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1:22 AM
hmm, i hadn't heard it before, but its rumored that canon will be releasing a Foveon-like sensor next year
 
yeah
it really sounds like Canon definitely wants to mix things up with the 1D line
I'm pretty curious what they come up with
a 30+mp foveon-like sensor would definitely shake things up
and they could probably do it too
since they were able to demonstrate high speed readout from a 120mp bayer sensor last year
 
ya, should be an interesting few years for tech
 
too bad it will probably only be 1D line
 
if a big player makes a major technology change, it could definitely shake things up. Right now, nobody has anything tech-wise that gives them a clear advantage
 
even with a foveon-type sensor, I couldn't shell out $6000-8000
 
1:38 AM
if the sony translucent mirror solved the heat issue and reduced the light-loss some more - that could be some neat technology. a non-moving mirror is a definite speed and simplicity advantage
@jrista ya, thats ALOT of money
wow, i didn't realize the k-5 sensor was rated above the 1D series sensor
and above a bunch of hassys...wierd
 
I think its actually a combination of the K-5 sensor and its image processing chip
I was chatting with John C. a while back, and he mentioned that for a while, Pentax had to use very noisy sensors from some other manufacturer. That forced them to solve their noise problem with their image processor.
 
ya, they were a samsung partner
i believe
 
They had to be competitive, so their noise removal ended up REALLY good. Now that they use better sensors (I think from sony) they have one of the lowest noise floors of any camera.
yeah, samsung
 
@jrista ya, it really has to be, because it shares a sensor with a few other cameras that don't have as low noise
ya, its sony
 
so they really upped the bar on noise performance
 
1:52 AM
yup
 
everyone else will have to compete at their level now
 
it'd be nice to see them rewarded with a bit of market share
 
well
its tough to eat away at the top dog(s)
look at apple
they have had 3-5% market share for decades
 
oh ya
 
despite the fact that they have GREATLY improved, and innovated a fair bit
while Microsoft started to stagnate
the story is still unchanged
 
1:54 AM
perhaps
 
(I think its the reverse with Windows 8...apple seems to be the one stagnating now, while Microsoft seems to be innovating pretty hard)
apples success came when they innovated new markets
 
i think apple forced microsofts hand
 
iPhone, iPad
@rfusca oh, they definitely did
competition is always a good thing
 
oh, for sure
 
the point was that Apple didn't really gain anything in an established market
Pentax would have to innovate into a new market (or a smaller market...i.e. medium format) to really make gains
 
1:55 AM
you just hate to see the guy who forced the innovation still end up with nothing ;)
 
and they could very well make some huge gains with their $10k MF
 
perhaps
 
@rfusca me too...guess thats the business value of brand lockin ;P
 
yup
 
apple has been very successful though
even though their PC sector is still tiny
 
1:57 AM
thats true
 
their market capitalization has been greater than microsofts for about two years now
thats a HUGE improvement
to go from something like an 80 billion cap to a 300 billion cap is no small feat
 
but their niche market for portable music and such became not so niche ;)
 
right...they innovated a new market
I'm not sure if there are new markets to innovate with digital cameras
or new submarkets
but thats where all the growth potential would be
 
closest thing to that is probably the recent four thirds market, i think
 
yeah
or the slightly larger mirrorless interchangable lens cameras
I don't think you have to be bound to the four/thirds format
but that market has a lot of potential
 
2:00 AM
the 'pro level pics in a consumer level package'?
 
I wonder if it would be possible to make a full-frame EVIL
I guess it doesn't even need to be branded "consumer level"
 
whats the market defined as?
 
with electronic sensors, the need for a dual-path in the camera, to support both a viewfinder and the sensor, is not really necessary
 
right
 
I think the 4/3 market pioneered it...but it doesn't really need to stay in that format, nor be marketed as "consumer level" or "bridge"
it could be marketed as entirely professional grade, top of the line, matched with high end glass
 
2:01 AM
i think Nikon is supposed to be coming out with a pro level mirrorless in their next gen
 
it could be a huge growth market, initially entered by the people who can see past all the existing "it has to be DSLR" and gain the benefits of an EVIL-type camera
@rfusca that would be awesome
I rarely ever use my viewfinder
I think the only time I do is when I am photographing birds or active wildlife
but even then, the viewfinder is SO tiny, its barely useful
 
wow, i always use mine....I can't remember the last time I composed on the LCD. I think its a photography type thing
 
if you gave me a viewfinder twice the size in a camera half the size and less than half the weight
it might also be a camera model thing
the 5D has a much larger viewfinder, and it might be a lot easier to use
 
possibly
 
plus, the 5D and 7D have more coverage
 
2:04 AM
the k-5 has a bigger finder too, looking forward to that, 100% and larger
 
nice
thats a really good camera...
 
yup
indeed
 
you might be right about the photography type
for landscape photography
I find the viewfinder entirely useless, and I use live view 100% of the time
 
ya
 
its like having a digital view camera
 
2:06 AM
esp if you're on a tripod
 
I'd love to have a larger sensor, and a MUCH larger LCD screen
but less camera bulk
 
whats the size/res on your lcd?
 
oh, mine is pretty poor
I think its a 200k dot 3" screen
my friends 550D is worlds better
FAR brighter, FAR easier to focus and see details, etc.
his is a 940k dot 3" screen
I think all the current canons have over a million dot 3" or 3.5" screens
 
ya, thats the common right now, the 3" 940k
on nicer cameras
 
yeah
those screens are amazing
 
2:09 AM
my d3100 was a 3" but lower res
 
I know they had 480k-560k on some cameras for a while
well, I intend to hold out until the end of the year
if no 5D III by then, I'll just get the 7D
I want that anyway for the wildlife stuff
 
sure
 
unless rumors solidify and the 5D III IS slated to get the 7D AF system...
meh, waiting is so annoying
 
ya
 
you probably know that better than anyone :D
 
2:12 AM
seriously
its killing me
 
do you have to wait until they sell? or do they give you money up front?
 
i've missed so many good opportunities
money up front
if they buy, they'll buy it all and send a check
or storecredit or whatever
 
oh, I see
 
FINALLY gets to them tomorrow
 
do you know what their buy criteria is?
what makes them decide yes/no?
 
2:15 AM
well they WILL buy, its just how much
 
ah
 
ya
@jrista i'm' surprised you wouldn't like something like the Sony NEX series. APS-C sized sensor, but no viewfinder and big lcd scren
 
I am not sure what to think about Sony. I've tried quite a few of their cameras in local stores....they all feel really cheaply built. Almost everything seems to be plastic, focusing rings don't feel anywhere close to as smooth as canon's do, buttons feel cheap, etc.
I hear a lot of people LOVE their sony's....but I can't ever really get a clear answer as to why.
 
interesting
 
It may just be that I have never actually seen or handled a "professional grade" sony lens or camera body.
 
2:29 AM
sure
 
well, lens...I'm pretty sure I've handled one of their pro bodies
 
I don't really have a local store to try stuff out in :(
 
thats a bummer
we have several different major stores out here, and a few smaller one-off camera/print shops
they are all ridiculously expensive...full price for just about everything
it amazes me that they sell anything
like the 100-400mm canon lens
the local "Mike's Camera" has it and sells it for $1899
I purchased mine online for $1600
$300 is a LOT of money
 
wow
big difference
 
hmm
related to that tripod discussion earlier
I have a cheaper tripod, about $100 or so
I've had it for around 2 years, and the thing is starting to fall apart
little white pieces of something are falling off it from somewhere
and a ring around the center shaft has come loose from where it is supposed to be locked in place
 
2:37 AM
that sucks
 
I guess one can't expect $100 to go very far these days
 
ya, its a shame
 
 
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4:08 AM
holy hell
I think this is mount bromo:
but it doesn't even look like a photograph
it looks like a painting or maybe a 3D render
 
4:28 AM
@jrista craziness
 
4:51 AM
@dpollitt hahahaha
@jrista yeah, $300 is a nice older prime
 
lol evan as he reads through chat history lol
 
5:37 AM
haha
I definitely try to support the local camera store though, and will buy there if it's not too much of a price difference
actually just about everything new I've bought recently was bought locally
I just want to point out the ridiculous fact that if you scanned a 4x5 on a 9600dpi scanner, you'd have a 1.8 gigapixel image.
 
6:11 AM
@EvanKrall lol
 
 
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1:08 PM
I sort of liked that when I saw the pattern on the ground. Any thoughts?
 
 
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2:51 PM
wow...reading the pentax K-5 forum is a little scary. there's a good bit of QC issues
sensor stains (which have been resolved), buttons falling off, and a random shutter freakout situation that doesn't seem to be resolved yet
not just one random person either
 
3:15 PM
@JohnCavan - Had you had any issues with either of yours?
 
 
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4:16 PM
@sean - aren't you a pentax shooter?
 
4:32 PM
@mattdm - I've started to wonder if you have some sort of autotag/edit script that run for your user. I think you missed out in life from not being a newspaper editor
 
@rfusca I did that in high school and enjoyed it. :)
 
no surprise there
@mattdm hmmm my wife is writting a book, maybe i should just send it to you...want to make a few bucks editing a book? lol
woot! camera FINALLY delievered to adorama
 
I've done technical editing for Linux books before. It's a lot of work and doesn't nearly pay for the time I put into it. :)
 
lol i bet
what distro do you use curently?
 
I'm a semi-active participant in the Fedora project — that's what I use on my desktop systems. For work, it's CentOS/RHEL. We might switch to Scientific Linux, another Red Hat derivative.
 
4:54 PM
ya, i've heard there's a big movement from centos to scientific
i used centos on several work boxes
a few years ago
 
@DLambert I like it, except for the big watermark!
 
5:16 PM
@rfusca - I was an early adopter and so I had the sensor stain issue on my first K-5, but Pentax just replaced it which gave me back a lot of shutter actuations... Other than that, both of the cameras have been great.
 
@JohnCavan mmmkay, good to hear
only two pics for pic of the week so far
 
5:36 PM
@rfusca well, they kind of dropped the ball on the 6.0 release, especially in communication. (still not out yet.)
Huh. @jrista's stops mnemonic answer is almost exactly the same as mine but got 4 upvotes whereas mine got none. I don't care but I'm curious. I bet it's the use of bold. :)
 
@mattdm formatting in general
 
@mattdm The use of bold is a powerful tool that will garner approval from those people who appreciate answers written in a way that lets you get to the point quickly.
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@Sean see, it even gets you stars!!!
 
haha
 
like zippy the pinhead.
 
5:48 PM
@rfusca I am a Pentax shooter. I have the K-x.
 
@Sean like it?
 
@rfusca I do like it quite a lot, but I would caution anyone with past DSLR experience that they may not like the lack of focus points in the viewfinder.
 
ya, that lack-of-feature knocked it off my list
 
If I were buying again, I think I would go with the K-r
but that wasn't out at the time
 
@Sean Really?
 
5:52 PM
@RowlandShaw really, what?
 
@Sean sure
 
Lack of focus points in viewfinder
 
i think he was shocked about the lack of focus..ya
 
@Sean In my day job I work in a very technical environment but have to communicate to very non technical executives everyday. If I didn't use bold and bulleted lists in emails, they would not read a single thing I send to them.
 
@dpollitt i use bold alot :) hehehe
 
5:53 PM
;-0
Seriously I'm terrible at spelling and grammar, so theres that
 
@RowlandShaw Yeah, I don't mind too much since I only use center focus (I have to, really), but when I borrow other DSLRs I realize what I am missing.
 
@Sean ya, i'm looking at a K-5 hopefully, worst case is a K-r
 
i pretty much only use my center focus point, unless I'm shooting action or sports, which isnt often
 
@dpollitt im carzy bda at speling
ditto
 
does imgur rescale full res images?
can i upload 12MP shots?
 
5:57 PM
it never lets me upload full res
 
@rfusca The K-x is a great camera as far as picture quality goes (and user interface quality, too, with one obvious exception)
 
dumb
 
@Sean what lenses do you have?
 
So after our debate yesterday on tripods, i went home to open up to a new issue of "landscape photographer" and a big article about how awesome IS + high ISO is, but we still need tripods for landscapes :-) @jrista will be happy
 
@dpollitt hahahahahaha
thats quite funny
 
5:59 PM
Well, to be honest I thought the reasoning they had behind still using a tripod was pretty lacking, but that was the ultimate determination they had
 
what was there reasoning?
 
it contained very little substance for that claim. Just something along the lines of how it is the best thing to improve a landscape photographers work
they did bring up some good arguments against a tripod though
 
@jrista will certainly enjoy that
 
Comparing what common knowledge was 20 years ago(using a tripod) when all we had was ISO 100 film(that was good) and no image stabilization
Compared to Somewhere between 7-12 stops higher capabilities today, between 4 stop IS and 3-8 stops extra ISO above 100
 
sure
 
6:09 PM
@dpollitt Thanks - you can have yours w/o the watermark if you want.
 
hahah
i know it is a battle, watermarks... i hate 'em, but I love 'em
 
I've just gotten into the habit of marking everything. I do all kinds of photos for my son's Scout troop, and I've seen my photos showing up as Facebook profile pics, etc.
I figure I might as well at least slap my name on 'em.
 
yea
I'm a bigger fan of the watermarks that come as part of the boarder, or have a solid background on the bottom/side or similar, then the text right on top of the images
but obviously we all do it a different way
@rfusca - I have a shot from that 70-200 straight out of the camera at full res for you
 
@dpollitt cool
 
@200mm 1/160th 640iso f/3.2
so stopped down slightly, but not much
not the best shot, but i haven't got around to looking at many of the images yet, so thats what I got :-)
 
6:17 PM
lol k
 
pretty sharp, am i right?
you can see the sewing in the tie
 
ya, not too bad ;)
(for a Canon) ;)
 
its really funny that kacalapy's bring in the most
 
6:32 PM
@rfusca It's by question, of course, and he asked a lot of questions. :)
 
true enough
alot of mine is the result of my overweight people question
@mattdm overall how you liking your new wide angle?
 
@rfusca Loving it. Fits nicely with the other Limited lenses I have.
 
in what way?
 
Fits in my little camera backpack without any need to adjust anything else.
:)
 
what wide angle?
 
6:43 PM
Pentax K-7, DA 15mm, 40mm, 70mm, Lensbaby 2.0, Metz 48 AF-1 flash, collapsible reflector, spare batteries, other random accessories.
 
a prime lens lover
 
@mattdm change the 15mm to like a 100-135'ish and it sounds like what i'd like
 
My previous wide angle lens was a cheap, large 19mm-35mm Tokina. If I wanted to take that, something else had to go. :)
 
no legacy lenses?
 
6:45 PM
@rfusca dpreview.com/news/0912/09120903pentax100mm.asp but you need a bigger backpack
 
@mattdm Looks like Richard Ong is the big 'winner' in that list. :-)
 
@rfusca I have a 50mm f/1.7 and 135mm f/2.4, but I don't usually bring 'em.
 
@mattdm yup, that's what i'd like
 
@JayLancePhotography yeah right? One question, and bam. :)
 
@mattdm i have a large pack
 
6:48 PM
@mattdm And it's your 'favorite' kind of question. :-)
 
@JayLancePhotography yeah. and predictably, there's not really very good answers.
 
@mattdm in general those limited primes are really quite spiffy
 
This really makes me want to know what happens to those 7k visitors brought in by this question. Were they helped? Did they stay?
@rfusca oh yes.
 
@mattdm Who could we get to write the ultimate answer... Hmmmm... [Points at @mattdm]
:-)
 
@JayLancePhotography well, it's "look at the dpreview article that shizam copied stuff from".
but, eh, let's not argue about this. it is boring. :)
 
6:54 PM
haha
 
@mattdm I tried that once. Went over pretty well. Or not...
 
Nice Questions without Nice Answers: data.stackexchange.com/photography/s/1162/…
 
@mattdm Many of those are like, yea "thats a good question" but, quite hard to answer well
so technically not a "nice question" in the strict SE sense
 
@dpollitt i agree
 
how GOOD is a monopod... ya
 
7:02 PM
Yeah but if we are awesome, we should answer those. :)
 
ha, maybe you matt!
I'm not so awesome
 
Popular questions without nice answers: data.stackexchange.com/photography/s/1217/…
A lot of those are off-topic — they're how-to-use-photoshop.
But there's some good questions in there.
And since they're generating a lot of traffic, having good answers will be a good ROI.
 
completely agree there
 
wait a second, you guys get a return!? where is my cut?!
 
@dpollitt as @Jay has told me before...your check is in the mail
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7:07 PM
@rfusca Indeed it is. :-) But the warm-fuzzy feeling you get from helping someone out? You can have that right now...
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And the ones that are bringing in lots of users without providing good answers (because it's off-topic, or not a good stack-exchange fit, or whatever), should be closed, because we're not helping people by tricking them into visiting the site.
 
@JayLancePhotography too true
 
The internet... such a waste of my invaluable time
my favorite of the week was the guy asking for a camera under $50
then the response of "disposable" lol
 
7:26 PM
@dpollitt lol ya
 
hey guys, i'm looking for a car under $500, what should I get?
well, start with craigslist, your city dump, then move onto just flat out stealing
 
7:41 PM
@dpollitt i'm not gonna fault the guy for asking, ya never know
 
@dpollitt Wait on the corner for one to fall off a truck?
 
7:56 PM
@mattdm: What exactly were you thinking that PS5 layers question could be merged with?
 
8:09 PM
@jrista Did I say merged? I think maybe I meant migrate. :)
Your answer to that seems perfectly fine, but it got no votes (or an answer checkbox)
 
yeah
well, it wasn't the answer the asker wanted
so he ignored it
it WOULD work
but it doesn't work exactly how the gimp version works
and to some people, that's sacrilege
if it aint 100% perfect and identical it aint even close to good enough
 
The fact that it attracted no other up-votes is what brought it to my attention.
 
hmmm i'm making homemade fruit rollups....wonder how they'll turn out
the kiddo has been rebelling against fruit and veggies, so i'm trying alternate means
 
8:41 PM
the vote lockin really screws the weekly picture vote
I think I'm going to have to wait until the end of the week to vote now, rather than voting early on
 
@jrista is there a change to the voting limits?
 
Yuck. All the 'Featured Image' candidates this week suck... So far...
 
@JayLancePhotography thank heavens, i didn't want to be the one to say it first
 
Lol. You know me... Never afraid to be the jerk. :-)
 
If there are any virtues to internet discussions, then the possibility to have brutal honesty is one of them. It is just all-to-often misused.
 
8:53 PM
@JayLancePhotography lol
 
9:04 PM
(Watching a balloon float away. You kind of have to see the large version.)
 
9:30 PM
@mattdm thats kind of sad
 
@rfusca yeah I know I totally should have gotten the picture a few seconds earlier when the balloon was larger. What a tragedy!
 
tsk tsk tsk, too slow ;)
 
9:45 PM
@JayLancePhotography threw my hat in the ring, certaintly not my best work. But most of my stuff is either A. really similar to something else thats already been done, B. In a ratio that doesn't crop well to that, or C. Just sucks :D
i mean heck, by just uploading, i'm tied for first lol
 
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