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10:00 PM

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still not convinced she isn't a dude.

My other account is a 'girl'.

how do you think im so successful

@ewwhite I didn't say there weren't any pictures of girls on the internet (hell, that's at least half of it), just that there aren't any actual girls on it. :p

You know what would be really cool? Not playing into the stereotype that male sysadmins get weird whenever there is a female sysadmin around. Also, the fact that it's in an internet chat makes it 100x creepier

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Katherine Villyard

Yanno, back in 1993 people were telling me there were no girls on the internet and I was clearly a dude.

10:01 PM

@MDMarra What's wrong with backing up end user devices? (I mean, if you can, and it's not too big a drain on your resources.) Sure, there are better ways for most cases, but it's not always the case.

Katherine Villyard

@MDMarra I could swear copiously and talk about beer if it helps. ;)

@MDMarra Hey, you guys didn't have to see the real effects of your creepiness on Ethabelle when she was here.

@HopelessN00b Why would you even need to with a proper infrastructure?

@MDMarra Because executives.

@MDMarra proper, humph.

10:02 PM

(Or at least, has been the actual reason I've seen.)

The firm I'm working at today needs a backup solution for 35 MacBooks.

which all have Vagrant and VirtualBox instances on them.

@ewwhite Oh boy

@HopelessN00b Set them up with document sync to SharePoint (using SkyDrive Pro), set them up with roaming profiles and document redirection with offline files for everything else.

After that - local device doesn't matter

@ewwhite I love it when you visit chat. I'm never sure if what you'll say next is gonna make me want to laugh or cry, but I always end up feeling better after it's been said.

@ewwhite Buy 35 time capsules.

10:05 PM

@MDMarra Yeah, that would be the "better ways for most cases," but what about the external hard drive of personal data the company owner/CEO wants backed up, but refuses to put "on the company network?" Can't SharePoint or folder-redirect that. So it may be a small number of limited use-cases, but there are good reasons for backing up (some) client devices, yes.

My current customer sucks with having their act together, but on the plus side I don't have any work to do tomorrow - so that's cool

@MDMarra Nope... they tried. But Virtualbox ruined that.

So the solution will be a site license for CarbonCopyCloner (rsync) to a Linux server. $600 for the site.

@HopelessN00b the GIS community is HUGE - just the Postgres GIS community is many thousands of users.

@HopelessN00b Most places that I've worked at/for/with have executives that aren't shitholes

Well, lucky you. :p

10:09 PM

@KatherineVillyard You're in the South... how's the IT market there?

We don't have many people in SF chat representing your region.

Katherine Villyard

Atlanta is pretty good.

Soooo... I guess we might be looking at SharePoint Workflows as a replacement ticketing system. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Katherine Villyard

I get a lot of pings off LinkedIn. Heh. Which I forward to people who are actually looking. ;)

Or should be. ;)

@kce You should feel bad

@KatherineVillyard I have one client in Atlanta, and it's tricky... I can't find good help for them, and I try to limit my visits :)

10:10 PM

@kce are you a Windows Shop with System Center licensing?

They've been the subject of a few of my SF chatroom tales.

Depends on what kind of ticketing system you want @kce -- all the ones I looked at when we were looking for a new helldesk system and my director was going through his "SharePoint All The Things" phase were strictly at the level of "Babies first helpdesk".

@voretaq7 Yeah, I see that, and it surprised me. I hadn't ever heard the term Geographic Information Systems until today, and I learn that not only does it mean "map," but thousands of people are interested in discussing them! There really is a place on the internet for absolutely everybody.

@HopelessN00b - I actually bothered to answer that question instead of VTCing it with you. Only because I think the OP has nowhere else to turn on SE.

Katherine Villyard

@ewwhite Really? Our last SQL Saturday was bigger than Silicon Valley.

10:11 PM

but I did upvote your comment...:)

@Iain and things == crap is demonstrably false by the sheer volume of on-topic stuff I've been kicking out of the close queue

@MDMarra - That's my initial reaction but I'm trying to foster a positive mental attitude. We have licenses for SCCM but not System Center as a whole.

@HopelessN00b two of the places I used to work for were working big time on GIS stuff.

Katherine Villyard

We also have a lot of user groups, colleges, and also things like Turner/CNN/etc.

@kce System Center is licensed as a single product (and includes SQL Server licenses) since 2012 edition.

Katherine Villyard

10:11 PM

Georgia Tech.

@voretaq7 I don't go there - too many audits

@RobM - That's where we're at but we're kind of going through a SharePoint all the Things phase.

@TheCleaner Yeah, I think I ran through my internal allotment of sympathy answers around 12 hours ago. :)

Katherine Villyard

Also, we don't have much winter, which is a big plus for me because cold sucks.

@KatherineVillyard interesting... so are you on the consulting side?

10:12 PM

@kce So, if you have SCCM 2012, you have access (for free) to System Center Service Manager, which is a proper ticketing system. And the portal for it integrates with SharePoint so you can embed it in an existing site if you have such a desire

@MDMarra - Hmm. We're on SCCM 2012 but we just went through looking at SCOM at our VAR quoted us for System Center.

@Magellan alright. other weekends might work also.

@HopelessN00b it means a bit more then just map. It often means map linked to big databases.

@kce Then your VAR is fucking you unless you don't have enough proc licenses

@kce if someone just wants a list of calls that come in rather than having things fall off someone's office whiteboard then it can do that.

But seriously, sharepoint helpdesk? Don't. Just don't. Shoot yourself in the face now. It'll hurt less and cut out the middleman.

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Katherine Villyard

10:13 PM

@ewwhite No, I work for a small company. But I've done small company, large company, academia...

@ewwhite ...startup back in the day...

@RobM LOL!

@Zoredache Yeah, I was being a bit glib/tongue-in-cheek about it. If it was just maps, it would be cartography.SE. Wait, is there a cartography.SE? That seems like a thing we'd have by now.

mind you, our 'sharepoint all the things' director was the same director that wanted to explain exchange server with an access front-end on everyone's desks all writing to a SQL backend because "It's more efficient". So that kinda skews things...

@RobM I think using Sharepoint for a helpdesk is a great idea. Think of how much stuff IT would never even know needed fixing!

@kce read through this - make sure your VAR isn't a sketchy fuck (warning, direct PDF link) google.com/…

You might think I'm joking about access for email, but I'm not.

10:15 PM

@RobM Truth. We use the SharePoint Workflow ~~bug~~ feature for our change controls, and some other process, and it actually is worse than being shot in the face.

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@kce if you have enough System Center 2012 processor licenses to cover your hypervisors you can install any of the products in your guests and only have to worry about the CALs

@TheCleaner yep. Actually I spent most of my morning demoing a new sharepoint project to our helpdesk system. We've finally created a student intranet that doesn't look like it was designed by a deranged lunatic with serious eyesight issues.

@kce Sounds like you need to skip that and come work with me, ~~we have no ticket system~~ it's awesome!

SC 2012 even includes SQL Server2012 (R2) standard licensing for use strictly with System Center products (though I encourage Service Manager customers to use Enterprise for the data warehouse since it leverages SSAS)

@RobM nice. All on O365? I've not delved far enough into ours to determine what all it doesn't support compared to on-prem.

10:17 PM

@MDMarra - I think that's the catch. We have enough licenses to cover one hypervisor for SCCM but to license SCOM we would need to purchases licenses for the rest of them.

@kce Not if you want to run SCOM on the same physical host as SCCM

Unless your VAR sold you standard and not datacenter which is ridiculous

@TheCleaner it's local for now but we're going to move it to O365. I'm not entirely sure how this happened, or why, but it has.

@RobM - I'm not thrilled about the prospect but I suspect it'll never happen. Lots of stuff gets talked about but unless its made a priority by the boss it'll never happen.

Then we'll use our local sharepoint farm for our staff intranet, get 70% of the way through implementing that locally and decide to move it to the cloud one morning at random too.

@kce hope not!

@kce basically, what everyone does now is just license 4 System Center Datacenter licenses and you can just install all of it on any server a 4 hoswt cluster and then they call it a day

10:20 PM

@MDMarra - That makes sense to me. Say I have a cluster of four ESXi server and SCCM is hosted on a VM that lives there. We need SC licenses for all the ESXi hosts.

system centre is a nice product.

I can barely cope with the complexity of SCCM. I have a really hard time committing to the rest of the software suite.

We quite like SCVMM and DPM

@kce Yes - so you should be licensing Datacenter anyway - which will entitle you to run any other System Center product in that same cluster

System Center Orchestrator is the hidden gem of that product line

Neither of them are quite as good as the products we were using beforehand, but they're a lot cheaper, for education at least, and right now money at work is so scarce, they're holding onto it so tightly the queen's head on the back starts crying.

10:22 PM

@kce exactly.. this is why I say to scrap it all and run Linux and Mac... and the Cloud

Then either were out of compliance and flying under the radar, our VAR was wrong, or they sold us a Standard license.

But you're right, none of it is for the faint of heart - but you're obviosuly not faint of heart if you're going whole hog into sharepoint!

@ewwhite - I don't make technical decisions here. I'm just an implementations monkey.

@kce I'm betting you have a standard license which is very limiting

@MDMarra better licenses cost money!

10:23 PM

@ewwhite You know what else costs money? Nazis.

@ewwhite But it's negligible in the big picture

@MDMarra - That's my thought as well. I got to go back and dig through whatever our VAR sent us.

Service Manager would probably be a good move. Track-IT is showing its age...

@MDMarra I don't worry about the license costs... I'm concerned about the talent/skill needed to navigate these licensed products.

If you pay $3000 for 4 standard licenses for use with one of the products or $6000 for datacenter licenses to entitle you for unlimited use enabling all of the products...why wouldnt you pay more

and SharePoint Workflows for a My First Help desk is like bring a tactical nuke to a knife fight that may or may not explode during transport. Also it might randomly turn into kittens.

10:25 PM

@ewwhite Thats part of it. If you cant afford the license you cant afford the people to do it right

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Think about VMware... I'm pretty decent at it... but most VMware installs are jacked-up

Katherine Villyard

@MDMarra Amen, brother.

@MDMarra - Appreciate your Microsoft wisdom there.

And I end up fixing a lot of them...

That's a fair point, the licence costs for most MS products are cheaper than the people you need to hire to get proper value from them.

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10:26 PM

I don't think many organizations value expertise...

@kce good luck!

and then you have the conflict between developing internal staff and leaning on @MDMarra's or consultants...

Katherine Villyard

@ewwhite You need to look for that in a potential employer, yes.

@ewwhite most people truly don't understand the difference between what we're doing when they see us whaling away on a keyboard and what they do when they type out their own letters with Word.

@KatherineVillyard Heh, I'm not looking for work :) I gave that up months ago.

10:27 PM

@ewwhite - If I post a question about the ten most commonly broken pieces in VMware installs, do you think that'd be VTC-Too Broad or a decent Subjective Good?

(I miss community wiki questions)

@ewwhite How's that treating you by the way? Are you happy with it?

@kce It's tricky, as the standards have changed.

@ewwhite - Standards for VMware or for SF Subjective Good questions?

@ewwhite most of my customers are in the billion net yearly revenue area. Most have good on-staff expertise, but use my company as a jump start for big System Center or Hyper-V initiatives . This stuff isnt for your produce companies where the IT staff are really HR clerks with Domain Admin passwords :)

@Tanner seems to be going well... I only have a couple of problem-clients... I'm still doing some finance and some healthcare... I have much more free time.

10:29 PM

very cool.

@MDMarra I buy consultancy for some of the stuff we do because I have time to manage a deployment but not do the hands-on bit of the deployment and manage it too.

@MDMarra Psssh.

Katherine Villyard

Cool.

So I get having people in to jump-start a roll out

Katherine Villyard

That's one of the criteria I picked my current gig on. It's a small software company where the president is a developer and values IT peeps.

10:30 PM

I'm on a smaller scale... helping existing IT teams, but in areas where they don't have expertise.

@ewwhite you'll only be able leverage my expertise for so much longer! I'm being moved into more of a full-time architect role and moving away from actual engineering/implementation

I'm gonna lose my chops in no-time and only be able to regurgitate marketing!

:)

Katherine Villyard

:)

@KatherineVillyard But there's a point where I wanted to get away from making money for other people :)

@KatherineVillyard I'm looking for a new job at the moment and one of the things I'll be looking for is people who understand, or at least respect their IT people.

Katherine Villyard

@ewwhite There is that. :D

10:32 PM

@RobM you have to go somewhere where it's the line of business... or critical to the business.

Katherine Villyard

@RobM Yes. Good luck!

@MDMarra before you know it, you'll be signing off on .local domains!

@ewwhite yes, absolutely @KatherineVillyard thanks - these folks have heard me moan about my current job enough times. At the very least its time for some new stories...

@MDMarra That's okay... Your atrophied skill set is still enough to keep my clients afloat.

<3 your clients

@RobM noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I just won't know how to promote a DC in Server 2015! :D

Coffee Time!

10:35 PM

Oh that will always be easy. Via a 20-line powershell script that only works on alternate tuesdays if you're running it on Windows Server Core.

I hope @MarkHenderson didn't explode after the trouble he was having with server core when I first signed in today.

new-addomaincontroller -canIpleasehaveDCPromoback?

Katherine Villyard

At PowerShell Saturday Atlanta, one of the presenters used powershell remoting on his Windows phone to promote a DC. LOL

Although, honestly, New-ADDomainController isn't any worse than a completely unattended DCPromo install

powershell running on his phone? Was his name "tomtom" by any chance?

Katherine Villyard

I don't remember! I could probably find out... ;)

10:37 PM

I think if you can create a new forest from memory using dcpromo syntax in 2008 R2, they award you an MCM in Directory Services :)

@KatherineVillyard thats awesome

it is kinda impressibe

Katherine Villyard

Ashley McGlone

impressive.

Katherine Villyard

blogs.technet.com/b/ashleymcglone/archive/2013/10/26/…

Ah.

Katherine Villyard

10:40 PM

There's video! :D

Video evidence!

@KatherineVillyard I was really hoping it would be tomtom. He keeps claiming his phone can do just about anything on the main site.

http://serverfault.com/users/37059/tomtom

But a serious person doing it for real is better... :)

@HopelessN00b - if that OP on that biztalk question leaves me hanging without even a comment or upvote, I'm deleting my answer and VTC'ing it. That took me time to type... :)

serverfault.com/search?q=user%3A37059+body%3Amobile - thats the query if you want TomTom phone answers

Katherine Villyard

Cool. :)

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A: Minimum hardware requirements for LAMP server

what will be the lowest hardware requirements to get things running? How many horse powers does a car need? Same answer: DEPENDS ON REQUIREMENTS. You dont state any. Which emans likely my mobile phone has too many horsepowers. How much traffic? Waht IO do you need? How much ram do you nee...

> DEPENDS ON REQUIREMENTS. You dont state any. Which emans likely my mobile phone has too many horsepowers

Michael Hampton

10:42 PM

How did you get all those horses into such a small phone?

Katherine Villyard

LOL!

TomTom is the physical manifestation of everything every sysadmin has ever wished that they could say, but held back.

@MichaelHampton who said tomtom's phone was small. He probably carries a DL380 around with him

I'm not sure if he's even real or just an illusion

@MDMarra i've talked to him

Michael Hampton

10:43 PM

Maybe he's someone's sock puppet.

@ewwhite No you havent

He's kinda like everyone on serverfault's crazy relative they keep in the attic.

On his phone?

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A: Choosing a technology for a 20 million visitors / month project

My. Mobile . Phone. Really. 20 million users per month? = 1 million users per day on 20 business days = 125000 visitors per hour on 8 business hours (realize am rounding up significantly to the end number) = 35,78 vistitors per second. Ouch. Not a lot. Ok, a lot for my mobile phone. But dependi...

we're linkedin, too... he was trading using the infra I managed at $job-2

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A: Need hardware specification recommendation for a .NET4 WCF service server

Mobile phone. 16gb, 6xx of it RAM, 1 core, 1ghz. Seriously. This is about the level of need you talk here.

should be downvoted to oblivion

Katherine Villyard

10:45 PM

LOL

Michael Hampton

@MDMarra You could do that on your phone if it was mostly static pages.

not upvoted you bastards!

alright, dinner. Bye, mutants have a good night.

Katherine Villyard

See ya, @MDMarra. Enjoy your noms!

and how in the world did the OP even accept that answer? WTH is wrong with this site!

10:46 PM

@ewwhite don't put any DCs on the public Internet without calling first

Katherine Villyard

@TheCleaner People are suckers for a good laugh.

LOL!

OK, but the OP was asking about server specs to run that SW in the bullet points. I get that TomTOm was being funny, but still.

Katherine Villyard

I know, I know.

ear hair...it pisses me off

Katherine Villyard

I've decided I can't predict which answers people are going to like.

Michael Hampton

10:49 PM

@TheCleaner Today we'd just close it as a dupe of "capacity planning" and move on.

@MichaelHampton :) I like browsing some of the old questions with giant upvotes and thinking "that would get 2 downvotes and be closed in 5 minutes these days".

@RobM I've had a good 7 hours of sleep since then

And I crashed a Cisco 887

So I had other things to focus my rage on

@kce I think you'd have to post the question and answer it yourself in very short order for it to have a chance at survival.

(The NPS was for authenticating with IOS which I got running, but when did the first AnyConnect login, I got a hundred emails from the device with CRASH notices and then the whole thing went offline and someone on-site had to hard reset it)

Katherine Villyard

@HopelessN00b I don't know, I've seen some hinky self-answers.

10:57 PM

Also, it seems that IOS doesn't send the RADIUS Tunnel Type or any cisco-specific parameters (but the ASA does) so I can't figure out how to have different RADIUS policies for local device login versus AnyConnect authorisation

Michael Hampton

Yeah, I've posted some pretty horrible self-answers...

@HopelessN00b - Yeah. Probably.

Whatever happened to Commuity Wiki questions?

Katherine Villyard

Q: How do I turn on my computer? A: Check to make sure you don't have a blown fuse. Alternately, you can poke it with a stick while blindfolded in hopes of hitting the right button.

@kce They were hopelessly mis-used and made a moderator function

@MarkHenderson nice

11:00 PM

@MDMarra Have I mentioned that my current employer clears a billion in annual revenue, and until 2 years ago were exactly as janky as Ed's produce clients, only on a national scale? For that matter, we're a national company with a couple dozen sites in the country, hundreds of servers, dozens of networks, and - 1 sysadmin, 1 network admin and 1 desktop deployment engineer (SCCM-bitch).

Katherine Villyard

@HopelessN00b 0.0

You beat the joint I'm trying to lure my friends away from. ;)

But there are 6 IT managers! ... so at least we're well managed, or something.

Katherine Villyard

~facepalm~

(I need a new symbol for actions.)

Joint I'm trying to lure my friends away from is academic institution with mid-five-figure students and... three sysadmins for probably 150 servers.

User: My computer's been acting funny for a while. And now my email is frozen. What's wrong with it?
Me: I don't know, sounds like dirty power. Is your computer getting dirty power?
User: I have no idea! How do I check?
Me: It's easiest to just clean it if it needs it or not - pull the plug out of the back and blow the dust out.

Katherine Villyard

:D

11:04 PM

It worked too. The boss was far less amused than the rest of us were.

Far, far, far, less amused. You might even say he was really pissed off about it.

Katherine Villyard

Silly man. ;)

My example was actually supposed to be a parody of a bad SF self-answer.

Which clearly needs to go to SuperUser instead. ;)

@KatherineVillyard You know, the boss said something similar. Well, it was two words... one of them started with "s".. and no emoticon, but he was emotive. So yeah, pretty similar.

Katherine Villyard

@HopelessN00b LOL!

I'm simultaneously laughing and facepalming.

("Facepalming" is indeed a word. That I just invented.)

@HopelessN00b Hey how did your expense claim go?

@MarkHenderson I dunno. I put it on the boss's desk. I bet I'll know sometime tomorrow, though.

And stay tuned for my sequel Workplace.SE question:

Is it wrong to push for a work-from-home policy by getting sick and reminding the executives in face-to-face meetings, that your contagious disease could be 15 miles away right now?

Katherine Villyard

11:18 PM

No!

Or, as the discussion went during [horrible failed project]:
Coworker 1: Where the hell is [consultant]?
Coworker 2: He has viral meningitis, so he'd better NOT come in!

...and come to think of it, I never did have a meet-and-greet with the executive staff when I was hired, pressing the palms, facing the faces, sharing hors-d'oeuvres, and so on. I'll ask about getting one in tomorrow, while my nose is still all runny.

Hey guys, I just architected a DNS architecture for a mult-million dollar client in 30 minutes. :|

I've been so busy it ain't even cool.

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies Pretty soon you'll be able to replace yourself with a very small PowerShell script.

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@RyanRies manly as fuck

user image

hahahahahahahaha

11:26 PM

@HopelessN00b Put a fucking lid on the bin at least

(Has that Sochi pic been posted here yet?)

Would be even better if the bin was mounted on the wall right about nose-level while sitting down.

Katherine Villyard

There's also no fishing in Sochi bathrooms. deadspin.com/…

@frei Fathead Battle Axe Porter or Green Flash Double Stout?

@ScottPack I've never even heard of the first one or had the second, but I have found Green Flash stuff to be consistently quite good.

11:33 PM

@KatherineVillyard If there's no fishing permitted in the toilets, then what are they keeping the pipes clear of toilet-paper for?!?!?

@Frei Good man. Stout it is!

@ScottPack Also, ratebeer gives Green Flash Double Stout a much better rating than fat heads

Katherine Villyard

@HopelessN00b Yeah, that seems like a bit of a logical gap there to me, too.

Just amazing. Seriously, what the hell were IOC guys smoking when they picked Sochi? I could host a better Olympics out of my apartment. For starters, I have 2 toilets that happily accept toilet paper. And for... well, nevermind, no need to list any other reasons.

Katherine Villyard

Yeah.

Michael Hampton

11:38 PM

Don't they pick the locations 10 years in advance?

The whole thing smells enterprisey to me.

I also don't ban gays or have any missing flooring... but those seem completely insignificant compared to not being able to use toilet paper in the toilets.

@frei I'll let you know. Sitting at a restaurant

@HopelessN00b I spent about 3 months wondering "What the hell does SOCHI stand for?"

@MichaelHampton Yeah. So if it's this bad now, imagine what it was in 1994. A deserted village with an outhouse?

Katherine Villyard

Yeah, I don't ban gays, I don't round up stray dogs, and I own my own home with two working toilets. They can hold the Olympics at my house! Well. Aside from the Atlanta = no winter weather for winter sports thing.

Or, you know. We could give medals for driving during our Snowpocalypse instead. ;)

Michael Hampton

11:41 PM

@KatherineVillyard Snowpocalypse? In Atlanta? What is that, about an inch?

Katherine Villyard

Two.

Michael Hampton

@KatherineVillyard Two? Haha. We laugh off two inches of snow here.

Katherine Villyard

Yes, but you own things like snow plows. ;)

@KatherineVillyard It's plenty wintery here. Not a lot of hill for skiing, mind you.. but I guess I could push snowboarders off the 4-story high roof... that would make for some mildly entertaining TV highlights.

Michael Hampton

@KatherineVillyard Oh yes, snow plows. Wonderful inventions.

Not much use for them in Atlanta though.

Katherine Villyard

11:42 PM

businessinsider.com/snow-wreaks-havoc-in-atlanta-2014-1

Forget the snowplows... not owning pants or other clothing suitable for sub-60 degree weather would strike me as the bigger issue.

@HopelessN00b that's a good point

Michael Hampton

@KatherineVillyard WTF. Those lanes look good to me, why is everyone stopped?

Katherine Villyard

Basically: two inches of snow combined with schools closing combined with everyone leaving to pick up their kids = epic traffic jams = cannot get salt trucks in = ice = 700+ accidents.

There was probably a wreck in front of all that.

@MichaelHampton Driver of the first car got his tongue frozen to the windshield trying to catch a snowflake, probly.

Michael Hampton

11:45 PM

@KatherineVillyard Oh, and remember people not having the slightest clue how to drive in bad weather.

Katherine Villyard

Yes.

I beat it home because my boss told me to leave early, and because I was headed away from the weather.

Michael Hampton

And bald tires...

I would like to remind my friends in Atlanta that speeds between 0 and 85 are allowed.

@KatherineVillyard Hehe, boss told us to go home early today too

Michael Hampton

We had a 10 inch storm yesterday. Most people went to work...

@MichaelHampton Is it one of those places with minimum speed limits on the freeways, though?

11:47 PM

I slid past my driveway, had to make a U-turn in the middle of the street to get back

@frei Wow yum

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b A lot of people seem to think "SPEED LIMIT" means minimum speed.

Katherine Villyard

@MichaelHampton You mean it doesn't?

In Atlanta, the recommended minimum speed on I-75 and I-85 are the highway numbers.

285 is recommended 85.

@MichaelHampton Yes, that's correct. It does. What are you saying?

Michael Hampton

@KatherineVillyard OK, so there was ice underneath? That's different. I wouldn't even be out in that crap.

Katherine Villyard

11:50 PM

Yeah, there was ice under all that.

Like, a big solid sheet.

We get that in the south. Sometimes really pretty glasslike ice storms where everything is just wrapped in a clear layer.

Michael Hampton

I think we get ice up here even less often than the South does.

Journeyman Geek

@HopelessN00b best bribes, naturally

Katherine Villyard

Also, this is fairly normal good weather traffic. youtube.com/watch?v=c6f5jQnhkM0 That didn't help.

@JourneymanGeek This is true... but I have trouble reconciling the idea of someone having enough money to pay bribes... but not enough money to buy toilets that are compatible with toilet paper. :/

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