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6:53 AM
Morning all
 
7:11 AM
morning
quiet here
 
7:34 AM
@RоryMcCune mine didn't. If it did, that would have been another unethical point to fight over.
 
@AviD yeah it is dodgy, although that said I can't think of a circumstance where I would badmouth a former employer..
I guess this could be more widely construed though as perhaps even just saying negative things about the industry
either way, dodgy to have it in a contract..
 
@RоryMcCune very.
Reminds me of that deal at the end of Catch-22.
"You just have to like us".
 
oh hai
Oh wait. Evan was there?
 
@schroeder like what? Or feel free to go ahead and edit it in directly...
 
is it really morning already
 
7:49 AM
@kalina was that a question ?
 
rhetorical
 
@kalina so good morning :)
 
so eugh
Please insert coffee and press any key
 
uhhmm. Was yesterday crazy day on the sec.se?
 
no
since @AviD wasn't around it was relatively normal
o u r avid
 
7:54 AM
Ha. Ha. Bloody ha.
 
No tigger were set ablaze for the making of this transcript
 
o, google have changed their logo and favicon
that's going to be a major impact on productivity until the new favicon overrides the old one in my brain and I can easily locate google tabs again
 
@kalina why is this even news?
 
because you're too slow and missed the second line
 
I've been seeing little else discussed everywhere except that.
@kalina NOT. NEWS.
 
7:57 AM
because I browse through my tabs by the little pictures on them because I can't see any text, and thus it's a major impact
 
@kalina I can relate
 
obviously avid uses bing so there is no impact on him
well, other than the impact of being a bing user
 
heh
IT IS A FRIKKIN LOGO
 
AND A FAVICON
 
which is just a smaller, less functional logo
 
8:01 AM
more functional, in the use case of BROWSING TABS BY THEIR FAVICON
stop trolling, I'm not going to bite any further
except on the neck, to draw blood
mmm blood
ooh it's nearly halloween, I need to decide on a costume for this year
oh right, google changing their logo was mainstream news worthy
must have been a slow news day/week/month
what with all the people being killed in the world on a daily basis
 
@kalina this is what I was talking about
 
@kalina hey you, between yesterday reminding me that Christmas is approaching and now mentioning Halloween
 
@RоryMcCune holidaymas?
religion is for idiots, there's no such holiday as christmas
 
@kalina you know what I mean, the time of year where presents are exchanged and too much rich food/booze is consumed
 
might as well stand around the light switch and chant so you can be amazed when flicking it makes it light if you're going to be believe in Jesus
 
8:13 AM
@kalina I'm not religious, I was just using the commonly used term.
 
of course you're not religious, there has been no explosion or flags raised
plus you're far too intelligent to believe such nonsense
 
@kalina thanks :)
 
there is no difference between people who believe in religion and fanatical fans of fiction like Star Wars fans or Trekkies. In fact, that's not fair on Star Wars fans or Trekkies because at least the latter have an imagination
 
@kalina are you aware that your statement is as much of a religious nature, as the inverse?
 
@AviD wrong, religion is defined as "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."
 
8:18 AM
Pure atheism is one of the most senseless religions.
the only purely scientific valid belief is agnosticism.
 
@AviD how are you defining "pure atheism"?
 
I do not believe in a superhuman controlling power and the only thing I worship is the day of the year I allow myself to consume bacon
 
@kalina that is an interesting, if unique, defintion.
 
@AviD agreed, I generally go with that
 
@AviD that was me googling the word "religion"
with their new logo
and new favicon
which are both very pretty
 
8:19 AM
7 mins ago, by kalina
religion is for idiots, there's no such holiday as christmas
@kalina wrong. You believe in yourself to such an insane, unscientific degree that you believe you have unprovable knowledge.
 
@AviD that's an interesting and unique definition of "pure atheism"
 
@RоryMcCune heh, I was being pejorative ;-)
 
@AviD the oxford dictionary of english backs up that definition, which means - by defintion, atheism is not a religion
 
@AviD and I was being sarcy :op
 
@RоryMcCune a better explantion would be "there is no possiblity of any form of god."
 
8:21 AM
@AviD define "god" :)
 
therefore I'm just going to write off everything that @AviD is saying as an attempt to troll
 
It is just as valid as saying "there are no planets smaller than earth near Alpha Centauri, and I know this because I be smarts."
@RоryMcCune exactly.
@kalina actually, no, this time you are the troll.
 
@AviD I'm not trolling
plus I've disproved your statements with approved definitions from reliable sources
 
A non-troll stance would be to let anyone else believe whatever they choose to believe. As long as its not Scientology.
 
Anybody can believe what they want to believe
 
8:23 AM
@kalina yeeeaaah.... no I don't think so.
 
just that if they believe in a God, they're silly as far as I'm concerned
might as well pray to this glass of water on my desk
it will have the same effect
@AviD you're the one that started banging on about how the lack of belief in a god is a religion, even though the accepted definition of religion is "belief in a god"
 
@kalina and if you believe you have proof that there is no God - which, by definition you cannot see or prove - then you are silly as well. The only difference, is how silly, and how far out of their way they are going to back up their insane beliefs.
@kalina no, I very specifically did NOT say that.
There is a difference between "lack of belief in a god" and "belief in lack of a god".
 
7 mins ago, by AviD
Pure atheism is one of the most senseless religions.
 
one is disproven, the other is lack of proof.
 
@AviD she's got you there
 
8:25 AM
@kalina exactly.
@kalina no, atheism is not "lack of belief in a god".
it is "belief in lack of a god".
 
@AviD "belief in a lack of god" is still not the accepted definition of religion.
 
which is just as scientifically insane.
 
ah, fuckit, join Simon for the day
 
@kalina no, but it does comply with the accepted defintion.
 
day #2 of the best of the rories and kalina daytime chat show
 
8:27 AM
"especially", not only.
 
@AviD I don't think I'd agree with that. People have to have beliefs which they cannot prove as a foundation for their value system, scientists included. A scientist will believe things he cannot prove
 
@kalina oh yay, muted. wheee.
@RоryMcCune and THAT is exactly my point.
 
@AviD no ... it isnt... at least not as you're expressing it in text
you're suggesting that people who believe in a lack of god (atheists) are scientifically insane, I disagree
 
nah, you're missing the fine point between atheism and agnosticism.
 
@AviD don't think so, you're being inconsistent in your definitions as it would appear you're not a fan of people who are professed atheists
 
8:29 AM
KNOWING there is no such thing as god, or KNOWING there is no proof, and therefore choosing to believe the default (that there is PROBABLY no god).
 
@AviD s/Knowing/believing/
 
@RоryMcCune heh. Not a fan of people who claim lack of proof is proof of lack.
@RоryMcCune definitely not.
 
no-one knows anything
it's not possible
all reality is subjective and imperfect
by definition
 
@RоryMcCune "The only true knowldge is to know that I know nothing"?
 
people can only form beliefs based on their personal perception and experience
 
8:30 AM
@RоryMcCune yes.
 
anyone who thinks that constitutes and objective "Knowledge" is incorrect
 
well, as long as cognitive perception is included there.
 
so an Atheist to me is someone who has chosen to "believe" that there is no god and have that as part of their value system
 
@RоryMcCune oh, so you're a nihilist ;-)
 
that's not necessarily insane
@AviD nah I'm a "have fun while the party lasts, cause there isn't anything afterwards" person :)
 
8:32 AM
I would argue it's more insane to make up such things just to have something to believe in
 
@kalina I would largely agree
But I wouldn't call either thing insane
it's a choice people have to make
 
@RоryMcCune but commonly (see our neighbourhood troll above), atheism is expressed as "SCIENTIFIC FACT that there is not and cannot be a god"
 
and they should choose what works for them
 
no, I pity those who believe there is something... divine... going on behind all of this
because they'll live their life expecting there to be something more and then... die
 
as opposed to "there is no scientific basis to prove there is a god, so I believe there is not."
 
8:33 AM
@AviD so depends on your definition then I guess, like most things :)
@kalina I think that there's a lot of problems caused by people having a touching faith that everything will be made right by an external entity
but I understand why people choose to believe in one
 
well, sure, but it is those forms of expressions that make me call them out
 
@RоryMcCune yes, and those people then are so self righteous that I'm the neighborhood troll even though it's the two of us pointing out he's wrong
 
@RоryMcCune totally agree with this too
 
@RоryMcCune because they're weak
 
@kalina hey hey I thought I was muted!
@kalina uhh that was YOU
 
8:34 AM
@AviD permanently after that last one
 
hah
 
2 down, about 7 more to go
 
@RоryMcCune also, a lot of times people will identify as atheists, when they actually mean agnostics.
this is, clearly, not the case with our dear @kalina.
 
@AviD naming is hard, language is imprecise :)
 
@RоryMcCune is it, though?
words have meanings :-)
 
8:40 AM
@AviD and people disagree about what words mean all the time. What's a "Conservative"
that one can keep people occupied for aagges
What's a "socialist"
 
@RоryMcCune well, sure, thats not an objective word.
usually its pejorative...
 
There's no point in continuing the conversation, @RоryMcCune - he doesn't get what you're trying to say
 
ask that question in different countries and you'll get different answers
 
@RоryMcCune socialist DOES have a specific meaning, though, but its often used as a relative term.
@kalina oh I get it.
 
@AviD I'd argue that most words are not objective, especially when they try to describe complex concepts or groups of people
 
8:41 AM
@RоryMcCune fair enough.
 
he's missing basics like "the same language taught to two people in different countries results in differences in meaning for the same words"
 
which is why I dont jump on people that say they are atheist when they mean agnostic ;-)
 
@AviD Americans call their president a socialist for introducing health care reforms... this would not be a socialist act in europe
 
or...
meh, w/e
 
@RоryMcCune hehe, yes that is used as an insult. So is Muslim, because they dont like him.
which is considerably less cool.
 
8:51 AM
meh. Politics is dumb.
 
politics is dumb
also; morning
 
It'll all be sorted out once Kanye becomes president
 
or Trump!
 
Well, then we'd have to have a discussion about the definition of "sorted out"
 
I am looking forward to the Kanye vs. Trump debate.
@Samthere well, all the losers would be fired.
 
8:57 AM
Also, religion is quite a personal thing, I may not believe in the same deity or deities someone else might or might not, but unless they get in my face, I don't particularly care ;p
 
I think for any presidential debate, Kanye will have to be put in a soundproof box while the others talk so that he can let them finish
 
Oh, the puns.
 
@JourneymanGeek only issue I take with that is the assumption that religion is always about a deity (or deities) ;-)
 
@AviD: or lack thereof?
 
@JourneymanGeek sure, but its not always about deitism.
 
9:01 AM
(I'm mostly hindu, very vaguely observant ;p)
 
proper dictionary term would be something like:
- the belief, or organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules, often used to worship a god or a group of gods
- an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group
so Windows vs. Linux is a common religious argument (which is absolutely stupid and pointless)
or vim vs. emacs (doubly stupid and pointless)
and etc
 
The main thing I was the getting in someone's face ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek yeah, pretty much
 
I'd venture that the second definition is descriptivist, added based on usage such as with the arguments you mentioned, e.g.
1: "You sure have a lot of Ghostbusters merch"
2: "Yeah, it's my religion"
 
9:06 AM
(OS religious wars are plain silly)
 
@Samthere no, thats rediculous.
Jediism is a religion, what religion is there in Ghostbusters??
 
it's a usage, they don't literally believe that it's a full religion in the other sense
 
@AviD I hadn't heard of it or noticed it until Outdoors.SE chat yesterday
 
@RoryAlsop there's an outdoors.se?
 
that's ironic
@RoryAlsop also; morning
 
9:08 AM
I was just commenting that I think it was probably used more as hyperbole but become a less impacting word over time; e.g. he follows the story religiously
I didn't mean that I think anything followed to that degree implies it's a religion
 
@Samthere it won't stop others from assuming that's what religion now means, though
regardless of the dictionary definition
 
@kalina I have decided the "best of the rories" is actually a set of two rories :-)
 
@RoryAlsop well yes it could indeed be
might not even be two, could be three or more
 
hey @LucasKauffman you got a different name on outdoors.SE? outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/8964/…
 
Yeah, of course, it's a word that changes as people interpret and use it
 
9:10 AM
@kalina funnier is that there is Personal Productivity Stack Exchange
 
9:27 AM
 
@RоryMcCune is that....?
yes, yes it is.
IrnBru cooled CPU.
does it give an extra kick?
 
@AviD absolutely, @RoryAlsop should do that for his new PC
 
@RoryAlsop heh
 
Mornin'
 
oh
my new favorite thing
 
9:34 AM
Anyone know any self-serve ASV services (apart from HackerGuardian)?
 
getting driven hard by the one knob
 
@RоryMcCune that is a thing of beauty
Oh, just noticed the nixie tubes! Wonderful!
 
too much show
 
@kalina a new love of your life? Mackie not doing it for you any more?
 
@RoryAlsop oh no my big knob broke... too much use I guess?
 
9:46 AM
Tut tut
Don't be so rough
 
I replaced that with a presonus central station plus ages ago
I'm not rough, I'm super gentle, it didn't stop noise developing over time though
I don't twist knobs, I brush up against them and hope they move
 
Yeah - and while knob spray helps lubricate for a while, it doesn't fix the problem
 
the presonus replacement has been absolutely flawless the entire time though
highly recommend it
not that I get all gearslutty over stuff but it's so pretty and functional and completely transparent
 
I think presonus is what my lead singer uses now in his studio. (His big knob broke too)
I don't actually have a use case for one. I don't do mastering or full track stuff - I just do guitar parts
 
@RoryAlsop it's nice having an easy to reach volume control
well, you know that since you have one
 
9:50 AM
:-)
 
but it's basically a requirement to have something within arms reach to change volume when mixing down and mastering
my bank account had survived any major assaults this month until I found out that Waves are having a sale
 
Yep - if I was more competent and could do some more of the the full composition stuff I'm sure I'd need one
Googles waves
 
never turn down the opportunity to get some quality compressors/limiters/bass modelers
 
Do you do all that in software?
 
I mix entirely in software
"one day" I may have a dedicated mixing desk but for the time being it's only the sounds I source externally
in all fairness PCs are fast enough to run 100 different effects simultaneously anyway
 
9:53 AM
@RoryAlsop lame chat-like product, never really took off
 
I think we are gong that way. I know Erik sold 8 compressors last year, but he does still have two racks of stuff with lights on
 
especially with an UAD card
an
a
hmm
an universal... a universal...
I hate language
 
A
Because the u sounds like you
 
UAD card + analog modeling = rack replacement
minus the flashing lights
which are almost worth it in themselves
I still love my minitaur
what a monster
you push buttons and air moves around the room
but I'm moving away from it slightly because I've used it for the bassline on my last 10-15 tracks
which has resulted in them sounding... similar but different
 
Hey - it has worked for bands from AC/DC to ZZ Top. Don't knock it
 
9:58 AM
I'm not knocking it, i could keep churning out sounds with similar sounding underpinnings but that's not really what I want to do
there's definitely nothing wrong with the sound that the minitaur creates
oh ouch
that point where you spend €1000 and immediately realize they don't support windows 10
 
Yeeeek
Cancel order
 
"The Final build of Windows 10 was only released a short while ago.
Waves is hard at work on a Windows 10 compatible version update for our software.
We ask for your patience and understanding while our QA team works to test and qualify a stable release."
@RoryAlsop nah, their sales method is too good for me to refund over temporary lack of support
escalating discounts are something I like more than software that doesn't work this week
mmm isn't it about time for another cubase release
that's going to be another drain
maybe they could make it crash less
going back to that conversation about liability in the software industry
a piece of software written specifically for the creation of music, thus its entire user base should be professionals using the software to make money
and yet it's one of the most unstable pieces of software I've ever had the displeasure of using
 
10:39 AM
@RоryMcCune ooo niceee
those vacuum tube leds also look really cool
 
11:10 AM
Good morning. Stupid question. Should this be removed, if only because it states the methodology behind a potential vulnerability in a sorta-not-ethical approach...? (It hasn't been confirmed as a vuln yet, but...)
 
raz
@kalina Google Waves making a come back for Windows 10?
@ThomasW. There are unencrypted fatal alerts?
 
@raz Ask the OP
 
raz
@ThomasW. I was under the impression that all alerts were encrypted
 
@ThomasW. oh geez. quick, get @ThomasPornin to look at it!
 
raz
@ThomasPornin We summon you!
 
11:15 AM
i question their ethical approach on this (they publicly posted the issue to OpenSSL's public github too, which would violate some ethical approaches, or possibly even responsible disclosure.)
 
raz
@ThomasW. Ethics for disclosing vulnerabilities is a grey area
 
I think that is the proper industry methodology, right? Have a vague concern about TLS, discuss it with @ThomasPornin in the DMZ, and within 90 minutes have him publish details of a severe vulnerability in the protocol.
 
@AviD That would be one approach, yes.
 
It's been done numerous times.
BEAST, CRIME, was it POODLE too?
 
@raz They disclose code for it on github. That suggests to me that they're not 100% ethical on this, because if it's a massive issue it should be 'inform OpenSSL first, disclose', no? so they can issue an alert about it
(several OpenSSL issues've been embargoed before the info is released, as well)
 
raz
11:18 AM
@ThomasW. There are no real ground rules for this stuff
I agree with you, but sometimes maybe the dude just didn't know any better
 
shrugs
I come from a legal-background household, my sense of ethics is etched in stone
ooop crap my laptop's about to die
 
@ThomasW. yeah, my father was a lawyer, I am very familiar with the difference between "legal" and "ethical" (in both directions)
 
@ThomasW. that's "status by design" really
 
@TildalWave not awake fully yet, please clarify what's by design :)
(no coffee for another 30 minutes :/)
 
LOL
fair enough
 
raz
11:26 AM
Also it seems that fatal alerts during the handshake aren't encrypted since you know.... no encryption has been established.
 
so...killer robots are a thing now: bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34129490
 
it's not a TLS vulnerability, the problem is more in the wording of "any connection terminated with a fatal alert MUST NOT be resumed". It should say "session" not "connection" (tho you'll often find interchanging used of these)
 
@RoryAlsop yay autonomous killing machines... in no way can this development cause problems down the line!
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords
 
raz
@RoryAlsop Why would they start down this road!?
 
@RоryMcCune oh is @jrg around again?
 
11:32 AM
@RоryMcCune evil hacker::change targeting from starfish to...human::take over the world
@raz usual answer - because they can?
 
it's okay though, it's just underwater. It's like the evil robot version of Aquaman.
Or Sponge Bob.
 
@RoryAlsop don't worry before any of these autonomous killing machines are deployed they'll get a full risk analysis and security will be their top priority, they'll use military grade encryption and won't have any known security problems
 
not very threatening.
 
raz
@AviD It's ok because it's designed to protect humans
 
@AviD ...yet
 
11:36 AM
@RoryAlsop "Sponge Bob"
 
Autonomous killing machines..at very minimum there should be a human interfaceable prompt "Do you want to allow the following drone to make changes to this persons secret hideout?" >Yes >Cancel >remember my decision
 
@RoryAlsop News, summer 2016: Mysterious deaths of swimmers wearing starfish shaped flipflops reported
 
On the plus side, string bikini sales plummet...
 
would serve them right, who dafuque wears starfish shaped flipflops anyway? I mean even for my imagination that's pretty crazy sheesh!! :D
@RoryAlsop hehehe
 
Glad you got it - was hoping that worked across different countries
 
11:46 AM
I dont see how that is a plus side..in fact less string bikinis bothers me more than the moral and philosophical implications of allowing computers to kill people.
 
dude, nobody really walks on coral reefs for long and survive anyway ;)
 
@AviD That's not a real vulnerability
 
you have any idea how sharp those things are if a wave throws you over them? you won't make it, lethal injection by a starfish chasing robot would seem humane even LOL
 
Damn typing on a smartphone is really inefficient
 
it still beats dial tone typing :)
 
11:51 AM
@TheJulyPlot - it was a smutty joke. Nothing more :-)
@TildalWave or dial tone whistling...
 
@raz no
 
@RoryAlsop heh I forgot about that, yeah that was a thing once, some payphones or just dial locked phones had this vulnerability that you could whistle or play the number with a walkman... or manual pulse dialing, that worked too
 
@ThomasPornin well, either that or the PC keyboard is extremely efficient
@ThomasPornin are you using swype or similar input method?
 
raz
@ThomasPornin Sponge Bob isn't a vulnerability?
 
@raz It was between Crump and LastBleed, wasn't it?
 
11:56 AM
I'm not even sure if these "vulnerability names" you're using is being serious or just completely mocking the situation anymore
 
@kalina me? mocking? ;-P
 
it's hard to tell
 
@RoryAlsop you know we're all doomed if there's about one TLS "bleed" vulnerability per month :D
 
in this particular instance
morning @TildalWave
 
raz
@RoryAlsop Maybe?
 
11:59 AM
hey @kalina what prompted the change back to your old nickname?
 
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