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2:00 AM
The thing is, if you translate the words directly from Latin and Greek, they mean the same thing; but they have acquired slightly different technical meanings (which have developed identically in French and English).
 
Yes, I still think that "solo" and "mono" are the roots you meant
 
Yes.
 
but can't think of many words with them
 
8 mins ago, by SAJ14SAJ
mono solo?
 
monorail?
 
2:01 AM
solve
solvent
solvents
 
I don't think solvent is connected to solo
 
@rumtscho By the way, I didn't say those exact letters, just the right roots.
Think...theatre.
 
solphege?
 
sololique
 
monologue
 
2:02 AM
monologue
 
@SAJ14SAJ Almost ding, but wrong spelling!
 
@%$@%@ the spelling.
 
Monologue is correct!
Soliloquy.
Loquor = I speak.
Logos = something spoken or related to language, reasoning.
 
I learned today that "timeo" means "I fear"
 
Legô = I speak.
 
2:04 AM
which surprised me a lot
 
@rumtscho Correct!
Why?
 
because I have an ex-colleague called Timea
 
Timid.
Timorous.
Oh haha.
 
from Romania, they speak a Roman language there
 
Intimidate.
 
2:05 AM
I want a snack.
 
hee-tal-fer
 
@SAJ14SAJ Are you bored to tears yet?
 
My kitchen is really not configured for snackage.
I have been bored for the last episode and a half of house.
 
@rumtscho Hmm...so many possibilities.
 
what? I have never seen a boring episode of house
I am only in the middle of the third season, I hope it doesn't get stupid in later seasons
 
2:06 AM
Heester, heel, heed, heem, heen...
 
@Cerberus eng/fre/ger
 
Ahh.
 
oh, you guessed it anyway
 
Heed, heel...
Oh, yeah?
 
it is heel. Talon in French, Ferse in German.
 
2:08 AM
Ohh I had no idea.
I only know English talon.
 
dic dic Раз ==== ger eng rus ==== OR eng ger rus
 
I almost wanted to say Dictionary
 
Razputin?
 
but there isn't a German equivalent
 
Very greek, but I am not that obvious.
 
2:09 AM
dictator?
 
Dichotomie?
 
@Cerberus Yes Ja Da
 
I have no idea which words in German are spelled with a c.
 
I expected that to be much harder.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Haha really?
 
2:09 AM
yes, Dichotomie would pass, if we take Russian to be Razlika (which is actually difference)
@Cerberus they normally aren't
 
dic dichotomoy Разделение
 
I think Diktator is with K too
 
That is what the translator said.
 
It was a rather random guess: I was thinking perhaps some words with ch might keep the c in German.
 
but Dichotomy has a CH
 
2:10 AM
Yay!
 
Dichotomie
 
cuc (spanish) coc (English) kak (German)
 
cock
 
Haha.
Probably!!
 
no
 
2:11 AM
Ow.
Kakatu? No idea what that would be in Spanish or English...
 
cocular
cochrine
 
no, not Kakatu, although it might fit. I don't know what it is called in Spanish.
 
OK.
 
kokatu is a website for gaming news.
 
It must be something onomatopoeic.
 
2:12 AM
@SAJ14SAJ I think you mean Kotaku
 
Cockerel.
 
So close.
That is the same word as cock.
 
Yeah.
 
no, not a cockerel.
 
It must be either excrement or a bird.
 
2:12 AM
cockle
 
Kakeln?
 
neither excrement nor bird
 
Kakeln would be cackle.
Is it a sound?
 
but it is indeed a natural thing
 
I knew it!
 
2:13 AM
not a sound. A noun for a thing.
 
So not an animal.
 
Actually, it is an animal :)
 
Ow.
 
cocoa
cocodile
 
Animals are hard.
 
2:14 AM
I meant "thing" as something physical, opposed to the abstract notion of "a sound"
 
So it wasn't cockle?
 
no, not a cockle. I don't even know what it means.
 
It is the very bottom or base, as in cockles of the heart
 
Mollusc.
@SAJ14SAJ Oh I only know the animal.
 
Yeah, I guess it is a clam like thing too
 
2:15 AM
Cockroach!!! Kakkerlak!
 
Eeeeew
 
@Cerberus ding
la cucaracha in Spanish
 
Yay!
Ahh so that's what cucaracha means!
I only knew it was an animal to be feared.
 
I thought this would be easy, as one of the few "famous" animal words from Spanish
 
Thought it was a monster.
 
2:17 AM
I am going to find a snack.
 
So the Spanish word must have a Germanic origin.
 
You can do all dutch ones for a minute or three
 
Haha.
des/bur/cек
 
desk
with bureau in french
 
Ding!
I knew it would be too easy.
 
2:19 AM
and I guess a mistranslation, "sekcija" is a "section"
 
Do you know the Bulgarian?
Nope, not that.
The Bulgarian also exists in Dutch, oddly.
 
No?
 
Now that's a nice riddle for you.
It is what Wikipedia told me, and I know it is mostly correct.
Think, what kind of word can be used in both Dutch and Bulgarian, but not in English (that I am aware)?
 
Interesting, because "sekcija" can be used as an element in a multi-part storage system, like Ikea's Pax. And also there are cases in which "bureau" is a synonym for "office" in Bulgarian, and "sekcija" is a synonym for some administrative offices/branches.
 
Oh, funny.
A desk can be a kind of office, like a help desk, or some cog in the system of an academic institution.
But this is something else.
I would say it is not 1000 % the same as desk/bureau, a bit more specific.
But Wikipedia gives it as the translation of desk.
 
2:23 AM
I wonder what could be more specific than desk
 
It does exist in English btw., now that I think about it.
But as an x desk.
Rare.
I would not expect the Bulgarian word to be exceedingly uncommon, if it is used as the articles that desk links to...
 
Bulgarian and Dutch share almost no words. Beyond stuff like second and sextant, I can't think of much.
 
Well, Dutch has secija, obviously, sectie.
 
nothing which is even remotely connected to furniture.
 
From which Indo-European branch could it come?
 
2:26 AM
latin, connected to Second
 
Latin, yes, or a daughter language...
 
or the root in dissect and sectie
french?
security desk?!
sekretar!!!
 
Ding!!
 
This is practically never used in Bulgarian for a desk
 
Secrétaire in Dutch.
 
2:28 AM
Its main meaning is "secretary", as the person
 
A desk is a generally wooded piece of furniture and a type of useful table often used in a school or office setting for various academic or professional activities such as reading or writing on or using a computer. Desks often have one or more drawers, compartments, or pigeon holes to store office supplies and papers. Not all desks have the form of a table. For instance, an armoire desk is a desk built within a large wardrobe-like cabinet, and a portable desk is light enough to be placed on a person's lap. Since many people lean on a desk while using it, a desk must be sturdy. Desks w...
@rumtscho No, with an e.
You see the link?
 
@Cerberus In Bulgarian, the word "секретар" means male administrative assistant. Almost always used in the female version, секретарка
 
@rumtscho No, no, with an e.
 
@Cerberus Now I saw it, funny
 
Секретер () е писалище с отделение за заключване на ценности и с подвижна дъска, която се сваля, за да може да се пише. Често горната му част се състои от библиотека, затваряща се с две вратички. Обичайно представлява цялостна, неделима конструкция, непригодена за разглобяване след производство. Вижте също * Бюро
 
2:30 AM
I have seen the word in use for furniture, but as far as I remember, written and spoken with an A
 
Most Dutchmen by far wouldn't know secrétaire. The assistant is a secretaris.
 
I think most people in Bulgaria wouldn't ever have heard of it
 
OK so the same as in Dutch?
So the Wiki link need some love.
A secrétaire is a special kind of desk.
 
Бюро (), известно по-рано и като писалище, е вид мебел с формата на маса, но с добавени чекмеджета и/или полици и служи за писане, четене или работа с компютър. Най-често се среща в офис, но и при домашна обстановка. Исторически бюрата се изработват от дърво, но напоследък се предпочитат по-леки конструкции като метални тръби, стъкло, имитация на дърво.
 
Yeah that makes more sense.
 
2:31 AM
Bureau is the generic word for Desk in Bulgarian
 
Dutch bureau (or buro, yuck) is also the normal word.
 
As the first sentence says, the actual slavic word is Pisalishte
 
from the same root as Pisha, I write
 
Secretariat.
 
2:32 AM
@rumtscho I'm sure. But cекретер was more fun hehe.
 
but everybody has been calling it bureau for at least the last 70 years
 
@SAJ14SAJ Secretary desk.
 
@Cerberus Secretariat the horse.
 
@rumtscho I don't think we even have a Germanic word. Desk is probably Scandinavian btw.
 
@Cerberus Germans say Schreibtisch
 
2:33 AM
@SAJ14SAJ Quoi?
 
@Cerberus He was very, very famous. As far as horses go.
 
@rumtscho Right. I guess maybe schrijftafel exists, or existed in the 19th century...not sure it was ever used to mean bureau? Could be.
Hmm my dictionary says schrijftafel = bureau, writing desk/table.
 
@Cerberus this sounds more like the clay slates used for learning to write when paper was too expensive to waste on pupils
 
Haha.
Yes, a tafel can be a table or tablet.
 
ah, I know why I connected it this way
Tafel in German means blackboard
 
2:35 AM
Kleitafel can mean kleitablet = clay table/tablet.
Tafel never means table, as in Dutch?
@rumtscho Oh, wait, no, that's slate, not clay.
We would call those a lei. The stone is leisteen.
 
No, table is tisch
 
Right.
 
Are you two not done with furniture yet?
 
It's interesting how table/tafel can mean tablet still, but mainly in an historic context.
Like the Twelve Tables.
 
There are only 10 Tablmandments.
 
2:38 AM
A table as in a spreadsheet is a tabel in Dutch (stress on the e).
@SAJ14SAJ What?
There are 12.
The Law of the Twelve Tables ( or Duodecim Tabulae) was the ancient legislation that stood at the foundation of Roman law. The Law of the Twelve Tables formed the centrepiece of the constitution of the Roman Republic and the core of the mos maiorum (custom of the ancestors). The Twelve Tables came about as a result of the long social struggle between patricians and plebeians. After the expulsion of the last king of Rome, Tarquinius Superbus, the Republic was governed by a hierarchy of magistrates. Initially only patricians were eligible to become magistrates and this, among other plebeia...
 
@Cerberus Mine was much funnier.
 
Commandments?
Pah!
Since when are we Christian!
 
@Cerberus Its easter.
 
We shall not let some monotheos command us!
 
We might.
Our entire legal system is based on that @%@%@%.
 
2:41 AM
We bloody might not!
Our entire legal system is based on Roman Law.
 
We don't believe in Romans. They were mythical.
 
Which is why it is still an important course in Law at university.
My father still had to learn Latin in order to study Law, a summer course, or he wouldn't have been admitted.
 
He probably also believed in unicorns.
 
Pacta sunt servanda.
Corpus delicti.
Amicus curiae.
 
Cerberus crazius.
 
2:43 AM
All of those terms and many more also used around the world in law, including in your country, of course, which also bases its law on Roman law.
 
Complete fantasy. Fabrication. Mendacious lies!
 
Habeas corpus.
@SAJ14SAJ Your system is the British system, which is based on Roman law like all European systems.
 
You are just making that up to be silly, because you are up way past you bedtime.
 
Are you serious or joking?
This is an indisputable fact.
A number of Latin terms are used in legal terminology and legal maxims. This is a partial list of these "legal Latin" terms, which are wholly or substantially drawn from Latin. {|class="wikitable" width="100%" ! Term or phrase ! Literal translation ! Definition and use ! English pronunciation |- | a fortiori |from stronger |An a fortiori argument is an "argument from a stronger reason", meaning that because one fact is true, that a second related and included fact must also be true. | , |- |a mensa et thoro |from table and bed |Divorce a mensa et thoro indicates legal separation without...
 
Its a high christian holiday. If the romans were real, they would all be dead, and it wouldn't be. QED.
And we all know Wiki is not reliable.
 
2:47 AM
Okay, so not serious.
 
@Cerberus Now you are just dismissing me because you are suffering from your delusions.
 
Okay, I am not even going to respond to that. You know these things as well as I do, and there is no point in discussing this any further.
 
Poor doggie.
I was just employing the rhetorical technique you yourself taught me in the context of coffee makers and office buildings once upon a time.
 
Is that a pig hanging out of a car window?
 
2:57 AM
@SAJ14SAJ do you need a new glasses prescription, or is this some joke/trap?
this is an alpaka hanging out of a car window
might be a lama. Or a just-shorn sheep.
but there is nothing porcine about it.
 
It looks nothing like an alpaca.
 
Yeah, the creature from the car doesn't look like either of those :-)
 
it has shorter wool
 
I think the one on the right has shorter wool.
 
3:02 AM
it might be shorn, or it might be another animal of the same family. Not sure I will be able to distinguish between alpaca and lama in a full frontal picture, lamas are kind of distinctive from the side.
But the thing in the car looks totally like an alpaca.
 
@rumtscho I think you are confused on that.
 
Pigs have a snout. Not a triangular nose with a visible septum below it.
 
Its head is far to wide compared to its hieght to be an alpaca.
 
are you seeing the same picture as I do?
We see almost nothing of its height
just a little bit of neck
which is too long a neck to be a sheep. Or a pig, for that matter.
 
Height and width of the face, Rumi.
 
3:05 AM
Alpacas have round faces
 
It is an alpaca.
 
@Cerberus yay!
 
It is not in the least alpacesque.
 
It was kind of in the file name...
 
Plus, if it was a ruminent, it would be pooping in the car.
 
3:07 AM
@SAJ14SAJ it is sufficiently alpacaesque for me to recognize it from the first sight
 
@rumtscho There are not even any alpacas on your continent.
 
OK, so I wasn't 100% sure, but it was the most probable animal. Other guesses would have been an alpacaesque lama, alpacaesque vicuna, or alpacaesque sheep.
 
Or alpacaesque human.
If those can be cross-bred.
 
@Cerberus That was the short dark haired one on the right.
 
@SAJ14SAJ The South Americans won't be happy if they noticed you claim them to be on your continent
and there are alpacas in Germany
 
3:08 AM
They like me because I never use the word America to refer just to the United States.
@rumtscho We have pandas too.
 
@SAJ14SAJ good for you. Do they fight with the grizzlies for Lebensraum?
 
I hope not, the Grizzly would win every time,. What is Lebensraum?
 
ecological niche in this case
but philosophers have imported the word into English. It means "room for life", literally
 
Pandas are obligate herbivores, grizzlies are meaner than germans whose lederhosen are four sizes too small.
 
herbivores or not, I don't want to meet an enraged panda
 
3:12 AM
Lebensraum is primarily used in the context of the rise of (German) fascism.
 
Sure, no not a person against a panda. They are still bears. But grizzlies, are, well, grizzlies. Meaner than anything except a black bear.
 
@rumtscho How do you know one of us isn't an enraged panda bear?
 
We might be.
 
@Cerberus your paws have enough dexterity to type. Not like panda sized paws in the middle of an adrenaline rush.
 
I might be talking through my Sekretar.
 
3:14 AM
They hold a bamboo twig in their mouth and use it to press the keys, Rumi.
 
Or that.
 
@SAJ14SAJ if they have enough self control to do it, they are not enraged
 
Oh, pandas partition well. They are cold berserkers.
 
I just imagined "pandas partition well" said by a butcher
 
:-)
I guess a better term would have been compartmentalize, but I couldn't bring it to mind.
 
 
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10:44 AM
Here's a rather frightening picture to start the week:
 
 
6 hours later…
5:13 PM
@derobert My FireTV has arrived--amazon was fast. My quarter sheet pans and fitting silpats have also arrived. Not sure which is more exciting.
These will fit in my Breville oven.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Hmmm, maybe you can toast marshmallows over the Fire TV?
 
:-)
The Fire is tiny. I have had larger hamburger patties.
 
Well, tiny could be good. Nice focused heat on the marshmallow, without burning your stick
 
I hope I use it more than you are using your new toys, at least that you have told us abuot.
 
The Chromecast I use for Hulu all the time. And for Play Music.
 
5:18 PM
I was thinking of your Sansair.
 
Well, I haven't posted all of them, but yeah... Haven't used it as much as I'd like. Haven't had much time for cooking this month :-(
 
Too much pool management?
The fire has an optical SPDIF out.
And a USB port.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Yep. Far too much pool management.
And landscaping walks. And emails. And...
@SAJ14SAJ Wow, TOSLINK, I have one of those only—from my TV back to my receiver. Everything else is HDMI...
 
LIfe as an evil overlord is not easy?
 
5:34 PM
Yeah.
I need to find a quality trusted lieutenant.
 
They always turn on you in the end, you know.
But you might get a few good years.
 
They either turn on you, or you shoot them for some trivial failure.
Either way, it makes it hard to find a good one...
 
You could turn your face from evil....
 
But, I've been studying the evil overlord list! That'd be so much wasted effort...
Actually, better link. Better, in the sense of "more evil".
 
Don't confuse evil sunk costs with the need to continue :-)
I haven't read the list in a while. Any new good updates?
 
5:42 PM
I don't think its been updated in a long time. But of course, TV Tropes has tons of links and also some of their own...
@SAJ14SAJ <--- @Cerberus look! I almost got him to talk economics!
 
@derobert It was really game theory
 
@derobert Woohoo well done!
One more nudge and his soul will be lost.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Keep telling yourself that.
 
I have already fallen in with you lot, Cerby.
 
@Cerberus Look how much better I'm getting at this evil thing.
 
5:45 PM
@derobert Hmm is it really evil now to devour people's souls?
@SAJ14SAJ Scary!
 
@SAJ14SAJ Apparently TV Tropes has three additional lists at tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/…
 
I cannot go any where near that website during working hours.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Though you needn't worry, I'm about to write some SQL far more evil than anything I've done as HOA president...
 
@derobert Even evil overlords don t deserve that
 
I have a table that has [start date, end date, id, attribute1, attribute2, ...] ... and I have that displayed spreadsheet-like in a web app. Up top are things that work sort of like an Excel auto-filter.
But it doesn't make sense to display only some of the records for an id, you have to display them all.
So, you do a filter on attribute1='Bob', and that might match only one of the five records for id=1, but you still need to display all of them
That SQL isn't so bad, it's just a fairly simple subquery
But I'm considering changing it to only display its (haven't decided on which): (a) the last record (highest start date); (b) the currently-active record (based on start date, end date, and current date) OR a future record (based on start data and current date)
SQL for those sounds more scary.
(b) doesn't seem that bad. (a) OTOH, probably requires another subquery....
This is in Snoracle, BTW.
 
6:03 PM
Ick?
Some of that may be better suited to client side filtering.
 
6:18 PM
@SAJ14SAJ That'd be a fair bit of JavaScript to write. But yeah, that might be better. But even more work.
 
One would hope you are using a framework which makes it fairly easy.... but who knows.
 
6:54 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Nah, this app is older. The only JS framework it uses is prototype.
 
Holy 1990 framework Batman!
 
Its not quite THAT old... :-P
Though there are other annoying things too. Like, for example, its in Subversion, not git.
 
When did the cool kids switch from svn to git?
 

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