The DMZ

Terry Chia

12:34 AM

Yeah, I'm not good with that stuff. :)

Compliance is yawn.

Journeyman Geek

@kalina If your raid controller supports trim, it should be ok. Otherwise no, I'd rather go with softraid.

or just SSDs since they are already significantly faster than spinning rust drives

Simon

Your daily WTF NSFW: blabbermouth.net/news/…

schroeder

@TildalWave Their new marketing person doesn't "get" social media marketing ... reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2p6kbq/duo_security_2fa

TildalWave

1:15 AM

@schroeder yeah this one deserves a few upvotes reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2p6kbq/duo_security_2fa/co44ilw

Ohnana

1:42 AM

@schroeder oh man that's a huge fail

Simon

2:29 AM

What do you guys use to send e-mails with your domain name cleanly?

It's no longer free with Google :(

kalina

8:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek that was my thought on it too

@Simon host your own mailserver

kalina

8:55 AM

what... the fuck

this has got to be the most in your face site design SE has ever produced

Rory Alsop

@kalina it's horrible! I think the guys from UX.SE have been having a go at them :-)

kalina

certainly made me double take

"huh, did I just click on the right thing?"

"WHAT HAVE I DONE?"

"oh wtf that's so ugly"

*close tab*

at least I'm awake now, after having my eyes offended

I'm going home tonight

I'm certainly looking forward to it, the level of background drama around these parts seems to be increasing exponentially the longer I'm here, it seems

@Simon read the title, WTF achieved

Rory Alsop

9:11 AM

@kalina their chat room is cool though. Scroll up and down :-)

kalina

I can't

It would break my DMZ-only-ness

what with me being a former regular in there

Arperum

yesterday, by AviD

@TerryChia no. No no no. Just no.

kalina

anyway, enough of the complaints, I'm sure Jin spent hours working on that

obviously with his eyes closed, and/or with a blindfold on

but still, that's somebody's hard work

AviD

@kalina hey hey, come on. For all you know he may have been high.

Rory Alsop

@kalina that one wasn't Jin

kalina

9:17 AM

@RoryAlsop that explains everything

tell Jin that it's obvious

Rory Alsop

It was Kurtis

Kurtis Beavers, Bloomington, IN

1 1 6

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop mornin' hows the snow out your way

kalina

@AviD that would have improved the design or prevented it from being done at all

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune lovely - 4 inches or so

AviD

@RoryAlsop it's a shame. We will miss him.

Rоry McCune

9:18 AM

@RoryAlsop yeah that's about what we've got... looks nice, but was a pain to clear off the drive

AviD

@RоryMcCune TW....SS?

Rоry McCune

@AviD well the missus was thinking it was hard work as well yep.

kalina

"lovely" and "4 inches"

AviD

damn!

kalina

hmm

Rory Alsop

9:20 AM

@kalina and didn't even get a star :-)

@kalina expecting another 6 inches later...

2

Rоry McCune

kalina

@RoryAlsop nobody cares about stars

AviD

@RoryAlsop yes, yes you did

Rоry McCune

^^^ quality album cover

Rory Alsop

@AviD lol

@RоryMcCune it's scary

AviD

9:20 AM

@RoryAlsop I didnt just do that, it was there before

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop pretty much, but that just adds to the quality, as presumably the scariness is not intentional

kalina

apparently I can't see gravatar

Rory Alsop

@kalina - an ad-blocker?

kalina

I don't ad block gravatar

ghostery hasn't decided to block gravatar either

and if I disconnect from my VPN everything works

so I blame them

it's all their fault

Rory Alsop

@kalina oh - odd

kalina

9:27 AM

I love ghostery

what a plugin

it's so useful it should be like standard functionality

kalina

9:48 AM

I just can't handle all that red

how am I supposed to use that site now

Arperum

9:59 AM

@kalina Some browser plugin that allows you to restyle a website? Or use the css from some other site.

kalina

why would I do that

it's much less effort to just stop using the site

there are other far less red websites to ask movie questions on

AviD

►

@RoryAlsop ^

0 to 60 in 3 seconds

Tinned_Tuna

@AviD neat :-)

kalina

Tesla D looks fun but I'm not sure it's worth the money

most of my journies are long distance

Rоry McCune

10:20 AM

@kalina you can tell Simon is not here by the lack of response to that :op

@AviD maan that would be sooooo cool

Rory Alsop

@AviD I WANT ONE!!!

(but I like the noise of my engine)

And cost is an issue

And we don't have enough electric stations here

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop you could have one of the fake engine noise packs they have....

@RoryAlsop yeah that is a problem in scotland although I did see some charging stations in Glasgow the other day

kalina

@RоryMcCune why would you do that?

Rоry McCune

@kalina people like engine noise...

kalina

an electric car is ideal for playing back music

(in terms of cars, anyway)

Rоry McCune

10:29 AM

@kalina for some people engine noise is music :)

kalina

I'm not one of those people

Rory Alsop

I am

I really really am

A flat 4 boxer turbocharged subaru engine is music

AviD

@kalina and for talking on the phone....

kalina

I don't talk on the phone while driving

chat... text... browse the internet...

not talk, though

I have perfected my "talking to Google and actually getting what you said to appear on the screen" voice

AviD

10:44 AM

neither do I - I'm rarely in the car often enough and long enough when I have so much to do...

kalina

Ok Google

blip

Rory Alsop

hahahahahaha: facebook.com/video.php?v=10152962580156413&fref=nf

In the car I have even disconnected the radio so I can't possibly be persuaded to turn it on. My options are: engine, or my entire music collection (and some audiobooks I suppose)

kalina

oh what

flights in and out of manchester are stopped?

Rory Alsop

@kalina wow - snow that bad?

kalina

there is no snow here

apparently manchester airport looks like this:

wonder if I can get a flight out of london instead

Rory Alsop

10:54 AM

Is lovely here

need to go for a drive

to get

coffee and lunch

Barry Carlyon

Last tweet I saw was saying Mancehster Airport is closed.

Rory Alsop

and other good reasons

Barry Carlyon

But City Center is fairly snowless last camera I looked at

kalina

why is it

that you

@RoryAlsop

are typing

like @Lighty

hm?

AviD

he is on

his mobile

Rory Alsop

10:55 AM

How does lighty type? Using fingers as well?

kalina

that's not

really a good

Barry Carlyon

guys

please

Rory Alsop

No - am on my main PC

kalina

excuse

AviD

well, he does

Barry Carlyon

10:56 AM

you all gone

mad

AviD

use an iphone

and he doesnt

know how to

use an iphone

kalina

oh right

Rory Alsop

that's an interesting sentence @AviD

I don't have an iPhone

kalina

an iphone user

that explains

AviD

heehee

Rory Alsop

10:56 AM

maybe he does, if he is someone else

kalina

all the things

AviD

okay, you've all just gone and #simonized the DMZ.

Rory Alsop

@AviD mod abuse

AviD

you've #simonized the hell out of it.

Rory Alsop

(ie folks abusing a mod)

kalina

10:58 AM

It's going to take me 14 hours to drive home

or

3 hours and a short flight

+ a shitload of waiting

AviD

you have a weird sex life.

kalina

I'm not discussing my sex life

no.

nobody wants to know

AviD

thank goodness.

kalina

I'm talking about my getting home life

since I have stuff I have to do tomorrow and that requires other stuff that is not currently with me

since I am terrible at planning more than a few hours ahead when I do impulsive travelling

apparently there is a snow warning here as well for later today

Barry Carlyon

Well I hope you manage to get home safe @kalina :-)

Rory Alsop

11:03 AM

@kalina I didn't mean that when I wrote a similar thing earlier...

kalina

@RoryAlsop well, obviously

Rory Alsop

@kalina :-)

kalina

the fact you actually felt you needed to clarify that makes me super suspicious, though

3 hours of waiting for a connecting flight

I need my own plane

somebody buy me a plane for christmas

Rory Alsop

@kalina Now this is something I agree on. I was always jealous of Iron Maiden for this.

kalina

ok, I read this completely wrong

basically, I can leave today, and no matter which flight I take out of any airport in London it's a 10+ hour trip with a massive (9 hour) wait at another airport

or I can leave tomorrow, get a non-stop flight, and be there in an hour

and since it has just started snowing here

nevermind, enacting the awkward journey instead

back later

AviD

11:25 AM

@RoryAlsop and Taylor Swift.

oh cool, I just learned some Catalanian curse words.

and who says SE is not educational.

Simon

12:31 PM

@kalina Bleh, I don't wanna do that but I might have to.

I just want my web service to send confirmation emails.

Rоry McCune

12:52 PM

@Simon does it have to be from a domain you own?

otherwise would something like Sendgrid work?

@Simon sendgrid.com

Simon

@RоryMcCune Yes.

Rоry McCune

@Simon shame, think you can do that from sendgrid but not on the cheaper plans...

Simon

aw :(

Thanks though!

Terry Chia

@Simon It's always either pay $$ or do the work.

Amazon SES may work though,aws.amazon.com/ses

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia or use a service that's in start-up and hasn't got round to charging yet :)

Terry Chia

12:54 PM

It's definitely more difficult to use than Sendgrid and the likes but much much simpler than hosting your own mail server.

Simon

@TerryChia Hum I'll check that out.

I might just set up a mail server on the very same VPS that has the web service.

Terry Chia

@Simon Not a good idea.

Self-hosting a mail server is never a good idea. ;)

Simon

@TerryChia Even if I'm not expecting a huge user-base

?

I knoooooow!

I'm trying to convince myself.

I just need to send out links with hashes for e-mail validation.

Terry Chia

Getting email delivered reliably is a bitch.

Simon

It's so damn simple, yet it seems like I'd need to use a @gmail.com account -.-

Is there a domain registrar that offers an smtp as default?

I'm fairly sure that namecheap used to do it, now you have to pay.

TildalWave

1:09 PM

@RоryMcCune Is that the hardcore version of "Touched By Angels"? :)

2

Terry Chia

2

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave it definitely sounds a bit dodgy, as @TerryChia 's use of his favourite GIF would indicate...

Arperum

@RоryMcCune I have that gif basically linked to a certain other user in my mind.

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune I was talking about music and titles of albums, what did you think I was talking of? :))

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave no idea guv

Terry Chia

1:21 PM

@Arperum Fei?

Arperum

@TerryChia Yup, I was just not mentioning his name (although I am perfectly capable of typing it out if I want)

Rоry McCune

nah whenever I see that GIF it just reminds me of Christina Hendricks role in Firefly... which is not a bad thing :)

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Fei used to use it all the time when @kalina says something. :)

raz

@RоryMcCune We've had this conversation before

Terry Chia

@raz We've had many conversations before.

Arperum

1:27 PM

@TerryChia Yup.

Rоry McCune

@raz yeah true but are you saying that remembering that role again is necessarily a bad thing?

raz

@RоryMcCune haha, not at all. I was just commenting on how you typed the exact same message the last time the gif came up.

Rоry McCune

@raz yeah, well I'm old, I often forget I've done stuff :)

AviD

@RоryMcCune senile but consistent, eh?

but OHHH MAAYYY GAAAWWWWD this ADF stuff is so frikkkkin boring

I used to enjoy learning a new framework's architecture, when did I get so old?

Rоry McCune

@AviD nice :op the last time I said that was like 3 months ago... I challenge you to remember what you said that day in the DMZ :op

AviD

1:34 PM

hmm must be around the time that Node.js was being called "great"

Terry Chia

@AviD ADF?

AviD

that's it then, node.js officially broke me.

Journeyman Geek

@AviD: Yanno what I love to say about hammers, right?

AviD

@JourneymanGeek "If you're going to sit on a hammer, better make sure it goes lengthwise" ?

@TerryChia Oracle ADF. kinda like a java framework, kinda like JSF, kinda like Magik. Kinda like root canal for your brain.

Journeyman Geek

man, that is a loud disk 0_0

AviD

1:38 PM

@RоryMcCune no clue, same thing?

Terry Chia

@AviD "Oracle". "root canal for your brain" Yup.

Journeyman Geek

@AviD: I'm planning on benchmarking a storage spaces setup.

Prolly not going to use it. Grabbed an old/spare disk and its making slightly grindy noises

AviD

@RоryMcCune actually, absolutely nothing. what?

@JourneymanGeek not going to use SS?

Journeyman Geek

Naw. not that disk

Rоry McCune

@AviD exactly but you don't remember stuff that far back either way :op

AviD

1:40 PM

@RоryMcCune ya lost me

Rоry McCune

@AviD my general point was that most people don't remember what they said in casual conversation (e.g. the DMZ) 3 months ago :)

I was attempting to defend my lack of senility

it's something we old people do

AviD

aahhh gotcha

but thats what the internet is for

external memory for your brain

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune looks at @RoryAlsop.

AviD

better indexing, too

Simon

@AviD Or for meeting awesome people like #me.

And laughing at @JourneymanGeek's dog.

Terry Chia

1:42 PM

2 days ago, by AviD

@TerryChia no. No no no. Just no.

Simon

pls terry

Rоry McCune

@AviD hell yeah without OneNote/Evernote/Google I'd be stuffed

AviD

@TerryChia heeey dont misuse me

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: meh, you're merely jealous he's smarter than you ;p

AviD

dammit

Journeyman Geek

1:43 PM

(not that that's hard)

3

Simon

@TerryChia When I was 6, I had an imaginary friend called Terry. Will you make me dream come true and be my real friend?

Rоry McCune

@AviD BTW if you're looking for an expert on Oracle Tech, I understand that @Simon is the go to person

Terry Chia

@JourneymanGeek TWSS!

Simon

@JourneymanGeek :'(

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Simon

1:43 PM

@RоryMcCune pls

Rоry McCune

@Simon exactly

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune He's writing enterprise PHP now?

AviD

hehehehe

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia good description of Oracle I like it

Simon

@TerryChia PLS

At least I'm doing Symfony2 this morning.

It's based-off django.

AviD

1:44 PM

PLS

PLS or Pls may refer to: == Organizations == Partito Liberale Svizzero (Italian for Liberal Party of Switzerland) Pioneer Library System, libraries operating in several counties in Oklahoma Poculi Ludique Societas, Medieval & Renaissance Players of Toronto Polska Liga Siatkówki (English: Polish Volleyball League) Princeton Law School, a department of Princeton University from 1847 until 1852 Premier League Soccer, an Indian football league competition based in West Bengal == Science and technology == Partial least squares regression, a statistical method (also known as "projection to la...

Rоry McCune

@Simon which is based off rails, so you're not in too bad a place really

(inb4 a python person tells me Django came first)

AviD

isnt django a desert rat?

Simon

@RоryMcCune I really like django! So far, it just makes a lot of sense.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Django did come first. :)

Simon

RoR is based-off django?

Terry Chia

1:46 PM

But they don't really have much in common besides both being monolithic frameworks.

Simon

o

Rоry McCune

@Simon don't think so..

Terry Chia

Rails (and Ruby) is waaaaay more magical than Django.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia isn't Django REST'y like rails

Simon

Magical in a good or bad way?

Rоry McCune

1:47 PM

@Simon both

Simon

lulz

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune That's like saying all HTTP frameworks are similar to rails...

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia nope it's like saying all scripting language MVC REST frameworks that came out around the same time are like rails :)

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Errr no. :)

AviD

yeah, now that you mention it Rails IS a lot like node.js.

NOT.

Simon

1:48 PM

The main reason why I'm making my résumé website in django is because I want @TerryChia to stop laughing at me.

Terry Chia

@Simon I'll never stop laughing at you.

AviD

noooot gonn' happen.

Simon

That's the spirit, boiz.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia Djano is MVC? REST based? written in a scripting language? came out at roughly the same time as rails?

Simon

@RоryMcCune MVC, yes.

Terry Chia

1:49 PM

@Simon Except maybe when @Lighty is around.

Simon

@TerryChia Appreciated.

Rоry McCune

@Simon and it came out the same year as rails

AviD

@AviD ohhh I was thinking of RANGO. different.

Simon

@RоryMcCune Interesting. I might try RoR one day.

I wanna master django first though.

AviD

@Simon really? "master"?

you cant even master your own domain.

Simon

1:51 PM

@AviD Yes, just like I wanna master your mom.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Honestly, I'm not a fan of Rails (and Django).

Simon

@TerryChia What don't you like about django?

AviD

@Simon lose

Terry Chia

@Simon I don't like monolithic frameworks.

Ohnana

all I can think of is Django unchained

AviD

1:52 PM

@Ohnana and I keep thinking of Rango.

Ohnana

the story of a web framework seeking to reclaim his freedom from unforgiving web devs

Simon

@TerryChia Because?

AviD

@TerryChia I don't like monolithic your mom.

Tinned_Tuna

@TerryChia you more of a flask guy?

Terry Chia

@Simon I like flexibility.

^ go on...

Simon

1:52 PM

Legit reason.

AviD

@TerryChia that makes no sense whatsoever.

Terry Chia

@Tinned_Tuna Yup.

And honestly, I'm not a web dev.

AviD

what in the world makes you imagine that monolithic prevents flexibility?

Simon

@AviD Really? The possibilities are infinite when she's flexible.

wat

Terry Chia

@AviD Have you tried using something other than ActiveRecord in Rails?

it's possible but it's a huge PITA.

AviD

1:55 PM

ohhh okay now I see what you misunderstood.

Tinned_Tuna

I just point blank refuse to use Rails... and I prefer not to use Python.

but if it's about and the job is literally a once-off, or low-value, I'll use Python.

Terry Chia

@Tinned_Tuna Well, at least the first half of that sentence is sensible. ;)

Tinned_Tuna

haha :-)

Simon

I feel all sexy when I'm coding python.

Tinned_Tuna

I just don't feel as confident with it as I do other languages. I wouldn't have confidence in its correctness after I'd written it.

Simon

1:58 PM

@Tinned_Tuna Well, if you'll never feel confident if you don't code more in python.

AviD

@Simon you know they're talking about the language, and not your D, right?

Terry Chia

@Tinned_Tuna Correctness is definitely a problem for dynamic languages.

Simon

@AviD NO

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