The DMZ

A double negative is a grammatical construction occurring when two forms of negation are used in the same sentence. Multiple negation is the more general term referring to the occurrence of more than one negative in a clause. In some languages, double negatives cancel one another and produce an affirmative; in other languages, doubled negatives intensify the negation. Languages where multiple negatives intensify each other are said to have negative concord. Portuguese, Persian, Russian, Ukrainian, Spanish, Neapolitan and Italian are examples of negative-concord languages, while Latin and German...

Rоry McCune

1:55 PM

john (n.) Look up john at Dictionary.com
"toilet," 1932, probably from jakes, used for "toilet" since 15c. Meaning "prostitute's customer" is from 1911, probably from the common, and thus anonymous, name by which they identified themselves. Meaning "policeman" is 1858, from shortening of johndarm, jocular anglicization of gendarme.

M'vy

They definitely agree that the ambiguity exists

Rоry McCune

john has many potential meanings

kalina

like as a name?

every John I've ever known has been boring anyway

Simon

ok

kalina

hello new person o/

how does it feel being new?

may we assist you in any way at all?

would you like assistance?

what would you like assistance with?

how about some cake?

Simon

2:05 PM

Psycho.

kalina

do you like cake?

M'vy

:))

kalina

cake is the best

poke @TheJulyPlot

hello @TheJulyPlot

are you ok @TheJulyPlot

obviously the bot needs restarting

raz

Leave the poor guy alone

kalina

we've not been able to establish that he's poor on account of his lack of communication

stop making assumptions

efesaid

2:10 PM

Hi all ! I have a problem. There is a file that has a strange characters in the file name. How can i find more info about this file ? i59.tinypic.com/rtg4tz.png and i60.tinypic.com/20u5myq.png are screenshots. any idea?

kalina

Well, I—I was hungry. And well, you know, when you crave hands…

I was hungry for hands! Gimme a break!

TildalWave

what's wrong with you?

kalina

@efesaid I'm sorry, everybody technical is away right now, please leave a message after the tone

BEEP

M'vy

@efesaid which directory is that ? /tmp ?

kalina

@TildalWave they haven't found a name for what is wrong with me yet

efesaid

2:12 PM

no /var/www

kalina

@efesaid zomg obv hacked

just format the machine, it's the only way to be safe

M'vy

you can eventually use "file" commad to have an idea of what's inside

TildalWave

to be sure :P safety is optional

kalina

you can fix it by doing sudo rm -rf /

Iszi

@kalina I think the term you're looking for is "nuke from orbit".

efesaid

2:13 PM

yeah i formatted the machine this is image of disk and i am analyzing

Simon

SHUT TOP OSZI

kalina

oh right, you've already done the easy part

damn, now we have to actually help

efesaid

@kal

@kalina

kalina

@efe

@efesaid

TildalWave

@kalina not me, I'll take the dog out

kalina

2:14 PM

@TildalWave that's not nice to say about @simon's mom

Simon

.

efesaid

@kalina i am trying to figure out with find command with -inum but no result

M'vy

anyway that's not the character in the file that wrories me, but rather the suid bits

kalina

@efesaid honestly, I am unable to assist you, you lost me when you linked images from tinypic

@efesaid @M'vy will definitely help you regardless of how long it takes and how much effort is required

TildalWave

@kalina you don't do tiny, right?

efesaid

2:16 PM

@kalina i will never use tinypic.com

@kalina i hate tinypic

@M'vy there is no suid bits on this file

kalina

@TildalWave requires more context obv

M'vy

-rws ?

efesaid

@kalina what is your favourite image hosting ?

kalina

@efesaid that's not something I have a favorite for

in general, though

M'vy

Isn't the file empty btw?

kalina

2:18 PM

when I have to upload an image

I click on the "upload" button in chat

efesaid

@M'vy i am sorry

@M'vy find . -inum 282762329 -exec file {} + tells me that file is empty

kalina

My stomach was making the rumblies... that only hands could satisfy.

M'vy

well the ls kinda gave that away

efesaid

yeah

Simon

@M'vy pls ls -l

M'vy

2:20 PM

@Simon ofc...

Simon

Nice guys don't type des points de suspension, son.

kalina

I do not kill people. That is... that is like my least favorite thing to do.

efesaid

@M'vy server transmit 300GB data since 16th of August

kalina

@efesaid definitely hacked

unless you're uploading 300GB of data

and then it's normal

M'vy

what does it used to run ?

kalina

2:22 PM

Team Fortress 2 server

efesaid

@kalina i already know that we were hacked thats why i format the server.

but i really want to know how did it happen

kalina

well it happened like this:

your server was insecure

somebody found the insecurity and exploited it

efesaid

@kalina can i share one more image via tinypic pls?

kalina

somebody put files on your server while laughing

somebody used your server until you found out

Simon

@efesaid And you'll figure that out by analyzing every single public-facing service on the server.

TheJulyPlot

2:23 PM

@kalina Hi kalina, I hunky dory, thanks for asking! :) How you this fine day?

kalina

@efesaid I obviously need to go AFK so that I cease confusing you into thinking that I'm being serious

@TheJulyPlot significantly better now you answered!

literally made my day!

how are you?

in fact, who are you?

TheJulyPlot

Im glad to hear it!

kalina

why was my day made

what is life

TheJulyPlot

I am TheJulyPlot

kalina

why are we here

what is the point of anything

TheJulyPlot

2:24 PM

life is what you make of it

M'vy

@kalina stop Turing testing :))

kalina

@M'vy :p

TheJulyPlot

Alan the creator

This reminds me of the SANS xmas challange 2014

M'vy

Well I guess, he could stop failling as well. Or at least try no to.

TheJulyPlot

do I pass the test?

Simon

2:25 PM

You're an xmas challenge.

efesaid

@Simon i will definetly analyze every service. I just started from this strange file to keep time spend short

kalina

the test is unpassable

TheJulyPlot

Thank you simon that is very kind of you :)

kalina

@efesaid that individual definitely can't help you, you're far better off listening to @M'vy

TheJulyPlot

Falling for it...presumptuous.

kalina

2:26 PM

@TheJulyPlot that individual definitely can't be kind

TheJulyPlot

Insecurity is the root of all ill-kindness...ironic for a security board.

kalina

not really

anybody really interested in security knows that there is no such thing as being secure

and therefore we're all insecure by definition

TheJulyPlot

not ironic...you are right, many infosec peeps are, probable was the word i should have used

Simon

You're an infosec peep.

kalina

probing is the best

M'vy

2:30 PM

@efesaid you're getting your info from live-os with the old disk ?

efesaid

@M'vy yeah

M'vy

That's weird, the file itself seems not to be dangerous (since it's empty). Maybe it's code injected in the directory itself. Not sure I ever heard of that.

what did you ran on the machine ?

kalina

A species of staphylococcus, Coagulase Negative Staphylococci (CoNS) is antibiotic-resistant and usually resides in human skin and the vaginal tract. While generally less harmful than Staphylococcus aureus, the bacteria are a common cause of bloodstream infections, including those resulting from contact with hospital surfaces and medical devices. CoNS has been found responsible for up to 30 percent of health care-related blood infections.

The bacteria are also prowling around smartphones and other devices. In 2011, a group of university researchers from Ghana swabbed the surfaces of mobile phones from 100 randomly selected students. Fifteen percent of those devices tested positive for CoNS.

efesaid

@M'vy Linux CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core) , uname -a : 3.10.0-229.11.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 6 01:06:18 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

M'vy

@efesaid I meant what services

efesaid

2:37 PM

@M'vy

M'vy

(like apache ? wordpress website ?)

efesaid

yeah only apache

kalina

The same Turkish study mentioned earlier found yeasts on about 1.5 percent of the phones tested [source: Ulger et al.]. Yeast is a fungus that can live almost anywhere on your body. Yeast infections cause immense itching on your skin or vagina and in the case of the vagina, a discharge as well [source: National Library of Medicine]. The good news is that you're unlikely to contract a yeast infection from your mobile device.

"Unless, that is, you're doing some pretty strange things with your phone."

M'vy

@kalina I was about to say that

kalina

let's see what the next topic of conversation should be

aka what is the next link that appears when I randomly click on a link

M'vy

2:43 PM

Anyway @efesaid you should look on hardening technique for your future machine

And be sure to run apache as non-root

efesaid

@M'vy i am sure that apache was not run as root

M'vy

php ?

TheJulyPlot

Vaginal discharge not a good enough topic of conversation?

Hours of fun to be had talking about yeast infections.

kalina

@TheJulyPlot not in here, channel full of men + me by my own

TheJulyPlot

Well you brought it up?

kalina

2:47 PM

well I was just copying and pasting from another website

TheJulyPlot

well that will teach you to cp vaginal discharge and paste it all over a message board.

Rоry McCune

I see I wander off for a minute or two and suddenly this room gets even weirder..

kalina

well

we can talk about vaginal discharges if you want

and also, this isn't a message board

and I don't cp, I'm a Windows user

TheJulyPlot

I dont want.

and what is it?

kalina

it's a Q&A site with a half baked javascript chat

TheJulyPlot

2:50 PM

Well there you go then, every day is a school day.

kalina

no it's not

efesaid

@M'vy php as well

kalina

only a small number of days per year are school days

@efesaid oh, there's your problem

Iszi

@kalina In PowerShell, cp is an alias for Copy-Item.

kalina

@Iszi do I look like somebody who powershells?

Rоry McCune

2:51 PM

@kalina yes

kalina

gross

Iszi

@kalina Just saying, being a Windows user (even exclusively) does not alone preclude you from using cp.

kalina

Write-Host "srsface"

@Iszi do I look like I cmd?

ever

Rоry McCune

@kalina nope more like you powershell.exe

AviD

@RоryMcCune as if it wasn't all your fault, then...

@Adi so go for it! I'm sure you have something interesting to talk about...

M'vy

2:53 PM

hey, tigger's alive! Hello @AviD

kalina

damn, the tigger survived

piglet will be most upset

AviD

@M'vy yes, contrary to the rumours

and some folks most fervent wishes

kalina

by piglet I obviously mean @simon's mom

3

M'vy

@efesaid I don't seem to be able to find any reference for your problem. :S

I was tempted to say "I didn't find no reference" :)) :wink: @kalina

efesaid

@M'vy thank you so much. I will try figure out what is this file and how is it transferred to my server

kalina

2:57 PM

wink

nudge

wink

cheeky grin

universally understood "sign language" for fellatio

2

M'vy

@efesaid The only thing I can thing of, would be some code written in the diretories "file" (since directory are files on unix)

Iszi

@kalina I'm pretty sure there isn't any "let" about that "pig".

kalina

@Iszi true

efesaid

@M'vy me too

kalina

oh right

so... the star list is basically mine

M'vy

2:59 PM

And that does not say many about what cause that. But obviously you were vulnerable

kalina

if the rest of you could vacate the remaining three stars

M'vy

@kalina welcome back

kalina

that would be great...

This is the highest quality post I've ever seen for writing a new line in powershell

Simon

@AviD I don't allow @kalina to say mean things about my mom, where do I file a report?

AviD

@Simon this round basket on the floor next to my desk.

kalina

3:01 PM

@AviD is where you store all of the Simonwhine?

AviD

of course.

Iszi

Funny thing just occurred to me about those "take a number grenades". They're usually placed such that the people who intend to receive most benefit from their effect, are also most likely to suffer the worst from it. If they really were live grenades, of course.

Simon

oszi, master of overthinkingness.

Iszi

Most people just have them on their desk, or fairly nearby. When they really should be like, in the next room behind a reinforced wall.

M'vy

"take a number grenade" ?

Iszi

3:06 PM

M'vy

oh

Obviously sarcasm grenades do not follow the physics rules

TheJulyPlot

Thats assuming the fly handle spring loaded. They may just take a number, and leave the grande sitting there minus a pin fly handle still attached raising the health and safety risk profile.

Rory Alsop

@kalina better ? Yeah, I guess so

kalina

@RoryAlsop yes, not the best, obviously

but also none of those plebeian rories

Rоry McCune

@kalina there's a better rory?

kalina

3:17 PM

@RоryMcCune sure, the best rory is the one responsible for life, the universe and everything

M'vy

@kalina isn't that @RoryAlsop ? we already know he came before all these

kalina

well @RоryMcCune didn't seem to agree

personally I'm not sure it's fair categorizing both the mortal and immortal rories in the same group

Iszi

@kalina I wonder how other, random bits of the log would look if we applied this?

kalina

@Iszi hmmmm... :-)

you're the geek, make it so

Iszi

Kinda like the whole Harry Potter s/wand/wang thing.

kalina

3:21 PM

I'm unaware of that thing

M'vy

@Iszi start with the star list :)

Iszi

@kalina Probably seen elsewhere, but I most remember it from bash.org - they took quotes from the Harry Potter books, and did that substitution. Suddenly, HP seemed quite pornographic.

kalina

the pornification of childrens material is gross

also pornification is probably a good future track name

Rory Alsop

@kalina Wasn't that Extreme's best selling album?

kalina

maybe sample completely innocent sounds from movies and make porn out of it

Rory Alsop

3:24 PM

Pornograffitti

Extreme II: Pornograffitti (A Funked Up Fairy Tale) is the second album released by the Boston rock band Extreme. The title is a portmanteau of pornography and graffiti. The album sold very well, peaking at #10 on the Billboard 200, and was certified double platinum in the U.S. by the RIAA. It is the band's best selling album. Two singles from Pornograffiti, "More Than Words" and "Hole Hearted", reached the top-5 on the Billboard Hot 100. Two other tracks, "Decadence Dance" and "Get the Funk Out", reached the lower half of Billboard's rock chart. In 2010, after the band's reunion in the previous...

kalina

find a variety of female action stars taking falling damage

sample the sound

Iszi

bash.org/?111338

kalina

I think I've just found a purpose for the Tomb Raider movies

M'vy

@kalina and Serena Williams games

Rory Alsop

@kalina Or this one that just uses gun shot samples from Half Life:

Ballad of Black Mesa

►

kalina

3:26 PM

@Iszi "Oh, move over," Hermione snarled. She grabbed Harry's wang, tapped the lock, and whispered, 'Alohomora!"

"He bent down and pulled his wang out of the troll's nose. It was covered in what looked like lumpy gray glue."

ok that's enough juvenile nonsense

Iszi

@kalina Not nearly. Start hitting the random quote button.

kalina

no

I haven't quite got over my exposure to IRC

I don't need a relapse

Adi

3:41 PM

@AviD NDAs, man. NDAs

Unless I'm gonna present just yet-another-one kind of talks

I'm not a big fan of those

kalina

@Adi my favorite things in the world

*one of the NDAs I have signed requires that I love them in public

*or not, depending on which part of the NDA you're reading

Jeff Ferland

Oh, look, Evan Carroll is running for SF moderator again.

Rоry McCune

@kalina they don't know what an NDA is, do they?

kalina

@JeffFerland old news, I do wish you old people would process news in real time rather than in batches, you're no longer sharing computing resources like it's the 80s you know

Jeff Ferland

"It wasn't a derogatory statement. Your practices are clearly inline with Satan and I also worship him. I did not violate your NDA by disclosing them. Only a heathen would consider that a negative statement."

My Serverfault visits are following the same curve my Slashdot visits took.

kalina

3:46 PM

The sad thing is, the same group of people put me and Evan in the same group, thinking we're both trouble making trolls

the fact anybody can believe that somebody as adorable and awesome as I could even be remotely similar to him must make those people wrong and/or mentally inept

Rоry McCune

betabrand.com/poo-emoji-button-up-short-sleeve-shirt.html

kalina

@RоryMcCune ...why?

Jeff Ferland

Because San Francisco.

Rоry McCune

@kalina 'cause you want someone saying "that's a shit shirt" not to be an insult?

kalina

isn't this just the most amazing thing ever:

I'm totally going to have to find one to buy

Iszi

3:50 PM

@RоryMcCune Wow. They've got poo-covered shoes to match. betabrand.com/mens-poo-emoji-ut-lab-tyvek-shoes.html

kalina

I can't believe we're talking about poo covered clothing

you've all just given you right to state any conversation I start is weird

Iszi

@kalina Hey, I didn't start this one.

kalina

that doesn't make it better

M'vy

@kalina I could have believe that a long time ago. But not anymore.

David Freitag

@kalina Who puts you in that group of people?

M'vy

3:59 PM

anyway time to go

Rory Alsop

4:10 PM

so - today I found out that Google is changing its name. I found this out in the Outdoors chat room. Not in here. I'm feeling weirded

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop the alphabet thing, or the new logo?

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag lunch time :)

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune both - well, I haven't seen the new logo yet

not sure I will. Don't think I ever see the Google front page

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah the alphabet thing was kinda intersting, not sure if it was a anti-trust dodge, a prequel to spinning stuff off or both..

@RoryAlsop I noticed that Ingress is spinning off

which I guess was part of the same thing

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Okay, now that is slow.

Rory Alsop

4:18 PM

@Iszi Well, I had had no news articles on it in my twitter feed or RSS feed, I don't read newspapers or watch TV news, so my usual source of tech info now is in here

And you guys (and girl) failed me

Rоry McCune

Aug 12 at 10:06, by Flyk

let me alphabet that for you

you're just not on here enough :op

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune ah - one line in the transcript! This last few weeks I have been having to dip in and out and just catch up with the transcript. A tad busy at work.

Rоry McCune

Aug 10 at 21:34, by Herringbone_Cat

and now google is being turned into a mega corporate leviathan called alphabet

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune dammit - okay

;-P

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop :op

David Freitag

4:29 PM

@JukEboX Indeed. I had chicken salad :D

Rory Alsop

That's where I went wrong today. All I have had today is a coffee, an Irn Bru and a packet of Bacon crisps. Need fooooood

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop How goes the computer build?

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag I think physically it is mostly there - I am awaiting 2 things: a fan power cable adapter (or three) and a new version of Windows. Both are in the post and ETA is tomorrow

Got my monitors - they are gorgeous

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Awesome :D

Simon

You can fly me to Scotland to build it for you if you like.

I don't offer any kind of warranty though.

David Freitag

4:33 PM

Yeah, that psu probably doesn't have many molex power connectors now that I think of it

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag the PSU has millions of connectors

It's the motherboard that is lacking them

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop And it's fully modular :P

Simon

You know what else is fully modular?

Rory Alsop

And I quite like the idea of them all being controlled by the computer

worst case, though, I should be able to power the front three from molex - as they each have a manual speed control on the front

I'd need to work out where to get the right voltages from on this build though

lots of new things from last build I made

And I have yet to see how the box recognises the various drives - hopefully it defaults to the SSD as first drive and I can do a core windows install onto it with user space, swap etc onto physical drives

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop You will select that during the windows install.

Rory Alsop

4:36 PM

probably going to put 6 tB into the box, and another 4 tB external

@DavidFreitag grand

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop There are no less than 8 million hard drive slots

Rory Alsop

I have gone the route of ordering windows 10 - as Microsoft gave me no other option. So hopefully it will be reasonably sensible

David Freitag

From what I have heard it is basically Windows 7