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2:00 PM
Peruvian, Columbian, Japanese, Mexican, Cajun, Geman, Amish...
 
and that's just the workforce at McDonald's
 
:)
I don't know that there are any North Korean restaurants, but there are many South Korean places within a few miles.
 
@ElendilTheTall Err perhaps this was under some previous version of the requirements, then.
It would make sense to rectify them.
But I'm sure abuse similar to what I described took place.
Or, "abuse": to be honest, I find those rules a bit silly.
 
I don't have a basis to even really have an opinion, it's just completely foreign to me.
 
@Jolenealaska what is?
 
2:10 PM
But I have a knock-off Rolex.
Like Parmesan has to be Italian.
 
ah
it makes sense to me
 
I think factual claims on the packaging should have to be correct, so not "from Parma" if it isn't really from Parma. But "Parma ham" can be (and normally is) interpreted as "like the famous ham from Parma", which is not factually incorrect.
 
That makes perfect sense to me because it's the way of your country.
 
If I started buying value salmon, slapping it in a new package and call it 'Line Caught Wild Alaskan Salmon' you'd be a bit pissed off if it was as advertised
 
True.
 
2:12 PM
Only because that really means it is from Alaska.
"Alaskan salmon" is not the same as "Parma ham".
 
But Kraft Parmesan doesn't claim to be Italian.
 
Because salmon is not a processed food, so to speak.
@Jolenealaska Then I don't care.
 
@Cerberus well, it is factually incorrect
to me, Parma ham is ham made in Parma
 
Really?
That's weird.
 
Parma-style Ham maybe
 
2:14 PM
Yes, it means Parma-style ham to me.
 
or just Prosciutto
 
But salmon doesn't have a style.
 
There is no sense of it being fraudulent when it doesn't mean anything to us.
 
So Alaskan salmon really means it's from Alaska to me.
And prosciutto just means ham to me.
 
2:15 PM
@Cerberus sure, it means uncooked, cured ham
which is what it is... why drag Parma into it?
 
There is the stilo parmigiano, si?
 
Serrano, Iberico and Speck are all uncooked cured hams - why not label it Parma Serrano Iberico ham and cover all the bases?
 
I'm sure it's different from serrano and similar hams.
Or it should be.
But, either way, I would only forbid it if it truly misleads buyers.
 
right - which is why you shouldn't label Parma style ham made in holland as Parma ham
 
I only agree if that would mislead buyers.
 
2:17 PM
it would
 
But I don't think it would.
 
it would mislead me
 
Really?
 
If I see Parma Ham on the label, I want it to be from Parma
 
How about sauce hollandaise?
Pasta bolognese?
 
2:17 PM
It doesn't mean that here, so we are not misled.
 
@Cerberus those are different and you know it
 
There is a fine line between deception and just naming something after a style.
 
@Jolenealaska oh yes you are, you just don't know it!
 
@ElendilTheTall I don't know, I really wouldn't expect Parma ham far away from Parma to be from Parma.
Except in the EU, because of the regulations.
 
@Cerberus then why call it Parma ham?
call it prosciutto
 
2:19 PM
After the presumed style.
I would never use an Italian word for "ham"!
Just as I don't call red wine bottled the French way "vin".
 
philistine
incidentally, what is the Dutch for ham?
 
Israëlite!
 
'jam'?
 
Ham.
Jamon is Spanish.
 
thievery!
 
2:20 PM
NOU!
 
@Cerberus i know, I ate a fuckton of it a few weeks ago
 
I expected you to know.
 
now that I think about it, the Spanish call cooked ham 'jamon York' ie York-style ham
 
But I had to show off that I knew it somehow.
Haha!
Hilarious. And would you forbid that?
 
absolutely
come the revolution, you'll all be put against the wall for violating the Trade Descriptions Act
 
2:22 PM
We have a ton of charcuterie here in supermarkets named after all the regions in the world. Well, in Europe.
 
we won't shoot you, you'll just have to stand there and think about what you've done
 
And hardly any of them come from those regions.
@ElendilTheTall That's not very Thatcherite of you.
 
@Cerberus i'll take that as a compliment
 
I expected cold iron.
 
The deli counter at my local grocery carries 2 or 3 domestic brands, every product is labeled - nutrition, origin, price, price per ounce and ingredients. At a minimum.
 
2:23 PM
@Cerberus what about Greek yoghurt
 
@Jolenealaska Sure, the origin has to be on the label here, I think, but not in the name.
 
here, something like Greek yoghurt not made in Greece will be labelled 'Greek-style'
 
@ElendilTheTall I would be shocked if that came from Greece.
It's cheap.
 
but would it be labelled Greek or Greek-style?
here we have both
 
Greek!
We have no such word as Greek-style.
 
2:24 PM
Both here too.
 
A. It is an ugly word.
 
well, we do
it's not a word, it's a heiphenation
 
B. "Greek" can mean "Greek-style" in context, so that wouldn't make sense, imho.
 
I mean, I know the Dutch have little style (tiny brightly coloured spectacles anyone?), but I assume you have a word for it
 
Hyphenation created a double-barrelled word.
@ElendilTheTall As little as the Brits, that much I'll admit.
Adidas track suits...
 
2:25 PM
oh yeah, we don't have any world famous designers or centres of fashion or anything
 
Don't make me post pictures of British tourists in Amsterdam!
The ones I see every single day in my street.
 
Don't make me post pictures of Savile Row suits!
 
Usually stag parties...
 
I thought you were all about tulips!
 
@ElendilTheTall That one I'll give you.
 
2:26 PM
And wooden shoes.
 
and execrable cheese
 
I wear wooden shoes 24/7, I thought everybody did?
We don't often venture beyond the dikes.
 
And legal pot before pot legalization was cool!
 
2:28 PM
 
Those are so cute
 
Yes, we have pot machines in public buildings that blow out pot smoke at visitors.
 
@Cerberus Did you see the package I finally received from the UK? (Not disparaging the Royal Mail in any way)
 
@Jolenealaska (couldn't care less :) )
 
Oh, the one that went by Australia?
That is rather funny.
 
2:31 PM
Yes:)
 
it's odd that, because there's a program on called BORDER FORCE AUSTRALIA
and it basically shows that the Aussies are voracious package openers
 
they'll open anything that looks vaguely suspicious
perhaps because it wasn't destined for them they just thought 'fuck it'
 
Well the customs declaration put those kids of fears to rest.
 
Kids of Fear ^
 
2:35 PM
I emailed the shop and told them that I had received it (showed them the picture, that blew them away too). They said to consider the package a housewarming gift :)
DAMN!
 
if you're wondering, yes, I purposely waited until it was too late for you to edit it
 
I was doing so well, too!
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!
 
<deep breath>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
<cough>
 
2:37 PM
OH! Cerby, I'm loving Dragon.
I spent 5 or 6 hours with it earlier.
 
Oh!
Great!
Which version did you have your father buy?
 
Installing it was a bitch, but it's easier to learn than I thought it would be.
13 Premium.
 
Good.
 
@Cerberus oh, you bitch
;)
 
Quoi?
 
2:42 PM
'which version did you have your precious rich daddy buy?'
you couldn't have just said 'which version did you get'? oh no!
(I am only teasing)
 
Well, that would be accurate!
 
Tsk!
I am as poor as Joly!
 
(and FWIW, I agree. It's terrible how Jojo just sponges off her dad on the daily)
:D
<runs>
 
The thing is, I was going to say buy, not get, so my mind had to adjust the sentence from that when I remembered it was her father who was to pay for it.
 
Quora had a interesting question today.
 
2:44 PM
@Jolenealaska we'll be the judge of that
 
Heh.
 
Do our kids owes us anything for raising them? 50 answers all saying no, are you nuts?
That seemed kind of appropriate today.
 
Hmm.
 
nothing but the respect enough to listen to what we have to say in an effort to help them, I'd say
my sister-in-law is getting on for 25, and still lives with her parents, pays no digs. Her attitude: "You had me, you have to support me until I'm ready to go"
 
IF they are worthy of respect.
 
2:47 PM
@Jolenealaska well, yes. Respect always has to be earned
here's a question: what is the most counter-intuitive true thing you know?
mine may very well be that, if you drop a bullet and fire a bullet at the same time, they will both hit the ground at the same time (in theoretically perfect conditions, starting at the same height, natch)
 
That is a piss poor attitude, but it's her attitude, that doesn't address what they owe.
 
@Jolenealaska I know. I was expanding the conversation a little. Sorry
I didn't realise we were to have a formal debate on the issue
 
I say that because I was paraphrasing too.
 
This is how I think of you.
 
2:52 PM
After reading the picture, hover over it in chat.
Or on the website, doesn't matter.
 
HA!!!!
 
That's awesome!
 
that dude is a genius
 
Yeah, some of his uhh cartoons are superb.
 
2:54 PM
he's done a couple of books IIRC
 
I believe so.
 
HA!!!
 
@ElendilTheTall You should one-box them!
Just post the link to the page, not to the image.
 
Jeez guys, I really need to go to bed!
 
2:57 PM
@Cerberus yes, that's true
sorry dude-I-can't-remember-the-name-of
@Jolenealaska you're not backwards in coming forwards are you?! oh, you mean to sleep
 
My landlord is coming through tomorrow! I've got ...
baah
shitload of work to do!
 
sudden lapse into your sheep alter-ego there?
 
Haha.
 
For a second I thought that was a reference to "landlord".
WTF??
 
@ElendilTheTall Or she is really a sheep, trying to lure innocent chatters to her uhh flock.
 
3:00 PM
From now on we shall call her Ovine The Terrible
 
I'm laughing so hard I can't stand it.
 
Yay!
 
i'm struggling to see how it happened
you finished off the first sentence with an ellipsis
baahed
then carried on like nothing had happened
'Excuse me while I baah... As I was saying... '
 
Hehe.
 
this is fun. How will I die using unicode symbols
I will apparently die licking a hat
well, gotta go somehow!
 
3:03 PM
You're deliberately trying to sabotage the one-box, aren't you?
Have you no mercy on my OCD?
 
@Cerberus no, it's just not an image :P
 
I had to respond to your most recent comment before I could continue typing!
 
click it and see
@Jolenealaska yeah yeah, woolly. tell it to the sheepdog!
'I'm going to get a border collie'
I'll bet you are!
 
Ah, I see.
 
AND! I can get a dog at some point!
 
3:05 PM
@Jolenealaska i know, you told me the other day, hence the reference
 
That'll do, Pig.
You know that line, right?
 
I only saw half of your reference 'cause I have to look at my fingers to type!
I should be using Dragon, but I'm pretty much toast.
I don't have the concentration power anymore....So on that note...I will see you guys soon. G'night.
 
baa-bye!
 
 
4 hours later…
7:33 PM
<blows the Horn of Summoning>
 
I am here
 
a wild mod appears
that horn actually works!
was that just incredible coincidence, or do you have a particularly good ear for virtual horns?
 
@ElendilTheTall This is my second summoning today in the hour
@ElendilTheTall ear/eye
and I'm pretty complient
 
what brings you to the Frying Pan this fine eve?
 
As in, I don't mind coming to the rescue
@ElendilTheTall Literally saw your summons on my 'favourite chats' list
 
7:35 PM
other than the horn of summoning
ha
I don't recall seeing you here before
and yet we have the honour of being a favourite chat
 
You all seemed groovy cats last time I stopped by, so I favourited it
My last Q I discussed here was "Does grease proof paper need greasing?"
 
ah
no, but yes
 
4
Q: Do I need to grease, grease-proof paper?

PureferretThis feels like a very silly question, but I'm about to bake some american style cookies, and I wanted to know if I had to grease the grease-proof paper first, of the idea was that 'grease' would would out of the stuff being baked?

 
no it doesn't need it, yes it's a good idea anyway
but baking parchment is better anyway
 
@ElendilTheTall That being the stuff you wash rather than chuck?
 
7:37 PM
no
that's silpat
baking parchment is a silicon impregnated paper
 
@ElendilTheTall "impregnated" snicker
 
it has much better non-stickness than greaseproof
an impregnated snicker would be great, if it gave birth to litters of baby snickers
your vocabulary suggests to me that you're British
 
@ElendilTheTall Well deducted old bean
 
and deduced
I am just nosying at your profile
Gloucester eh?
 
@ElendilTheTall Yup
 
7:41 PM
Gloucester... Gloucester
trying to think what I know about Gloucester
it has a cathedral
that's about it...
Gloucester_shire_ now
Cheltenham
GCHQ
Racing
the Cotswolds
Is Bristol technically in Gloucestershire?
 
7:55 PM
well, that horn of summoning doesn't work for long does it?
 
@ElendilTheTall Sorry easily distracted
@ElendilTheTall I has ADOS
 
autism?
or some kind of command line file management system?
 
Attention Deficit....OOOOHHHHH SHINIES!
 
lol
i see you're familiar with all the medical terminology
 
8:11 PM
@ElendilTheTall Ayup
 
@pureferret How does Java development mesh with ADOS
 
@ElendilTheTall I absolutely love Programming....it is the shiny
 
how do you keep track of all the SuperDuperMethod superDuperMethod = new SuperDuperMethod();
 
@ElendilTheTall eclipse and <kbd>ctrl+space</kbd>
 
I have been doing a bit of Android development recently
good fun
 
8:14 PM
@ElendilTheTall Is it the androidyiest?
 
absolutely
I have never done any Java programming before, and I've built 3 apps!
now I have flitted over to learning Laravel
I am a code butterfly
 
@ElendilTheTall ...?
 
Laravel? It's a PHP framework
 
@ElendilTheTall Ughh....
PHP....ughhh
 
everyone says that
it's no worse than Java :)
besides, using Laravel makes PHP almost Java like!
It's object-oriented and everything
 
8:18 PM
@ElendilTheTall I've absolutely seen someone look at PHP 'psuedocode' on a T-Shirt and say "Hah, that will never run" until someone came and said "Obscure language feature X means it will treat the methods calls as strings, and output ABC"...
 
When I first learned it, I was baffled by if ($variable) { // do stuff }
where's the comparison?!
 
8:44 PM
@ElendilTheTall That's what baffled you?
 
I am easily baffled
I like coding, but I am not a natural at it
 
@ElendilTheTall Noone is
You're literally writing words at a computer that make it push electrons around to do something
The thing is it's difficult enough that anyone that can stick at it will be doing it for years, over which time they'll get good at it
 
maybe, maybe
 
9:46 PM
@ElendilTheTall Did your horn belong once to a Queen Susan, by any chance?
 

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