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10:05 PM
@Chopper3 errrr he's actually right. CNAs will show up as an iSCSI hardware adapter or FC adapter if it's enabled. Data Center Ethernet isn't actually a protocol. Are you thinking about CEE (FCoCEE)?
 
I need a lawyer!
 
@ewwhite - just read your problem with microsoft blocked netblock
 
@MarkHenderson yep
 
I had a similar problem and could only get around it by using a smart-host
Mine was with Yahoo though, not microsoft, and they were notorious for not unblocking ranges
 
@MarkHenderson It's me trolling for teh rep pointz @Iain
 
10:07 PM
@ewwhite Ahaha good work
 
@MarkHenderson I've been smart hosting my client's mail for months because of this
until my vSphere cluster exploded in December...
at that point, I told the client to GTFO and make their ISP fix things.
3 weeks later, client can't send mail to their biggest clients, and I end up smart hosting them again.
 
@ewwhite @wesley runs an SMTP smart-host service for free if you have < certain volume
Uhhhhhh wrong user id
 
@MikeyB I really don't think so sorry, and DCE is very much a protocol, in fact I'm qualified in on Cisco Nexus kit for FCoE and we're one of the largest users of it
 
@MarkHenderson I have the same resources, too... but now I need to monetize it... make it painful
 
blah
 
10:10 PM
@Chopper3 It's a concept, yes, not a protocol.
 
"Yo client... you need to send mail? $300/mo."
 
@ewwhite that should be the new standard. if(email) { price += $300/mo; }
 
The more money I make, the more gets taken from me...
Back to my issue... I need a lawyer.
 
@ewwhite That's Taxes :-)
 
@ewwhite you rang ?
 
10:11 PM
my house is leaking from the top and bottom.
 
This is your email thing yes? Can you not just tell your customer "you need to sign up to messagelabs, go to this url"
 
@ewwhite What kind of lawyer? (not that I can help, but you've baited us now)
 
and it turns out that there may be some fraud on the seller's part.
 
Somebody tell this guy to fuck off?
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Q: Connection was refused by the other side 111

AliBZI am using scrapy to crawl some websites. I am running 26 jobs, each running 50 threads to crawl on a heavy machine. After 30 minutes or so, the scripts returns "connection was refused by the other side 111" when trying to use my proxies. The output of conntrack -C is around 4000. I can not find ...

 
@MikeyB, so I've got millions invested in a concept then right? Read this Cisco book, I have; www.amazon.com/Center-Networks-Fibre-Channel-Ethernet/dp/1435714245
 
10:13 PM
Can't @TomO'Connor one of the mods will tell me off.
Why not just tell him that tomtom is an expert on whatever problem he's having
 
FCoE, NFS, iSCSI, SANs.... all wack!! I'm testing something new that will totally keep me hot for awhile. @MikeyB @Chopper3
 
@RobM I promise I won't.
 
that'll make for an experience he won't soon forget
 
@Chopper3 Yeah, it's FCoCEE. Or FCoE according to Cisco.
 
@MikeyB Did I ask you to look at maxta.com ?
 
10:16 PM
I choked on the buzzwords:
"Maxta has developed a hypervisor agnostic, highly resilient, scalable, Software-Defined VM-centric storage platform."
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@MikeyB a NIC that can only handle regular ethernet is not a CNA, it has to handle Data Center bridging/Ethernet to be a CNA, anything else is just a hardware accelerated NIC
 
@Chopper3 Pretty sure that's what he wrote, it's just worded vaguely.
 
@MikeyB So let me send you something...
 
Word of warning, @MikeyB. That won't be a snake @ewwhite is wrestling with.
 
Features of Maxta MxSP
Hypervisor agnostic. Currently supports vSphere 5.0 U1 or higher. Hyper-V & KVM can be tested.
Supports any server hardware listed on the hypervisor hardware compatibility list
Combining Server-Side Caching using SSD with Server-Side Persistent Storage using HDD
Management of storage and compute integrated in single console
Support of consumer grade SSD
Consistency groups to provide consistent snapshots or clone of an application  spanning multiple virtual machines
VM-centric.
 
10:18 PM
 
@MikeyB So I'm reading: "thin provisioning, dedup, in-line compression, checksums, unlimited snapshots and clones, SSD tiering..."
What the heck does that sound like?
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@MikeyB he's saying the opposite, that the difference between a regular NIC and a CNA is hardware acceleration, when it's not
 
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@Chopper3 Yeah on re-reading his answer he makes it sound more like 'hardware acceleration' than 'additional functionality'.
 
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10:20 PM
@ewwhite ZFS doesn't really do SSD tiering per se does it?
 
@MikeyB Yep
 
real tiering? not just l2arc?
 
@JoelESalas Could have said "to the mutha-effin' S"
@pauska Arc -> L2Arc
 
Yes but that's not tiering?
 
10:21 PM
but still... I had a tech call with them today...
 
@ewwhite that's not real autotiering, that's a read cache.
 
and it's their own synchronous clustering filesystem on top of ZFS, best I can tell.
 
it's a cache, similar to FastCache.. it's not tiering
 
Remember, writes are accelerated... going to local hypervisor and on low-latency storage... and the ARC and L2ARC are read caches
 
@MikeyB hence my concern/ire
 
10:23 PM
what would make it "auto-tiering"?
 
Yes, ARC/L2ARC and ZIL are read and write caches
it doesn't make it tiering
@ewwhite auto tiering physically moves data up and down tiers according to usage
 
It doesn't need to be... if the data you need most is available from SSD or RAM, why would you need to move it?
 
You're not thinking big enough here
imagine a 100TB array
 
This is a VMware VSAN competitor... so VSAN, Nutanix, etc... are all trying to do the same thing.
 
STORAGE FIGHT! ... GO
 
10:25 PM
in terms of converged storage and compute
 
@Chopper3 I ninja edited you answer, I think it makes it more accessible. Also, CEE is the standard :D
 
@ewwhite I'm not saying it sucks
 
@pauska Then that would depend on the working set of data, no?
 
@ewwhite Yes, plus that tiered systems give you the choice to pin certain luns to certain tiers
 
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A: Connection was refused by the other side 111

Joel E SalasIf you're in communications with the services you're scraping, ask them to whitelist you. Many third party services will offer you an API key, for a fee. More likely than not, you're just stealing content in which case there isn't anything technical you can do, nor would I help you if there was.

 
10:26 PM
Like I would never ever want my LAB stuff to be moved up to the fastest tier
It's not like this is written in stone.. you're already seeing big players (Nimble) doing flash -> nl-sas and nothing more than that
flash will go down more and more in pricing and we'll start to see the flash ratio go up on those hybrid systems
even the lowest enterprise nimble shelf has 240GB of usable flash
 
I'm on the fence. I'm just doing all-flash as much as possible now.
 
@MikeyB oh and DCE does exist, it even has it's own wikipedia page, mind you so does god... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Center_Ethernet
 
because Nexenta never came up with a good HA solution
 
@ewwhite by all means, if the budget and ROI matches then why not..
My boss would laugh me directly in my face if I asked him for 20TB of flash, which is what we would need
 
it's just paying for the software at this point... I'll put it through some tests soon.
 
10:28 PM
and using flash storage for B2D etc... everything isn't so black and white
 
Mmmmm OK. "Data Center Ethernet (DCE) was a term trademarked by Brocade Communications Systems in 2007 but abandoned by request in 2008."
Either way, CEE is what we call this usage.
 
@pauska Weirdest thing is that my last employer was doing Violin Memory at that scale.
 
@TomO'Connor My god that guy's a dunce
 
@ewwhite I think we're done talking about that employer
 
@JoelESalas s/dunce/cunt/g
 
10:30 PM
we can all agree that they made some very stupid choices
 
@pauska well Violin became a big player. They stole two employees...
 
@pauska We're about to make a dumb choice :D
 
@JoelESalas which one?
 
@ewwhite have you seen the news about Violin?
 
@pauska uh oh... no?
 
10:31 PM
@ewwhite GlusterFS
 
sinking ship in my eyes.. the market wasn't ready for all-flash
@ewwhite stocks got cut in half by the IPO, head chefs booted and so on
@JoelESalas Just have a team of engineers ready to sort stuff out :)
 
@pauska And Wall Street wants us to believe we're not in another IT bubble
 
@JoelESalas And this bit of news happened today... chicagobusiness.com/article/20140112/BLOGS11/…
 
@MarkHenderson :)
 
@ewwhite Reading
Oh boy, that would've been quite a land mine
 
10:34 PM
@pauska I don't know what to believe or focus on anymore.
Seriously, the only thing that's been stable in my career is shipping apples and bananas.
 
@ewwhite I think you're on the right track.. not going all apeshit with the $$$
 
Trading... cool technology, and it all fell apart.
 
I think we're headed for a dark, dark age in IT with limited budgets
 
Cloud... cool technology... and VMware killed us
 
10:36 PM
I want to learn more Microsoft... just got client to buy Datacenter Edition to do my first 2012 R2 installs.
(with @MDMarra's permission)
 
learning is doing when it comes to Microsoft
technet is a great resource
and learn powershell from the beginning since you're new
it'll pay off
 
Well, I need to stand-up three Windows domains and Exchange environments in the next month
The only powershell I've done is Vmware or Exchange-related. Limited.
 
everything you can click on in Exchange is done by PowerShell in the background
same goes for anything AD related
and Lync to a degree
 
@pauska right, so when I need to repeat it, I have a script. It's nice. Linux should do that :)
oh wait...
 
No, the opposite
you should do the initial installs with powershell
then you have a script to just swoop in at the next client
 
10:39 PM
@pauska Oh god no
Have you seen how complex some of those Exchange commands are?
 
set up a lab on your overpowered personal datacenter and get cracking
 
If they forced you to install that way nobody would ever get Exchange installed
 
@MarkHenderson are you serious.....
 
I much much prefer to do it by GUI first, copy the resulting PS, inspect it, and then give that a go
 
oh haha
not the installer mate
I'm talking about all the stuff you do after it
 
10:40 PM
@pauska Took a page out of smit's book did they?
 
Honestly I mostly only use the Exchange shell for troubleshooting
 
@MikeyB AIX4lyfe!
 
Things like creating/monitoring/preparing move requests
 
@MarkHenderson have you seen exchange 2013?
 
Everything else is ECP
@pauska I have
 
10:41 PM
the ECP is horrible
 
I have one small 2013 install
 
I hate it so much
 
I prefer the ECP over the old console
 
well the old console was uberslow
 
Doesn't sit there for 10 minutes trying to expand the fucking organisation node
 
10:41 PM
still.. I rather do stuff in powershell
especially doing configs in paralell across 3 servers
 
The ECP was useless at moving mailboxes cross-forest. Gave generic, useless error messages. The EMS was much better at giving me useful error messages
 
and up to 2013 there wasn't a real alternative to powershell to configure stuff like rpc-over-http, outlookanywhere etc
 
@JoelESalas Now he's flagged his own question asking for it to be deleted. What a tool.
 
Gave you a high level summary of running migrations, but just gave you a single "stalled" timer, with no way of determining why it was stalled
 
yeah paused batch migrations is the bomb when it comes to migrating
 
10:43 PM
So I got deep into the EMS while migrating, but since then mostly all been ECP
 
I tried to do a 2010 -> 2013 but quickly realized that I should wait for more bugfixes
 
I am going to add Lync UM into that install once the budget comes through
 
@MikeyB Still around?
 
@ewwhite yah
 
Just, for the record guys, not everyone who is screen scraping is doing a bad/wrong/immoral/illegal thing
 
10:48 PM
@MikeyB Remember my weirdo ZFS+XFS virtual memory subsystem hack?
 
@ewwhite oh, putting xfs on zdev so it'd cache, yeah
 
Try to keep your moral judgements to yourselves in grey areas like this
 
@MikeyB What would you call it? Really broken? Tacky? Necessary evil? Creative?
 
@MarkHenderson The question, as first asked sounds DODGY AS FUCK
 
which question?
 
10:49 PM
And to be fair, most of the people who ask questions here, are wankers.
 
@ewwhite Creative Evil. :)
 
@TomO'Connor Maybe, maybe not. It's not our place to say and honestly, if the guy is telling the truth that he's in contact with the other party, then big fucking whoop, not our problem
(also, I suspect that the other party are of course lying to him about being rate limited)
 
@MikeyB I'm wondering it it sounds enough like a secret sauce to be deemed a proprietary competitive advantage.
 
@ewwhite Hells yeah.
 
10:51 PM
@MarkHenderson Part of the thing about asking good questions is not leaving out details on why and what you want to achieve
 
because I do that on my systems, but my competition doesn't... instead, they load servers up with RAM only to be filled by the dumb filesystem cache.
 
otherwise, it makes you sound like a scoundrel.
 
@MichaelHampton I have a (broken) iPhone 4S right now
Also, one less bill to pay :)
 
@ewwhite I'm wondering how zfs on a zfs vdev performs... (zfs inside a VM, zfs outside the VM)...
 
And you know he's just going to come back and ask another ass question.
 
10:52 PM
@MikeyB I have that, too
works fine... e.g. Nexenta using default compression on the SAN...
but with Linux VMs with ZFSon Linux running on top
over 10GbE NFS
 
Rejigging my home VM server, have 2x200GB SSDs, setting up soft mirror for boot, crypto, then zfs root on crypto devices, then using zdev from the SSDs for the cache for the shitty 1TB drives in the data zpool... too many cards?
 
@TomO'Connor That's a good word, scoundrel
 
Hmmm
User 'Administrator' in your existing directory has SID S-1-5-21-2070472328-935435760-1634736958-1000, expected it to be S-1-5-21-2070472328-935435760-1634736958-500
 
I don't think Mark is jaded enough yet.
 
@MikeyB Oh boy! Settle in, it's gonna be a long day
 
10:55 PM
@MikeyB -500 is the normal Administrator number
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, this is an ancient samba3-on-ldap I'm test upgrading to samba4-ad
so cruft. much pain.
 
@MikeyB eww
 
Actually it's been fine to this point. <sam>Oh boy…</sam>
 
I really don't understand the point to Samba AD
If you have Windows machines to auth with, use a proper AD DC. If you don't, then why bother with AD?
 
@MarkHenderson The Linux tools for managing directories suck giant donkey balls, for one (phpldapadmin). And ideally we want a directory of some sort. If you put in AD on Windows, then you need to put in two for redundancy. Two Windows Server licenses just for a directory when that may be the ONLY Windows servers in the company - THAT makes no sense.
 
11:06 PM
@MarkHenderson Sometimes your budget really is that bad.
 
@MikeyB Sure. But then the real question is - why is there no decent Linux-centric alternative
 
At one time, Samba was easier to understand than Windows licensing.
That might still be true, come to think of it.
 
@MichaelHampton Maybe, winbind still confuses me.
@MikeyB It's weird that I manage our directory with the openldap clients, isn't it?
 
11:21 PM
@84104 naw, but it's certainly got a learning curve.
@84104 You have to be a special sort of person to be able to whip out the LDIF modify syntax without a second though. :)
(yeah, it's actually pretty easy I know)
 
11:35 PM
Holy shit, Origin are still charging $70 for Sim City
wtf is wrong with them? If that shit were on Steam it'd be $10 by now
 
@MarkHenderson maybe it's Mr. GNU doing his weekly web browsing..
 
@MichaelHampton this is an Intranet app, and wampserver is just a very good way to run FOSS on Windows machines... — Kendor 4 mins ago
WAMP is great for intranet apps? WTF?
 
11:52 PM
@MichaelHampton Well yeah. It has every mod enabled by default. Plug and play. Nothing can go wrong
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