The DMZ

kalina

12:07 PM

@LucasKauffman non audiophiles pick up a pair of ATs and be like "dat is amazeballs, I has never heard sounds like dis"

dear Google, if you know the email contains a virus, why is it in my inbox?

Rоry McCune

@kalina perhaps you're an A-V researcher, who gets e-mailed virii

kalina

but that should be the exception, not the rule

what if I was a casual end user who received an office document via email

Simon

@AviD For the Grindr thing?

AviD

12:22 PM

no

kalina

ono simon is here

Simon

And I really assume that this kind of bullshit is the reason why those people at SF migrated to Slack instead.

@AviD What was it then?

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina well for 129 euro it's good quality :p

Rоry McCune

@kalina yah I know I was just kinda' joking, of course if they know it's malware, they should bounce it

M'vy

slack... 10k messages. No threaded replies.

Lucas Kauffman

12:24 PM

@kalina what headphones do you recommend?

Simon

@M'vy Yeah but no assholes flagging stuff because they get offended on the interwebz.

AviD

@M'vy yeah the lack of threading was the big thing that really bugged me.

M'vy

#toomanychannels

Simon

I wonder why mods don't get to see who flagged though.

M'vy

I also like my ctlr + up + r to reply to someone instead of typing the freaking name. But that might be the userscript isn't it ?

AviD

12:26 PM

personally, other than the threading, I think SE should move chat.se over to a dedicated Slack instance, and just spend a few cycles on customizations (better linking to SE sites, permissions, profiles, also simpler starring...) and free up the extra chat devs to send @Simon his tshirt.

Simon

That just refreshes my browser.

@AviD LULZ

AviD

@M'vy apparently. Slack does have a lot of extensiblity points though.

plus they have slackbot.

Simon

It was me who sent the email — Ulkoma 13 hours ago

M'vy

@AviD I don't know, I only use free version

Simon

OH MY GOD I'M GONNA TOUCH YOUR PONY NOW THAT I KNOW THIS

AviD

12:27 PM

also, I feel that chat is Slack's main job, for SE its a diversion.

@M'vy still there

M'vy

@AviD this PoBS you can configure to reply to some words ?

Simon

It's true that no threading would suck though.

AviD

@M'vy that too, but it is smarter than just that

@Simon yeah. Slack really needs to get on that.

M'vy

@AviD yeah but... people.

AviD

when they do - I will personally venture out into Meta.SE to propose it.

Rоry McCune

12:29 PM

@EamonLeonard Threaded messages are on our to-do list! 📋

Tweeted by SlackHQ on March 19, 2015 at 3:15 PM in reply to EamonLeonard

^they've been promising it for a while

at least I guess they know it's an issue

Simon

At least it's not something like 2012.

M'vy

well, the problem with todolist is the position on it

they do have threads on images though

kalina

@LucasKauffman no point getting into that conversation, you bought the ones that I would recommend to the average person

Simon

How about we work on something custom?

M'vy

and it's not that complicated to add a "in reply to" id for messages is it?

kalina

12:31 PM

@LucasKauffman yeah the quality to price ratio is surprising

AviD

@kalina oh snap @LucasKauffman she just called you an average person

Simon

It could be super non-fancy at first.

AviD

@M'vy its not that simple.

there are like a ton of edge cases, UX to consider....

M'vy

@AviD data-wise, it is.

Simon

But seriously, all this just because flags are screwing us over?

AviD

12:32 PM

plus they have several different clients.

Simon

Can we just get SE to do something on their side instead?

AviD

@M'vy spoken like a true coder ;-)

kalina

@Simon what is your problem?

Simon

And by "us", I mean like kalinuh and I.

M'vy

@AviD MVC rulez

AviD

12:32 PM

@Simon no, just cuz

Simon

@kalina Flags.

kalina

@Simon I don't remember being flagged, who flagged me

AviD

@M'vy changing the data doesnt fix everything...

kalina

surely if I had been flagged I'd currently be banned

Simon

@kalina I'm sure that you did get flagged here in the past.

AviD

12:33 PM

@Simon Slack has flags.

Simon

@AviD Which would go to the mods, right?

M'vy

@AviD for sure. But it's the starting point.

AviD

huh no it doesnt.

kalina

@Simon the fact I rarely get flagged in here is most of the reason I still bother turning up

Simon

@kalina o

kalina

12:34 PM

still have to tolerate AviD's timeout tantrums and I'm pretty bored of those but c'est la vie

Simon

lulz

AviD

@kalina really? I thought it spiced up the flow of conversation every once in a while.

kalina

I'm sure within the next year I'll have run out of tolerance for that and then... well, you've seen how much I use the rest of the network

Simon

If we were really motivated, I assume that it would take us less than a month to come up something ourselves.

kalina

I don't understand what it is you want to come up with

Simon

12:35 PM

We'd just have to agree on the technology and I'm sure that this itself would take more than a month actually.

M'vy

chat website ?

Simon

Yeah.

Rоry McCune

@Simon chat platform, there's severall OSS slack-like systems

mattermost

AviD

doofus.

Rоry McCune

lets-chat

kalina

12:35 PM

really?

AviD

the whole point is to NOT recreate a chat website.

xapien (sp?)

let's just IRC

lulz IRC

that was the ONLY reason to have SE move to Slack.

kalina

12:36 PM

far more secure than browser based

Simon

That's probably the easiest way though.

Rоry McCune

@kalina I miss one-boxing when I use IRC

Simon

I really like web-based though.

Yeah and again, no threading.

kalina

@RоryMcCune one boxing is a security risk

Rоry McCune

@kalina sure, but it's shiney too

Simon

12:37 PM

Unless you do it like Slack does: with a proxy.

kalina

is flagging enough of a problem for everybody to move

Rоry McCune

@kalina I think just @Simon

Simon

lulz

M'vy

Why flagging would be a problem ?

Rоry McCune

IIRC I've never been flagged in here (that's not an invitation by the way)

@M'vy 'cause @Simon doesn't like being flagged

AviD

12:38 PM

@M'vy yeah, flagging was the solution to a different problem.

Simon

Flagging while riding a pony.

AviD

so yeah Slack would need some flagging system before we can move.

Simon

wat

WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THE FLAGS!

AviD

@Simon NO WE'RE NOT

41 secs ago, by AviD

@M'vy yeah, flagging was the solution to a different problem.

Rоry McCune

@Simon s/WE\'RE/You\'re/

Simon

12:39 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AviD

MMMM

Rоry McCune

goes the dynamite

M'vy

can I customise my flag?

Simon

So you're telling me that a bunch of donuts could just come in here, flag the fuck out of everyone and get away with it?

AviD

DYE

NO

MITE

M'vy

12:40 PM

Well flag should be weighted

the better you flag, the better your weight

AviD

@M'vy wow, @Simon's mom must have flagged a ton.

M'vy

and it needs a critical mass to raise the flag for moderators

@AviD svp

AviD

@M'vy hey, @Simon's mom could help with that too!

@M'vy stop talking about @Simon's mom!

Simon

wadafux

M'vy

@AviD this joke is as old as @RoryAlsop. Well, not really but you get the point.

Rоry McCune

12:42 PM

@Simon @AviD is making inappropriate comments about your mother, I'd flag them if I was you

AviD

@M'vy you were the one that called her a "critical mass"

Simon

I think I caught a cold which I'll find out when I wake up tomorrow but if it is the case, get ready to hear me complain about dying in the chat.

M'vy

I'm sure I did not. But, again, who am I to know what's going on in a tigger's mind.

Simon

@RоryMcCune I'll leave that to the anuses who flag me instead.

Rоry McCune

@M'vy it would appear that the tigger is largely focused on the weight of simon's mother

for some unknowable reason

M'vy

12:44 PM

@RоryMcCune or unspeakable

kalina

the flag system in chat is shocking, just like most of SE's contributions to "making the internet a better place"

the solution is to just not use chat

M'vy

@kalina the problem with "give the moderation to the community" is you get stuck with the sheep effect sometimes.

Simon

And trolls, you get stuck with trolls.

M'vy

oohh blah blah blah it's so fun flag blah blah

Simon

Is it time to raid The Bridge?

M'vy

12:48 PM

is this thing still standing ?

Simon

Yeah but they'll be soon of running out of free space under the bridge for all their trolls.

M'vy

well, I should be nicer, some of them were worried after Paris events. So it's not all that bad

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD I'm average for headphones :p

@kalina oh it's just to know what type of headphones audiophiles use, not to start a discussion or something, I'm just interested in what makes them different and how the compare to cheaper ones

Simon

I own the M50s too, I wonder what the next step would be.

Probably a pair of headphones at least worth twice as much.

M'vy

I have a AKG K-271 MKII for quite some times now.

Closed. Circum-aural. Replaceable wire.

I replace it once bc I broke it being careless.

Simon

12:56 PM

Hum according to reviews, MKII's low-end is less pronounced.

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon I have Shure SE215 as in ears which are quite nice, they also have others which go up to 1k for a pair

and I accidently flagged you M'vy

sorry :p

fatfingerd my mouse

Simon

wat

M'vy

@LucasKauffman haven't seen any consequences of that so far

Simon

Well, your post will be removed if it happens so we'll notice and tell one of those lazy mods (ovid) to unban you.

M'vy

@Simon I use it mostly in noisy environment so

Also it seems to not leak sounds to my coworkers

ofc it's probably not a good studion HP

Rory Alsop

1:01 PM

@kalina If you didn't - we'd never have met you (in the limited anonymous sense anyway)

Simon

Yeah, pls, I'm still unsure if she's a man with a ween or what.

Rory Alsop

Except that one guy. He's not doing a good job. You know who you are. GET WITH THE PROGRAM, MAN — Jeff Atwood ♦ 3 hours ago

hahahaha

I like Jeff's comments

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop I didn't realise jeff knew avi!

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune lol

Simon

lolol

Rоry McCune

1:03 PM

@Simon It's the Internet, the physical entity tied to the comments is undetermined

M'vy

@RоryMcCune woof

Simon

Until you make an IBC video.

Rоry McCune

@Simon or turn up at conferences

AviD

@JeffAtwood Is this because I was picking on you about ECC this week...? — AviD ♦ 47 secs ago

Simon

ECC?

AviD

1:05 PM

memory / cryptography

M'vy

Eliptic Curve Cryptography

Simon

o

AviD

@M'vy yeah, except @Jeff meant ECC memory

M'vy

oh

Rory Alsop

@Simon or have a friend fake one for you

Simon

1:06 PM

@RoryAlsop That would be a lot of trouble.

For literally 0 gain.

AviD

blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc

Simon

no ovid

kalina

@Simon at least

M'vy

a link on sec.se chat? who do you think we are

Simon

@kalina So, they are indeed good headphones for their price.

kalina

1:07 PM

@RoryAlsop ironic that I arrived here because of flags as well, with the current conversation

M'vy

ok I accept that edit :)

kalina

@Simon I think we've said this already

Rory Alsop

@kalina hey, all sorts of weirdness brings folks together.

I'm happy meeting new people

kalina

I'm not fond of new people

AviD

@RoryAlsop hence the many gay bars you frequent.

kalina

1:08 PM

involves too much effort

most of them aren't worth it

AviD

@kalina you prefer old people?

kalina

sigh

I am, for example, extremely suspicious of the group of idle moderators that idle in this room

Rоry McCune

I'm not a fan of the social events IRL , online stuff is fine, 'cause you can just change the tab :)

Rory Alsop

@AviD only the one, really - and that's just because of where it is

kalina

my biggest problem tbh is also completely wrong to discuss at length here

Rory Alsop

1:10 PM

@kalina s/most/some

@kalina I work occasionally

kalina

and that's... people in clubs putting their hands on you

Rory Alsop

@kalina smack them

that stops them - I've found

kalina

I can't do that

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop or hire a large person to smack them

Rory Alsop

go with a friend who can smack them

ninjaed again

kalina

1:11 PM

it's completely wrong to smack somebody who has paid to come see you

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina why not?

Rory Alsop

@kalina it's completely wrong for them to grab you unless you have given permission

Rоry McCune

@kalina it's also completely wrong for them to touch you without an invitation

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina yes but unless you're a prostitute it's completely wrong to touch you :p

Rоry McCune

ninja'd!

Rory Alsop

1:12 PM

they cross that line, you have a big friend to cross your line :-)

kalina

hence, biggest problem

such a dilemma

thankful for back exits

Rory Alsop

I have to admit, I don't really know DJ clubs well, but isn't the DJ stage bit away from the careening masses

kalina

varies

Rory Alsop

like up and separate?

I always thought they segregated punters from talent

kalina

sometimes you're in a separate booth

Rory Alsop

1:13 PM

more so than with rock venues

kalina

sometimes you're on an elevated stage

M'vy

I'd go with full body armour. Electrified.

kalina

sometimes you're right there next to them with nothing but a table with some electronics on it

Rory Alsop

@kalina and these folks have drinks too?

I'd want a guard rail or some burly bouncer dudes

electronics are 'spensive

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina but does the touching occur often? or is it occasionaly?

Simon

1:16 PM

wot

M'vy

@LucasKauffman I think this hardly matters.

Lucas Kauffman

@M'vy well yea but if out of 30 gigs it happens once, it shouldn't be something that affect your enjoyment

Simon

That highly depends on your personality.

M'vy

@LucasKauffman yeah. Maybe. But I'd be careful on this kind of matter. Minimisation seems to be a recurring pattern that tends to be used a cheap excuses.

Lucas Kauffman

@M'vy true

@kalina you still have me hanging for those on-ear headsets :p

Simon

1:21 PM

Why not over the ear?

Rory Alsop

@M'vy exactly. If it is something that is not acceptable, once out of thirty is still not acceptable

kalina

@RoryAlsop drinks and the rest

@LucasKauffman oh you know, people like Simon with his "can I get a picture with you" hand on ass grope

Simon

PLS

I NEVER ASK FOR A PICTURE WHILE THEY'RE MIXING

kalina

@LucasKauffman what do you want to know

@Simon oh I'm talking entering/exiting the venue

if I got interrupted while actually working I'd get security involved

Simon

Nope.

Lucas Kauffman

1:26 PM

@kalina like what headsets do you recommend if I ever deice to go monkeyballs crazy when procuring a headset? :p

Simon

Every single time, they were just hanging out.

DJ Stephanie was hanging out right next to the crowd and no one was paying attention to her so I was like "SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP".

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon AND YOU CLINGED On THeIR BOTTOM?

Simon

:D

kalina

@LucasKauffman I don't, it stops being "objectively better" and becomes more about requirements after a point

Lucas Kauffman

"Hey Stephanie, pls lemme put a donut on your bum"

kalina

1:27 PM

@Simon yeah she was probably thinking about what she was making for tea

or her journey home

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina aha, so it's complicated :p

kalina

or "phew, that's over"

or I'm so tired

Simon

I'm still wondering how my ex didn't freak out when I took a pic with her.

Fucking crazy bitch.

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon never put your dick in crazy!

Simon

@LucasKauffman Yeah no kidding.

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kalina

1:30 PM

suddenly a wild random turns up and is all like SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

smiling on the outside, sighing on the inside

Simon

It was full of lulz 'cause I went like: "Mind taking a quick picture?"

And she replied "Yes!" with a huge smile.

Oh you Italian little woman.

Or Freud would say that's because she didn't want to take the pic at all.

M'vy

@LucasKauffman requirements matters

kalina

@Simon if she was standing away from the crowd, that means she's also likely introverted and didn't want to be surrounded by people

Simon

She was 6 feet away from the crowd.

kalina

that's a big distance in a nightclub packed full of people

Simon

1:38 PM

It was an "underground" party so there were ~100 people.

It was outside.

kalina

you still grabbed her ass

Lucas Kauffman

did he?

Simon

I DID NOT GRAB HER ASS

kalina

totes did

Simon

I should have had though.

Rоry McCune

1:39 PM

@kalina wait a moment... there's only one way you could know that..... you are DJ Stephanie!!!!

busted!

Simon

Did I fix it properly?

kalina

@RоryMcCune no

Rоry McCune

@kalina how d'ya know what simon did then?

kalina

I don't, it was an educated guess

Rоry McCune

@kalina uh huh

kalina

1:40 PM

'cause #simon

he got his current girlfriend by dragging her away from where she was going as well

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune And she woulda gotten away with it if it hadn't been ...

Simon

:D

kalina

seems like a bit of an asshole tbh

Simon

She was standing right next to me.

Rоry McCune

@kalina so what does "experience the next level of hard dance massives" mean?

kalina

1:41 PM

@RоryMcCune excuse moi?

Simon

excuse la

Rоry McCune

@kalina it's the tag line from your next release

"sanctuary"

out Dec 4

kalina

presumably that you are about to experience the next level of hard dance

M'vy

@RоryMcCune ah ah I was looking for this kind of trap. Predictable.

Simon

Maybe her next release will be "He grabbed my ass"

Rоry McCune

1:42 PM

@kalina presumably... nice way to throw people off the scent,

kalina

pls hard dance is for people who don't mind working a day job alongside the music

Simon

That's probably true, unfortunately.

Rоry McCune

Simon

lololol

Rоry McCune

^Kind sci-fi inspired art, I guess that comes from the gaming background

kalina

1:46 PM

I wonder if you can hear my sigh from here

Rоry McCune

@kalina pretty much :D

Mark Hulkalo

1:57 PM

What if we're all interfaces for a computer program? And we're just controlling these bodies of flesh as some kind of experiment?

kalina

isn't that the story line to the Matrix?

Simon

You're crazy Markus.

Mark Hulkalo

Yes. And yes, Simon.

M'vy

@kalina also Plato's allegory (in a way)

Simon

pls yves, let's call him Platon.

Mark Hulkalo

1:59 PM

Sarah Platon

M'vy

@Simon yeah well, you know English...

Simon

@M'vy Yeah, such a dumb language.

M'vy

But yeah Platon is fine for me

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