Game Development

Joe

7:00 PM

lol i watched 2 the other day

a serious consideration if we should fund a real life XCOM

AttackingHobo

Oh man NVIDIA is gonna do some cool shit with the gtx 980 videocardz.com/52552/…

Icy Defiance

eh, they're comparing it to the 680 instead of the 780. if they compared it to the 780 it would still be better, but more incremental, not so drastic.

looks like 1 GB more memory, higher clock speed, and better compression resulting in less needed memory bandwidth

err wait I'm thinking of the 780 Ti

but yeah

AttackingHobo

I'm excited about the VR latency improvements

Icy Defiance

oh, right, there are a lot more slides than just the big ones. XD

thought those were different articles

MickLH

I just duct taped a broken piece of code and it felt so good

John McDonald

7:14 PM

@AttackingHobo They're not quite out yet, are they? Because I have a 970 on my wish list (maybe 980 if I'm splurging)

AttackingHobo

no

John McDonald

D:

AttackingHobo

i'd wait dual display port out on that mother

dual 4k monitors

think about how much code you could view at the same time

while watching multiple 1080 movies, while playing a few games at the same time

John McDonald

oh man:

I want

AttackingHobo

ya :)

John McDonald

7:19 PM

No BF4 benchmark, so that'll have to do

SpartanDonut

I play games at 1080p so... I think I'm set for at least 1 more generation

John McDonald

I've got a GTX 570, and it's starting to show its age, :(

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut VR is just about here and ready to rape your GPU.

Lokkij

I somehow manage to survive with a GT520. :(

SpartanDonut

If it's going to rape my GPU I'm very concerned for the rest of the world

Icy Defiance

7:22 PM

yeah, definitely an incremental improvement for existing games, but after reading all the slides it seems to have some great features for new games

my question is how does one use those features?

does something need to be added to opengl?

or will it be all shader stuff?

like the hairworks thing

Joe

@SpartanDonut same... but im thinking about shelling out some ridiculous amount of clams for new systems

Icy Defiance

it says far cry 4 will take advantage of it. how?

Ali.S

@Lokkij and I'm living with 320m

John McDonald

@Joe Do you have a desktop?

Joe

i had a pc, but bad powersupply took out 60% of it

so i replaced with with a mac mini

John McDonald

7:27 PM

Owch

Joe

and now im considering going back to a game machine

SpartanDonut

@Joe I spent ridiculous numbers of mollusks on my PC last year... and it's kind of in a state of constant upgrades with peripherals and whatnot as well

John McDonald

That's the way to do it, :)

Joe

i got alot of nice glass... but nothing good to push frames to it right now lol

ive got hydrolic wall mounts for my 3 monitor setup

AttackingHobo

@Joe Don't fucking skimp on the powersupply!

Joe

7:28 PM

and a mac mini that cant even push 3 1080p

SpartanDonut

In addition to the cheap monitor I am very happy with, a 1TB SSD has been on the back of my mind for a while now...

Joe

@AttackingHobo it was a corsair! idk what happened

John McDonald

1TB, daamn dude

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut get 2 512 and raid zero them

SpartanDonut

Yeah that defeats the purpose of getting a 1TB

AttackingHobo

7:30 PM

huh?

SpartanDonut

or wait..

I get my raids confused

AttackingHobo

512+512 = 1tb

radio 0. Zero for how much data you will have if something fucks up.

John McDonald

But also 512 + ~~512~~ = 0

SpartanDonut

That's actually not a horrible idea... I do have a 512 already

AttackingHobo

Dont buy an SSD from anyone but intel or samsung though

Joe

7:32 PM

^

SpartanDonut

I get the samsungs yeah

John McDonald

@SpartanDonut I don't know my RAIDs too well, but I think you want two very similar drives

Joe

ive been cheaping out with 2 64g older gens

AttackingHobo

Yeah. same exact model number

Joe

1 for windows 1 for game

John McDonald

7:34 PM

@AttackingHobo yeah, and if you've got an existing slightly older drive, you may not be able to find the same one. And if you do, it might be cheaper & faster to just forget about and get a single bigger/faster drive

AttackingHobo

@JohnMcDonald not really

SpartanDonut

Well I'm buying the wife a new PC... probably next month so I'm not too worried on it right now

AttackingHobo

1tb vs 2 512 samsung is same exact price

but with raid 0 you get double perf

SpartanDonut

@Joe I pretty sure I'm giong to end up with the digital storm

@AttackingHobo wikipedia says you are a liar

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut desktop or laptop?

SpartanDonut

7:38 PM

@AttackingHobo desktop

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut what about?

John McDonald

@AttackingHobo Well... a new 1TB is probably faster than an old 512MB, but after RAID, the 512s will likely be faster

Depends how old the 512 is, no?

AttackingHobo

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147249

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29P1EC5324

SpartanDonut

Performance may vary, basically.

AttackingHobo

Im talking about buying new.

Joe

7:39 PM

@SpartanDonut actually since i asked my buddy about his... ive been considering that very much as well

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut oh sure. Random access small files might not change too much, but sequential reads for large files will be huuuuge

John McDonald

ah, I'm talking about upgrading Spartan's existing 512

Joe

actually considering buying 2 of the lower end systems, and making my fiance start gaming again

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut you gonna build, or buy?

SpartanDonut

@AttackingHobo Buy. Probably this guy - digitalstormonline.com/bolt-ii.asp

Looking for something with a small form factor and so I think buying outright is the most appropriate option at this time

I need to do a little more shopping around... make sure there aren't any self proclaimed steam machines out that are reasonably priced I've not considered but that's the one I'm currently looking at

AttackingHobo

7:43 PM

@SpartanDonut :/ why the small form factor?

John McDonald

Go big or go home! ;)

AttackingHobo

jeez give me that budget and I can get you parted out for a beast rig

SpartanDonut

Or I could give myself that budget without the small form factor requirement and do just as fine

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut why the small form factor though?

SpartanDonut

Small desk / computer area

Small living space, etc.

AttackingHobo

7:47 PM

16 gigs max supported? :/

You could either hide the rig. or you could have the rig on your desk with monitor on top

SpartanDonut

Hide the rig... in the new hole in the wall we're going to install especially for this computer?

Joe

damn

SpartanDonut

It's for my wife... she doesn't need 32GB+ of RAM

Joe

half of me doesnt want to bother building another machine and troubleshooting it

the other half does not want to spend 2k+ for the parts i want

SpartanDonut

The PC itself is probably already too much for her

AttackingHobo

7:50 PM

@Joe I have magic hands. last two rigs I built seem to be super solid so far

Joe

intel nvidia?

AttackingHobo

My work rig had over 90 days of uptime till the building had a power failure over a weekend

90 continous days

right now its only at 10

but still really solid.

@Joe yeah

Pip

@SpartanDonut <3 Win8.1

AttackingHobo

well my work rig is just intel. no dedicated vid card... yet

new one I built is intel nvidia

i7 5930k w/ 16gigs ddr4 quad channel ram @ 2600mhz. two intel 730 ssds 250gigs each raid-0. nvidia 750 2 gigs

hexa core intel is a sight to behold

Joe

what mobo brand do you run?

AttackingHobo

7:54 PM

ASROCK for my work one. and the new one I built for a client is MSI

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813130796

8 usb3. 2 usb2. + 2 more usb2 on front of pc

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811129066

That case is really nice btw. the pannels kind of have hinges instead of sliding

hate sliding pannels they always get deformed and never sit right

@SpartanDonut lol just realized how close in size the one I built are to those "small form factor" ones you linked

Joe

newegg.com/Product/…

now im contemplating that + case + existing 680 i have sitting on my desk

+ PSU

could make an insane machine for 1500...

AttackingHobo

1.9 inches taller. 3.9 inches longer. and 3.3 inches deeper for the rig I built

@Joe literal same combo for the pc I just built

Joe

maybe i just buy a clone of the 680 i have...

and sli the thing

AttackingHobo

You also get a free razor mouse

SLI is never worth it

Joe

1 better card > 2 shite ones?

AttackingHobo

8:02 PM

sli has a shitload of issues

Almo

hahaha

AttackingHobo

stuttering, more latency, bullshit compatibility. lower perf in some games due to bugs

SpartanDonut

@AttackingHobo different case then the one you linked or the same?

Almo

Shit Load of Issues.

AttackingHobo

same case

Almo

8:03 PM

that's like W8 (if Windows 8 were slow)

Joe

whats a copy of win 7 going to run me

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut it doesn't have a behind mobo routing for power

Joe

or doi just grab w8

AttackingHobo

@Joe get win8

@Almo is just a crazy person don't listen to him

Pip

yeah, get win 8

actually, get 8.1

AttackingHobo

8:04 PM

There are a few things that may bother you, but they can be tweaked if you don't like it

SpartanDonut

16.4 x 4.4 x 14.1 vs
18.3 x 8.1 x 18.0

The digital storm is significantly smaller =/

Almo

did anybody miss it that AH said sli has a shitload of issues? SLI: Shit Load of Issues.

SpartanDonut

Especially if you math it out

Almo

hahahahahah

SpartanDonut

The half width is kind of what does it

Almo

8:05 PM

come on man that was fucking funny

SpartanDonut

Looks like a VCR or Console sitting somewhere

AttackingHobo

@Almo ROFL hahaha didn't even see that. Perfect hough.

Almo

that's one reason it was funny; didn't look intentional

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut w/e have fun with your comically overpriced, slow, "low profile" water cooler computer

SpartanDonut

No need to be a jerk. Different people have different requirements in things they need. Sorry you don't see it that way.

Almo

8:06 PM

I see it that way.

SpartanDonut

Just because you don't put value on small form factor doesn't mean I don't

Joe

i like the idea of not having to build my new system and the warrentee on digital storm looked really nice

ah. the trashcan

love my trash can

8:07 PM

you an owner almo?

Almo

yeah

Joe

how it is

Almo

fucking rules man

silent, boots in 7 seconds

panel lights up when you turn it to plug something in

easy to steal though

need to put some kind of lock on it

the other mac is 65 pounds, and harder to make off with

but it was easy to attach to the desk with a bicycle lock

this one doesn't have anything really to attach to

MLM

No kennsington lock?

Almo

maclocks.ca/…

this is the thing

just need to get one.

AttackingHobo

8:10 PM

@Almo Man I could build a god++++ tier machine for those budgets

Almo

with a piece of shit OS

will not have this argument with you penny-pinchers again

SpartanDonut

@Almo Thems fightin words

lol

AttackingHobo

could even hackentosh it too and use a trashcan from ikea for the case

Almo

looks like it's time to get the lock

Pip

Win > OSx. end of story :)

@AttackingHobo true, lol

Almo

8:11 PM

previously I had to pay $30 shipping to get it

SpartanDonut

To be fair "piece of shit OS" is a horrible argument and you know it. Let's settle for "not the OS of my preference" and call it day shall we?

Almo

that doesn't cut it with those guys

AttackingHobo

I would build that mother with dual socket xeon mobo

Almo

I've tried being reasonable and explaining what I don't like about windows

AttackingHobo

dual 6 core intels

SpartanDonut

8:11 PM

And how big would it be?

Almo

and I just get ridiculed for it

AttackingHobo

however big teh first trashcan I find is.

Almo

so I'll just say "piece of shit OS" and be done with it. :)

SpartanDonut

@Almo Alright. I'll secretly know what you mean ;)

Almo

Good ;)

0

Q: What makes a game jam worth participating in?

I'm looking to start my own game jam competition which would encourage people to actually finish a game (I've read a lot of game devs often procrastinate, or never finish a game because they have better ideas along the line). However, as easy as such a thing might be to setup I want to make sure ...

hmm interesting question...

subjective again, but seems on-topic

Pip

8:14 PM

omfg... apparently I can open a link in new tab with middle click.. since when?

awesome

SpartanDonut

@Pip I actually started a recent discussion on this very topic

Pip

cool

SpartanDonut

I was like... so I learned this... who the hell middle clicks? And basically everyone does and I'm the weirdo =/

MLM

Sep 2 at 18:03, by SpartanDonut

Poll: Middle click or Ctrl+Click to open a link in a new tab?

Almo

woa that's fucking cool

I never middle-click

Pip

8:16 PM

I do a lot, but never noticed this before

SpartanDonut

middle clicking is not comfortable for me and it feels... unstable

Pip

mostly I right click, actually

MLM

@Pip slow-poke

Pip

and select the option

yeah :P

I have a finger on each mouse button

Almo

►

AttackingHobo

8:19 PM

@Pip since forever

Pip

lol

Anyone else like that though? with a finger on each mouse button?

just feels comfortable to me

with this 5+ year old crappy mouse that I love so much

SpartanDonut

No sir

Pointer and middle on left and right buttons. Ring and pinky resting on the right side, thumb on the left

Pip

I have a finger on each side and a finger on each button, usually

sometimes pointer and middle on the left, but not usually

SpartanDonut

@Almo that movie is amazing

MLM

@SpartanDonut My hand rests the same as Spartan

SpartanDonut

8:22 PM

And then my left hand rests to the right of my keyboard... with a rather interesting grip on the keys... I think a photo will best show this.

Joe

@SpartanDonut maybe its time for a 5 button mouse...

AttackingHobo

@Joe only 5?

Joe

in the shape of a hand

so you have have to spend calories to do things

SpartanDonut

That's just silly

AttackingHobo

I've kind of want one of those MMO mouses with those macro buttons so I can use them for programming and other work.

Joe

8:26 PM

5 button mouse by joe... "because moving muscles is tedius and menial"

Pip

lol

@AttackingHobo yeah, I kinda want one with at least a couple buttons too

uh... apparently I have no friends on LoL.... wtf

Almo

@SpartanDonut heh :) it's funny alright.

SpartanDonut

This is the death grip I hold on my keyboard while browsing the internets. Pardon the shitty work keyboard

Not entirely sure why...

Joe

im constantly perpetually stuck in WASD battle stations... always now

mmos have ruined my brain

SpartanDonut

If I used alt+tab all the time I'd have an excuse but I find the task bar to be way more efficient for quite some time now

Almo

8:35 PM

i rest my hand with index on c or f, middle on e, ring on q and pinky up against the capslock button

comes from RTSs I think

SpartanDonut

Please tell me you are lying to us

MLM

I normally rest on ctrl and c

Almo

alt-tab is a pain because the order of the icons shifts depending on how recently you used it

SpartanDonut

^

Almo

can't learn how far the icons are from each other

so I don't use it either

MLM

8:37 PM

taskbar ftw. Always takes multiple tries when coming out of a game when using alt-tab

for me

SpartanDonut

or for those like me who don't pay attention to the order they do things in... it's seemingly random ;)

Almo

hahah yeah

SpartanDonut

I think my grip is an odd combination of comfort and security

My hand is relaxed on the desk but it's still touching keys so that it knows where it is and can easily find anything it needs

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut depends what I am doing really. Sometimes I just have both hands on the kb and use my trackpoint for mousing

Alt tab is great for switching back and forth between a few apps

alt tab + arrow keys is also nice

well on win8 that is. Dont know if win 7 can do that

Pip

idk either

SpartanDonut

8:52 PM

Server 2008 R2 can do it so I'm guessing Win 7 can

Assuming its nothing fancier than navigating the little alt+tab box in all directions as opposed to just forward

Shotgun Ninja

sup nerds

Almo

@Joe but you should use the WERD. better if you walk forward a lot

also gives you q,a,z for your pinky

developed that for UT and Q3

Joe

interesting... ive unbound S alot as backwards because is rarely ever necessary

but thats interesting

Almo

one Q3 map maker's name was NoSKey

AttackingHobo

@Joe people don't expect it

in cs backwards air strafe is kind of confusing for enemies

Byte56

8:58 PM

@SpartanDonut, @JohnMcDonald You guys can now kick people from chat if they're out of line: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/229905/…

SpartanDonut

o7

(you are late to the club on that one :P)

Byte56

Oh

SpartanDonut

No worries. Just teasing ya

Alex sent me an IM on steam the day it was posted telling me to get my ban finger ready lol

Byte56

Don't worry, I'll take it away from you, then give it back and be the first to tell you about it.

SpartanDonut

Oh there we go

Icy Defiance

9:01 PM

Irate NSA staffer doesn't like being filmed in public, for some reason. firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/17/…

Shotgun Ninja

oh boy

Icy Defiance

not satire

Shotgun Ninja

Benedict Cumberbatch as Alan Turing, in "The Imitation Game".

AttackingHobo

ok. So is there an AR plugin for unity that doesn't fucking suck balls?

Shotgun Ninja

They're finally making a movie about Alan Turing!

and it's coming out the day before my birthday!

SpartanDonut

9:04 PM

And here I am waiting for Into the Woods to come out... lol

Shotgun Ninja

Well, I'm a software engineer primarily, so Alan Turing is one of those Ancient Ones that I was trained to look up to.

SpartanDonut

Is it weird that I look up to more immediate peers and mentors than some person I've never met?

Like... I just don't care about pretty much any big name in the games or computing

Almo

Alan was pretty fucking smart

SpartanDonut

It's like he did that? ok cool.

And that's where it ends

Anyway time to get going. Later all.

Almo

purchase

Byte56

9:08 PM

Plus Alan Turing got a raw deal when he was alive. Since he was gay he was treated very poorly, even with all of his awesome contributions to computer science.

Icy Defiance

and that is probably what will make the movie fun. I mean the movie itself might be great and all, but I want to see the christians get angry and say he deserved it all.

I'll be laughing

Pip

@SpartanDonut latah

Byte56

@IcyDefiance Taking the low ground isn't the ideal route.

Almo

AttackingHobo

Thats a cool image of Jesus

like the style and pose

Icy Defiance

9:12 PM

@Byte56 what low ground? I'm not provoking anything. I just like watching people who make themselves look like assholes. Just like the news article I linked a few minutes ago with the NSA employee.

Almo

BTW: halos come from Rome. They used them to indicate people of stature. Ended up in religion because Constantine made Chritianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Shotgun Ninja

interesting

Byte56

I believe in this case, the high ground would be forgiving and understanding that people make mistakes. Not laughing at their mistakes or rubbing their faces in it.

Icy Defiance

and most of our ideas of the devil and hell come from the divine comedy, if I remember right, not the bible

@Byte56 nooo I'm saying christians today will be saying he deserved it. I guarantee this thing will end up on fox news and the church I'm forced to attend will send an angry petition to someone.

Byte56

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Them getting upset today is the mistake they're making.

Icy Defiance

9:15 PM

then I have no idea what point you're trying to make

AttackingHobo

@Byte56 stop being so offended.

Byte56

That responding to people's wrong beliefs with cynicism doesn't help them change their beliefs.

@AttackingHobo I believe you'll find it's impossible to offend me.

Icy Defiance

if you're saying I shouldn't oppose people who are being assholes, don't worry. I'd get kicked out of the house if I did that outside of the internet. I totally would if I could, though.

I'll just be laughing in my basement because watching the drama will amuse me

Lokkij

@Byte56 Normally I understand and tolerate mistakes people make, but not when those mistakes are hurting other people.

Byte56

I'm just saying fighting fire with fire doesn't put the fire out :/

Combat hate with kindness.

6

Lokkij

9:19 PM

@Byte56 I agree that responding with cynicism isn't the right way though.

Icy Defiance

I've moved far, far beyond trying to put the fire out. It's just not possible. Even my own atheism only happened after several people harshly pointed out how much of an asshole I was being to innocent people.

Noctrine

I imagine more along the lines of boycotts and stuff for the Alan Turning movie. I think for a lot of people, they'll get the impression that what happened was wrong.

Byte56

Certainly prevent harm to others, but don't respond with harm is all

AttackingHobo

@Byte56 nothing can change their beliefs at this point.

Icy Defiance

i tried that approach for years, Byte. It doesn't work. The only thing that will stop an asshole from being an asshole is public humiliation.

Byte56

9:21 PM

Well, beliefs are changing though, so something is happening.

Icy Defiance

only among young people, and only because of the internet

no one is changing beliefs, they're just growing up with different ones

Shotgun Ninja

who was from Romania here, again?

Icy Defiance

Alex

Noctrine

Alex

Byte56

OR we can just nuke it all and start over. I mean if you're going to respond with hate, take it to the max.

Shotgun Ninja

9:22 PM

ah. Saw a video on Facebook and immediately thought of him

Noctrine

@IcyDefiance I see a lot of beliefs changing.

Shotgun Ninja

facebook.com/video.php?v=10153600705945494

Lokkij

Luckily public opinion is changing. The extremists will probably never change their opinion, but hopefully the mass of reasonable people will silence them.

Icy Defiance

@Byte56 please don't try to equate public humiliation with violence.

Byte56

Public humiliation isn't required. They can feel shame in private.

Noctrine

9:23 PM

Anti-theism is so much work.

Icy Defiance

shame doesn't work in private

Joe

for certain people it does... but i dont know if this new generation feels shame in the normal human ways possible as gen y

Noctrine

#YOLO

Icy Defiance

no, people might be ashamed in private because of something other people saw earlier

but no one is ashamed of things that no one else knows about

Byte56

That's what I'm saying is that responding to their hate with kindness will make them feel shame in private later. You don't need to rub it in their faces in public.

It's a slow process.

Icy Defiance

9:26 PM

well now we're just going in circles, and I've made my points

I see no need to reward people who are trying to hurt others

that shit is unacceptable and should not be tolerated at any level

Lokkij

Man I'm just so happy to live in a country where that process has almost been completed, at least on the subject of homosexuality. Anyway, good night everyone!

Icy Defiance

so jealous, Lokkij :'(

Lokkij

@IcyDefiance because there's less people with hurtful opinions or because you're gay? (actual question, just curious)

Icy Defiance

I'm not gay, but I am a closet atheist who has been afraid of being kicked out of my house since I was 12

Noctrine

I doubt your parents would have put you up for adoption Icy, to much shame in that.

Maybe they'd have sent you off to boarding school. I'd count that as a win.

Joe

9:31 PM

@IcyDefiance i can relate to this alot, my uncles a priest my family is very religious... personally i find it illogical... i understand the importance of faith, i wish i could find my own, but i havent

Lokkij

@IcyDefiance That sounds pretty horrible. :(

Joe

recently got engaged, and my family is near on the edge of "abandoning us" because of the wedding plans

Byte56

Come on out to Oregon. We're pretty liberal here in Portland.

Icy Defiance

crap, my shift is over. I'd love to explain a bit more, but I need food before class.

so I'm out. see y'all later.

Noctrine

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Byte56

9:32 PM

Later Icy

@Noctrine It's pretty much exactly like that

Shotgun Ninja

I love Portlandia

but I live in a big city with a decently high hipster population

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Noctrine

We're recently gentrifying here in Detroit. Well at least downtown, but i'm in the suburbs.

Pip

ey

Noctrine

Very interesting times.

AttackingHobo