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8:29 AM
Morning all
 
Hi Lindy. Its still last night :-) Woke up at midnight and still haven't gotten back to sleep....
 
tut
allow me to assist you
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sheep again
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are you counting?
 
I am watching House episodes.
But for some reason that is striking me as really, really funny.
 
It's probably Lupus
 
Not so far on any episode I have seen, but they bring it up a lot.
On the other hand, reality doesn't get that close to this show...
 
8:43 AM
No
I watched about 3 seasons, then it began to get samey
 
Oh, it did that.
But they have the woman who played Donna Moss on West Wing guest starring in this episode.
IT was driving me crazy, trying to figure out who she was, to the point I started looking on IBDB, but then I recognized her voice.
 
1. Unexpected illness strikes unexpectedly 2. House and his team come to a tentative conclusion and begin treatment 3. Patient gets a little better then crashes 4. House realises that something incredibly unlikely is happening and that the illness was actually helping the patient or something, and does something crazy without stopping to explain to his colleagues, like stabbing the patient in the brain, everyone is appalled, then the patient makes a full recovery in time for the credits.
 
You have missed the required mis-diagnosis.
Nearly killing the patient is also good.
But that woman who plays Cuddy is spectacular.
 
Lisa Edelstein
she is hot as all get out
 
Yes, she is amazing. Nearly as good as the lady who played HG on Warehouse 13.
 
8:48 AM
ooo, Jaime Murray
a Brit, IIRC
 
I think so, but I would be willing to overlook it.
The needle is pegged, even with the penalty.
 
awfully good of you
 
I try.
 
would you like to see some photos from my recent trip to the land of the Scots?
 
Yes, but I have to apply my vacation photo rule. Limit is three :-)
This rule saves your sanity, let me tell you!
 
8:53 AM
ok, 3 it is
 
You missed... I don't see Nessie.
 
wrong loch
 
There is a strange tension between the top and bottom of that photo.
 
What is that?
 
8:55 AM
rocks and Loch Lomond
 
I don't see any lakes. The rocks look they should be on mars or something.
 
the loch is at left about a third of the way down
 
Ooooh, science fiction fantasies in Scotland!
That is nice.
 
Saved the best for last :)
 
How long did you have to wait to catch that?
 
8:58 AM
I spent about 45 minutes there
Taking various shots
 
Did you also see a unicorn?
 
I don't live by your rules
 
BAD Lindy, Bad.
 
@SAJ14SAJ nah, they were all chopped up and deep fried years ago
 
Also, that one isn't nearly as good as the first.
@ElendilTheTall I didn't realize unicorns were suitable for high heat cooking methods.
 
9:01 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to say nearly so good, but it's not as good
I like them both equally for different reasons
 
The windmill or whateve on the left brings it back into the real world.
My new sheet pans arrived today, or yesterday or whatever it is at this point.
They will fit in the toaster oven.
 
is this cause for joyous celebration?
 
Sheet pans are always exciting. Pizzas could happen.
Cookies are possible.
Roasts feasible.
 
pff, not good pizzas
 
They are very good, they just aren't thin crust pizzas.
 
9:04 AM
pff, you could do thick pizzas in a pan
may I ask why you don't have a proper oven?
 
This style.
I do have an oven. The toaster oven actually performs better for pizzas.
It has convection.
Plus, the small sheet pans also, and I know this is crazy but it is true, fit in the larger oven.
 
Being the tits, I have a standard and a convection oven
 
I wish I had two ovens. Well, I guess I do if you count the little one.
 
@SAJ14SAJ It is useful for sure
especially for roasts
especially for slow cooked roasts where a single oven is too cool for roasting potatoes or making yorkshires
 
9:23 AM
I thought the whole point of YP was to absorb the drippings from the roast above? Otherwise, its just a giant popover.
 
@SAJ14SAJ nope
never heard or done that
 
And you call yourself an Englishman?
 
If I have dripping in the fridge, I will use that
but normally I use vegetable oil
it gets hotter
besides, I do small individual yorkshires in a muffin tin, they rise better
so they are essentially popovers
 
Erm... aren't individual yps just popove.... never mind you beat me to it :-)
 
evidently Yorkshiremen brought them over when they popped over
to, y'know, found your country
 
9:25 AM
I aren't following you.
That is probably deeply insightful, but I don't know where York is.
Or even if it is in a Yorkshire.
but we have a new, improved one. You may have heard of it.
 
I've been. Both old and new Yorks have their separate charms
 
:-)
 
New York is a massive metropolis buzzing with energy and life, old York is relatively small but utterly charming, with winding cobbled streets, flanked by buildings hundreds of years older than some countries I could name, with the occasional massive cathedral to add a touch of awe
oh, and they have the most amazing fudge shop on earth
 
Ah yes, tiny streets.
 
it's made on site, by hand, and cut into massive slabs of awesomeness
 
9:29 AM
Isn't that the general pattern in fudge shops?
 
I am sure it is wonderful, but I am not going to look at a website for a fudge shop I can never vsiit. It would just make me hungry and give me fantasies of making fudge.
 
Not clikcing. Willipower.
Must.... not.... click.... link.
 
9:32 AM
It looks like bread.
 
It is a thick gooey slab of unctuous deliciosity
 
I could make other visual comparisons, but that may not be polite.
 
A tender pleasingly crisp outer, with a soft, creamy gooey interior
 
Fudge should under no circumstances whatsoever be crisp.
 
maybe you'd prefer lemon meringue pie flavour
 
9:33 AM
God no.
 
well, perhaps not crisp
 
My taste in fudge runs to... chocolate. You know, fudge.
 
I couldn't think of a suitable adjective
fudge != chocolate
but if you insist - chocolate caramel
 
Fudge, by definition is chocolate. Everything else is a perversion of the term for soft amorphous sugar crystal candies.
 
dark and white chocolate
 
9:34 AM
Are you quite finished?
 
fudge is sugar, butter and milk
chocolate doesn't have to be involved
 
That is so incorrect.
 
Fudge is a type of Western confectionery, which is usually soft, sweet, and rich. It is made by mixing sugar, butter, and milk, heating it to the soft-ball stage at , and then beating the mixture while it cools so that it acquires a smooth, creamy consistency. The product is sold in a variety of flavours, and fruits and nuts are sometimes added. Origins American-style fudge (containing chocolate) is found in a letter written by Emelyn Battersby Hartridge, a student at Vassar College in Poughkeepsie, New York. She wrote that her schoolmate's cousin made fudge in Baltimore, Maryland i...
 
Wiki has many errors. This is one.
You probably just edited it.
 
Nope
But it does say American-style fudge contains chocolate
I say, why limit yourself?
 
9:36 AM
They meant "superior" :-)
 
no, they meant chocolate fudge
 
When did you first know you had a fudge fetish.
 
ooo, Mississippi Mud Pie flavour
> Invented by our Cambridge team, a generous dollop of handmade toffee is added to the batch as it is poured out onto the marble slab. Added to this is a glug of freshly brewed coffee and a smattering of intense dark chocololate chips. Then , just before the fudge is loafed, chunks of Chocolate fudge are added to the batch and sliced into generous slabs.
 
Hey, we have a cambridge too!
 
I've been there
it's not nearly so picturesque as ours :P
but I did have an excellent burger there
 
9:38 AM
Toffee would be a good add-in to fudge.
 
yes, that's what fudge needs - more sugar and butter
 
What cannot be improved with sugar and butter?
 
they do a chocolate mint fudge that is out of this world
the perfect after-dinner fudge
 
I find the ambition of most chocolate-mint confections exceeds their grasp.
 
This one grasps it fully and kicks it in the ass
 
9:44 AM
Sadly, I will never know. Unless you want to send it FedEx.
 
> Delivery to Overseas is possible but delivery times are estimates and cannot be guaranteed, delivery times will depend on your local service.
how many pounds would you be ordering?
 
I don't know... how flush are you feeling?
With the new job and all....
 
Hey, I'm just the fixer
you buy your own fudge buddy
that needs a comma
you buy your own fudge, buddy
 
Comma definitely required.
I could get fudge here in the US... shipping costs are probably less.
 
but not this fudge
it would be Americanised - full of hydrogenated corn syrup and inverted doodads and artificial whatnots
 
9:49 AM
i live several thousand miles and a major ocean closer to the world fudge mecca in Lancaster, PA than you do.... I will live without that fudge.
But full points for rhetorical creativity.
 
world fudge mecca - band name of the day
 
:-)
 
Coincidentally, Lancaster is the arch-rival of York
here in the homeland of both
 
I will have to cancel my ticket to the Saturday Night Strombolis concert.
 
The Wars of the Roses, or War of the Roses were a series of dynastic wars for the throne of England. They were fought between supporters of two rival branches of the royal House of Plantagenet — the houses of Lancaster and York. They were fought in several sporadic episodes between 1455 and 1487, though there was related fighting before and after this period. The conflict resulted from social and financial troubles that followed the Hundred Years' War, combined with the mental infirmity and weak rule of Henry VI, which revived interest in the alternative claim to the throne of Richard...
 
9:54 AM
Ancient ferin history.
Its 6:00 AM.
Darn.
 
@SAJ14SAJ never darn when you've lost sleep - you'll have someone's eye out
 
I don't darn. No tatting either.
 
tatting?
 
It is the verb for making lace by hand.
I suppose their are industrial tatting machines, too.
 
no doubt
Autotatters
Rototatters
 
10:07 AM
:-)
 
Autorototatters
 
Turbotatting.
 
Turboautorototatters
 
Those are no doubt the most expensive.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Sounds like something cable TV will make a reality show about.
 
10:08 AM
@SAJ14SAJ no, those are iTurboautorototatters
 
Hey Gaumboy.
@ElendilTheTall Yeah, you pay a lot extra for the "i".
 
That is really creepy.
 
 
Strangely, that is much less disturbing.
 
10:35 AM
Google really need to refine their Glass design
Apart from anything else, it's making that middle guy look really fat
 
 
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12:39 PM
Happy Tuesday, everyone.
 
@SAJ14SAJ waaaay ahead of you
 
@ElendilTheTall 5 hours....
 
@SAJ14SAJ i think that safely qualifies as waaaay
 
I have nothing witty on the timezone difference. It is really bothering me.
 
1:11 PM
@SAJ14SAJ i'll just let it wheedle its way into the exact centre of your brain
 
Now that is just mean.
 
whheeeeedddddllllleeeeee
 
Don't you have a toddler to play with? :-)
 
she doesn't fit in my work bag...
 
She might... have you tried?
 
1:13 PM
she has tried herself, the loon
 
Ah.
And how is Lady? All is well with your future Baby Le Tall?
 
seems to be
 
That is good.
 
no ominous rumblings or suddenly gathering lightning storms
no mysterious dark marks on photographs of would-be enemies
 
Were you expecting some?
 
1:14 PM
there is the whole animals fleeing in terror thing whenever she approaches but that could be anything
 
Hi Rumi
When did the fleeing thing start?
 
Ding! The "answer before you read the question" crowd strikes again on SO
hello @SAJ14SAJ and hello @ElendilTheTall
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Q: How do I remove the border of all <li> elements on the last row?

Rumi P.I saw lots of explanations how to select the last element in a list and remove its border. Also how to select the second-to-last one with CSS3. But this is not enough for my case. I have a horizontal navigation which floats to two columns for mid-size viewports, with a variable number of elemen...

 
@SAJ14SAJ some time around 2004
 
@rumtscho Did I miss something?
 
In the first sentence of my question, I said that it is not enough to remove the border from the last child
 
1:16 PM
@ElendilTheTall Let me guess, you have been married around 10 years?
 
It has to know when to remove the border of the last, and when to remove the border for the two last
 
@SAJ14SAJ nope
 
Yeah, borders are a real pain.
@ElendilTheTall What is the significance of 2004?
 
and two minutes later, I get a three-row answer telling me how to remove the border of the last child :(
 
@rumtscho pretty sure you won't be able to do that without js
 
1:17 PM
@rumtscho But Lindy here is a CSS and presentation expert! :-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ none, just random - you think way too much about my flippant remarks
@rumtscho will there only ever be a maximum of 5 elements?
 
@ElendilTheTall Not 100% certain, no
 
it's going to have to be some kind of scripting then
 
Everybody loves scripting!
 
@ElendilTheTall :(
 
1:20 PM
someone has posted an answer, might work
 
Well, the page is already generated with ASP .NET, so I guess I can attach some classes to the no-border elements on the server side already
 
it's the kind of thing that works well in one browser but not in others though
 
But for some reason, when I added a class manually, it didn't override the setting for the whole list
@ElendilTheTall where is the answer?
 
"Oh, you can't mean a negative bottom margin," says Internet Explorer, "Here, I'll make it positive again for you".
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A: How do I remove the border of all <li> elements on the last row?

Explosion PillsI don't think there is any way in CSS to select the "bottom row" of elements in this way. However, you can obscure the bottom border regardless with a negative margin on the container: .centering-horizontal-nav { margin-bottom: -1px; } http://jsfiddle.net/NEc2u/2/

 
@ElendilTheTall saw it. But I need the border of the container, because if I only use the borders of the <li> elements, there is no border in the last "cell" which contains no <li>
@ElendilTheTall any idea why my class use did not work?
 
1:27 PM
you aren't selecting it properly, you need `nav li.nav-no-border-bottom {
border-bottom: 0;
}`
bah
you need to add nav before the li
 
@ElendilTheTall Why? If I gave the li a class, isn't it independent of the element it is stuck in?
 
@ElendilTheTall Ah the evil, secret CSS incantations.
 
@SAJ14SAJ I swear it's run on voodoo magic. CSS is one thing I'm not going to miss about web dev
 
@rumtscho apparently not :)
 
If those are nav buttons, Rumi, why not just generate them as divs and avoid the table madness? You can then treat each one as a div-button, and make the border elements completely separate or under your control.
@waxeagle Yeah.... how you are, haven't seen you in a while.
 
1:32 PM
they're not in a table
 
@SAJ14SAJ Because this is the first time in my life I am doing this, and the example I stole it from uses <li> :)
 
they're in an unordered list
 
That can be switched, I assume.
I am not one of thopse people who believes semantically the nav buttons must be in a UL. Bah.
 
personally I'd ditch the borders altogether, but hey
 
But how is making the lis into divs different?
@ElendilTheTall I want to be some visual distinction
else it either gets too cramped or I have to up the negative space between them
 
1:34 PM
meh, do that with hover
 
I would just generate them dynamically, and then you get block flow.
 
and I have a feeling that the product owner won't be happy about more negative space.
 
@SAJ14SAJ doing well. Been busyish, our company decided to go forwards with MS Dynamics, so getting acclimated to that, hopefully we get access to training materials ASAP
 
without seeing the page I don't why you have it in 2 columns either, it's weird
 
@SAJ14SAJ The whole point of CSS is to not put display logic into the dynamic generation
 
1:35 PM
This is my main menu.
 
@ElendilTheTall This is a responsive design, the two columns are meant for window sizes larger than a phone and too small for one-row navigation
 
There is n presentation in the HTML, its all in the style sheet.
I just generate the buttons to order, I get to see all 9 modules. Others get subsets based on their roles.
<div class='toolContainer'><div class='tool'><a class='public' href='getDirectoryInfo.html'>Identity Assistant</a></div></div><div class='toolContainer'><div class='tool'><a class='admin' href='admin.html'>Administration</a></div></div><div class='toolContainer'><div class='tool'><a class='admin' href='stores.html'>Identity Stores</a></div></div><div class='toolContainer'><div class='tool'><a class='query' href='getHrInfo.html'>Query HR Information</a></div></div><div class='toolContainer'>
It says the full HTML for that is too long to post in chat. But you can see there is no presentation stuff.
And in this particular case, I use A elements, but that is a detali.
 
@rumtscho ah
 
@rumtscho You are very ambitious! :-)
 
well, I have gone and done what I swore I would never do
after having sold it, I have rebought Skyrim
 
1:44 PM
@ElendilTheTall How do you sell it? And why would you rebuy it. I got it from steeam when it fell to $29 in a sale, and tried playing it. I found it completely unplayable as a mage, my favorite class. It went from easy to very hard to impossible in the first mage class mission.
I think I even uninstalled it from my hd to save space.
@rumtscho I still like the flow method, because then you can size the parent container and let the things flow within it, so you can adapt to screen Gee I Am a Trees.
 
@SAJ14SAJ you can sell games to game stores
either for cash or part exchange
 
@ElendilTheTall Never tried it....
What is the ratio like?
 
I have played it as a Breton mage, a massive Orc warrior dude, various sneaky Elven thieves, the works
@SAJ14SAJ varies with the popularity/rarity of the game
if they have loads of a game in stock, you get not much
 
Here is seems like it is 8 to 1 or worse, so what is the point....
But I admit to not keeping up with the used games market.
I haven't bought a physical media game in I don't know how long.
Although I might spring for a Nintendo 2DS. I love all the RPG games the little consoles attract.
 
meh, I hate Japanese RPGs
too cutesy
and why the fuck do they all still use godawful serifed fonts?
 
1:48 PM
I like strategy RPGs and tactical RPGs. Its a good platform for those.
I don't know about serifed fonts... what games are you thinking of?
Stuff like Etryian Oddessy.
And I have been known to capture a pokemon or two, much to my chagrin.
I feed them to my cats.
 
As for Skyrim and magery, while you can just plough through the mage quests, you are probably better off exploring on your own and building up your Destruction and Restoration skills beforehand
 
From what I read, choosing magery in skyrim is a basically the gimp button.
I never went back.
But this was the first mage quest.
 
given that enemies etc are levelled in TES games, I suspect that you may just suck balls
 
I am no uber gamer, but not that bad.
 
I don't recall any trouble with it
are we talking about the first quest for the College of Winterhold?
 
1:55 PM
@ElendilTheTall Yes, the one where you go to the bottom of a pit, then through a durngeon, and there is agiant skeleton.
Everytthing is dealable except that (I assume final) last skeleton.
It killed me every time, before I could even scratch it with Destruction.
You have no defences, and have to be in line of site to attack it, and don't deal enough damage before your mana is exhausted to make a bloody difference. Brilliant design.
 
hmmmm
IIRC, I believe I just sat up on the balcony, hidden, and pummelled him while repeatedly drinking mana potions
mana potions are something of a must for low level mages
LOTS of mana potions
 
Well, I am not going to go back and try it.
If I ever do get the energy to play again, I will take the lesson I have been given and be a dumb warrior.
 

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