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12:00 AM
@MichaelHampton Mac is such a nice compromise
 
Send that pic to those admins and watch their responses carefully.
 
@MichaelHampton though I dare say its the same of folks who don't trust open source software, or are dogmatic over their software choices.
 
You'd think you libertarian types would love Microsoft for their free-market exploiting capitalism.
 
(I personally think the pragmatic sysadmin uses what he knows, and learns what he needs to, and dosen't ;p)
 
I keep up with Windows just so I can criticize it with more authority. :)
 
12:02 AM
@ewwhite: yes and no. I'd rather be running a linux based OS over a mac for the simple reason that I have more flexibility over hardware
(and I run windows now, cause school is all windows)
I suppose that having a limited set of very well integrated hardware is probably attractive to a certain set of people...
@MDMarra: naw, cause a lot of them are also anti-corporatist hippies.
 
 
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1:36 AM
But Mac hardware is really nice!
 
@MDMarra good lad!
 
@MichaelHampton Seems appropriate to me.
@JourneymanGeek I really don't think you want to be running a DC with a handful of servers from 20 or 30 different models and manufacturers.
I have 3-4 generations of hardware and it's frequently a PITA.
 
2:16 AM
 
2:31 AM
 
I didn't think they used anything but Cheez Whiz in Philly.
 
2:44 AM
Oops... I made this RHEL LXC container so minimal it doesn't even have subscripton-manager installed!
 
Anonymous
good evenight
 
Anonymous
how is everyone doing?
 
3:13 AM
 
Anonymous
lol
 
Hey @pauska!
 
haha
 
@Magellan you don't want to run a DC on a mac either
I mean for a personal system. If you're running a large deployment its a very different story
 
@pauska Thought you might appreciate that one.
@JourneymanGeek Well, I guess personal stuff isn't OT in here. I just don't think in terms of personal PCs anymore. I've bought exactly 2 computers in the last 8 years.
 
3:47 AM
@Magellan: I'm a hardware enthusiast first. I mean, a laptop is fine for work, but there's so much more I can do with a proper, well set up desktop
and even with those, until very recently, I wouldn't have been happy with anything other than a thinkpad
 
@JourneymanGeek I've seen so many generations of hardware pass by that I simply could not any care less about hardware in and of itself. And in a DevOps world, hardware is meaningless because it's all offering the same identical virtual management layer if it's being done right.
 
@Magellan: In my case, for a system I work at (as opposed to a system I work on), I find desktops somewhat more maintainable. I do end up using it to game, virtualisation and such.
I guess that there's farm animals, there's pets, and what I really need is a really smart mutt ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Desktops/Laptops are fungible.
 
practically, these days, hardware is meaningless
 
@JourneymanGeek I don't want to know what you do with farm animals.
 
3:59 AM
@Magellan: well, in my environment things tend to... run longer than they should
I have a XP system I need to maintain for an indefinate period of time ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek I SAID that I don't want to know what you do with farm animals.
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Very NSFW. Maybe not safe for Singapore.
 
4:01 AM
or sanity
(and lol. I was meaning it terms of bunches of identical systems vs specialised systems vs systems built to meet one person's needs specifically)
and thats fucked up
no pun intended
 
@JourneymanGeek Unless the need cannot be met out of existing models, it's highly inefficient to go one-off.
 
@Magellan: for forensics? Thats VERY often the case
in my case, I needed one system that could do everything, and it was a one off
 
@JourneymanGeek Edge case that doesn't apply to most mainstream businesses.
 
@Magellan: I think we're talking very different contexts here
 
 
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5:35 AM
What the ever loving FUCK is NetworkManager doing in a "minimal" install?
 
5:50 AM
@MichaelHampton Heh. Amen to that. Getting sick of seeing that festering steaming pile of crap on every new install by default.
 
If you love NetworkManager, you're really going to love FirewallD.
Yes, my server needs 15 different firewall zones out of the box...
 
block dmz drop external home internal public trusted work
Oh, no, only nine zones
 
oh...
on one hand, this seems cool. On the other... seems to be overcomplicating things for folk who arn't running a desktop ;p
 
6:26 AM
@MichaelHampton Isn't that what Cisco gear is for?
Gonna have to remember that one for when the next time somebody pops in wanting help with a question they posted in main 11 seconds before
 
 
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8:04 AM
And it only took three attempts to get OpenStack up and running.
 
 
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9:24 AM
g'morning
 
9:58 AM
that spells trouble
so far one crap answer
 
I already downvoted their answer
 
10:54 AM
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A: How can I diff two Redhat Linux servers?

user203380Check out ScriptRock.com I think the product is called guardrail. It does a full diff of Users, Groups, Services, Ports, Files and more between servers. You can also schedule scans to get reports on what changed day to day or at intervals.

spam - link in user's bio is a blog that says he created the product.
 
11:18 AM
github.com/Katee/quietnet came across this.... I'm curious, but I'm afraid my speakers suck ;p
 
 
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2:32 PM
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Q: Why 192.168.0.0 cannot be assigned to device?

scdmb192.168.0.0 can be an address of network and it cannot be assigned to any device in local network. But why? Couldn't router using mask (like 255.255.0.0) figure out what is the network address anyway?

 
"Use the other 255 addresses in the range, you damned hippie" would almost be a valid answer for that.
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@JourneymanGeek Surely it can, but only in a /23
 
@JourneymanGeek ignore me it's Sunday afternoon ;)
 
@Iain yeah, it is, but most sane people subnet it down
 
@Iain: I just tend remember that the value of each octect is between 1 - 255, with 0 referring to the whole range
sadly most of my networking stuff is home-grade, plug and pray
 
2:39 PM
Is the lowest address in a network is the network address mandated in an RFC ?
 
I had a Conexant ADSL router that came preconfigured to use 10.0.0.0/8, and if you tried to change it, it crashed hard.
 
@TomO'Connor you have BT infinity at home don't you ?
 
@Iain Yup.
And I'm spending the day hammering it downloading vmware appliances.
 
@TomO'Connor how does it come into the house and conect to the modem ?
 
@Iain Comes in over POTS, plugs into a VDSL modem
then ethernet between that and the Homehub3
I'm probably going to replace the HH3 with a Cisco 887vaw
 
2:59 PM
@TomO'Connor I'm just about to embark on some decorating and I'm trying to figure out how I'll have to route cables when I get infinity at the end of March
 
3:43 PM
Best bet is to leave their VDSL to Ethernet adapter where it is, then go ethernet from there
I suppose if it's a long run you could get a fibre media converter.
 
4:03 PM
you need longer than 100 meters of cable?
big house
 
Anonymous
4:15 PM
net people, what did the OSI acronym mean?
 
4:55 PM
Open Systems Interconnection Basic Reference Model
OSI BRM
 
And here I thought it was International Organization of Standards. Damn dirty French.
 
That's IOC. They're doing something in Russia right now...
 
Anonymous
lol
 
Probably wrestling bears.
 
5:47 PM
I need a hobby.
 
Anonymous
@mossy like what?
 
Anyone able to tell me off the top of their head why a switch would cause all ethernet ports to stop working?
i.e: when it's plugged in, router ports etc all resolve to 169.254.xx
 
Well the type of switch is important.. Is it managed or unmanaged?
 
It's unmanaged.
 
Sounds faulty and i would buy a new. But I'm lazy
 
5:57 PM
I figured that's the case.
But I don't really see switches fail often.
 
@PatoSáinz I don't know, that's the problem.
@VaughanHilts you've tried to replace the switch with a working one right?
 
@mossy Nope, everything was closed yesterday and stuffs opening now.
I think I might make a trip into town and try now, I was wresting for hours last night. ;)
I ruled it as unlikely considering it's only 4 months old
 
DHCP?
 
But I guess if everything else is the same...
It's just a switch, so the router should handle DHCP, right?
 
yes.
 
6:00 PM
A switch shouldn't be serving it's own DHCP
 
But what I'm saying is it could more than the switch.. Unless you connected directly to the router and it works.
 
I've connected myself directly to the router and it works.
But even if I'm directly connected to the modem and then say plug the switch, BUT my PC is STILL connected to the switch
And then say another PC is connected to the ROUTER
 
Anonymous
@mossy photography, building shit with rasp pis
 
NEITHER device works
 
@PatoSáinz Had to Google Rasp Pis. Thought it was some arts and crafts activity.
 
Anonymous
6:08 PM
lol
 
Anonymous
you didn't know what a raspberry pi is?
 
I know what a raspberry pi is. I just said "Rasp Pis" out loud.. and yeah.
 
Anonymous
lol
 
Time to go buy myself a switch and hopefully things just work out~
 
a faulty switch can corrupt the arp tables on every network device connected to it
remove the switch from the setup, reboot the router and connect a PC directly to it - do you get a DHCP lease then?
 
6:17 PM
Yeah, I do.
That's why I think the switch might be faulty.
Where as if the switch is plugged in, nobody can connect.
It's okay to have devices connected the router AND switch, right?
 
yes
 
Must be a really slow day here today.
 
are you sure that you don't have a loop?
there's only a single port going from the router to the switch?
 
Indeed, positive.
It was working perfectly fine @pauska and then it just stopped working when I got home
 
Yeah, I'd replace the switch
 
6:19 PM
Was running fine for 4 months~
Then just.. dead.
Since no configurations, wires etc were changed and I get a DHCP lease out of the modem, I've concured a dead switch.
 
 
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7:56 PM
New switch fixed everything. :)
 
8:09 PM
Finally finished the work on the attic that I started 4.5 years ago
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I bet that's quicker than @wesley getting a bike :)
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@VaughanHilts nice
 
8:46 PM
eh, the comms room is a love hotline now?
Who's doing who?
@MichaelHampton mv is not DevOps enough!
 
Fuck DevOps.
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@VaughanHilts For future reference, though I don't have stats to back it up, I'd expect a 4-month-old switch to be more failure-prone than one that's 4 years old and has never had an issue.
 
9:09 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker This gives me hope for my office renovation which got to the stage where I could work in there, but no further. Still missing cornices, paint on the roof, doors on the cupboard, a whole cupboard in one place, power points in the walls and network wiring
Oh and the desk top is propped up and falls over of you bump it too hard
 
Currently experimenting with Cisco's range of virtual appliances for routing and firewalling. They're surprisingly resource hungry.
 
@TomO'Connor Which devices?
 
@TomO'Connor Their IOS On Unix line?
I've heard that they're a bit slow and hungry because most of Cisco's normal routing/firewalling is done in custom ASICs versus software
 
Anybody played with Azure at all? Almost posted a question on main but I don't think I've got enough details.
I've got a website running in shared mode that goes down for under a minute every day between 4:00 and 5:30, it's starting to piss me off. The site hardly does a thing, and 99% of the traffic to it is from New Relic pinging it.
Wondering if it's expected to have two instances running to get the 99.9% uptime...
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah. The CSR1000V currently. Not Impressed At ALL.
 
9:17 PM
@TomO'Connor That's on par with everything I've heard about them so far
I'm not entirely sure what market they're trying to fulfil
There are loads of software routers/firewalls out there already
And some of them quite good
 
@MarkHenderson I'm quite looking forward to testing the virtual ASA
 
yawn
 
which ought to be better, as that's always been based on NetBSD.
 
@MarkHenderson is that a thing for real now? I thought it was just a training tool.
 
@FalconMomot There's GNS3 which will run an IOS image, but sucks for routing
These are actually supported by cisco..
But still blow.
 
9:28 PM
@FalconMomot Not entirely sure what it's end goal is
But it's a real thing
@TomO'Connor Interesting
I knew in the past people would build Franken-PIX
 
A lot of people I know use it for studying but I haven't heard of any way to actually get it to handle real traffic.
and, for some time, it was only used to back cisco's online labs I think
 
@FalconMomot can be done with the NIO interfaces.
 
though of course it got leaked
aah
 
9:43 PM
There are still people who think that software-based firewalls are bad though
apart from relying solely on VM security for network security (which is technically off topic)... don't tell publically where this contraption works, security by obscurity might actually help you maintaining this illusion of security. — knitti Nov 11 '10 at 22:45
Oh my... can you imagine someone releasing an ad like this today?
 
10:03 PM
What the fuck... techshoppingand.info
 
...just trolling AskUbuntu.com and causing ruckus...
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Q: HP proliant ML370 G4 server

user231768I have an old HP Proliant ML370 G4 server. I tried to install ubuntu (MythBuntu) from USB stick, and after installatin started and logo of Mythbuntu shows up, I got an error Ubuntu 12.04 .... 37.190396 floppy: 0 invalid for paramater allowed_drive_mask Does anyone have and idea how to solve thi...

WTF is Mythbuntu?!?
 
hahaha
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Q: HP Proliant DL380 G4 to run pfSense

Gregoire Le GrosI am considering buying ( $100 approx) one of these older servers solely to run pfSense. is there any reason not to ?

Cos Ubuntu and BSD are totally the same
 
@ewwhite Media centre distro
 
> Mythbuntu is an official Ubuntu flavor focused upon setting up a standalone MythTV based PVR system
 
meh...
 
10:13 PM
You just said that it can't do virtualisation (which is correct; well, you can but you can only run 32-bit guest OS's), but then recommend running ESXi on it?! — Mark Henderson 6 secs ago
 
10:31 PM
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A: GEOS is was not found for Drupal 7

Falcon MomotYou should just do what it says! It is very easy. Unfortunately for you, you're using Windows, and GEOS doesn't appear to be incredibly well-supported. However, you should check out their site at http://trac.osgeo.org/geos/. If you did that, you might notice that OSGeo4W packages GEOS for win...

 
Yay, I completely broke OpenStack!
 
@FalconMomot what do you want us to do to that ?
 
Anonymous
@MichaelHampton how
 
@PatoSáinz By rebooting it, apparently.
 
@Iain nah, I thought my mockery of him was funny.
 
10:32 PM
@MichaelHampton See!!
 
@FalconMomot so you don't want everyone to rush off and up vote it then ?
 
Jan 12 22:32:51 openstack.example.com nova-compute[1426]: 2014-01-12 22:32:51.027 1426 ERROR nova.openstack.common.rpc.impl_qpid [req-75ac7c8a-4eaa-4c72-b41a-16ca204436ed None None] Unable to connect to AMQP server: [Errno 111] ECONNREFUSED. Sleeping 60 seconds
Oops!
Jan 12 22:34:23 openstack.example.com qpidd[1623]: 2014-01-12 22:34:23 [Broker] critical Unexpected error: Can't create directory: /var/run/qpidd/.qpidd
 
@Iain no need at all, no. I have lots of rep already.
 
sure ;)
 
@ewwhite Even you could figure this out!
 
10:41 PM
@Iain I've posted lots of answers I haven't pointed out in here :P
but I'm sure the reason it annoys you those rare times I do is that you already have my feed in your RSS reader and so it's redundant :P
 
@MichaelHampton hmmm, amqp and qpid... bad memories.
 
I live within walking distance of an ingress portal in seattle right now!
if only I had a couch portal...
 
@FalconMomot No I dislike people using this channel for the purpose of rep whoring - you should speak to Ed about that too
 
@Iain Get over it.
 
@ewwhite why ?
everyone who hangs out here eventually realises it can be used to rep whore - some people even make an artform of it
 
Anonymous
10:46 PM
@MichaelHampton i think i just found the way to get more rep like you told me ^
 
@PatoSáinz Write good answers? Write good questions?
 
Anonymous
@MichaelHampton writing aparently good questions and rep whoring in the chat
 
@PatoSáinz that's @MichaelHampton's secret. I write good canonical questions occasionally to get that effect :P
I don't get a lot of rep for things I put in here... I just put them here because I think people might enjoy looking at them for some reason. Comments too.
and honestly I don't mind when people post their questions and answers, as long as they are interesting.
 
I only post stuff that should be downvoted into oblivion. Well, some of the time.
 
oh, @Iain, having just been through the close queueueueueueueueue, I think you might have been serendipitously right about this eternal weekend thing.
 
10:51 PM
@FalconMomot so mocking people is interesting eh :(
 
or, alternatively, it's just because it's sunday that the queue is foul.
@Iain Yes! you are a sysadmin, right?
well, maybe not interesting, but mocking n00bs is funny.
 
@FalconMomot I haven't looked at the close queue for months but I guess I cause a fair proportion of it
 
@Iain the people asking stupid, idiotic questions are the cause. you are merely a frequent facilitator.
 
that's a better way of putting it
 
:P
I can't see too much difference between the close queue and the front page, of course
 
10:55 PM
The main difference is hat the front page doesn't (yet) have audits
 
ugh, I got the worst close review audit today (and failed it)
some question about how glue records work, which I wanted to close as a dupe, but the answer was leave open
 
Audits are a waste of good reviewers time
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I've run in to a few audits that needed a close vote, but knowing it was an audit I hit skip then went back and VTC'd... Broken system.
 
@Iain for my revenge, I've gone back and voted to close it as a dupe of the canonical it duplicates.
 
11:24 PM
@FalconMomot GEOS? That's for C64.
@MarkHenderson The real win is SDN and putting a virtual fw/router on each hypervisor
 
11:46 PM
Wait, who authors audit Qs?
facebook.com/sheer.panic/posts/10201847850892615?stream_ref=1 <-- anyone ever had an ISP try to hold customer equipment hostage?
 
@Skyhawk Yes
GlobalSwitch here would not let us remove more than 2 servers at any given time or they threatened to call the police
Which turned a 1-night bump into a week-long ordeal
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Q: Security restricting movement of servers

Mark HendersonWe've got 20 servers that we need to remove from a datacentre that we haven't physically visited in about 5 years (I've never been there, it was from before my time). We've had to go through complete re-induction, security checks and had to re-apply for all our security passes again because it's ...

 
@MarkHenderson Even when they had notice that you were coming and you surely had documentation proving ownership?
 
@Skyhawk Yep
 
@MarkHenderson Unless they could point to something in my copy of the contract authorizing them to do that, if they threatened to call the police on me, I would have called them myself.
 
Hahaha, that's hilarious. I've dealt with GS too, and was thinking "damn that sounds like something GS would do". I didn't check your profile to see that yes, the chances are you're dealing with GS... They're muppets. Plain and simple. It's easy, though -- just take them all out via the loading dock in one hit. They'll never know the difference. — womble Jul 4 '11 at 23:46
 
11:53 PM
Dang.
 

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