The DMZ

Rory Alsop

3:00 PM

relevant NSFW link: oglaf.com

today's one is rather amusing

Simon

This discussion makes me feel like I'm in a retirement house right now.

Iszi

Well, the article on chakram didn't have any pictures of the Warrior Princess. So it was easy to stay focused.

Rory Alsop

@Simon read the oglaf link - and click through the next pages

Simon

@RoryAlsop Bleh, the NSFW makes me believe that I should stay away from it.

Iszi

Yeah, we need to develop some sort of add-on codes for NSFW to clarify exactly how NSFW it is. I mean, are we talking full nude pics, or just some strong language in the music?

Simon

3:02 PM

^

My definition of NSFW implies full nudity, or very suggestive clothes.

Rory Alsop

@Simon it's a cartoon. This one doesn't have nudity - but it does have ogres in bikinis

Simon

lawl

Ohnana

@RoryAlsop is it the armor onw

IT IS

oglaf is the only webcomic i get excited for

Simon

And there's an ad at the bottom with anime tits.

I'LL STAY AWAY, LADS.

Ohnana

the masochist cupcake one was so hilarious

Simon

3:04 PM

@Ohnana nurd

Ohnana

@Simon *sex nurd

Rory Alsop

@Simon you don't need to click on that

@Ohnana snurd

Simon

@RoryAlsop bleh

Iszi

@Simon Ad with tits? Didn't notice tits, much less an ad. AdBlock/NoScript FTW?

Simon

@Iszi I don't mind ads, usually.

Iszi

3:07 PM

If all ads had tits, I doubt most of the world would mind either.

raz

@Iszi New extension: AdBlockAcceptTits

Simon

There has to be a tits detection software, right?

kalina

I think I'm going to run Windows 10 TP as my main OS

Ohnana

@kalina ballsy

kalina

what's the worst that could happen?

Simon

3:13 PM

#window

raz

@kalina You could kill somebody... but that's the absolute worst case.

Ohnana

you could be using windows

kalina

well, from my use so far it's basically as stable as any other version of Windows

Simon

Which means it randomly freezes and you have to do a hard reset.

kalina

which, since you're all a bunch of nerds is going to say "not that stable, then"

the only time my PC has crashed is when I tripped over the audio cables and physically broke the soundcard while it was powered

and I'll accept that as user error

raz

3:15 PM

@kalina I once installed a sound card with the computer running. Wasn't my smartest idea ever.

kalina

@raz I've always wondered how resilient a PC would be to this but have never tried it myself

Simon

Screw you, electrostatic.

Rory Alsop

Raz - did it work?

I have hot swapped all sorts of cards, drives, even power supplies in servers :-)

raz

@RoryAlsop Fried the sound card

Had to buy a new one.

As soon as I plugged it into the PCIx slot I thought, "I'm dumb"

AviD

@raz no, destruction of the entire universe and all of space and time, that would be the absolute worst.

or having to listen to Justin Bieber. Those two are about equal.

kalina

3:18 PM

or being Simon

all three, tied

Simon

She's always begging for my attention.

raz

@AviD That seems like -0 chances. Killing someone is much more likely. Especially if you happen to throw your computer because Win10 did something stupid.

Simon

Yup, it's that day, I can't spell.

AviD

@raz you didnt say anything about likelihood. You stated "the absolute worst case"

with like, italics and everything.

kalina

even if my system becomes a borderline unusable pile of crap after running Windows 10 TP as my main environment

at least Microsoft will get to collect data about how all of my somewhat exotic hardware hates their OS

so maybe they could fix it before service pack 1

(for a change)

Rory Alsop

3:21 PM

@kalina you tied @Simon to Justin Bieber? Now that is harsh!

Simon

HEY

AviD

besides, if @RoryAlsop installs a beta OS on his TARDIS console, causing the whole thing to explode, it wouldnt be so unlikely.

Rory Alsop

cruel and unusual punishment

Iszi

@kalina Microsoft pwns all your data because TP monitors everything & forwards it to them.

Ohnana

@RoryAlsop those are fighting words

Rory Alsop

3:21 PM

@Ohnana Justin isn't here to hear it :-)

Simon

HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

kalina

@Iszi that's really the only thing that makes me pause

Rory Alsop

@Simon :-)

kalina

it's not like my Microsoft account has my real name on it anyway

Simon

You're a real name.

Iszi

3:24 PM

@kalina Maybe not, but consider all the websites you visit, e-mails you send/receive, etc. on a daily basis.

kalina

@Iszi I don't email on a desktop

Iszi

Technical Preview very clearly states they're doing keylogging & voice recording.

Simon

Yeah, way too mainstream.

kalina

and well, unless Microsoft are interested in DMZ chats and randomly googling

VOICE RECORDING?!

AviD

okay, short ontopic break: anybody have experience with oracle ADF?

Iszi

3:25 PM

pcworld.com/article/2834875/…

Ohnana

@Iszi afsldfjsdf?

kalina

@AviD nobody cares

Iszi

@AviD How is Win10TP privacy not on-topic?

Rory Alsop

@AviD sorry, no - been a while since I was Oracle-y

AviD

@kalina unfortunately true

kalina

3:25 PM

@Iszi I guess I'll just input 100dB of noise for the entire time my PC is running

Ohnana

@Iszi SWEET CHRIST ON A CRACKER

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Yeah, you blew past that rank centuries ago.

AviD

@Iszi well I started typing before you accidentally veered ontopic

Rory Alsop

@Iszi heh

kalina

ok I guess I'm sticking with Windows 8.1 then

AviD

3:26 PM

@RoryAlsop this isnt even standard oracley, its java-ey

Iszi

@AviD So, that's more "Sunny"?

AviD

not sure. its such a craptastic framework that I wouldnt expect Sun to build it.

kalina

SSDs and RAID, talk to me

AviD

I mean, yeah, it does seem along the lines of what Oracle would build. Just meant that its not what @RoryAlsop was expecting.

Rory Alsop

@Iszi it's sounding a lot like coffee

AviD

3:28 PM

since he only knows Oracle as the database company.

kalina

does nobody here have experience with SSDs in RAID?

Ohnana

@kalina raid 0 all the way

AviD

@kalina I do not. However I'm getting some experience now with Storage Spaces (on @JourneymanGeek's recommendation), and quite please so far.

though you cant use it for the book disk.

kalina

@Ohnana not really, RAID, is it

Iszi

Java (programming language)

Java is a general-purpose computer programming language that is concurrent, class-based, object-oriented, and specifically designed to have as few implementation dependencies as possible. It is intended to let application developers "write once, run anywhere" (WORA), meaning that code that runs on one platform does not need to be recompiled to run on another. Java applications are typically compiled to bytecode that can run on any Java virtual machine (JVM) regardless of computer architecture. Java is, as of 2015, one of the most popular programming languages in use, particularly for client-server...

Sun released the first 1.0.

AviD

3:30 PM

@Iszi durpadurp?

I was talking about ADF, not Java.

Rory Alsop

@AviD pretty much, yeah - although as my eldest brother works for them I should know better

AviD

and duh I know duh that sunduh released duhjavaduh

Simon

uh

Iszi

5 mins ago, by AviD

@RoryAlsop this isnt even standard oracley, its java-ey

Ohnana

@kalina but think of all the speed you could get

AviD

3:32 PM

@Iszi wow, did you take extra simonpills today?

kalina

@Ohnana I'm not interested in speed

Rory Alsop

@AviD was trying to find the link to ASDF - but doing that on mobile is tricky. It doesn't want to give you the URL

Simon

simonpillswat

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AviD

I was saying that Oracle ADF is not typical Oracle (i.e. database for @RoryAlsop), but a Java-ey framework.

kalina

The speed of an SSD by itself is sufficient, I'm after redundancy

Rory Alsop

3:32 PM

@Simon apparently you are an amphetamine

kalina

RAID 0 has no redundancy

Iszi

@AviD Reminds me. Haven't taken my ADD meds yet. Hope there's nothing shiny between me and the pills right now.

Simon

aw yeah boi

kalina

so it's not fit for purpose

@Iszi or a squirrel

it's always a squirrel or a bird doing something in my field of vision when I need to concentrate

Ohnana

@kalina yeah I know I'm being stupid. If I'm completely serious, something like RAID 5 or something would thrash those disks and kill them

kalina

3:34 PM

@Ohnana which was my question...

I know SSDs in RAID was a bad idea a few years ago

Is it still a bad idea?

Simon

@Ohnana something like or something

AviD

@kalina I read up on it recently, supposedly some very good options.

kalina

obviously I need to befriend some actual nerds

so that I can just ask a question, get a full suggested solution and be on my way

AviD

if im not mistaken, some mobos even have RAID SSD built in.

@kalina @JourneymanGeek would have the information you need.

Ohnana

@kalina if you have the high endurance stuff it's actually decent

@Simon shaddap

kalina

3:35 PM

Basically, now that 500GB SSDs are cheap

AviD

also, I am assuming that budget is not a big constraint for you.

Simon

@Ohnana pls

AviD

so you have better options

kalina

I was wondering if sticking 5 or 6 of them in RAID 5 would still have the massively negative drain on life impact it did a few years ago

Iszi

@AviD Doesn't that just make it RAD?

AviD

3:36 PM

@Iszi independent? wat?

kalina

@AviD not really but I also would choose to have the drives acting independently if doing RAID without destroying the disks involved buying a separate controller

Ohnana

@kalina check the endurance rating on them. do some math and see how much data you'll be moving around approximately

kalina

because... cba with that

Iszi

@AviD According to Wiki (and the way I learned it) it was originally "inexpensive".

kalina

I really just want to plug it all into each other and turn it on, booting first time, OS installed with the second boot, software installed with the third

AviD

3:37 PM

@Iszi not anymore

Iszi

RAID

RAID (originally redundant array of inexpensive disks; now commonly redundant array of independent disks) is a data storage virtualization technology that combines multiple disk drive components into a logical unit for the purposes of data redundancy or performance improvement. Data is distributed across the drives in one of several ways, referred to as RAID levels, depending on the specific level of redundancy and performance required. The different schemes or architectures are named by the word RAID followed by a number (e.g. RAID 0, RAID 1). Each scheme provides a different balance between the...

kalina

I hate diagnosing problems

AviD

> now commonly redundant array of independent disks

Simon

@Iszi Oh, you're one of those fact nurdz? We love dem fact nurdz.

Iszi

@Simon STFU. You're still dispwned.

AviD

3:38 PM

@kalina so just go with 3-way mirroring.

Simon

hahahahaha

Ohnana

@kalina i mean, having one disk for the OS/system files and one for user files is also a good redundancy strategy

Iszi

@AviD Sounds kinky.

kalina

@AviD mmmh, I do my mirroring to a separate machine when the PC is idle

Iszi

@Ohnana DAFUQ? There's zero redundancy there.

Ohnana

3:38 PM

backing up the user drive performs reads so it doesn't kill it

AviD

@Ohnana its only redundant if there are 2 disks for each of those

Simon

I redundant your mom.

Iszi

Load distribution, sure. But no redundancy.

AviD

@Iszi also other benefits. but no redundancy.

Ohnana

redundancy isn't quite right there. robust?

kalina

3:39 PM

it's not robust either

Ohnana

for a user desktop it's more than sufficient IMHO

AviD

@Ohnana wrong, redundancy is exactly riught.

Simon

riught

AviD

as that was the parameters of the requirement.

Ohnana

@AviD this is why I don't work as a sysadmin

kalina

3:40 PM

my current setup is 3 SSDs and 2 spinning disks in RAID 0

which is fine, but I want to lose the noisy ones

everything on the spinning disks is mirrored onto another PC

everything on the SSDs could be downloaded again

Iszi

Funny thing about RAID - some levels are really just AID. You can't have the R without mirroring or parity.

kalina

yes, I know "RAID 0" is not RAID

yet it is illogical to me why RAID 0+1 is slower than RAID 1+0/10

Iszi

Yeah, come to think... 0 is really the only one lacking R.

kalina

(that isn't an invite to explain why, I don't care so I won't retain anything you tell me on the subject)

I'm not really a fan of using twice as many disks and running RAID 1/10/1+0/why are there so many different numbers for basically the smae thing

AviD

@kalina its because you have to reverse the parity.

Iszi

3:44 PM

@AviD Just to be clear, that's parity there - not polarity.

kalina

I said no

AviD

@Iszi yes exactly :-)

Iszi

'Cause when you start doing the latter, we end up in wormholes and crap.

AviD

I gave @RoryAlsop a Doctor who joke, and a bad pun, all rolled into one.

kalina

wormholes and crap?

AviD

3:45 PM

@kalina sure, any idea how much crap is in dem wormholes?

kalina

no

Iszi

@AviD If we're talking about birds, that's just plain sick.

AviD

@Iszi it is disrespectful to call women "birds".

kalina

since I currently host my pagefile on the spinning disks, should I get a separate SSD exclusively for temporary files/page file?

to save wear on the other drives

Iszi

@AviD No, I literally meant "birds". As in, they'd call a "wormhole" what we call a "piehole".

AviD

3:46 PM

@kalina for performance, or for disk lifetime?

kalina

@AviD the latter

Iszi

Then again, I'm sure there's many an Internet video demonstrating that there are in fact various different types of "pieholes".

AviD

good question.

Iszi

Rule 34 that.

kalina

temp files and pagefiles is the bulk of the writing on a day to day basis, surely

AviD

3:47 PM

a while ago they were saying that the wear of a typical OS doesnt affect lifetime that much, but still not quite ignorable. wonder if thats changed yet.

Simon

It's a tuna, a tinned tuna.

AviD

@Iszi birds say "Shut your wormhole, simon" ?

Simon

o

AviD

@Iszi 34?

Iszi

@AviD I would have gone back to the sci-fi jokes, and ended that with "wesley", but yeah.

@AviD Ah, right. Fix that for me?

Nevermind. Ninja'd.