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5:00 PM
I think I'm going to start using this, instead of the Meet The Robinsons clip, whenever people start talking about T-Rex. (CC @AviD)
 
pls oszi
 
5:25 PM
Hi all. I'm pretty sure this isn't a question to ask on the site, but I can't seem to find out the answer. I'm trying to get the information on how the University of Central Florida data breach occurred. Where do I go looking for that, or would they not release that information ever?
 
@Raystafarian so unless UCF has released that information, you most likely would not find it
it can make for very interesting blog posts, but people would rather write about their triumphs, not their failures :)
 
Thanks, I figured that was the case.
 
@Ohnana Either this, or the hacker
 
@MarkBuffalo as if they'd share their secrets :)
 
If you find the breach that was leaked online, usually the hackers will tell you how they did it, and deride you for it.
I signed a Healthy Heart pledge downstairs and then got caught with a triple whooper with bacon and cheese
I'll start working on my heart tomorrow
 
5:30 PM
@MarkBuffalo derp
eat moar cheerios
 
AAah damn you XCOm2. Why does mission control got renamed as The Bridge :S
 
lol!
 
@M'vy Heard this is an awesome game. Confirm/deny
 
Started the first mission. Seems coherent with XCom1 gameplay so far. With new mechanics
 
Haven't played XCom1
 
5:32 PM
HI everyone
@M'vy \o/
 
@JukEboX Afternoon
 
@MarkBuffalo dealing with the snow?
 
No. Oddly enough, there is none here. It's pretty warm
 
@MarkBuffalo if you like strategy/tatics games per turn. it's pretty awesome
 
@M'vy It's turn-based?
 
5:34 PM
yes
 
Yeah, I love that. Was thinking of doing a turn-based RPG in Java
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Q: Detecting stack overflows during runtime beforehand

J. RicksonI have a rather huge recursive function (also, I write in C), and while I have no doubt that the scenario where stack overflow happens is extremely unlikely, it is still possible. What I wonder is whether you can detect if stack is going to get overflown within a few iterations, so you can do an ...

 
@MarkBuffalo haha
Ahh, inline asm for that warm, fuzzy, job security feeling :D Nice. — Wossname 5 hours ago
 
I love that one lol
and I love the in-line asm even more
 
5:50 PM
For added hilarity they could have made it a naked function
 
You're a naked function.
 
Hell yeah I am ;)
 
:O
 
Man I haven't been active in chat for a while
@RoryAlsop stop using complex sentences you donut
 
I was about to plan your Internet funerals.
 
5:53 PM
@RoraΖ You should chat here instead of rummaging around on our computers with your NSA CIA DEA JPG EXE viruses
 
I am above the law!
 
Besides, I don't want you to find those photos of me in potentially-compromising positions... such as modelling multi-colored yarn products.
 
I'm mostly addicted to Mobile Strike actually
@MarkBuffalo You don't like sweaters?
 
Well, my daughter keeps putting her scarves and hats on me, lo
Those photos can be used for blackmail
 
Depends on how old your daughter is
 
5:58 PM
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I'm sure she'll blackmail me into giving her cookies later
 
6:12 PM
Terrible Twos
 
Fortunately, she's really well behaved
Unless we're asleep... then neither of them are.
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Q: Why would a spammer try to get a (normal) image of mine?

SebbYesterday I found a spam mail in my inbox. I inspected it in order to find out why DSpam and SpamAssasin failed. You can find the raw German mail here, here's a translation: Good Morning. We got to know each other on the website of acquaintances. I want to continue communicating with you, tha...

Is it just me, or is the accepted answer a bit of a fluff post?
Thorsten S.'s answer is far, far better, but that may just be my opinion. I do wonder if the OP is a sockpuppet...
 
not a sockpuppet
 
6:27 PM
rekt
 
the accepted answerer has a reputation for posting tangentially related answers
and never really addressing the question itself
 
@schroeder But he's profoundly gifted!
 
lol
 
His answer looks fine to me, except the conclusion.
Just take a minute to look at the glasses he's wearing.
It tells a lot about the man.
 
I'm sure he's pretty intelligent... in his own way... but I don't really think the answer is anywhere near as good as Thorsten's
 
6:31 PM
I'm happy that you have an opinion, Markus.
 
OP's choice, I guess
 
BOOM! :)
 
@TildalWave Are you in aerospace engineering?
 
@MarkBuffalo neah, I'm into it, but not professionally
not any more at least, and never really the engineering part
 
@TildalWave That's good
 
6:41 PM
@MarkBuffalo if you're interested, this is the context space.stackexchange.com/q/13913/49 ... mind, I've already repcapped today so this is not rep whoring. If it was, I'd say it is LOL
 
Badge-whoring
 
hahaha didn't think of that
 
Yeah, sometimes I repcap almost before waking up
and I just don't care
I think more than half of my points have been lost to the repcap >:(
 
@MarkBuffalo You don't? You should, all those fake internet points are good for you LOL
 
@TildalWave I both do and don't
If I don't recap daily, I will cry in a fire
This is what happens if I'm like 10 points from repcapping
user image
2
 
6:45 PM
yeah, sorry, I can't even imagine that
doh, ninjaed
 
Kidding, I don't even care man
 
I know
 
@MarkBuffalo Also his profile is written in the third person.
The mark of true greatness.
 
hahaha geez you actually went to check that?
 
@diagprov I do that sometimes as a joke
 
6:50 PM
> ... and is considered to be in the profoundly gifted range
you know who else is profoundly gifted? :)))
 
My ween.
3
 
exactly LOL
 
@TildalWave yes.
 
ahh sometimes I think I have a childish sense of humour
 
I initially wanted to see what the related answers were like but I was blown away by the profile.
 
6:54 PM
@RоryMcCune what's wrong with that?
 
@TildalWave nothing really I guess :)
 
@MarkBuffalo I'm not sure this was it, but someone sent a mail to a co-worker using the name of one of our suppliers and he didn't open the attachment because he looked at the address and it was not the usual one. Maybe someone else fell for it.
 
Think we just found a new target for @ThomasPornin.
Such sacrilege!
@AviD What's with the Stitch onesie that's featured from 2014-03-11 to 2014-03-13? Pretty sure it's the first time I've seen it, and you'd think something like that would get an in-comic mention.
And FFS I wish Sohmer and Lar would get with a more sensible dating format in their comic images. Two-digit years? DD.MM.YY, really? Makes me wanna puke. (Sidenote: Why's it always "Sohmer and Lar" and not "Sohmer and Desouza" or "Ryan and Lar"?)
 
@TildalWave u troll
trollin' dem prefernce beanz
100% mispelt
 
7:12 PM
o lawd
 
@RоryMcCune No, you wouldn't be lying. Most of us are odder.
 
@Simon you're a fan of the new pin wall then?
 
I was lawding cuz kalinuh
I'm always fan of seeing my pony on a wall.
 
@Simon only 'cause @AviD isn't here to turn your W into a pony again
 
@Iszi I am not odd
I just think different
 
7:15 PM
@RоryMcCune Are you saying that ovid is useless? Naaaaaaaah, never!
 
@kalina ™
 
(fkin rekt)
 
besides who cares what a random SO mod thinks
it's not like he belongs here anyway
 
Does any of you fogeys have an old turntable that still works like a pro at home?
 
"an old turntable that still works like a pro"?
 
7:17 PM
I WANNA START A VINYL COLLECTION DON'T JUDGE ME
 
all old turntables are belt driven
so no, none of them work like new turntables
 
I said pro, not new.
Pro is usually the antithesis of new.
 
pro=directly driven platter
all the torques matter
 
You're a pro.
Those are probably worth billions of dollars.
 
7:18 PM
are you going to be mean and silly while I'm trying to be nice again?
 
Check out the deleted posts, for example
 
I can just goto the ignore phase again
 
rough example
 
@kalina Your VB days are showing with your "goto".
 
@MarkBuffalo I'm not sure I follow
 
7:20 PM
you annoy me
rolls over and falls back to sleep
 
@kalina sleep is good
 
You'll thank me later when you'll feel super refreshed because you've slept.
 
@RоryMcCune OP is using his real name online. Leads to the company he works for
Says he works for the government, etc
aka failed @ opsec from the start
 
yeah that'll happen
mostly 'cause people don't think of what they're doing as that bad
 
also plans on storing his entire svn repository on the production server
because there's no separation of concerns
 
7:22 PM
well yeah
 
@Simon all the more energy to hate you with
 
I deleted my post immediately after posting it. Not sure if I should undelete it
 
@kalina I don't really know what that's supposed to mean. Probably something I'd grow out of at about age 6
 
@kalina I don't think you really need to hate me but sure.
Embrace the yolo.
 
@TildalWave the guys name was preferencebean
 
7:23 PM
@kalina sure, but what is that?
 
I duno...
preferencebean is just zis guy, you know?
 
I thought it's some cartoon character or something
 
I like the point made here.
 
what on earth made you think I'm into cartoons enough to make some supposedly obscure cartoon reference at your expense?
 
@kalina no no, I thought you googled it or something ... hey, I'm not judging
 
7:25 PM
I mean, apart from me liking invader zim, loony tunes, home movies, futurama, well, I suppose there is a case for me liking cartoons
 
Still, I tell my daughter "You're old enough to play D&D when you're old enough to not annoy the other players." (Note: I said "players", to the implied exclusion of "GM".)
 
if you're into cartoons that's fine with me :)
 
BUT THAT IS IRRELEVANT
you're old enough to play D&D NEVER
DON'T DO IT
 
@Iszi Does that mean that I'll never be old enough to play?
 
@RоryMcCune Can a mod edit the post so it doesn't show previous revisions?
 
7:26 PM
HOURS OF YOUR LIFE WASTED
 
to remove that government stuff... and possibly permanently delete my "deleted" post?
 
@MarkBuffalo dunno guv, never been a mod
@kalina pls
 
@Simon You'll never be old enough to even watch. In-person or on video.
 
@MarkBuffalo SE staff can delete revisions
 
ah, I thought you were a mod
@RoryAlsop You there?
@bluefeet SE staff, hi
 
7:26 PM
@Iszi o well, I guess I broke the rule when I was like 14.
 
@MarkBuffalo lolz no, I'm too soft to be a mod
 
haha
 
@Simon 14?!
 
@bluefeet Are you there?
 
Ya, I was a young nurd.
 
7:27 PM
oh you're talking about nurding
I never got into that
 
o pls
 
@kalina here's was me briefly trying to work out where on a scale of softness "14" comes?
 
For the other thing, I was 15.
If you really want to know.
 
I didn't
 
o
 
7:28 PM
why on earth would you share that information
 
@MarkBuffalo yes (since a few weeks ago). Make sure the latest revision of your post doesn't have confidential information, and flag and ask to have older revisions redacted.
 
oh look who it is
 
Was that supposed to be a national secret?
 
always turning up at the worst possible moments
 
@kalina Yeah, it's Guigui!
Guigui, le petit chaperon rougeeeee
 
7:29 PM
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Q: Is it safe storing revision history on production servers?

Johan Hanssen SeferidisCurrently we use at my workplace svn export <svn_repo>. This takes a long time and I have been playing with the idea to keep the revision history on the production server so we can simply fetch the updates. In practice I was thinking to have a checkout folder with the code. Once I want to deploy...

 
Of course SE folks can't do anything about the archive that Google already has.
 
Il danse dans la nuit avec ses amisssss
 
can you delete the government information in his revisions, please?
also, perma delete my "deleted" post
 
does he look like a mod on SEC.SE?
DOES HE?
 
ffs, I thought he was a mod
 
7:29 PM
FFS MARK
 
Markus, you really have no clue about anything, eh?
 
@MarkBuffalo that can't be done, all mods can do is delete older revisions
 
ah, ok
 
You could undelete your deleted post, make a new revision (edit), delete it again... does that work?
 
You can edit your deleted post
 
7:31 PM
@diagprov Nope, didn't work
 
I hope you've learned your lesson
 
@MarkBuffalo Yes but once you've created a new revision you can then ask for all the others to be deleted
 
Don't post on stack exchange what you don't want leaking in a data dump at a later date
 
@kalina Not me. It's the OP
 
maybe
 
7:32 PM
@MarkBuffalo I don't see a problem, except that the user is clueless and obviously shouldn't touch any of that. But it's not really clear which organization or which specific server.
 
@TildalWave I've already found out
:/
 
@MarkBuffalo why are you determining what should and shouldn't be deleted out of somebody else's post?
 
@MarkBuffalo yeah, that isn't difficult, true
but it isn't difficult to get a lot of info here that isn't really directly disclosed
 
@kalina Well, mostly for his own sake, and for his employer's sake. The guy lists a potentially insecure setup, says he works for the government. A little digging around gets you the information you're looking for... and the OP seems like he's in charge of these kind of decisions, since he's the one making design changes like that
 
it's not your job to protect people from their own stupidity
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7:34 PM
and has root access to the production server, which is likely in violation of a lot of security policies
No clear separation of concerns
 
if you hide his mistakes to the point where they don't bite him in the ass then he could get promoted to a job where he could cause some real damage
 
...that's... that's a really good point
 
we had way worse cases than this one
 
Such as?
 
One time our beloved kalinuh leaked her IP.
I then proceeded to stalk her.
 
7:36 PM
you think
 
@MarkBuffalo lback now
was being dad taxi
 
@RoryAlsop choo choo
 
@RoryAlsop Thought about protecting this guy from his own stupidity: security.stackexchange.com/questions/112896/…
 
I wish I had a dad
 
only one more to go - picking up youngest in 90 minutes from swimming
 
7:36 PM
@MarkBuffalo I'm not at liberty to say :P Let's just say passwords and other PI were unwittingly shared
 
@Simon more like brrm brrm
@kalina Well @RoryAlsop is about the right age
 
@TildalWave Terrible
 
@kalina Would you like to be a dad?
 
@kalina erm - I'm not sure how to respond to that. So many possible pieces of history I don't know.
 
yes, silly me
 
7:37 PM
@RоryMcCune don't do that to me
 
@Simon that's not even possible
 
@RoryAlsop :D
 
@kalina Science is powerful.
 
yet not powerful enough to reduce the amount of stupid contained in the simon
 
@kalina there are limits
 
7:38 PM
o pls
I don't think anyone has ever tried to science the stupidity out of me.
 
@MarkBuffalo you know the best way to do those is not actually to ping a CM in a chat room (unless they are currently active). Best is to speak to mods first. If mod not appropriate, use contact link at bottom of the page. And if pinging in a chat room, include the reason on the ping line - otherwise they will just see "You there"
 
Also, I usually look like a pretty normal human being. I got a normal job, I road rage, I have a donut.
 
@RoryAlsop Alright, thanks
 
Much better to say "I have problem with X. Can you halp plz"
 
I have been cyber stalking this fool, please edit his post to save his future sanity
 
7:40 PM
@MarkBuffalo I'm not sure I actually sent the reply to your inquiry. I wrote it, but it's not in this chat or so it seems.
 
@MarkBuffalo nope
 
@RoraΖ that's just how I talk...
 
guess what I'm doing all weekend
 
Now I want to make a crawler that tries to browse .git and .svn on randomly generated IPs.
@kalina Le sleep?
 
almost!
 
7:42 PM
HORRAY! USB-C fries your machine
 
@JukEboX only if you're cheap
 
LOL
I am pretty cheap
@kalina :P]
 
@kalina travelling?
 
well get out of that habit or skip usb c then
@RоryMcCune flying from the south to the north via the east and the middle of the east and sleeping most of the way except changes
hopefully my plane gets shot down
 
@kalina I don't have anything that runs USB-C. People have been asking me why we haven't been using it. I have been telling them its because they touch themselves at night
 
7:43 PM
@kalina and if you didn't have a messed up body-clock before hand you sure as heck will have afterwards!
@kalina no
 
@kalina -.-
 
@RоryMcCune well it's like 7am
so... broken body clock++
 
@kalina what time did you get up?
 
give or take around the smae amount of time i've been in chat so far today?
 
@kalina ugh, when's the flight?
 
7:45 PM
@kalina not sure just got in just now. Been a busy morning trudging through the snow
 
@RоryMcCune mmh early afternoon or so
 
@kalina well just make sure not to fall asleep now and miss it!
 
I like this question because I do something similar with distributed RCS (mercurial), so I can just "hg push" changes to the server (and yes, the webroot is a subdirectory of the repository). — drewbenn 9 mins ago
???
 
@MarkBuffalo eeep!
 
What's the issue with that if the .svn or .git folder is below the web root?
 
7:47 PM
"directory traversal"
 
@Simon if you don't use .htaccess or similar to block access to it, anyone can just download your entire repo :)
 
Because if the production server, which is usually separate from everything else, contains a vulnerability, then checking out infected files from the production server means your entire enterprise is pwned
 
@kalina You've got a ton of issues anyway if that's possible.
 
Because once you go to test those changes locally in a development environment = owned
 
@Simon web app scanners typically check for it , as it's not unknown, I've seen it on jobs a couple of times
 
7:48 PM
Debugging them, etc
 
I would have expected more of an uproar with me suddenly using the right words
 
@MarkBuffalo that would only be if the attacker had write access to the repo, I'd have thought
 
@kalina We don't buy your "I know nothing about Infosec" thing anyway.
 
and only if you also pull from a production server.
 
@RоryMcCune Which he could get by exploiting a vulnerability in the web app
 
7:50 PM
@Simon that's the only conclusion I can come to, no uproar/surprise = you all accept me as one of your own, basically an info sec pro
 
OP seems to be pulling and checking out from the production server
 
Jenkins pushes to prod through rsync, right?
I assume one of you nurdz are familiar with Jenkins.
 
@Simon Sadly yes.
 
@MarkBuffalo yeah but you're assuming that follows from the exposure of the source code, which isn't a given.
 
@diagprov I thought it wasn't too bad?
 
7:51 PM
@Simon never expose your jenkins servers to the Internet :)
 
@RоryMcCune Yes, yes, but I'm wondering how Jenkins pushes to prod.
 
@RоryMcCune I'm assuming that if the web dev can't grasp basic things such a separation of concerns, then there may be other vulnerabilities, some of which could allow write access outside of the specified location
And if there's a problem with the web server itself, they can no longer confine the damage to the production server
 
@MarkBuffalo sure it's possible but I usually find when discussing the impact of problem (a) it muddies the waters to assume that in all cases it will lead to problem (b) which is more serious, as that's entirely situational
otherwise you'd end up saying "user has bad password" "ahh I can pwn their entire company as people with bad passwords tend to also leave their SSH servers on the internet on default ports with that password"
 
God I am bored
 
@RоryMcCune lol
Yeah, risk management
 
7:54 PM
@RоryMcCune That's pure sensationalism.
 
@Simon exactly that was my point :)
 
Markus must love that.
With his constant NSA theories.
 
@Simon Nah it's not so bad really.
 
security people get slammed for sensationalism, so it's important to talk about concrete risks of a specific problem
to avoid that accusation
 
@MarkBuffalo mods can't delete history. Only CMs. I agree that the OP shouldn't have put the info they did, and I like the edits you made, however it's probably not enough to actually make him a major target, as most contractors working for governments probably do exactly the same
 
7:55 PM
@RоryMcCune Are you talking about Gibson?!?!?
 
@Simon not in this specific instance I wasn't
 
o
I just wanted to trigger some Gibson hate.
 
@kalina we know you know
 
The more I read you guys, the more I'm worried about being the head of this "let's build our first website" project in my company
 
@kalina better plan - take advantage of the food and drink, sleep, and then not get shot down.
 
7:57 PM
@Simon that's kinda redundant
 
@Zachiel Read, research, be paranoid and don't forget to #yolo.
 
@Zachiel actually, what he said ^
except for the yolo
 
@RoryAlsop I added another post
 
@RoryAlsop Especially the #yolo part!
 
@RoryAlsop Noooooooo :(
 
7:58 PM
Hey, I think he's our first Italian.
 
Pushing (ONLY) is not actually a bad deployment mechanism. I wouldn't do it with svn though.
 
@Zachiel that also means you're more likely to be the right person for it
 
Let's celebrate with pastas and pizza!
 
@Simon And not a #yolo person at all.
But I can cook you pasta
 
I enjoy posta
 
7:59 PM
posta
@diagprov Yeah but pushing with what, rsync?
 
pasta posta
 
posta means post in some languages
 

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