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8:03 PM
All other things being equal, yes a tripod will improve IQ. But if you aren't pixel peeping, or shooting over an hour after dusk, I very rarely see the need.
Specialty work - macro, studio, etc of course gives it a good use case
 
@dpollitt Guess it depends on what you're shooting... and to some extent the style you're shooting...
 
@dpollitt I can see why he drives some people batty. I think any time you offer or ask for a "one size fits all" solution, you're setting yourself up to look like an idiot. Know where it's appropriate (and needed) and use it then.
 
Agree with all above comments :-)
 
Also if you're doing anything long exposure wise with landscape work
 
I get fired up when people start recommending tripods like they were recommended to me when I was starting. They do help you to slow down, compose, think about the shot, etc. They also do help more with the crappy lenses most of us start out with. But when you start to get into mid to upper range equipment, you know how to compose well, you understand the technical limitations and applications of your equipment, etc you don't need a tripod as much as some people make it sound.
 
8:16 PM
@dpollitt Not all landscape shots use a wide-angle lens. I shoot landscapes with a 16-35, 50, and 100-400mm lens
 
Yes there are applications. I'm talking about the guy shooting old faithful at yellowstone setting up his tripod like it is going to make a difference at 5pm in the afternoon with a 18-55mm kit lens on.
 
@dpollitt look, i'm not suggesting a $2k tripod, but there's a big difference in EVERY WAY between a cheap pod and the next step up. It may not be a big difference to your style, but it is to alot of styles. Its a perfectly valid, general recommendation to me
Is he wanting a long exposure to blur the water?
 
please stop using "alot". it is 2 words
 
please stop freaking out about a lot of things ;)
 
@dpollitt: And, you would be surprised how difficult it can be to frame, compose, focus, and snap a landscape shot all hand-held. It gets even more complex and difficult when you involve polarizing, ND, or GND filters.
landscape photography is a careful, meticulous "craft", one that isn't very well suited to hand-held execution
 
8:19 PM
@jrista Those are all valid points. It is when people claim that you NEED tripod to get the sharp landscape photos that i get driven nuts
 
@rfusca I think you meant "please stop freaking out about alot of things..." Right? :-)
 
sorry, it was a bad statement for the sharp stuff
@JayLancePhotography nah, i was trying to be "alittle" nice
 
@jrista I usually frame, compose, focus, and snap all shots, not just my landscape ones.
 
@dpollitt It depends on how steady your hands are. Some people don't have a stance of rock. Many of the most appealing landscape shots tend to be lower light, shot in the early morning at sunrise or late afternoon at sunset, where light considerably less. When you need an f/11 aperture to maintain good sharpness and proper depth of field, you might only have a 1/5th second shutter speed, in which case...yes, a tripod is absolutely necessary.
 
8:21 PM
Doesn't sound too special when you put it that way
so you are shoooting at iso 100
 
when it comes to shots that I craft...yes, I always shoot ISO 100
when its action, I let ISO go wherever it goes....but when you don't have motion (or possibly even want a long exposure to blur the motion of sky and water), I always use ISO 100....so do a LOT of landscape photographers
 
ya, i certainly prefer it if possible
 
a tripod is one of the fundamentals of landscape photography....its rarely practical to shoot landscapes hand-held...from a sharpness perspective, as well as from many other perspectives
 
@dpollitt you just perfer no tripod, high iso over tripod, low iso?
 
I'm usually hand-held with a telephoto when I shoot birds
and more often than not when shooting wildlife
I can't afford a nice f/2.8 500mm lens, or even an f/4 500mm lens
so I'm stuck with a variable 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 lens
which means pretty high ISO for handheld shots. I try to use a tripod or monopod whenever I can so I can use (or get) a lower ISO
 
8:24 PM
no shame in the 100-400, that is a nice lens for sure
 
yeah, its a nice lens
but it does impose its limitations
 
@jrista are you starting to do some of the panorama telephoto landscapes?
 
anyway
 
@rfusca I'm perfectly content with ISO 400 for a landscape, putting my camera in burst mode and firing off 6 shots and choosing the sharpest later - rather then carrying 3-4lbs on my back to hike into the backcountry
 
@rfusca yeah...I have a few
 
8:26 PM
I do a lot of minimalist camping, and 4lbs isn't going to fly with my style
 
when it comes to landscapes, what you saw last night was the first since February :(
I hope that once I am able to take a vacation, I'll be able to do some better landscape stuff
in the mean time, its birds and bugs and wildlife, maybe some night city stuff
 
where do you live jrist
 
@dpollitt sure, i can appreciate that. You're decided the tradeoff is worth it
i love camping
 
Am I the only one that thinks as the technology progresses that tripods will be less and less useful?
to a point
 
for certain kinds of shots, sure - to a point
until the camera floats by itself
anti-grav camera
but i think there's still alot of useful places left
certainly not as many as 10 years ago though
 
8:38 PM
if we have ISO 102,400 or whatever, and its very low noise, with 6 stop IS built into our lenses(or bodies), I dont think a tripod is going to get used much
and we aren't even that far from either of those things.. that will happen within the next few years
 
sure, those would make it good for the low light things, but there's still at least three other reasons for tripods. Long exposures for artistic reasons, consistency in pano shots, and when you need it to be held independently of your two hands
 
yes, those are all valid
 
@dpollitt i think we're already borderline where you're talking about those with the strictly low light situations
usable ISO 20000 and a 2-3 stop IS - which we have now - covers alot (not all) of low light situations
 
yea, the 4 stop IS from canon now is pretty awesome
 
@dpollitt yup, the rate IS and sensors are progressing is quite impressive
 
8:51 PM
@dpollitt Colorado, US
 
@jrista hows the veggie diet coming along?
 
@dpollitt Doubtful. Not everything lends itself to being done hand-held. And no matter how good they improve signal-to-noise ratio, when you amplify the signal, your still going to be amplifying noise.
@rfusca Pretty good. I certainly feel a hell of a lot better.
 
thats good
sleeping ok?
 
I've only lost about half a pound though, even though I just spent an entire weekend of 12 hour days working in my yard...and that didn't seem to have the slightest impact on my weight.
no, sleep still sucks
fuckin birds
3:15 am....clockwork
bird #1 starts singing
 
lol
 
8:53 PM
I know its the same bird, because every Robin has a unique song
about 3:30-3:45, a few more start
same few birds, because they have their unique songs
by 4:15am, its a friggin tumultuous sound...probably a thousand robins singing up a storm
fuckin birds
 
they make ultrasonic bird repellers - you could set it on a timer just for night
 
I had several of those.
 
or get an outdoor cat
 
from BirdX
three on my house, two in front, one in back
 
didn't work well?
 
8:54 PM
worked like a DREAM on the mourning doves
I watched a pair fly into range, freak out and do an about face in-flight and head the other direction
doesn't do squat for the robins
 
lol
thats sucks
 
so I returned those...cost me like $600, but at least I was able to return it
 
kitty cat time
 
outdoor cat would be coyote fodder within a week
 
oh that sucks
 
8:55 PM
yeah
heh, I get rabbit remains on my lawn every couple weeks
which is all fine with me....damn rabbits poop in a circle
 
ew
 
I have all these rings on my lawn...green spot in the middle where the rabbit sat, ring of burnt grass around that as it chewed its way in a circle, and pooped as it went
so I like having the coyotes
they mitigate my rabbit problems
 
I'm heading to denver in july, hopefully I'll get to see some decent sights, but unfortunately I probably wont be able to do too much landscape work
 
lol
i never get to travel to anywhere good
 
@dpollitt denver is pretty boring....fyi
There aren't really any sights here. If you want to see something interesting, you gotta head into the mountains.
 
8:58 PM
Oh yea I've been to denver
I've been all over, but I'm hoping to at least head up to red rocks for some hiking this time. I'm going for a wedding so its a lot different then most times when I go for the ski hills
 
@dpollitt ya - you unmarried or at least no kids? that affords that kind of time to travel
 
ha just a dog and wife at the moment
so yes we travel quite a bit
i also traveled a lot for my previous job
it is nice when you can travel 100% on someone elses dime
 
ya, that is nice
 
@dpollitt You should hit Roxborough state park.
Its open from 8am to 5pm
just south of chatfield
really nice place
tons of HUGE red slabs of rock shoved through the earth
tons of wildlife
 
oh natural national landmark, i like
this might be doable, thanks for the tip
my next trip is going to be southern utah. probably drive all the way through CO to get there too.
 
9:05 PM
there is a map
its pretty easy to get to from denver
or anywhere in denver area
 
9:51 PM
Is this a sculpture, or some kind of photomanip:
 
10:11 PM
@jrista Looks like a sculpture. There's something resembling a mounting plate at the bottom of each foot.
@jrista I missed the bit where you were bemoaning being "stuck" with that 100-400 L lens. Life's rough, huh? Sheesh (he says, slinking off into the corner with his 70-300 Canon)....
 
10:51 PM
@DLambert LOL. Well, I LOVE that lens. And to be honest, I think its more the camera than the lens that is really the problem. My 450D sucks with noise, and anything above ISO 400 is pretty noisy. Even ISO 400 itself can be fairly noisy when you have large solid blue and green areas.
But, an f/5.6 aperture is pretty limiting, regardless of how nice the lens is overall.
I'd like to get the 600mm f/4 at some point, but its about as expensive as two 5D II's
maybe even more than that
 
ha
So whats the difference between the current Canon lens and the one announced today - canon-europe.com/About_Us/Press_Centre/Press_Releases/…
EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS II
 
I don't think any low-end lens from canon has ever had a UD element in it
and it has circular aperture blades, which I think is also a first for their super low end
it has their nicer multicoating as well, which is probably another bonus
flaring is usually pretty bad on canon's silver-band lenses
 
Sounds like quite nice improvements for a lens that will probably retail around 300
 
and it seems to include a lens hood, when normally their cheap lenses require you buy the hood as an addon
yeah, not bad at all
and for that 88-400mm effective focal range
I'm a little surprised
I would have figured such a lens would qualify for their mid-grade bold band designation
oh...actually
no USM
its still got the crappy old gear drive motor
 
where do you see that it includes a hood?
 
11:06 PM
thats why its still silver band
In the accessories list
oh...wait...
guess it does say optional
I didn't finish reading that sentence
 
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