
 
@MickLH so what do you want me to do about it?
@Jon oh well
 
@kalina Well if I knew, I would have just told you to do it, not why
Actually I'm joking, I just missed all of you guys
 
@Simon left and is quite upset that I was chatting here
I don't know what @Simon's problem is
 
12:14 AM
@kalina SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
IF YOU WANT ME TO DO GAME DEV LEAVE ME ALONE
 
:D
I don't care what you get upto
 
Jon
lol oh my
 
what, that wasn't bitchy
 
@kalina Ok fine! I'll admit it... I was hoping you would just limit your friendship to being physically intimate and stop emotionally cheating on me
 
if I were being bitchy I'd add "just let me know if you ever actually finish anything"
but I'd never do that
@MickLH w...what?
 
12:15 AM
You wouldn't dare.
sighs
 
@Simon sighs
 
I have got some serious munchies and require subsistence
 
I'm hungry too and I ate dinner an hour ago.
 
Oh man that reminds me... it's almost 5 here, I'm gonna have to switch from uppers to downers
 
Jon
12:18 AM
lol
way ahead of you
 
4:20pm symbolic moment to switch brb
also, probably several pounds of marijuana just got incinerated in a mile radius from my current location
 
Pip
What?
 
Jon
when i was in high school, someone found a garbage bag full of weed in a ditch
 
@Jon lol you have your own subreddit
nuuuuuuurd
 
Jon
i have way too many when i was in high school stories
yeah, i used to run a gaming server service
from my basement
 
Pip
12:21 AM
Do you actually?
 
gaming server = compsec nightmare
 
Pip
Link?
 
Jon
i used to
t.jgallant.com
i had the best terraria servers
 
@Jon Did you ever get 3 stars on all Angry Birds Space levels?
 
I'm pretty sure Valve actually overtly gave up on securing their server, and just instruct admins to run it as a user with no permissions or in a jail shell, and to just kick game cheaters
 
Jon
12:23 AM
basically.. i would see people play on my main server.. like ants
hold on
example
so yeah.. i ran one of the top terraria servers for about a year
i communicated with the creators
 
@Jon yeah you're right about this
 
Jon
tiy was really cool for a while, then he just cut all communications
 
That still doesn't tell me if you've gotten 3 stars on all Angry Birds Space levels.
 
How bad of an idea is it to host your code in a google drive?
 
Jon
i was offered to host the starbound subreddit
but i was literally being divorced when he offered it to me
so i declined
 
12:26 AM
@hasherr Host to do what?
 
Just to store it there. For use on multiple devices.
 
Why not use Bitbucket? It's free.
 
Lol so is Drive
 
Jon
bitbucket is a version control system
 
But I can answer my own question for you: it's a fucking terrible, shit idea.
 
Jon
12:27 AM
aka git.
 
fuck git
 
Yes but you can actually do versioning on bitbucket.
 
Jon
does Drive do that?
 
Fuck git?!?!?
 
Jon
@Almo hjahaha
 
12:27 AM
Fuck Drive.
Fuck it to holy hell.
 
Pip
Git <3
 
I have returned from browsing the refrigerator
 
yeah git's a massive hassle
 
wb
 
@Almo How so?
 
Jon
12:28 AM
git is harder than it has to be
 
This is the 7th fucking time drive has fucked my code
every fucking time
 
Jon
but it deviates from traditional source control systems
 
pls who would use google drive as any form of source control
 
Jon
and that is why it is so complicated
 
for years and years I hasve never fucked up my source using perforce.
 
12:28 AM
"fuck git" -> "git fuck'd"
 
I wasn't using drive as a source control
 
using git once I fucked it up, and it took two people who knew git 15 minutes of commandline shit to fix it.
 
Jon
lol
 
who would use google drive for general storage
 
I was just using it so I wouldn't have to git pull every time I wanted to work on my laptop
 
Jon
12:28 AM
yeah :)
 
it's just too damned hard to understand
 
@kalina I think he means app hosting lol
 
Jon
I agree.. . git is too complicated
 
what do I know, I know nothing
 
Jon
but it is awesome at the same time.
 
12:29 AM
the nice thing about git is that you can just copy the directory and you have an instant backup
 
What on earth are you guys using for version control?
 
The nice thing about drive is
oh wait
 
then you can make whatever mistakes you don't want
 
Perforce
 
there isn't anything fucking nice about it
 
Jon
12:29 AM
bitbucket and github.
 
Pip
@Almo nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
I use P4 for my home projects.
 
Pip
I literally have had zero issues with git ever
 
@FuzzyLogic lol but if you need to make backups of your version control, I think something is fundamentally wrong
 
pure luck
 
you make backups because you don't know what your doing
 
Luck or actually knowing what he's doing?
 
Pip
Been using it for 5 years now
 
not all the time ^_^
 
Pip
@Simon both, probably :P
 
12:31 AM
I think git works completely in theory and for small projects in practice but where I've always had issues with every VCS is when multiple users are making diverging changes to something at the same time
though I haven't tried P4
 
Okay, I'm not talking about version control here. But does anybody back up their code on Google Drive?
 
git flow works pretty well
 
Pip
I actually have never had issues with that for robotics either
yeah, agreed
 
@hasherr Does anybody not?
 
Pip
@hasherr I have before
 
12:32 AM
You have a place where you can back up your stuff, why didn't you already copy it there?!
 
@MickLH How do you prevent your code from getting fucked up when one doesn't back up correctly?
 
You don't fuck it up?
 
I didn't do shit!
 
Damnit hasherr!
What have you done?!
 
@Simon luck
definitely luck :)
 
12:32 AM
Drive didn't update correctly and now I have all these duplicate files, none with any of the code I wrote today!
 
@Almo The first step to stop sucking is to admit that you suck.
 
@Pip ok thanks man
 
Pip
np
First blood, same as LoL I think
 
@Simon I have no problem with that. I'm the first to admit i have trouble with things I have trouble with. But I learned P4 very very quickly, and after going through tutorials on git, I still don't get it.
 
@hasherr ohhh don't let drive have access to your originals is why
 
12:33 AM
terminology is all goofy.
"checkout" means nothing of the sort.
 
git is definitely the most difficult to learn but it's also the most powerful and flexible
 
@Almo I'm just testing you by pushing your buttons.
 
@MickLH What?
 
@FuzzyLogic I can believe that Fuzzy
 
I haven't used git much; I really don't know if it gets messy in the long run.
 
Pip
12:34 AM
@Almo there's also "ownage"
> Ownage is when a team has a 5 or higher kill streak without any of them dying themselves. When someone dies, ownage ends.
 
@MickLH What does that even mean?
 
@Pip yeah basically the DotA designers think their audience like being treated like 3rd graders. ;)
 
@hasherr I mean, why the hell would a backup service ever have write access to your originals?
 
Pip
:P
 
12:35 AM
Backup programs, and write access should be mutually exclusive
 
Yes but I want them to sync from one computer to the other
So I can write on both.
 
Jon
you have to wait for it to end.
 
I fucking did.
 
that's great!
 
Drive failed on it's own.
 
12:37 AM
that track sounds like it is always slowing down.
 
@Jon Very interesting, and I agree.
 
Jon
agree with what ?
 
how much chuck chuck a chuck would wood if a chuck wood chuck would chuck?
 
The article is interesting you linked me a few hours ago.
I just happened to leave right as you left it for me, still interesting.
I agree with what it has to say.
 
Jon
ah yeah.
 
12:41 AM
I don't quite get your chopper game, BTW.
 
@hasherr I'm not blaming you... I'm just...
@hasherr its your fault for letting drive sync!!
 
Jon
wellllll... first of all, its choppah
 
Noted.
I've figured out how to fly the choppah, but that's about it...
 
Jon
and you wouldn't get it unless you are some crazy psycho.. so congrats
F to drop water
 
Jon
12:43 AM
hit blue to refill
 
@jon my wife's a trained opera singer, and that sound illusion was messing with her
 
Jon
phyisscally hit blue.
 
@Jon lol I was gonna say "I got it just fine"
 
Jon
@Almo sue the trainers
 
:)
 
12:43 AM
but I guess you guys call me those things, so now I don't know what to think about it
 
Jon
lol, but yeah
it is a very interesting loop
 
damnit curiosity is getting to me, I have to hear it for myself
 
Jon
if you play with it, you see what is going on
 
Shepard's scale.
 
Jon
ah is that the name?
yes it is
 
12:45 AM
You walk up chromatically while equalizing the sound so that only the mids come through
 
Jon
 
Your ear naturally goes to the bell curve in the middle and once you reach the octave, the first note is now the 2nd harmonic of the last note
 
Jon
i hear it in that one
 
Hmmm. F to drop water is the key, I would just have done that with the down arrow.
 
This happens at the end of Pink Floyd's Echoes.
 
Jon
12:46 AM
if you pay attention you can easily hear it in that loop i just linked
 
My android studio project is 0.5 of a gig
 
Jon
very cool
 
That is absolutely wrong, correct?
I don't mean like, that size is wrong. I mean like, it shouldn't be that big.
 
no, expect AS projects to be fucking massive
 
Half a gig massive?
I'm wondering if there's a leak somewhere
 
Jon
12:47 AM
that sounds excessive
 
if you're on windows and make d:/Git/Myprojects/SomeOtherFOlderName/MyProject, it may exceed the 261 character limit on windows filenames.
since it likes to subfolder tons of shit
so put it in like d:/projects/
 
Fuck. Should I copy the code, manifests, xmls and restart this shit?
 
I often turn the sound down while playing games, so...
 
@hasherr Always resist the re-write
 
It wouldn't be a rewrite.
 
12:48 AM
Until you restart
 
More like a re-fix it and don't let drive anywehre near it
 
Oh shit that
Yeahhhh don't give anything write access.
 
lol I don't know what that meaannnnsss
I didn't even know you could restrict write access
 
Might not be able to, but do it anyways
I literally don't even give the VCS write access
 
I'm just going to keep large projects out of google drive and in seperate development folders
 
12:50 AM
I sync git in a separate folder, then copy my current folder with a datestamp, then copy the new files from git over that manually
I do this with every single tool that can touch the code
It's really overly paranoid, but I've lost progress before. It only took once for me.
 
lol sounds like too much work
 
Yeah I guess re-writing projects randomly here and there is way easier
 
I'm just going to act as the intermediary between my two computers
Using git
@MickLH I meant that sounds like too much work.
 
you can have git automatically push to your other machine
requires some scripting though
 
I think the features of a VCS are worthwhile
 
12:55 AM
@FuzzyLogic Shell?
 
I just keep a backup of my latest developments manually apart from it...
 
@MickLH Understandable.
 
@hasherr yes, it's shell script
it's actually a git hook
here's more specific instructions: stackoverflow.com/questions/3583061/…
 
1:15 AM
@Fuzzy Thanks
 
 
3 hours later…
4:17 AM
iOS is nice... but we're hiding behind Unity and can't access this, I don't think
 
5:09 AM
...singletons...
 
 
1 hour later…
6:12 AM
hello guys
who is good here in glsl shader
 
 
4 hours later…
10:19 AM
good morning people
so... yesterday at the Unity course we were supposed to make a simple weapon to shoot simple bullets, and then we used a blank object child to the weapon to serve as start position: fine
then we used the basic velocity to make the cloned bullet actually move: fine
the problem is, it became a mess in my mind and I couldn't find myself the correct solution to actually make the bullet point at the direction the weapon was looking, and the instructor was too busy with people that got behind for w/e reason
 
Hello Gamedev
 
 
2 hours later…
Jon
12:07 PM
sup
 
12:26 PM
did you fix all the things?
did you did you?
I have an overwhelming desire to complete the Mass Effect series again today
that means I need to reinstall Origin
 
Jon
naw, i slept :P
 
well that's disappointing
sleep is for the weak
oh disaster, installing all three mass effects requires more space than is available on my games ssd
what on earth shall I do
deletes loads of games
 
Jon
12:47 PM
sleep is for babies
i hope work doesn't call me in for OT this weekend...
 
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