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12:09 AM
 
Anybody any good at bird ID?
 
I can give it a shot
I'm pretty good with finches, blackbirds, robins, doves/pigeons, and raptors
 
12:26 AM
What do you make of that? Location is central Ohio. Doesn't look like the Eastern Bluebird we normally see around here.
I saw a couple photos of a Mountain Bluebird that looked close, but I'm not sure that's right.
 
hmm
almost looks like some kind of jay
 
Not a Bluejay. Way too small, and no crest. It's just slightly larger than a sparrow. Very similar in size to an Eastern Bluebird, in fact. Finch-sized, I guess.
 
not necessarily a bluejay
there are a variety of jays
 
yeah definitely not a bluejay
 
it doesn't have a finch beak
flycatcher of some kind maybe?
 
12:31 AM
while we're at it,
 
Fill flash helped w/ this a lot.
 
yeah, can you get a good profile shot?
 
not certain
but those warblers do live in ohio during summer
 
12:34 AM
yours definitely has brighter blue
and that black around its eyes
 
@jrista Every shot I've got is either back or back 3/4.
 
does its tail fan out?
er, split when fanned out?
 
ok, this makes me want to go find some birds in golden gate park
 
I think its a swallow, actually
based on its tail feathers from the first shot
ah! yup
 
That first shot shows the V in the tail as well as any I've got.
 
12:37 AM
its a tree swallow
 
@jrista Bingo -- that's him.
Nice job!
 
they live everywhere on our continent
I don't see many swallows here
 
I don't think I've ever seen one of those before
 
we have a crapload of finches, robins (fuckin birds wake me up every morning at 3:15am), and a variety of blackbirds
 
Cool. Yeah, this was a meadow not far from water, so that works pretty well.
 
12:39 AM
there are also a few pairs of mourning doves that live in my neighborhood as well, but they are far less common than the others
 
Yeah, plenty of RW Blackbirds in that same meadow.
 
if I head out into any of the parks around here, we get a bunch of egrets and herons
@DLambert yup, redwinged blackbirds are everywhere
we have a lot of grackles too...in a couple weeks the damn grackles will be fighting and mating up a storm
the variety of finches is unbelievable
the birds I caught yesterday were finches
zebra finch or somethig
we have house finches, goldfinches, and a couple really tiny varieties
rosy finches, cassins finch, grosbeaks
damn, lot of friggin finches
 
Saw a couple of American Goldfinches, but too far away for a photo.
 
those ones are pretty tough
they are always on the move
tiny too, so they are always buried inside a tree somewhere
 
Yeah, they're quick.
Gotta step out for a bit.
 
12:46 AM
k
 
 
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2:26 AM
good sunset, bad camera
 
2:56 AM
aww
now I don't want to post my sunset
meh
ISO 800
I forgot to change it
 
?
post!
 
still importing
I tried a time-lapse after a few stills
 
lol k
 
I'd still be out there...but I filled up my card
I think I have a previous time lapse on here that I forgot to import
8 gigs of RAW ... -.-
 
nice
 
3:03 AM
Rough cut:
I got set up a little late
about 15 seconds before, the under side of the clouds were lit up in an amazing way :(
This is from a little earlier...still not what originally made me jump in my car and go snap a shot..
 
ya, i hate it when that happens
 
3:19 AM
Thats what you get for waiting about 20 minutes after sunset :)
 
3:37 AM
this is probably my best sunset pic:
more like a dusk pic, but still\
I loved the colors
the colors were actually better the next night, but I wasn't able to hold my camera quite as still
 
 
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4:55 AM
I wonder why a scanner would bother interpolating images
I mean, if I wanted to do interpolation, I can damn well do it in software
I wonder if they added that feature just so people would realize that scanners can produce images larger than their base resolution
thus calling more attention to the resolution of their scanner
 
perhaps
two freaking weeks of chasing down this schematic and it comes down to the fact that the freaking eagle part had the tranistor legs in a different order...arg
 
hahaha
I've run into that before
 
ya
i already etched another wrong board and drilled it...at least i haven't soldered it yet
 
how wrong is the order?
like EBC instead of ECB, or just backwards
 
@EvanKrall i accidentally put in a BCE and it should be EBC i think
 
5:12 AM
@EvanKrall nice moon
 
thanks
 
@EvanKrall I have the 8800F, and I thought it did optical 9600dpi scans of film
 
I think the 8800F does 9600x4800
Maximum resolutions: Optical: 4800 x 9600 dpi; interpolated: 19,200 x 19,200 dpi
I wonder how many people here do large format photography
 
5:28 AM
Jay hasn't been answering much, I hope we haven't lost him to any recent drama
you know, i've been thinking, I bet focus trapping would work well for self portraits
you might get the focus on the nose, but that should be good enough
@jrista - you want to lock the weekly photo and all that now?
 
@rfusca Jay just wants us all to answer questions and stop any sideline bickering.
@rfusca Done.
 
@jrista ya
 
 
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10:01 AM
@jrista Well, that's definitely true- the bitching and moaning has really gotten old... However, a part of it is also that its no longer the 'off season' for the retail photography side of my business... Which means that I don't have quite as much time as I may have had even a month ago- I'm booked for 10+ sessions a week- not including weddings- for the next 6 weeks. Not that I'm complaining...
Not that I'm pointing fingers on the 'bitching and moaning' without including myself in all that. I know I've rolled a few grenades into chat over the past couple of months. :-)
 
10:17 AM
I guess I'm at the point where I wish us 'regulars' could just spend less time over-analyzing every damn question that gets posted and either:
1. Just answer what comes in to the best of our ability with the information given if we've got something helpful to contribute and even if the information given in the question isn't as complete or well-phrased as they might be if we were writing them, or
2. Don't answer the questions that we don't like (for whatever reason), choosing to simply move along quietly, resisting the temptation to add a bunch of crap in the comments, and instead just letting other photo-SE users tackle them, or let the questions just "hang out" for a few days to see what happens... without all the stupid crap that seems to have been increasingly going on in the comments over the last month or two...
4
 
 
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2:48 PM
@JayLancePhotography Some of that is surely my fault. I first started doing it in older questions which weren't getting answers (or good answers) after a long time. I think that's reasonable and appropriate. But then it kind of started creeping up, and I probably also set a bad example.
On another note.... things that make me want to get a micro 43rds camera: dpreview.com/news/1106/11061305panasonicleica25mm.asp#press
 
@JayLancePhotography ya, i was a little guilty on that on the paris question I suppose
@mattdm why does that?
 
@rfusca High-end normal lens. Pretty. Little.
I'm not gonna switch, but the availability of things like that adds to the appeal of the system for me for sure.
 
@mattdm don't the Limited primes fit that bill for pentax?
 
3:05 PM
@rfusca Oh certainly. And I've got a bunch of them. :)
 
lol
 
It's just the kind of thing I like, so I keep wanting more. :)
 
but...?
oh, ok
lol
i think'd i'd look at the 4/3rds if A. it wasn't brand new and B. it had an optical viewfinder
even though I doubt in the next 5-10 years we'll still be doing optical finders in general
dpreview's review of the ep2 says two things I wouldn't like as well
Some highlight clipping (and *poor dynamic range at ISO 100*)
No built-in flash (and the *optional flash is expensive and pretty basic*)
but its not a camera targeted at me i don't think
but interestingly there is an attachable electronic viewfinder
with no flash, lightweight, and a lil' extra crop factor - do wildlife shooters like these?
 
3:48 PM
@JayLancePhotography i'm glad business is good!
it certainly takes priority over this
@Jin - Don't forget to switch the header when you get the chance.
 
@rfusca I sure hope the quality of digital viewfinders improves if that's the case. When I bought my Panasonic FZ28, I just about puked the first time I tried the EVF. I really missed the optical VF in my Canon G3, even if it was obscured when the lens extended.
 
@DLambert ya
hope so too
 
I'm sure the bar must be rising pretty rapidly, given all the EVIL cameras coming on the market the last few years.
 
it'll catch up and get to 98-99% of the optical and then the ability to dynamically overlay stuff in the viewfinder will start to win out over that last 2%
thats my prediction
 
There's no question there's all sorts of flexibility there, so I can see that at some point. As soon as it shows up in the Canon 1D, I'll be sold. ;-)
 
4:02 PM
lol
well, off to lunch
 
Later.
 
4:49 PM
@rfusca Yeah, me too. :-) It's an uptick from last year, so... it doesn't make a trend or anything, but it is a step in the right direction... Especially since we've had a late spring around here so it was a rather slow start to the year for the retail side of things. I find myself still reading every question that comes in... But often it is 8 to 10 hours after it's been posted and some good answers have already been collected... End result = I'm answering less.
I keep saying to myself that I need to "set the example" and post some more questions just to feel like I'm participating (lord knows that seems to be my windmill that I try and flog you guys with here in chat!), but thus far I haven't had the time/wherewithal to actually get it done. We'll see if I can actually get to playing some Jeopardy this week...
 
Jin
bah i messed up on updating the new header image this morning. didn't notice the file didn't have an extension... so it wasn't pushed with the new build. i have since corrected it on dev, will be deployed whenever the next build is
 
@JayLancePhotography Sure I can appreciate that
@Jin no worries, not my photo ;)
 
Jin
but it should be pushed today, may be this evening (est).
 
@JayLancePhotography I wish i knew more of the 'artsy' questions to ask
@Jin cool
 
Jin
monday is a high traffic day, so we typically don't make production builds during the day..
 
4:57 PM
sure, that makes sense
 
ah, there's @Jin
was wondering if you had seen the latest photo winner
 
5:15 PM
Based on comments/questions/answers - it seems like we're more Pentax heavy than their market share...its just a feeling though. Wonder why
 
@JayLancePhotography I'm still waiting to hear about miksang. :)
 
lol
eek, we're creeping up on the number of unanswered questions
 
5:46 PM
interesting
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Q: Meaning of the position of hands

rochemIn photography as well as in paintings (especially those from the middle ages, where a lot of symbols were used), the position of the hands often means a lot ; does anyone know a list of all those meanings, or could you maybe give a few of them? Thanks!

do photographers really position hands in a secretly symbolic way?
 
6:06 PM
I'm sure some do. I find it a little....odd, I guess...but there seem to be quite a few artists in many medium who have hand fetishes...or maybe not quite fetish...but an undue attraction to them.
@rfusca Based on....what? Tagging?
 
@jrista on reading stuff like "on my pentax" and stuff...its more a feeling than actual numbers. I thought that before I even thought about switching.
like I see that way more than "on my Sony" and they're larger
 
@mattdm That makes two of us! :-) I guess the question will stay open until either I get around to reading the book, or someone else provides a solid answer...
 
@JayLancePhotography enjoying the busy season?
 
@rfusca I enjoy working... But I'd be lying if I didn't also say that I enjoy the freedom that the 'off-season' affords me. :-)
 
@JayLancePhotography sure
 
6:11 PM
I do a whole lot less personal photography and filmmaking between June and September. :-)
 
why is summer so busy? I would have thought more in the spring
but, i guess you're further north, spring is still cold for you
 
@rfusca This is important in Indian/Hindu art. I'm not aware of anything in Western art, but that is probably due to deficiencies in my education.
 
@mattdm ic, that i'd believe
Does a Canon EF lens default to aperture wide open, closed, or neither when taken off the mount?
 
@rfusca Yeah, it doesn't usually warm up around here until late May, early June... Which tends to inform both the Senior portrait market and the wedding market...
 
sure
that makes sense
its scorching hot here already
 
6:23 PM
Whereas we got a 'surprise' snow dusting two weeks ago, and have had weather that other parts of the country would consider 'April Showers' for the last week... :-)
I tend to have to 'weave' my photo sessions around the weather in June...
"We'll have a break in the clouds between 3 and 4pm, so why don't you show up at the park at 2:45 and we'll get some pictures done!"
May/June weddings can be... Exciting.
I always bring my camera's rain gear...
 
@JayLancePhotography of course
 
I'm lucky that I have never had to shoot a wedding in all out rain
that would not be fun
 
i can't imagine having to cover the wide range of situations a pro photog does. Covering a once in a lifetime event is alot of responsibility.
 
if you want to talk about a wide range of situations, how about this - on saturday an Elvis impersonator showed up at the wedding as a "surprise" for the bride. I found it very odd, but it was entertaining anyways
 
lol AWESOME
how'd the wedding go? how was the lens?
 
6:29 PM
It went well
here is a shot with the telescope that I liked
70-200mm 2.8 IS mk2 that is
brb, feel free to comment...
 
not trying to be critical...but is that in focus?
maybe its just the contrast throwing me off
I like the shot though
like the bridge in the background
@JayLancePhotography What kind of rain gear do you have? Is the 5d II sealed?
 
7:08 PM
@rfusca yea it is in perfect focus :-)
 
@dpollitt ok, must just be something throwing it off for me
 
yea, i'll tell you what threw you off
 
?
 
It was uploaded to facebook, then I took a screenshot of the facebook mobile site on my iPhone, emailed that to myself, then uploaded it to the site here ;-)
 
oOOOooooOOOO
 
7:12 PM
I'm at work right now and don't have access to any other version of it.
 
:-P
that makes sense
i was like...wow...dpollitt sucks at focus or that is a really really soft lens
makes much more sense now
 
Just look at the thumbnail here, if you look at the full res it looks like crap because of the facebook mobile screenshotting
 
sure, of course
@dpollitt good to know you're not that bad ;)
 
haha, here, maybe this is better
this is from facebook too, but not mobile
 
definitely a bit sharper
 
7:16 PM
facebook pretty much destroys images
 
so true
 
that one isnt the 70-200, its a 10-22mm
 
ya, i was wondering
 
i still can't decide if i even like that one
but 'eh its ok
 
ya, its ok
 
7:18 PM
i almost cried when i had to return my $2600 rental lens today
 
hahaha
from borrowlenses or lensrental or local?
 
local
i use lensrentals a lot though
 
ic
we got no local places around here
 
But if I get it locally I don't have to pay any shipping fees.
 
one camera shop about 40 minutes away and its a joke
sure
 
7:20 PM
ha
 
they just don't know what they're talking about...its so wierd. Like i went in one day, and mentioned something about 'stopping down to make it a little sharper' and you'd have thought I was speaking Latin
haven't been back since
 
ha
I've never spent much time in photo stores
Back when I used film I spent some, but since then, I only use them when I can't get something online
 
sure
@dpollitt i mean these days, what CAN'T you get online
about the only time i buy ANYTHING brick and motar is when the shipping cost is too high
 
When I only have a few hours till a shoot :-)
We don't have amazon same day shipping here, yet
When we do, then that gap will narrow
 
Where are you?
When you say same day...like order in the morning, get it by the evening?
 
7:29 PM
correct
Minneapolis,MN
 
wow, i wasn't aware they did that at all. But indeed they do.
 
yea I can't wait for Minneapolis to have it added
I already use the 1 day shipping option almost every week
 
sure
it'll be a long, long time before Little Rock ends up there..if ever
ya, me2. Prime makes 1day affordable
 
@mattdm I'm still reading about it, and I figured I should try it before I write about it. I have had so little time to try it though.
 
@jrista you're reading about miksang?
 
7:33 PM
yeah
I've read whats on the internet
I don't have the book, but I've been thinking about getting it
It sounds a bit mystical and stuff at first
but maybe there is something to it
 
@jrista in what way?
 
how to take a horizonal photo with a tripod?
 
?
 
any crappy tripod that is made for both video and photos can do that
 
not always effectively
 
7:44 PM
effectively?
I dont get it
 
it depends on how large and what lens, so you don't end up photographing the tripod legs themselves
 
If i had a sheet of paper on the ground, right between two tripod legs, I could easily take a shot of it
 
sure, what if you had a person
 
dont use a tripod
you are saying some tripods float? hover? what is the option?
 
hang from the ceiling?
 
7:45 PM
get yourself elevated
 
i see
yes you could use that
i guess i would want to hear the use case
 
apparently its whatever he's doing....he was saying he's already tried just shooting down and was getting tripod leg in his picture
 
zoom and or crop
 
if you can, depends on the lens and size of the object...
there's definitely a use case for that tripod if you're not talking the floor, but a book on a table or something
 
7:48 PM
you are inferring a lot
he didnt say anything about getting legs in his picture
"How can I take horizontal photos where the object is lying flat on the floor? Do you know any stands/tripods which allow to point the camera straight downwards?"
 
I don't think i am
@dpollitt in a comment " . My problem with the approach is that I have too much leg on my photo."
 
ah, i havent' refreshed in a while
Yea his original question is so vague
if he wants to do this cheaply, and he isnt a pro, this seems like it should be quite a bit more simple then buying new equipment
or maybe buy a gorilla pod thing and attach it to a chair?
 
@dpollitt if there's one thing we've figured out on this site is that vague is a very vague term ;) Its vague to one person, clear to another
@dpollitt If the guy has a cheapo tripod in general, a 100-200 dollar tripod is a great investment for ALOT of photogs
 
i disagree
DSLR + IS, no tripod needed unless you like to shoot the night sky
f/8 + ISO 1600..
 
disagree about?
 
7:54 PM
or shoot macro, or want really sharp landscapes...or about a billion other good reasons for a tripod
 
That an expensive(100-200$USD) is a great investment for a lot of photographers
i disagree you need a tripod to get sharp landscapes
 
as far as tripods go, 100-200 isn't expensive
 
that is why i said expensive(then price in quotes), because i was referring to that price
 
we'll have to agree to disagree here
i've had a cheap one, and a nice one...and it makes a big difference to me
in more than just the night sky
if not a 'nice' one, this one is certainly better than those cheap walmart things
$40
 
please comment after you browse...
obviously he is an idiot by some accounts, but...
 
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