Game Development

kalina

6:00 PM

sir Jon with his diplomatic descriptions

Jon

lol thanks

kalina

@PearsonArtPhoto like microsoft bob?

MickLH

I miss bob

Jon

We should move this chat to a Microsoft Comic chat server

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, that kind of stuff.

MickLH

6:01 PM

Bob was my fuckin boy, we ride

Jon

Microsoft Comic Chat

Microsoft Comic Chat (later Microsoft Chat, but not to be confused with Windows Chat, or WinChat) is a graphical IRC client created by Microsoft, first released with Internet Explorer 3.0 in 1996. Comic Chat was developed by Microsoft Researcher David Kurlander, with Microsoft Research's Virtual Worlds Group and later a group he managed in Microsoft's Internet Division. Comic Chat's main feature, which set it apart from other IRC clients, is that it enabled comic avatars to represent a user; this character could express a specified emotion, possibly making IRC chatting a more emotive and expressive...

kalina

I don't need to, I already use Comic Sans as my chat font

Rоry McCune

@Jon I had forgotten about that

PearsonArtPhoto

retrojunk.com/article/show/3098/retroputing-packard-bell

Jon

This was when Comic Sans was created btw

PearsonArtPhoto

6:01 PM

Rоry McCune

@PearsonArtPhoto my first PC was a Packard Bell 286/12

MickLH

SkiFree was not fucking random!

Jon

Yeah, in the 90s, there was a lot of push, to try to make desktop virtual... kinda like that image

It was a complete waste of time

kalina

my first PC had multiple cores

PearsonArtPhoto

They were fine until the ones with Windows 95...

Jon

6:02 PM

My first PC was a commodore64

Roujo

@PearsonArtPhoto I was about to mention Microsoft Bob, but that's exactly what the article says =)

PearsonArtPhoto

My first was a generic 286.

MickLH

If the monster ate you in SkiFree, then you simply dun fukt up. It's a video game, not a "randomly the monster eats you" program. Fucking NOOBS!

Rоry McCune

@kalina you had a mult-core PC in the 80's .. impressive, did you know someone at IBM?

Jon

you could ski faster if you hit F

kalina

6:03 PM

@RоryMcCune pls I didn't even exist in the 80s

Jon

and effectively avoid the monster

Rоry McCune

@kalina sure you didn't, and you're totally not a trucker

DarkHyudrA

@kalina but you're supposed to be a 43 yo trucker

kalina

my biological creators hadn't even met in the 80s.

PearsonArtPhoto

I think when I was born there was an even older PC in our home, but it was gone before I was old enough to use a computer.

Jon

6:03 PM

gross...

Simon

ok bye new frandz

MickLH

See you around!

PearsonArtPhoto

Wow, I feel old now...

kalina

woo, @Simon has left

everybody ping him lots

Rоry McCune

@kalina pls

kalina

6:04 PM

@Simon

@RоryMcCune you can't pls me

Rоry McCune

@kalina how rude!

MickLH

oooooooh

fuckin buuuuurrrnn son

DarkHyudrA

that's subjective

Simon

@MickLH It's ok, the history says you were nice to me.

ok bye

MickLH

lol, I was

kalina

6:05 PM

@Simon ping

MickLH

I'm a nice guy, to everyone, all the time.

kalina

@Simon bye

@Simon hello

@Simon you left?

Jon

Man... this chat really went downhill today

kalina

@Simon Somebody mentioned you in Game Development and you're not currently in this channel

@Jon you know I'm not entirely sure how I ended up here today

I am going to blame @Simon

DarkHyudrA

Should I say that it's @kalina fault?

PearsonArtPhoto

6:05 PM

We had a 286, then a Packard Bell Pentium, then my dad scored a 486 with monitor for $250, I think in 1997 or so.

Simon

I guess I'm gonna have to silently leave eventually.

PearsonArtPhoto

I used the 486 a fair bit...

kalina

@DarkHyudrA I already blamed @Simon

it's @Simon's fault I came in here

I know you guys like your 15 minutes of silence between messages

Simon

You got here because someone flagged "Sup nerds" and I decided to come and call you nurdz.

kalina

So I try to be here sparingly so the migraine can dissipate after I've left

MickLH

6:06 PM

@Jon You of all people know this chatroom is a gradient descent algorithm

kalina

@Simon Oh so basically these guys flagged a message in here?

Jon

I sometimes contribute to the descent

kalina

that's basically entirely their fault then

Simon

I agree.

MickLH

@kalina You really missed it yesterday

kalina

6:07 PM

@MickLH well I don't really Stack Exchange all that much

even less than last time I said that

sometimes I completely disappear for weeks at a time, and now frequently disappear for several days at a time

MickLH

I got into popcorn-level heated discussion yesterday with a friend of mine and then pulled the standard sociopath move on him when he showed his anger lol

Rоry McCune

@kalina s/much/was the top scorer on arqade last year/

kalina

whereas before I was omnipresent and whatnot

Simon

rekt

kalina

@RоryMcCune look, if I can be the top scorer on Arqade last year from 5 weeks of activity, that's not me who should be embarrassed.

MickLH

6:08 PM

@Lasse!

Jon

Are Quad

that is how i read it

MickLH

~~You've been quiet lately @Lasse, college got your tongue?~~

Lasse

@MickLH Mick!

Jon

His tongue works....

kalina

@Simon you can't leave yet

no matter how silent you leave, @Simon, I will notice

Simon

6:09 PM

@kalina FINE FFS

Lasse

nah, I've just been busy and tired

MickLH

Wait, wait! What if he didn't even type that with his tongue...

Jon

wait, he has hands????

Must be nice.

Lasse

I code with my toes

MickLH

~~Well he could, who knows~~ I guess we know now

Jon

6:09 PM

i use a mix of toothpicks, spoons, and leftoverstraws

MickLH

You noobs need to learn butterflies

Jon

I keep the goodstraws for drinkin'

that some kind of exercise?

Lasse

you guys going to GDC?

Siddharth

hi, I need your help in this. if anybody from available know about unity game engine then definitely can help me

Jon

Yeah, with my piles of money

Siddharth

6:10 PM

forum.unity3d.com/threads/…

MickLH

@Lasse I wish lol, my software is nowhere near ready for that

Siddharth

this post defines my requirement completely

Lasse

@MickLH yeah neither is ours, that's why we're crunching and I've been quiet

Jon

is that you?.

Lasse

unity forums has been really slow today

MickLH

6:12 PM

@Siddharth are you looking for the ArcBall algorithm?

Siddharth

not I just want to restrict object movement to z rotation

I want to allow player to drag model in x and y rotation

Jon

so... Rotate the angle, but lock the Z axis.

Fuzzy Logic

@Siddharth you need to save the z angle before applying your rotations, then reapply the z-angle

it's not always going to be 0

MickLH

I think I'm over-complicating the issue lol

user4704

@Lasse I generally think GDC is a waste of time and money.

user4704

6:14 PM

So no.

Lasse

@JoshPetrie Why is that?

Siddharth

@FuzzyLogic, I want to set z rotation to 0

user4704

@Lasse The conference is insanely expensive.

kalina

hey @Simon, I saw you leave

Fuzzy Logic

set it initially to 0, when you rotate, it will not always be 0

user4704

6:15 PM

Most of the talks are not that appealing and tend to be available later anyhow.

user4704

And I don't think it's a very useful networking opportunity since it's packed with people who are, for better or worse, noise.

Siddharth

@FuzzyLogic, whether I need to save last frame z rotation?

Lasse

Well I don't have to pay anything, so it's all free for me.

MickLH

@Siddharth can you explain in simpler terms what you're trying to achieve, it's hard to imagine what "Z" even is in a vacuum, without more information @Jon and @FuzzyLogic have fully answered what can be answered

Fuzzy Logic

@Siddharth sorry, wasn't very clear. When you rotate on the other axis, it's applied as a quaternion, which affects all axis, so z = 0 is not what you want

kalina

6:17 PM

Ok bye again everybody o/

DarkHyudrA

@JoshPetrie most of the content, although not in video form, goes to the website no?

Lasse

So much people. Did I miss something?

Jon

A fake girl was here

Lasse

oh

DarkHyudrA

so good that she left

user4704

6:18 PM

@DarkHyudrA Yeah.

user4704

Lots of it at least.

user4704

And usually I find one or two of the talks out of all of them have any substance anyhow.

Siddharth

@FuzzyLogic,you are right about this

forum.unity3d.com/threads/…

Jon

jesus christ... watched fuller house trailer

Siddharth

object is rotated in wrong direction and looking completely weird

Jon

6:19 PM

stephanie starts off with both her tits out

Fuller house alright

kalina

fine, I'm back, he made me

DarkHyudrA

oh noes she's back

Siddharth

@MickLH, I want to rotate my object through horizontal and vertical swipe

@MickLH in this x and y rotation is necessary

MickLH

@kalina you're welcome

kalina

@Jon how very rude

Siddharth

6:20 PM

but z rotation also get affected

and I want to restrict this z rotation

kalina

23 hours ago, by Jon

If you can't explain to me how to make the next blockbuster MMORPG, then you are a idiot, and I will find someone else.

@jon is that a real question ^

I know the answer to that question

Jon

You need to get to know me I guess.

kalina

After spending a significant portion of time playing various MMOs

DarkHyudrA

someone explain to she what sarcasm is

kalina

basically what you want is a RPG with proper FPS combat

Jon

6:21 PM

You play games... I make games.

Lasse

@kalina yeah, and I've seen quite many photoshops in my life which makes me expert in photoshopping

kalina

@Jon thus, I'm definitely more in tune with what makes a good game

MickLH

@Siddharth Can you just use horizontal and vertical scalars to rotate around unit vectors on your desired axes?

Jon

You most definitely are.

kalina

but FPS is definitely the way to go, to get all of those call of duty fanbois

Jon

6:22 PM

Unfortunately, a good game is subjective.

kalina

but cyberpunk setting with laser rifles

MickLH

@kalina ok provide the artwork

DarkHyudrA

a sucessful game doesn't mean a good game to me

kalina

I can't draw

MickLH

that's ok just provide it anyways

kalina

6:23 PM

I could do stick figures if you want

Jon

can you make fart sounds?

DarkHyudrA

there a lot of blockblusters AAA games that I'll never play even for free

kalina

but I'm not sure what you'd achieve with that

Jon

immersive gameplay

kalina

@Jon sure I can synthesize such noises

Jon

6:24 PM

synthetic farts are no match to the real thing

kalina

immersion is so important, I don't even bother with games that don't provide convincing immersion

Jon

TRUST ME

MickLH

@kalina I'd achieve having the artwork for the game

Lasse

If I was playing a game with fart noises, I'd like them to be realistic noises

Siddharth

@MickLH, please check my code, I have already written multiple version of code

forum.unity3d.com/threads/…

kalina

6:24 PM

and breaking immersion or pushing suspense of disbelief too far turns me off a game as well

so like, bringing me back to Tomb Raider

Jon

What could you contribute to a game?

MickLH

@Siddharth bhdhbfdfjbd maaaaaaaan pls not like this, give me some time

If you had to help.

music and sound

and feminism

6:25 PM

in the reboot we're told she's helpless

MickLH

which sells like fuck these days

kalina

but then she turns into a murderbot

Jon

bots cannot murder.

kalina

but in the first game there's the justification that she "has" to and that she's in a situation she didn't predict etc etc

in the second game, she went to siberia and then the game still wants you to care for the fact she's cold or she's dying

Jon

Murder must be done by a human being to be called MURDER

MickLH

6:26 PM

someone play the sound byte

Jon

a robot, technically, cannot murder

kalina

but this time it's entirely her fault

so why should anybody care?

Jon

I know I wouldn't

kalina

and the game teased survival mechanics but didn't include them until a DLC

MickLH

the sound byte!! jesus christ someone play it

kalina

6:26 PM

somebody has their money printing working

Jon

Milk Your Cows.

IP rule #1.

kalina

but the endurance dlc for rise of the tomb raider is probably the best part of the game

MickLH

how much AI does a bot need before its killing can be murder?

kalina

perma death and survival mechanics with just lara in the wilderness finding stuff before being evac'd

Jon

The act of murder, would then be tied to the person that programmed the machine.

kalina

6:28 PM

@MickLH once the Ai is able to make it's own choices

Jon

If the robot is truly 100% AI based and makes all of its decisions

Then he makes the rules

MickLH

Are we able to make our own choices?

kalina

who said it was a he?

Jon

And you best get the fuck out of the way

MickLH

Or does the environment influence us by some %

Jon

6:28 PM

I did.

Read it again.

kalina

I don't want to read it again

Jon

I bet you did though.

kalina

I prefer to just pick random words out of a sentence and then take offence to them as it's the most efficient method of creating drama

Jon

Should have written IT... I fucken apologize

Lasse

@kalina Here you go: var choice = choices[random.next(0, choices.count)];

kalina

6:29 PM

@Jon nope

Jon

too bad

MickLH

See I told you I'd hire jon for my studio, not just because he's a prototype workhorse, but because he keeps the ladies going long enough to get water without anyone noticing

Fuzzy Logic

@Jon its your bot, you can give it a penis if you want

kalina

@Jon I'm not even bothered, no need for the EXTREME SARCASM

Jon

I am quite the womanizer

kalina

6:30 PM

well you should know in advance that I am immune and will not tolerate your nonsense

Jon

The trick is to pretend like you give a shit about what they say

kalina

o rite I'll just talk to everybody except you then hmpf

MickLH

lol I've always been lucky because I can immerse into any topic on the spot

Jon

And no one will listen

Then you will come back crawling to me.

kalina

not a single person

probably not

MickLH

6:31 PM

idk it sounds kinda hot

Almo

Suddenly, the chatroom is moving very fast

kalina

since I'm not a fan of crawling all that much

MickLH

very bsdm-ish though

Jon

Naw, i'd probably not be interested in talking to you in real life though

I have shit to do

kalina

@Almo hardly, there are still messages from 2 minutes ago on the screen

DarkHyudrA

6:31 PM

@Almo @kalina's fault

Jon

@Almo you get that decription up?

MickLH

Guys everyone shut the fuck up srs bsns time almo is back

Jon

Also, did you submit to store, or just testflight?

kalina

@DarkHyudrA actually, first it was somebody's fault for flagging, and then it was @MickLH's fault for chasing me into the DMZ and begging me to be in here

Jon

LOL

Mick you sly dog

DarkHyudrA

6:32 PM

@kalina don't CYA, you didn't need to come

MickLH

lol I'm afk getting a pizza

I'll respond to that cleverly when I get back

I'm not using this time to think

kalina

@MickLH needs a prepared statement to get him out of this trouble

Almo

@Jon yup, it's there. waiting for Apple to review the app now

DarkHyudrA

he will probably read the chat eating the pizza

talking about Apple

Apple denied The Binding of Isaac because of "child violence" lol

Almo

They have a policy of no apps depicting violence against children. I can easily see how a bureaucrat could deny it on those grounds. I think they should reverse the decision though.

kalina

6:34 PM

gamers are a despicable lot

happily playing games in which children die

Jon

@kalina your a girl right?

MickLH

@kalina well some children really suck

Almo

not taking that bait

Jon

You like puzzle games?

kalina

@Jon you're*, and yes, not that it matters on the internet

yes, I like puzzle games

Jon

6:35 PM

shortcuts baby

do you have an android?

kalina

no I don't have an android as they're a bit expensive at the moment but probably within the next decade

Jon

do you have a phone?

kalina

I do have a mobile device running android OS though

Almo

jon always says your when he means you're.

he also says "should of" so beware.

Jon

fuck apostrophes

kalina

6:36 PM

and a mobile device running windows phone

Jon

i don't

MickLH

lol

Jon

do you want a copy of my game?

kalina

and a surface pro 4

Jon

I hear girls like it

kalina

6:36 PM

and a nexus 7

is that a ... what?

Almo

Jon you can get an MS dev acct for $20

you could get unity to build it for WP

kalina

"you hear girls like it"

what is this game?

Jon

I'm asking if you want a redeem code for my game

Picross Touch

MickLH

Guys this is why I risked everything to have @kalina back, she completes our playtesting demographic

Lasse

I like it even if I'm guy

MickLH

6:37 PM

You're welcome, I'm not in trouble :D

kalina

@MickLH blablabla

Jon

Seems to be an interesting number of women getting this game however.

MickLH

Interesting number you say? Is it constructible with compass and straightedge?

Lasse

Why is it interesting number? Female gamers are now the majority

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/…

MickLH

Because if it is... then it's mathematically of limited interestingness!

Jon

6:39 PM

I like numbers

sue me

MickLH

How?

DarkHyudrA

@Lasse only on the mobile platform

Jon

via the form on my website

This is you?

click sue jgallant

6:39 PM

@kalina lol, you got lured in to be a playtester

Lasse

@DarkHyudrA we're talking about mobile game here

Jon

me? that is not me, lol

kalina

@RоryMcCune pls I'm about to find out his home address and send a hit squad

MickLH

@RоryMcCune nice jelly too bad it's not accurate

little did you know, she got lured in to send me a hit squad! what now!!!

Jon

6:40 PM

it sec ftw

MickLH

oh wait

Rоry McCune

@MickLH nonono don't white knight in a chat room, it's too funny

MickLH

@RоryMcCune I do not white knight, ever

I just happen to be a knight, who is white

Jon

if i was black, i'd totally be a knight

kalina

@Jon I have watched a video of your game on youtube and have purchased it because I'm not cheap and don't need a redeem code.

MickLH

6:42 PM

@Jon I also happen to be a knight, who is black

Jon

just now?

Almo

We need more people like that

Jon

well... thank you

I was hoping to give you a free copy and get your feedback on it

as a fresh set of eyes

kalina

ffsmarkdown> €1 is basically "free"

Jon

Depends who you are -- You just allowed me to eat tomorrow

MickLH

6:43 PM

lol

oh fuck, I'm a bad person for actually laughing about that, god damnit

I love you jon

kalina

@Jon well, the amount of sarcasm you've thrown in my direction makes me doubt you're serious with this

Jon

I thought that is what you did

sarcasm

MickLH

I'm a good person because I love you, so suckit bitch

kalina

sure, I can sarcasm

Jon

I was just going along.

I think it got out of hand

kalina

6:44 PM

OMG YOU JUST BRICKED MY DEVICE NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo........

...

Jon

Told you to get the free one.

MickLH

it's a joke... it only pretends to be bricked while it uploads your personal info

DarkHyudrA

it's a ransomware

Jon

It says it doesn't require permissions

Because it knows how to backdoor you, install a rootkit, and steal your dna

MickLH

we actually had an in depth discussion, it has cool image recognition algorithms where it finds the most grotesque sexual images on your device first

it's an amazing datastructure that actually make a hierarichal notion of fetishes directly from the pixel data

Jon

6:46 PM

The point is to get paid... and I do that by ransoming your nudie pics.

Which is why I target women.

kalina

fortunately my opsec is so hardcore that such images don't exist

DarkHyudrA

we need to improve the % of the IA that actually finds the images

Jon

Drats!

kalina

have you played LYNE?

Jon

yes

Almo

6:46 PM

LYNE fucking rules

great game

kalina

this reminds me a lot of that in terms of layout until you get in game

then it reminds me more of microsoft excel

MickLH

oh! @Jon I came up with a solver for your game lol

Almo

Picross is a very numbery game

DarkHyudrA

it's simply (lots of) nonograms

Jon

Yeah, it is very excel like.. it is more of a sodoku style game

@MickLH did you really?

I wrote a shitty one...

Almo

6:48 PM

PseudoKu. :)

MickLH

There might be some ambiguous cases, but so far the algorithm has worked on everything I tried it on

it basically works by filling squares it can prove using other squares and the edge counters

PearsonArtPhoto

There are definitely some ambiguous cases...

Jon

what did you write it in?.

Almo

@PearsonArtPhoto :(

kalina

it's a shame you can't draw a in multiple directions without additional touches

Almo

6:49 PM

like the TV one

MickLH

I just hacked it around in my math program, didn't even save it

Almo

@kalina you can if you go to options and turn off the locks

MickLH

@kalina I think he did extra effort to limit it that way lol

PearsonArtPhoto

@kalina You can, it's an option.

Jon

@kalina like.. two lines at the same time?

kalina

6:49 PM

pls who even makes that an option

Almo

MULTI-TOUCH

kalina

pls who even goes in the options screen

Almo

I do

MickLH

hackers

kalina

I'm on like the 15th level already

Almo

6:49 PM

first thing most games I boot up

PearsonArtPhoto

I personally had a lot of problem of touching the wrong spot...

Jon

5x5 levels are really baby

Almo

I don't trust other people to make sensible control schemes

kalina

@PearsonArtPhoto most men do

MickLH

@kalina tss sss ss

Almo

6:50 PM

Every FPS ever has the dumbest keyboard controls.

Jon

I guess I could add multi-touch support

Lasse

@kalina tell us the secret

Jon

wouldn't be difficult

Almo

@Jon I don't think that's really necessary though.

Jon

You are the first person to actually ask that

kalina

6:50 PM

I didn't mean multi touch

Almo

I think it's more likely to be annoying getting accidental extra touches

kalina

I meant like on one of the early levels you basically do a square

MickLH

@Jon multi-touch support is the only way to make the game viable for the maximum competitive pro scene

Jon

ah... yeah remove Easy Slide

kalina

so I had to go down, then lift, then right then lift then up then lift

etc

Jon

6:51 PM

When you get to later levels.. that Easy Slide helps a lot

Almo

yeah, the 15x15 are unbearable on small screens without it

Jon

You can try both ways

PearsonArtPhoto

Even on my Nexus 7 it can be difficult...

Jon

Everyone that does, that I know of, picks it with easy slide on

Almo

Jon I expect apple to approve that app sometime this week. If not, then by monday most likely

kalina

6:52 PM

tiny fingers

Jon

it also works with Stylus

for devices that have it

Some guy tested it for me.. very cool of him

kalina

but I'm bored of it now

Almo

"Bored with"

kalina

that's my entire attention span just there

Jon

do you usually get bored like that?

kalina

6:53 PM

yes, that's nothing new

Jon

or do you think it sucks

DarkHyudrA

survey chat style

Almo

good question jon.

kalina

no I will play it again later when waiting for life to happen

like I would with LYNE

Almo

hahah :)

MickLH

6:53 PM

@kalina Also, you can't blame men because it's just too easy especially when things get slippery, you probably haven't had to experience the pressure of knowing that if your oscillation amplitude goes too high it's game over yet increasing the amplitude is a critical part of the game

kalina

or Civilization 5

Jon

it is great for when you are shitting

Almo

Civ 5 man.

good game

Jon

yes

Almo

NO UNIT STACKING

thank firaxis