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8:00 PM
@jcolebrand @AaronBertrand here its what I was saying: You must wait for a question to be closed for 2 days before you can vote for deletion. This restriction is removed for trusted users
so 10k users still can vote to delete, but after a question was closed for 2 days
 
@ypercube Or shall I go ahead and answer it myself?
 
311
Q: Show all of my question/answers to me even if they are deleted

vavaI would really like to see all of my questions and answers on the profile page, even if some of them were deleted, and I don't have enough rep to see them on the site. (Note that some questions are automatically deleted after 30 days or 1 year, and the author might be oblivious about what happen...

where an answer mentions:
> Delete notification

What I think is by far the most important part of this feature request is notification of deletion done by other users/moderators. Currently, there is no notification at all. This only leads to unnecessary confusion and should be fairly easy to implement.
 
So, should one not use index as a col name then? I don't seem to have a problem in PG.
 
Straw poll for the DW folks... preferred naming convention for your type2 "effective date" columns?
 
@FaheemMitha the general rule of thumb is never use "reserved keywords" for attribute names. That can be a problem in (eg) C# where class is a proper keyword, but is also a commonly used attribute name (see CSS where class defines what to apply to an element). Same goes for Date, DateTime, Int, String, Long, you get the idea.
 
8:12 PM
@FaheemMitha It's reserved in Oracle and SQL-Server but not in some other DBMS.
 
So if you don't need to use Index as your name, I advise against it as a matter of convention.
(between that and lack of favoritism towards typing, we all kind standardize on ID anyways)
 
It may not even be reserved in ANSI/iSO SQL but it's better to avoid it.
 
infocenter.sybase.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/… according to sybase here are the ANSI SQL keywords
> I | immediate, indicator, initially, inner, input, insensitive, int, integer, interval
 
@jcolebrand Ok. I guess i can use ind.
It is not the same as id here.
Thanks.
 
8:19 PM
Why not use a descriptive word?
 
@jcolebrand It kind of is a descriptive word. It is the location/index on a gene segment where a nucleotide location is.
@jcolebrand feel free to suggest alternatives. :-)
 
SegmentIndex or GeneSegmentIndex or NucleotideLocationIndex or NucleotideIndex
 
So, in the following bit of code, if i have two functions with the same over clause, can i compress to one over clause?
 
Because
 
Avg(pvalue)
OVER (
partition BY datafile_id, index) AS avg_pval,
Avg(margstat)
OVER (
partition BY datafile_id, index) AS avg_margstat
 
8:21 PM
You're not writing the code for the compiler, you're writing the code for readability
 
@jcolebrand Thanks. All quite long, though.
 
It may take a few more keystrokes. If your devenv doesn't do intellisense, get a better devenv.
 
@jcolebrand That's true.
 
Now, if this is going to be genericized over say 15 entities, then yeah, ind (or even just I) would be better
that's why when we do loops, we write for (int i = 0....
but when it's being used in one location, telling me that I'm looking for the SegmentIndex when I read that code makes it intimately more understandable
 
@jcolebrand good points.
 
8:23 PM
And code I understand is code I'm happy to maintain, not curse the author of (which was usually me some months before)
These aren't school lecture points either, mind you, but things that I wish someone had told me 5 years ago
afk
 
@jcolebrand i guess i can use seqindex
 
Sorry, one more thing. WHAT AN IDIOT:
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Q: How do I add minutes to a time data type?

TrispedI have a stored procedure which inserts two records into a table, the difference between the records is that the time column of the second record is @MinToAdd after the first: CREATE PROCEDURE CreateEntry /*Other columns*/ @StartTime time(2), @EndTime time(2), @MinutesToAdd small...

 
Ug, they stored information that's only relevant to a backend processing job as an set of csv pairs in different fields.... so like field1 has text 'X,Y' and field2 has text '123,456' but to do anything with it have have to write the query as ...WHERE (somefield1 = 'X' and somefield2 = '123') OR (somefield1 = 'Y' and somefield2 = '456') . So now we have to parse out the fields to do the queries...ug!
 
@AaronBertrand flagged. hopefully you dont mind vacating 120 rep points. i do hope that question gets deleted and user gets banhammered
 
@AaronBertrand Hey man, dude has rights. </sarcasm>
 
8:30 PM
 
"At this time I do not feel that there is an answer which fully answers the question I am trying to ask." ... DATABASES HAVE NO FEELINGS
 
I want to say "then take your fucking question somewhere else"
I've deleted my answer. And will never answer another question of his.
 
@AaronBertrand Somewhere there are records instead of rows.
 
@swasheck I thought databases had feel factors.
 
@swasheck They are bases of data.
 
8:33 PM
I wonder if they as much of an asshat on other SE sites as this one.
 
@CadeRoux unfortunately that comment was deleted. i want that comment to be locked for all posterity
 
@AaronBertrand well I guess I know why we are having issues logging into work
 
@swasheck it was my favorite comment.
 
@Lamak EVAR
@bluefeet stop with your tech stuff. we're venting here. :)
 
8:35 PM
I'll still use it
 
I am venting too
Apple blocked the java plugin I need to be able to WFH
 
@bluefeet apologies. vent away.
WTF Apple/Trisped? Y U SO ANGRY?
@AaronBertrand i wasnt saying that you should delete your answer. undelete it and let it stand for as long as the question stands
 
@bluefeet well, it is a serious security issue (or so everyone says)
 
@Lamak Supposedly
 
@swasheck why? I'm hoping the answer gets deleted. If all of his ranting bullshit gets rolled back by mods (I'm certainly not going to attempt it), maybe I'll undelete then.
@swasheck it really is a "why didn't you RTFM or try it?" question.
@swasheck all of his griping is because he didn't like my edit or the fact that he made assumptions about dateadd.
 
8:39 PM
I should post your answer ;)
 
@AaronBertrand i agree. just saying that you shouldnt necessarily take the hit for it.
 
@billinkc YOU SHALL NOT!!
 
@swasheck for 120 rep? Much less headache no longer being involved than being forced to modify my answer to satisfy his changed requirements. I have better things to do.
 
@billinkc we should all post the answer
 
@swasheck Exactly
 
8:40 PM
@swasheck I actually only lost 20 rep, because I went 100 over yesterday.
 
@billinkc sorry, someone made me remember LOTR today
 
@AaronBertrand well alrightythen
 
Am I the only one who thinks his question should be closed? He's already received a solution to the problem, and it is unlikely to help any future visitors with enough brains to try dateadd on their own before posting a question.
 
that Q is on a timeout
I am taking it to meta.
Takes time for me to type, bear with please
 
I missed out on some drama.
 
8:46 PM
@Zane that's an understatement
 
Fine, whatever
 
it seems like what we're missing is a fundamental explanation of the types involved.
 
@swasheck the types of idiots?
 
@AaronBertrand haha. there're the clueless idiots, and then there are the militant idiots
How to add minutes to to a time data type.

That the proposed solution does not result in a loss of precision.

Issues or concerns to be aware of in the event that the minutes would be to too large to fit in a time variable, or risk of rolling the time variable over. If there are no issues then please state so.
i get no loss of precision (unless i am just misunderstanding)
 
@AaronBertrand He never really explains even in his revised specs what he wants to do ABOUT the rollover of DATEADD(MINUTE, number, time). The modulo thing without taking into account the time itself has no effect. And I'm not sure what he means about precision.
 
8:50 PM
@AaronBertrand is this the same dude from yesterday?
 
DECLARE @nowtime as TIME
SET @nowtime = GETDATE()

SELECT DATEADD(MINUTE,37, @nowtime) nowplusthirtyseven, @nowtime
 
@swasheck There is none - the seconds and milliseconds are preserved
 
as for the third ... i think it was pretty clearly stated
 
I thought you gave up on that guy yesterday around 11:30
 
8:52 PM
(apologies for coercing a DATETIME into a TIME)
 
DATEADD(MINUTE, n, @time) is same as DATEADD(MINUTE, n % 1440, @time) - for ALL n, so there are no issues.
 
Well then he posted a massive rant as an edit to his question, going on and on about row vs. record and how my edit was unjustified and how my answer was crap and so and and so on...
 
@AaronBertrand right. this is where the question lost scope. he was trying to play a game, you matched wits. his underwear got bunched up.
 
@AaronBertrand Jack also made the same record -> row change.
It was funny
 
Yeah that was like yesterday at lunch I'm surprised it has been strung out into what was a wonderful Friday.
 
8:54 PM
So I deleted my answer, Cole locked the question (I think it should be closed), and now there will be a discussion on meta that I guess might have a chance at solving something about this (but I'm having trouble seeing what that might be)
 
@CadeRoux i think jack just rolled back to aaron's edit :)
@AaronBertrand i'm pushing for banhammer
 
Now, do you think it would have been okay if I hadn't missed one of the instances of record?
 
@jcolebrand where's the meta conversation?
 
I always want to spell wonderful as wonderfull just seems wrong
 
I highly doubt it.
 
8:55 PM
@swasheck my word, can I type?
 
He's still working on it.
 
@swasheck let him post, but silently convert record -> row in everything he posts.
@jcolebrand can you?
 
@jcolebrand i dunno. look within yourself.
 
probably not
 
@jcolebrand dude, Y U SO SLOW
:-)
 
8:56 PM
i vote for a private chatroom where we all go in and bully him (one by one so that we don't lose precision). that would make me feel better about myself and my awful transaction log derp earlier
 
@AaronBertrand I doubt it. This guy should hook up with the bases of data guy.
 
@Zane Did you mean the opposite?
 
@CadeRoux bases of data guy was clueless. this guy is a prick.
 
I mean wonderful is correct and it feels wrong to type
 
@Zane i suppose wonderfull could mean full of wonder; but then it'd be hyphenated
 
8:58 PM
@Zane It's awful
 
@CadeRoux not to be confused with awe-full
 
@swasheck Or offal
 
@CadeRoux mmmm HAGGIS TIME
 
I know the correct spelling it's just when I type it it feels wrong
 
@jcolebrand when does the lock expire? i can't wait to post @AaronBertrand's answer
 
8:59 PM
@swasheck What is @jcolebrand making in the sausage factory?
 
@CadeRoux i'm just going let that one breathe
 
@swasheck Democracy, sausage factory, SE mod-space - no one wants to see what goes on in there.
 
looks like DATEADD has precision to nanosecond
 
@swasheck only if an appropriate type is passed in, e.g. DATETIME2, DATETIMEOFFSET or TIME.
 
@swasheck You mean DATEADD?
 
9:04 PM
@AaronBertrand right. well. his precision isn't all that granular as defined in the question.
 
DATETIME doesn't do nanoseconds
 
@Lamak yep. danke
 
@Lamak that is true, I see that he typed DATETIME but knew that he meant DATEADD
Unfortunately, I won't be around to see what cole puts out onto meta. I trust you lot will do the right thing. :-)
 
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Q: Regarding the author's right to edit his own question

jcolebrand How do I add minutes to a time data type? This question has spontaneously devolved into an edit war. The author feels slighted. Here is his "closing volley" and then my ruling as a moderator (hey, I'm just cleaning up stuff). Final notes: It is my right, as the person who asked the que...

This was mostly my rant to Trespid
STFU U
 
@AaronBertrand you are like twins :-)
 
9:06 PM
@AaronBertrand sure you will, and I'm sure you'll yell at me when you leave the site today >.<
 
@Lamak please do not insult @AaronBertrand like that
 
@swasheck I know, I regreted it the moment I said it. But he read your mind man!
 
@Lamak it's his brilliance, not likeness
 
@ypercube do you think adding the additional checks is enough?
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A: MySQL JOIN - Return NULL for duplicate results in left table

bluefeetYou can replace the values with something like this: select case when rownum = 1 then title else null end title, name, category_id from ( SELECT c.title, i.name, i.category_id, @row:=(case when @prev=title and @precat=category_id then @row else 0 end) + 1 as ro...

 
someone upvote the comment on the Q in discussion so it shows up?
nm, cleaning up comments
 
9:10 PM
Can't upvote because the post is locked
 
right
ergo, comment cleanup
because those no longer mattered here anyways
 
@bluefeet I would add the same order by or the order by i.category_id, rownum in the external query, too. Or leave it as it is, and hope it breaks in their face :)
 
@ypercube good idea, added those as well
If I let it break in their face, then they will stalk me later asking to fix it
 
I agree; this question is asking to solve a problem which doesn't exist. — Gavin Towey 34 secs ago
 
JNK
holy cow I get caught up in work and hometown sorrow for a week or two and it's like Lord of the Flies on DBA
 
9:14 PM
@JNK except I have a bow and arrow
 
JNK
Jcole has the Conch!
 
or do you mean the mod message as well ;-)
 
JNK
That too
 
@jcolebrand and assmar
 
@swasheck I am LOST as to what you mean on the post
 
9:15 PM
@jcolebrand ... hm ... LOST reference or do you really need an explanation?
 
@JNK was that a satisfactory resolution to that, or should something be appended?
 
JNK
No I agree
 
I'm happy to hand off further resolution on that on the meta side to you, so that I had an initial response, and you temper me, as it were.
@swasheck grrr, assmar isn't coming to mind ...
 
JNK
it's a LoTF reference
 
@jcolebrand in lord of the flies ... "piggy" had assmar (asthma)
 
JNK
9:17 PM
@AaronBertrand Can I undelete that for you?
 
@JNK please do because it's the correct answer.
 
JNK
I'm not going to unilaterally do that just yet
But it shall be done
I'm not going to poke the bea(ke)r
 
@swasheck ooooh
@swasheck by lost on the post, I mean your post on meta.
 
@JNK go ahead
 
@JNK yeah I wasn't either. That's his call. He gets to delete his answer if he thinks it doesn't apply anymore.
 
9:20 PM
@jcolebrand i know ... i meant to say "what's the precision on that?" but then just decided to delete and let it die
 
JNK
I'm gonna roll back an edit too
 
@AaronBertrand You still post on SO?
 
JNK
b/c your explanation of overflow is I think helpful
 
@ThomasStringer I had a change of heart recently. Might go for the legendary badge after all.
 
@swasheck I don't understand!!!
 
9:21 PM
@jcolebrand precision was driving the OP's fears about @AaronBertrand's answer
 
@AaronBertrand how close are you?
 
@ThomasStringer I was restricting myself to comments only, and then 3 or 4 turned into "change your comment to an answer!"
@bluefeet 133 or 134 I think
 
@swasheck so you're making a really bad joke on a serious topic? Is that what you're saying? So I should delete that meta answer?
 
@swasheck but if that is a fear, TRY IT, instead of demanding disclosure
 
@AaronBertrand nice
 
9:21 PM
@jcolebrand yes, and yes
 
much closer than I am. I am slowly getting there though
 
@AaronBertrand hey man ... preaching to the choir. i'm paranoid, not afraid.
 
JNK
@swasheck They just want you to think you're paranoid
 
@AaronBertrand That's fair. I haven't even been on SO much recently. There are some decent DBA-type questions there that do belong here, every once in a while though
 
JNK
@jcolebrand Can you dismiss those flags or do you want me to?
 
9:23 PM
@JNK in reality it's just too much starbucks
 
JNK
It's like half the damn screen on that Q
 
@JNK I was just leaving them for now, but you can sweep them away
alternately
hit "close"
 
JNK
I do but when I reload the page it comes back
 
it's so much easier to just close the overlay >.>
I mean, it's half of one, six the other
 
one more flag, just to keep you guys entertained
 
9:24 PM
they're on the mod-menu for later
 
@jcolebrand tastes like chicken (or haggis)
 
@ThomasStringer feel free to bring them to light in here and VtC them as you like
 
JNK
@ThomasStringer Yeah we do crowd-source migrations in here
 
I posted an answer
@JNK why did you delete the last line in the reversion?
 
JNK
@AaronBertrand It was basically a question and I was trying to discourage any further dialogue from the OP
You can put it back in if you want I don't feel strongly about it
But when I saw it I thought he might try to respond again
 
9:35 PM
Sadly this is another case where, in the future, to avoid similar bullshit, I will be considering the user in addition to the quality when deciding whether to answer a question. I'm not ever going to go through this nonsense with the same person twice.
Handy dandy "favorite user" plug-in to the rescue...
 
@jcolebrand Yeah, absolutely. I definitely do. TBH I haven't been on SO recently to look for such questions
 
@JNK @jcolebrand could you guys delete the comments under the question, too? they're rather outdated
 
So now, my question is: the question still says record - can I change those three instances to row again?
 
@AaronBertrand Do you actually have such a thing?
 
@swasheck I thought I did for everything but the "goto meta" stuff
 
9:37 PM
 
@AaronBertrand marking in red now huh? ;-)
 
@ThomasStringer I certainly do - see that red bar along the left hand side? That shows up only for my "favorites" - warning me to click elsewhere.
I think it's no secret here that aptem is another favorite
 
@AaronBertrand How did you get that???
 
@AaronBertrand apparently there is a site on the SE network where he actually fits in?
I wouldn't have thought it myself
but according to the mods in the mod-chat, he does
 
Because my problem is, on multiple occasions, I've answered a question by one of these lunatics that makes me pull my hair out, after knowing better, but I often answer a question quickly before noticing who the author is.
 
9:38 PM
@jcolebrand i posted a comment when he did the "edit war" edit that questioned the relevance of his edit
I don't see how your edit to your question further clarifies the question at hand. — swasheck 1 hour ago
 
Dec 20 '12 at 16:37, by Aaron Bertrand
@jcolebrand http://michalbures.com/projects/stack-exchange-favorite-users/
@swasheck yeah, and the followup comment seems to respond to that, mostly
 
@AaronBertrand Did you see my comment to the question of the eager index spool?
 
@ThomasStringer ?que?
 
@jcolebrand yeah, but it's outdated since that edit was rolled back
 
9:40 PM
I still don't know how you guys actually put tidbits of questions here on chat
I'll have to figure that out one day
@JackDouglas Good day, friend
 
@ThomasStringer Hi, how are you :)
 
@ThomasStringer if it's a comment, click the timestamp and get the url (so there's like four ways to do that) and then paste the link to the comment here
http://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/31786/same-query-takes-0-seconds-on-server-a-7-5-minutes-on-server-b-same-db-hardwar#comment55579_31786
just like that, without the backticks (That's how I made it show, enclosed in a matching pair of `)
 
Does the patient_account_fk nonclustered index not exist on your slow server's database table IB_Charge? Your index scan has an estimated row count of 9.7+ million rows where only about 1000 are required. I believe your eager index spool (a blocking operation) is to blame because of that. Not to mention, even on the other server/database/table (the "fast" one) you have an expensive key lookup that you can solve with a covering index. Long story short, poor indexing is causing your woes. — Thomas Stringer 35 mins ago
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
 
Just like that
 
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Q: Same Query takes 0 seconds on Server A, 7.5 minutes on Server B (same db/hardware/config)

mike42I have a query (sql below) that is nearly instantaneous on 1 server, but takes 7.5 minutes on another virtually (key point) identical server. The estimated query execution plans have one obvious difference; the plan on the slower performing server contains an "Index Spool (Eager Spool)" where t...

Slick!
Thanks @jcolebrand
 
9:44 PM
Wait'll I tell you about the stack chat script
 
@jcolebrand it's free, otherwise i'd imagine that you were a salesperson
 
pffffft, we don't generally do "for pay" for anything here but the db engines
we're a cheap lot
 
github.com/rchern
 
well, and a damned good IDE...
@swasheck wait and learn grasshopper
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Q: SE Chat Modifications -- Keyboard navigation and commands for chat

Tim Stone Screenshot Use /command shortcuts to perform common chat tasks: See message history inline: Easily preview replied-to messages: And much, much more... About Legends tell of a prolific Meta Stack Overflow chatter who despised using their mouse above all things. In an effort to keep t...

 
We need a thick client for chat
Now THAT'D be cool
 
9:47 PM
How's that, a stand-alone chat client?
I'm just about to (re)write a project called "StackChat2" which will be a functionally identical version of this app, but for standalone usage, and written in node.js.
 
@jcolebrand Yeah, a stand-alone client outside of the browser
@jcolebrand Is that alive already??!
 
It should be SEChat->SC2 pastable, and work with all the SE URLs like this does, so you can copy out links as you do here. But for the case of coming from there to here I'll have to have SE buy-in (as they will have to write a onebox'er for that.
@ThomasStringer not really, I wrote it with two other SE users in a 48 hour code contest about 2 years ago
But I'm going to redo it now, from the ground up, and start over again.
 
@jcolebrand Oh
 
with a little more planning this time around
one was in the UK, one was in Eastern Europe, and I was here.
 
@jcolebrand Planning smlanning
 
9:49 PM
afk, bbiab
 
@jcolebrand oksgsyt
@jcolebrand :-)
"ok sounds good see you then" :-)
 
egads
As I indicated in my question this morning, if you have an official source for "what most industry experts tend to agree" then I would be pleased to have it. — Trisped 5 mins ago
He got to keep "record" in his question. So I have no idea what purpose this continued badgering serves.
 
10:08 PM
@JackDouglas apologies for my abrupt departure from the other room. i was just asking legitimate questions and was being met with redirection and non-answers. i felt that my questions were legitimate but apparently they were a "waste of time." between that frustration (and really trying to communicate through this medium), and the nearly insta-chide just was the straw that broke the camel's back. Apologies for my rage-quit.
@AaronBertrand posted a DBA question so that we can get a good smattering of expertise
 
I feel like I am watching a TV show reading all these comments.
 
Anyone here experienced with Oracle ODP/.NET?
 
@swasheck I was about to do the same. Would have been my first self-answer.
 
Getting an AccessViolationException in OracleCommandBuilder.DeriveParameters - proc exists, connection seems open.
 
@swasheck I was going to work on my answer over the weekend, though. I'm going curling tonight.
 
10:13 PM
@AaronBertrand How ... canadian.
:)
 
@AaronBertrand And then have some timbits?
 
@billinkc the only Tim Horton's around here shut down last year.
 
@billinkc What was this?
 
@Mechanicalsnail Tim Hortons (Canadian equivalent of Starbucks as I understand it) has doughnut holes they call TimBits. Was trying to think of something else very Canadian for Aaron and it was between that and poutine
Mmmm poutine
 
@swasheck I'm wondering if you should keep row and record in its own question. I think the differences there will present enough discussion that column / field could be its own question.
 
10:16 PM
@AaronBertrand fair enough
 
@billinkc No, I mean:
7 hours ago, by billinkc
The attempted edit on this is awesome http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2342131/how-to-bridge-git-to-clearcase/2345303#2345303
 
@Mechanicalsnail Oh sorry. An edit had been suggested wherein the editor replaced the answer with a question to the Answerer. Just seemed insane to me
 
seriously some people on SO are very frustrating.
 
@AaronBertrand but curling sounds awesome
@bluefeet sorry i'm so frustrating
 
@AaronBertrand he had a blatantly wrong answer that changed to exactly like mine after I posted
Seems non-deterministic, which may be okay, but I'd probably change the inner ORDER BY to ID and add an ORDER BY to the end... — Aaron Bertrand 1 min ago
 
10:22 PM
@bluefeet oh that's not cool, I missed that
 
revision decidedly after @bluefeet posted the correct answer
 
@swasheck dude you are funny
 
@Trisped to what end? What is your end game? Maybe you should answer this question with an official Microsoft source that states that it is always a record and should never be called a row: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/31805/…Aaron Bertrand 25 secs ago
 
@bluefeet so here's the deal ... i love argumentation and stuff. i'm still trying to figure out the whole SQL / DBA thing ... but i can logic
 
@bluefeet If I hadn't seen that silly first attempt of an answer, I'd vote for Presumption of innocence. He may just arrived at the same answer. Are there many ways to write this using window functions?
 
10:32 PM
@swasheck I was just about suggesting a blog post on this very topic (plus column vs field)
 
@dezso the blog is dead
 
a definitive article could help a lot, as a quick google search revealed
@swasheck officially?
 
@dezso i was just saying it was dead. who am i? if i wield that kind of power then AWESOME
One propels a craft, the other is used by dirty hipsters to play music — billinkc 5 mins ago
@billinkc ... i bow to your wit
 
@swasheck aren't you the person who was pointed by some as the one who should nudge others to write decent posts?
 
@dezso @jcolebrand said that jokingly
 
10:38 PM
@ypercube I would normally agree but he changed his answer almost immediately after I posted mine
 
@dezso except the answers there are disputable
 
@bluefeet Yeah, his first attempt was a joke.
 
You won't like Cole when he's angry.
 
@AaronBertrand ?
@AaronBertrand so you're swatting the hornet's nest, eh?
 
ENOUGH WITH THE DISCUSSION OF ROWS VS RECORDS.jcolebrand 2 mins ago
 
10:42 PM
@jcolebrand that's already been done. Might I remind you that you indirectly invited this discussion. Trisped keeps pushing for official proof that he is wrong. — Aaron Bertrand 57 secs ago
@AaronBertrand as an aside, the answer's been accepted :)
 
@swasheck I noticed that. Still won't encourage me to answer his next question.
 
@swasheck on the SO post you mean?
 
@AaronBertrand and that is entirely your perogative. :D
 
@AaronBertrand don't blame you
 
@AaronBertrand and it has been provided. He can dispute that we have provided proof, but we have. We even have a standing SE Q to answer the fact. Since it has an official question, there is no compelling reason to have it become a comment debate on meta. — jcolebrand 54 secs ago
 
10:44 PM
@dezso yes
 
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Q: What is the difference between a "record" and a "row?"

swasheckThere was a rather innocuous question about adding dates and times in SQL Server that set off a rather fascinating taxonomic debate. So how do we differentiate between these related terms and how we use them properly? Row Record

 
@swasheck I didn't like them either
 
@CadeRoux c'mon ... can't you cite sources on the intarwebs? perhaps UrbanDictionary?
 
changed the wording accordingly
 
@AaronBertrand i'd rather debate whether or not Peyton Manning will get the best of Uggs Brady in a few weeks
 
10:50 PM
I like how swasheck jumped on the rep bandwagon to steal that question from us :p
 
@swasheck I found plenty of sources - do you really think that's necessary? I guess so, since we've already had one person try to redefine the best practices.
 
@CadeRoux it was mostly a joke
@swasheck A licensed publication is not official. A licensed publication is allowed to present the authors personal preference and suggestions. — Trisped 25 mins ago
Web based would be better, yes. — Trisped 25 mins ago
 
So, who's jealous of my time entry system?
 
@jcolebrand i get +5 for every upboat. you get +10 for every upboat. seems that i made a tactical error
@billinkc not me. i dont have one
 
@swasheck Would you believe this is not the worst system I've used
 
10:53 PM
@billinkc the folks here have to use Kronos ... i hear it's "fun"
 
@swasheck should I add links to MSDN or are the mere names and reference of MSDN sufficient, do you suppose?
 
here you go, folks
 
@jcolebrand It is really hard to keep up in a fast going comment debate. Do you know what is even harder? Keeping up when the old comments are edited at the same as there are coming in new ones. Sorry if I stirred the pot to make things worse.
 
At the in between job, I had to basically enter a 32 character alpha numeric value in a font that didn't distinguish between a 1 and an l. I'd have PMs provide hand written lists of charge codes so it was a roll of the dice whether I'd get the right or valid code
 
fffffffffffeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrpppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
"Rows are not records."
 
10:58 PM
@MikaelEriksson I like how my bold caps comment shut that whole thing down tho ;-)
Like a woman's body and illegitimate rape ;-) [that man will never live that comment down]
 

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