The Frying Pan

derobert

7:01 PM

@SAJ14SAJ Hmmm, Wikipedia tells me git's initial release was April 7, 2005. Probably sometime around then.

SAJ14SAJ

That seems unlikely.

i cannot stand using any of them, as they interrupt my workflow.

We need something with really good Visual Studio integration.

derobert

"On 16 June, the kernel 2.6.12 release was managed by Git.[16]" from teh wiki

Not all of the cool kids switched to git immediately, but pretty much they all started switching to DVCSes

There was (and still is) also Mercurial, and there were a few others that are mostly gone now—arch/tla, Bazaar, ...

Darcs, that's the other one

For a while, there was SVK, which was DVCS built on top of Subversion. But that's been dead for a few years. I think everyone decided to use a real DVCS instead

SAJ14SAJ

All I know is that until a couple of years ago, the cool kids used svn. Now they seem to use git.

Except for the hg faction.

derobert

Yep. Pretty much git and Mercurial won the DVCS wars.

SAJ14SAJ

I use "copy the directory to zip and keep a few".

derobert

7:12 PM

Its actually rather funny that both Mercurial and git were started in response to the same thing—BitKeeper's free version going away.

SAJ14SAJ

Never heard of that one.

derobert

BitKeeper

BitKeeper is a software tool for distributed revision control (configuration management, SCM, etc.) of computer source code. A distributed system, BitKeeper competes largely against other systems such as Git and Mercurial. BitKeeper is produced by BitMover Inc., a privately held company based in Campbell, California and owned by CEO Larry McVoy, who had previously designed TeamWare. BitKeeper builds upon many of the TeamWare concepts. Its key selling point is the fact that it is a distributed version control tool, as opposed to CVS or SVN. One of the defining characteristics of any dist...

SAJ14SAJ

I kind of inferred that :-)

Why oh why doesn't my LDAP query return result?

It should return exactly one result, damn it.

var search = SearchBuilder.Create(_session)
    .Cx(Cx)
    .FilterLiteral("samAccountName", samAccountName)
    .Scope(SearchScope.Subtree)
    .Execute();

That is my custom fluent LDAP query syntax.

derobert

$ fortune bofh-excuses
BOFH excuse #53:

Little hamster in running wheel had coronary; waiting for replacement to be Fedexed from Wyoming

That's why your LDAP server isn't cooperating.

SAJ14SAJ

That must be it.

BOFH?

derobert

7:17 PM

bastard operator from hell... a rather morbid sysadmin humor series

SAJ14SAJ

Hmmm.... you have a surfeit of wierd practically useless command line tools :-)

Addomg debug code suggests that if I set the variable values properly, I might have better results.

derobert

LOL, that'll do it

SAJ14SAJ

I am being punished for a major module working perfectly the first time. This tiny little one is rife with error ;-)

derobert

Hah, the bugs shall have their vengeance.

Always.

SAJ14SAJ

It does seem that way.

derobert

7:23 PM

anthony@Zia:~$ fortune food
Why do so many foods come packaged in plastic?  It's quite uncanny.

SAJ14SAJ

Arrrggghhhhhh

Cerberus

Don't you hate how much material is wasted in packaging?

It's often so very inefficient.

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ what happened?

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus OFten. Trend seems to be improving.

@rumtscho See very bad pun immediately preceeding.

Hi rum.

rumtscho

@Cerberus yes, it is. Sadly, inefficient sells better in this case.

Cerberus

7:32 PM

@SAJ14SAJ Yeah, really? I see few signs of such a change.

@rumtscho Is that really true?

I mean, sometimes the extra packaging is function, but often it's not.

SAJ14SAJ

Amazon has had a positive influence. For example, m cable came with no packaging other than the bag it was in. No cardboard, no plastic.

Even apple switched from all plastic and fancy to cardboard and minimal.

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ I was concerned that you are being eaten alive by C# bugs, so disregarded the pun.

Cerberus

That's good.

This is the worst kind.

SAJ14SAJ

Google is wasting only 1.2203 x 2^35 bits per query now, instead of 2.75 x 2 ^ 25.

Cerberus

Wats?

SAJ14SAJ

7:34 PM

@Cerberus Yes, I loath that type of packaging. I keep a pair of kitchen sheers in my office just to open them. And as long as retail shoplifting is a real problem, that packaging problem probably won't change.

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ did you mistype something, or are you being sarcastic? 2^35 bits is better than 2 ^ 25?

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ Meh I don't think that's the real reason?

SAJ14SAJ

Sorry, typo. But the whole thing was non-sensical.

Cerberus

My computer shop doesn't even have dongle in the shop: they're behind the counter.

And the same applies to online ordering.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Yes, in that particular case, it is exactly the reason. It is very hard to open, so you don't open it in the store to put it in your pocket, and too large to put in your pocket with the excess packaging.

Cerberus

7:36 PM

Source?

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Common sense.

Cerberus

I seriously doubt it.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Then in this case you would be seriously wrong.

Cerberus

Those dongles are very cheap.

Who would steal them?

There are other, cheaper ways to counter this hypothetical shoplifting.

rumtscho

@Cerberus you'd be amazed what kind of stuff gets shoplifted

SAJ14SAJ

7:37 PM

> Responding to retailer needs, clamshell blisters answer theft threats. Yet some packagers look for less costly alternatives.

I wasn't speaking to that particular item, but to the general class of clamshell packaged items.

Cerberus

I think one reason is advertising: if it's larger, it's more visible. That way, the large packaging is actually in the interest of the manufacturer rather than the shop owner.

rumtscho

You seem to assume a rational thief who does an informed cost-benefit analysis before he shoplifts. But in fact, this kind of criminal doesn't shoplift, he does more profitable types of crime

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ The whole class should be burned!

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus I don't disagree, but that is the major motivator for it. It is also the reason why CDs were packaged in the "long box" at the dawn of the CD era.

Cerberus

@rumtscho No, I meant for the shop owner it matters less if cheap items get stolen once in a while. Larger items are more expensive to ship and store and display.

@SAJ14SAJ Long box?

SAJ14SAJ

7:41 PM

Cerberus

Those are CDs?

SAJ14SAJ

Yes. in long boxes. So the picture probably dates from the mid to late 80s.

Cerberus

I don't recall such packaging...then again, I have never in my life bought a CD, except as a present.

SAJ14SAJ

I forget what babies you all are :-)

Cerberus

Hah.

My friends bought CDs, though.

SAJ14SAJ

7:42 PM

BAB enf Мал

Cerberus

Ow...

Why the capitals?

And what languages?

rumtscho

Indeed, the first CD I had in my hands was Rammstein's Du riechst so gut. So it must have been after 1998 (the year Du riechst so gut appeared).

SAJ14SAJ

Its baby, Cerb. I am being silly, but english, french, and russian.

rumtscho

baby :)

Cerberus

Ahh.

The game you hated so much, eh?

SAJ14SAJ

7:44 PM

I couldn't sleep.

Cerberus

But I think enfant is more like child?

SAJ14SAJ

Probably, but well within the spirit of the game from what I took last night.

Cerberus

I know bébé...

> French
Etymology

Nickname given to Nicolas Ferry (1741–1764), renowned throughout Europe as the court dwarf of the Polish King Stanisław Leszczyński. Possibly derived from bab- (babiller, babine) rather than adapted from English baby, although this may have contributed to the diffusion of the word.[1]

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert It worked. It works much better if you call Establish before using the authenticated LDAP connection. I don't know why I wrote it that way :)

derobert

Heh. My query turned out not to be so bad.

SAJ14SAJ

7:46 PM

:-)

How many sub selects and sub sub selects? :-)

derobert

SELECT
    center, id, beg_date, end_date, last, first,
    tier1_name, tier2_name, tier3_name
  FROM master_customer mc
  WHERE
    center = :1 AND id IN (
      SELECT id FROM master_customer mc2
        WHERE
          tier1_name = :2 AND center = :3 AND center = :1 AND id != 99 AND id != 98
          AND beg_date = (
            SELECT max(beg_date) FROM master_customer mc3
              WHERE center = :1 AND mc2.id = mc3.id
          )
    )
  ORDER BY id,beg_date

SAJ14SAJ

That isn't too bad at all.

derobert

Hmmm... something is wrong there. Got center in there twice. Oops.

SAJ14SAJ

Oh, you haven't tested it yet?

:-)

derobert

Oh, it works fine, its just redundant

SAJ14SAJ

7:49 PM

My new LDAP based code returns results including group memberships in less than a second, compared to the AD code that took about 15 seconds.

derobert

Fix the redundant center. Added a comment even, so I don't make that mistake again :-P

SAJ14SAJ

:-)

I find a high percentage of my comments these days seem to have a URL pointing to the bug, work around, or explanation of the method on the web.

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ you seem to be a big believer in the immutability of URLs

SAJ14SAJ

@rumtscho At some point, you have to decide whether the risk of linkrot is worth the trouble of copying everything into the source code and cluttering it up. And important URLs like major blogs angs and bug trackers tnend to be permalinks. Also SO.

derobert

Hmmm. I almost never have just a URL. Also put in a brief summary.

Not everything gets into web.archive.org, unfortunately

SAJ14SAJ

7:55 PM

I am willing to accept the risk that major open source projects like Dojo won't take down the permalinks in their bug tracker, and that SE links are good. PLus ,yes, I usually put in a few words.

But I don't write paragraphs when someone else already has.

Dojo even fixed a bug I reported :-)

Cerberus

You could do as you do, but additionally, at the end of the document, add the link plus a long quotation.

That way, it won't clutter up the code, but you can still find the info offline.

SAJ14SAJ

Go ahead, puppy, teach me to suck eggs :-) :-)

Cerberus

Excuse me?

SAJ14SAJ

Its an english idiom whose actual real world antecedent is probably long gone. "Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs."

Cerberus

I offer a serious suggestion in good faith, and as a reward I am mocked? Very well.

Jolenealaska

8:20 PM

I've just rejected about the 20th attempt to vandalize a particular answer (mine) with spam. This is getting annoying.

derobert

@Jolenealaska Maybe bug them cooking.stackexchange.com/contact or I think the email is team@stackoverflow.com ...

@Jolenealaska Or if its all one answer, I think a mod can lock it, so it can't be edited.

Jolenealaska

Ok, I'll try it. This has been going on for better than a week, 2 or 3 spam messages a day.

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert Any hi rep user (I think it is 20K, might be 10K) can protect a quesiton.

Jolenealaska

All but 1 or 2 have been the same answer. A couple of times I've seen the same thing with another answer to the same question. There might be more of those that I haven't seen, since it's only the vandalism of my post that shows up in my inbox.

derobert

@SAJ14SAJ 15K, I think. But that stops new answers from low-rep users, I don't think it stops edits.

Jolenealaska

8:30 PM

Would you protect this question?

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert Ah, that may be true.

@Jolenealaska Sure for whatever it is worth

Jolenealaska

it's this answer that keeps getting hit:

1

A: Ganache by pouring before fondanting a cake

There is no reason pouring ganache wouldn't work for this. 50/50 cream to bittersweet chocolate will work just fine. Just move quickly while the ganache is warm - you shouldn't have any problem at all.

SAJ14SAJ

Done.

Jolenealaska

Thx, I'll look for new edit attempts and let you know.

derobert

I checked in a private browsing window... Anonymous edits are still allowed.

Jolenealaska

8:35 PM

Perhaps there is no reason anonymous edits should be allowed period. What's the point in allowing them?

derobert

Somehow, I resisted submitting spam for ACME Brand iPhone Cases

Jolenealaska

:)

This guy seems to have a shoe fetish.

SAJ14SAJ

@Jolenealaska The SE staff seem to believe deeply in anonmyous.

derobert

@Jolenealaska Anonymous users sometimes provide useful edits. Not sure what the ratio of useful to useless is.

Jolenealaska

Hmmm. Registering doesn't seem to me to be too much to ask before you're allowed to mess with the words of another poster.

I'd be interested to see that ratio.

derobert

8:42 PM

@Jolenealaska Well, you're not allowed to mess with them directly—either the OP or 2 established community members have to agree.

Jolenealaska

Yeah, but still. I actually reject a fair number of edits, but don't a lot of people just kind of glance and accept if it doesn't look spammy?

derobert

Hopefully not!

SAJ14SAJ

There are not that many people here on SA who have the rep to do it and are active.

derobert

cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/40567/… needs a reject as well

SAJ14SAJ

Dpme

derobert

8:47 PM

@SAJ14SAJ protection doesn't help, but that suggested edit needs rejecting

Jolenealaska

Done

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert Yeah, well....

Protection should exten d to edits, but the culture here is past is perfect. If I suggest it on the new MSE, it will be roundly rejected, and I don't want to deal with that.

Jolenealaska

So that whole thread is getting it, it's not just my answer.

derobert

I suspect the real problem here is how few active folks there are... On a site with an active userbase, the edit queue never sticks around that long. People may skip reviewing edits that take thought, but obvious vandalism is quickly rejected.

Jolenealaska

Oh yeah. I'm guilty of that myself.

SAJ14SAJ

8:51 PM

I don't review any more.

derobert

Oooh, time for wings.

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert I hope that means chicken, and not the 1990s television program.

derobert

@SAJ14SAJ Yep, means chicken. Deep fried, of course.

Jolenealaska

It seems we keep getting people who appoint themselves grammar police for a while...too many minor, minor edits. I did it myself for a few days until I asked about it on meta. But it wasn't dozens upon dozens.

SAJ14SAJ

They do it because you can get up to 1000 rep 2 at a time for approved edits.

Jolenealaska

8:54 PM

god

derobert

Trivial edits are supposed to be rejected.

SAJ14SAJ

@derobert I used to, a lot.

Jolenealaska

I do reject the very minor ones now if I see them. Some are borderline and I don't always feel like thinking that hard. If I want to put effort into the site, I'll research a new answer.

SAJ14SAJ

I want the idiots to get discouraged and go away.

Jolenealaska

Like mike and ollie?

SAJ14SAJ

8:58 PM

He she or they would be a classic case, yes.

Jolenealaska

Yeah, they're kind of on my last nerve too.

SAJ14SAJ

I don't go out of my way to hurt their feelings, but I don't worry if the proper review, vote, or flag may be discouraging.

And I figure every rep point over 50k is meant to pay for downvotes ;-)

Jolenealaska

That reminds me. I'm due to come up with a fun question on the English Learners board. There's a 50K+ user there that puts bounties on my fun questions.

I need a good YouTube clip that suggests an interesting question.

I just about choked on a jellybean the other day...was it Jefromi? It was a question about the Maillard reaction. It was the closest I've seen here to a moderator calling someone an idiot.

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